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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
Professor Chaos
I've heard there are donors who will find a new way to spend their money if NDSU joins CUSA as well. I don't know what the mix is but it's a lose/lose situation either way.
Right, because who is it all about again?
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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El_Chapo
The Conference Commissioners and Notre Dame’s Athletic Director are scheduled to meet Wednesday to discuss the Expansion of the playoffs.
The Alliance or ACC, B1G 10, & PAC 12 are going to push for A 8 team playoff with the Conference champions getting automatic bids. I think that it is stupid to have automatic bids for conference champions because you could have A #25 ranked Oregon getting in over several one loss teams last season.
The other Conferences including The SEC, Big 12, Notre Dame, & the Group of 5 conferences are all for the 12 team playoff system that was proposed earlier this year. The 6 Top ranked conference champions would get Automatic bids and the other 6 spots would be selected by a committee.
The proposed 12 team playoff system has the Top 4 teams getting 1sr round byes. The other teams without byes would see the higher seeed teams getting a home playoff game. I would think the 4 teams getting the 1st round byes would want home playoff games as well.
A representative for 43 bowl games wants the bowl games to be used for the playoffs. Notre Dame has made an offer that they cannot be seeded any higher than 5th, even if they are undefeated and ranked 1st in the polls. This is to offset the lack of a conference championship game.
Which would you rather see? I am totally against the 8 team playoff system and automatic bids for conference champions. Now the 12 team playoff system has a better plan and if the PAC 12 cannot get a team into the playoffs that is their fault. The Former PAC 12 commissioner made a statement about the 12 team playoff system “ It just means 4 or 5 SEC teams will get into the playoffs”.
Look at the current teams and use both the 8 and 12 team playoff system and see which teams would get in.
PAC12 has small-man syndrome. SEC has all the power and late time TV slots are tough. But they'll get over it
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
Professor Chaos
I've heard there are donors who will find a new way to spend their money if NDSU joins CUSA as well. I don't know what the mix is but it's a lose/lose situation either way.
And I'm sure there are donors that are going to find a new way to spend their money if NDSU doesn't get something done with FBS even if it means joining CUSA.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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WhoRepsTheLurker
PAC12 has small-man syndrome. SEC has all the power and late time TV slots are tough. But they'll get over it
Yea its funny watching Notre Dame/Pac 12 hold on
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
NDSU1980
And I'm sure there are donors that are going to find a new way to spend their money if NDSU doesn't get something done with FBS even if it means joining CUSA.
Exactly... impossible to make everyone happy.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Professor Chaos
Exactly... impossible to make everyone happy.
yea but listen.
if NDSU goes up, we won't LOSE fans
but if we stay with status quo WE ALREADY ARE LOSING FANS!!
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
Luke Fickell was told at his radio show about Gary Barta’s comments that Cincinnati hasn’t beat anyone besides Notre Dame. Fickell’s response?
“Who’s the chairman? Did he play football?” #Bearcats
HAHA NDSU QB dumbasses!!
which reminds me. with Gary Barta/Gene Taylor on that committee, the AAC should invite NDSU this week and then Gary/Gene will put Cinci up to #2 or #3 that's a WIN WIN!!
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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nodak651
Anyone agree with me yet?
Except leave out UND
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
Jax St Sam Liberty NMSU to CUSA
wow
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
Professor Chaos
I've heard there are donors who will find a new way to spend their money if NDSU joins CUSA as well. I don't know what the mix is but it's a lose/lose situation either way.
There are Karens everywhere.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
Wow is right. Here is the list of who's moved up in the last decade.
App
GaSo
Old Dominion
Coastal
Liberty
JMU
Jax State
SHSU
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SDSU fans seem to be against moving up which is fine. There is only so much FBS talent in MN and WI so this works. Hopefully Mo State and ISU red are ready to pull the trigger.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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AKBison
Wow is right. Here is the list of who's moved up in the last decade.
App
GaSo
Coastal
Liberty
JMU
Jax State
SHSU
All very nicely located.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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AKBison
Wow is right. Here is the list of who's moved up in the last decade.
App
GaSo
Coastal
Liberty
JMU
Jax State
SHSU
All south of Mason-Dixon line ...
Those of us north and west of where the Missouri meets the Mississippi have a geography problem.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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The_Sicatoka
All south of Mason-Dixon line ...
Those of us north and west of where the Missouri meets the Mississippi have a geography problem.
Wellllll, not so much a geography problem as a population deficiency.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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GreenfieldBison
Wellllll, not so much a geography problem as a population deficiency.
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Couple the two and you have what we have. To over come those hurdles you have to bring something incredible to the table. Which has nothing to do with sports.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
Luke Fickell was told at his radio show about Gary Barta’s comments that Cincinnati hasn’t beat anyone besides Notre Dame. Fickell’s response?
