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Originally Posted by taper

Far too many here want to repeat that mistake. Ironic that some of the same were very vocal about what a stupid move that was for UND.

Before anyone drags out that old trope, the problem wasn't distance, it was going alone. We go with SDSU or even better all 4 Dakotas and we're a solid block for any conference.

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Not trying to be hostile, in any way, but who would pay for that? Given the small size and subsequent limited financial resources of the Dakotas, who covers the UXDs?

It's like suggesting Wyoming have two FBS schools

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

Not trying to be hostile, in any way, but who would pay for that? Given the small size and subsequent limited financial resources of the Dakotas, who covers the UXDs?

It's like suggesting Wyoming have two FBS schools

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So far nobody wants to pay for us, so no idea. The wants of schools and conferences are often at odds. That post was more aimed at how history has shown the Dakotas are strongest with all 4.

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Originally Posted by taper

So far nobody wants to pay for us, so no idea. The wants of schools and conferences are often at odds. That post was more aimed at how history has shown the Dakotas are strongest with all 4.

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According to 92, this isn't true. Also, if NDSU got the same subsidies UND does, I think they'd be fine, no?

I also don't buy the history bit. Seems you have some kind of an affinity for UND, tbh. I have none, fwiw, which I'm sure comes as no surprise to you

Here's my take. It will be costly to be FBS and be competitive. Why would the Dakotas shoot themselves in the foot right out of the gate by doubling that cost?

I'm sorry, but it simply isn't feasible for both NDSU and UND to go FBS, and given demographic trends we are looking at (and the structure of ND higher ed) I don't ever see that changing

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Originally Posted by taper

So far nobody wants to pay for us, so no idea. The wants of schools and conferences are often at odds. That post was more aimed at how history has shown the Dakotas are strongest with all 4.

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What history is there to point to where all 4 aren't together? From 2003 to 2018? I would say that NDSU and SDSU did very well in that stretch. I agree that SDSU being willing and capable to move with us would be of benefit. However, I just don't by the notion that we have to keep all four Dakotas together.

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

According to 92, this isn't true. Also, if NDSU got the same subsidies UND does, I think they'd be fine, no?

I also don't buy the history bit. Seems you have some kind of an affinity for UND, tbh. I have none, fwiw, which I'm sure comes as no surprise to you

Here's my take. It will be costly to be FBS and be competitive. Why would the Dakotas shoot themselves in the foot right out of the gate by doubling that cost?

I'm sorry, but it simply isn't feasible for both NDSU and UND to go FBS, and given demographic trends we are looking at (and the structure of ND higher ed) I don't ever see that changing

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Conceptually, I like the idea of all four, but you are likely right on it not being feasible for the Dakotas.

Recent G5 financial disclosures seem to show that almost all G5 schools get heavy subsidies thru student fees and/or state/institutional support. I was a bit surprised how heavily subsidized the AAC and MWC schools are, given they are the strongest of the G5 conferences, and have decent media deals. There are big costs, especially if you want to compete at the top of G5.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Conceptually, I like the idea of all four, but you are likely right on it not being feasible for the Dakotas.

Recent G5 financial disclosures seem to show that almost all G5 schools get heavy subsidies thru student fees and/or state/institutional support. I was a bit surprised how heavily subsidized the AAC and MWC schools are, given they are the strongest of the G5 conferences, and have decent media deals. There are big costs, especially if you want to compete at the top of G5.

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Only the top of the top of P5 (the P2?) make a go of it without institutional or government support or student fees. See: UT-Austin for example. There are maybe a couple dozen like that in the country from some things I've read.

I wonder if it’s any coincidence that every single poster in this thread who says NDSU can’t go FBS because of money, also says that NDSU and UND are a package deal and need each other. And meanwhile also mentions no concern about UND’s athletic budget.

Hmmm

Maybe you are a package deal in the new Gutted MW folks here are hoping for. I think in this speculative scenario you would have 4 remaining MW schools. NV, USU, Wyoming and SJSU.

Limiting your yourself to just the 4 you are wanting would mean only 8 schools total. I don't how the logistics of that would work. Unless all 8 were all sports, the logistics would not work.

So I think you need to find 8 FCS schools. That way Nevada and SJSU could just be football only. That cuts out the worst travel for you guys..With no tv deal Nevada would have no interest in housing their olympic sports in your Central Time, FCS centric conference. Nevada basketball is valuable and would be fine in the WCC or even the Big West. Utah State as well.



So who would you see as the other 4 FCS schools to add..?

This thread has a bad habit at looking solely at football. We're an educational institution with many more aspects to consider. I'm on record believing that Johnson v NCAA will make athletes paid employees in the not too distant future. That's going to be a massive NCAA shakeup that not all programs will survive. I think the 4 Dakotas make it if we stick together, and in the ensuing chaos a block of 4 schools that will never leave each other is a solid foundation of a conference.
If I'm wrong about Johnson then maybe I'm wrong about what follows, but I'm pretty sure it'll happen. Don't think I like the death of amateur athletics but it's going to happen.