“Who’s the chairman? Did he play football?” #Bearcats
HAHA NDSU QB dumbasses!!
which reminds me. with Gary Barta/Gene Taylor on that committee, the AAC should invite NDSU this week and then Gary/Gene will put Cinci up to #2 or #3 that's a WIN WIN!!
Your assumption that Gary supports NDSU is inaccurate.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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56BISON73
Couple the two and you have what we have. To over come those hurdles you have to bring something incredible to the table. Which has nothing to do with sports.
Chapo is pretty incredible no? Plus we got Kevin!
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well this is depressing AND we are losing a fanbase. Awesome!!! Great job Stony Brook!!
1 thing is for sure we are DEFINITELY going FBS without the other dakota schools & montana so book that. listen to this dummy https://twitter.com/MicIzzo/status/1...108276232?s=20
Stiggy says "WHY" well of course he says WHY because SDSU hasn't won shit! we've done it for 11 years now
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
56BISON73
Couple the two and you have what we have. To over come those hurdles you have to bring something incredible to the table. Which has nothing to do with sports.
Like this?
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
CAS4127
Your assumption that Gary supports NDSU is inaccurate.
Ouch. CAS, isn't he "once a Bison always a Bison"? He go big time and forget his roots?
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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AKBison
SDSU fans seem to be against moving up which is fine. There is only so much FBS talent in MN and WI so this works. Hopefully Mo State and ISU red are ready to pull the trigger.
Looking at the current roster there is only so much FCS talent in ND, MN, SD, WI as well. I counted 47 players beyond the RRV ring of states (yeah, WI is outside that but it was part of AK's contention). There are players from CA, WA, FL, GA, TX, IL, MO, IA, NE, and KS on the current roster. FBS would not likely change the recruiting footprint for NDSU all that much.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
DakotaOkie
Looking at the current roster there is only so much FCS talent in ND, MN, SD, WI as well. I counted 47 players beyond the RRV ring of states (yeah, WI is outside that but it was part of AK's contention). There are players from CA, WA, FL, GA, TX, IL, MO, IA, NE, and KS on the current roster. FBS would not likely change the recruiting footprint for NDSU all that much.
exactly. its fun burning down all these fbs strawman arguments.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
well this is depressing AND we are losing a fanbase. Awesome!!! Great job Stony Brook!!
1 thing is for sure we are DEFINITELY going FBS without the other dakota schools & montana so book that. listen to this dummy
https://twitter.com/MicIzzo/status/1...108276232?s=20
Stiggy says "WHY" well of course he says WHY because SDSU hasn't won shit! we've done it for 11 years now
Is Stig going to use the same recruiting argument that NDSU has used against G5 schools trying to recruit the same players? Why play in a crappy bowl game when you can be competing for a national title every year. We have some crappy years in the G5 and SDSU might start stealing our recruits…..
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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B.Schlossman Fan Club
Is Stig going to use the same recruiting argument that NDSU has used against G5 schools trying to recruit the same players? Why play in a crappy bowl game when you can be competing for a national title every year. We have some crappy years in the G5 and SDSU might start stealing our recruits…..
NDSU doesn't use that recruiting argument. NDSU uses the recruiting argument. "WE ARE NDSU, WE WIN GAMES, WE PUT YOU IN THE NFL"
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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El_Chapo
exactly. its fun burning down all these fbs strawman arguments.
Will it be harder to recruit local guys that want to play away games close to where their family lives so they can get to more games? Might be used as a argument to recruit against us.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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El_Chapo
NDSU doesn't use that recruiting argument. NDSU uses the recruiting argument. "WE ARE NDSU, WE WIN GAMES, WE PUT YOU IN THE NFL"
Oh I guess competing for championships isn’t important anymore? Since when have we not used that to recruit or it that just your view………
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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B.Schlossman Fan Club
Will it be harder to recruit local guys that want to play away games close to where their family lives so they can get to more games? Might be used as a argument to recruit against us.
I don't think there is a real concern that NDSU is going to lose quality players because a kid wants his mom and dad to be able to drive to Vermillion or Brookings to watch him play a road game once or twice a year.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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B.Schlossman Fan Club
Will it be harder to recruit local guys that want to play away games close to where their family lives so they can get to more games? Might be used as a argument to recruit against us.
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ByeSonBusiness
I don't think there is a real concern that NDSU is going to lose quality players because a kid wants his mom and dad to be able to drive to Vermillion or Brookings to watch him play a road game once or twice a year.
If anything it works to our advantage. We get many of our skilled players from Florida, Georgia and Texas. We would have non conference games in Florida, Texas and Alabama
Most player families are just happy to have home games within driving distance. Of course these other teams also lose a short trip to Fargo every other year too
Also most northern kids would prefer to play games in the south come November
The the biggest factor is 22 more scholarships
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this ain't HIGH SCHOOL or D2/D3 . Parents of a FBS player will be willing to travel for 8-10 times FFS.... ridiculous argument!
NDSU will 100% dominate any recruit in ND/SD/Minn that isn't going to Wisc/Iowa/Iowa St/Minnesota.
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HerdBot
The the biggest factor is 22 more scholarships
This is probably more a Hammersmith question, but it's not just 22. It's 22 plus the Title IX equity impacts. Is NDSU ready to manage that? Which women's sports would benefit?
To my eye, NDSU is at 16 sponsored sports, minimum for FBS. No issues there; but is there room to add women's scholarships to balance?
Side note: Strangely, when UND cut sports, they didn't go to 14 (FCS minimum), they too stopped at 17 (and put men's golf on death watch, so effectively 16).
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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El_Chapo
this ain't HIGH SCHOOL or D2/D3 . Parents of a FBS player will be willing to travel for 8-10 times FFS.... ridiculous argument!
NDSU will 100% dominate any recruit in ND/SD/Minn that isn't going to Wisc/Iowa/Iowa St/Minnesota.
I mean, those schools lose kids to bigger P5's but yes, I suspect NDSU would have an easier time getting their leftovers.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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The_Sicatoka
This is probably more a Hammersmith question, but it's not just 22. It's 22 plus the Title IX equity impacts. Is NDSU ready to manage that? Which women's sports would benefit?
To my eye, NDSU is at 16 sponsored sports, minimum for FBS. No issues there; but is there room to add women's scholarships to balance?
Side note: Strangely, when UND cut sports, they didn't go to 14 (FCS minimum), they too stopped at 17 (and put men's golf on death watch, so effectively 16).
Summit sponsors Tennis and Swimming/Diving for which we currently don’t field teams. Hat tip to Hammersmith who iirc posted to this effect recently on one of the zillion threads related to this subject.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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bisonaudit
Summit sponsors Tennis and Swimming/Diving for which we currently don’t field teams. Hat tip to Hammersmith who iirc posted to this effect recently on one of the zillion threads related to this subject.
Adding teams? That sounds expensive.
It'd be easier if there were open slots to fund scholarships in existing women's sports (while not going over NCAA limits obviously).
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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The_Sicatoka
Adding teams? That sounds expensive.
It'd be easier if there were open slots to fund scholarships in existing women's sports (while not going over NCAA limits obviously).
I think NDSU has been fully funded* in women's sports for a decade or more. No room to grow there. Only way to add more women's scholarships at NDSU is to add more sports. Tennis is cheap. S&D is fairly cheap now that West Fargo built a big swimming facility. I think it would have everything a DI program needs except for platform diving. Major issue now is that it's already shared by three high school programs(WF, Sheyenne, Horace). Those two sports are likely preferred because they have ready-made homes(Summit). The other choices of rugby, wrestling, lacrosse, etc. all have the problems of extremely few other programs around us. And equestrian is f--ing expensive to run. It would be our own version of UND women's hockey.
*there have been years where some women's sports like basketball didn't use all the scholarships(coughdumbcough), but the money was always there
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
The_Sicatoka
This is probably more a Hammersmith question, but it's not just 22. It's 22 plus the Title IX equity impacts. Is NDSU ready to manage that? Which women's sports would benefit?
To my eye, NDSU is at 16 sponsored sports, minimum for FBS. No issues there; but is there room to add women's scholarships to balance?
Side note: Strangely, when UND cut sports, they didn't go to 14 (FCS minimum), they too stopped at 17 (and put men's golf on death watch, so effectively 16).
That would be easy. Our endowment funds for athletic scholarships would cover the difference. It's grown to the point where Teammakers is funding capital projects.
But having more scholarships would off set some laughable idea that mom and dad want to drive to vermillion every 2 years
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Hammersmith
Those two sports are likely preferred because they have ready-made homes(Summit). ... And equestrian is f--ing expensive to run. It would be our own version of UND women's hockey.
I think you'd pause on sport selection in case you're not in the Summit (align to a new home's offering).
But, equestrian, hockey, as a start-up or continuing expense (without a gate to support it) ... pass. Run away. (Learn from other's mistakes. :paperbag: )
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I think that people are not factoring in is there are some big money alumni that will step up to the plate.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
The_Sicatoka
I think you'd pause on sport selection in case you're not in the Summit (align to a new home's offering).
But, equestrian, hockey, as a start-up or continuing expense (without a gate to support it) ... pass. Run away. (Learn from other's mistakes. :paperbag: )
If UND were to "someday" go FBS, would you be willing to bring back womens hockey to keep in compliance? Asking for a friend from UND.
