2021 Verbal: Cole Payton

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

put him in. it's Legendary time

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I have no idea why they would do that

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

I have no idea why they would do that

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Because they wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

put him in. it's Legendary time

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Kids a true freshmen. I would rather save him for when he's not a true freshman. There is nothing he can do that Cam or Quincy can't do.

Save him for an emergency, as in we lose both our QBs

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

I have no idea why they would do that

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If they wanted to get fired, it may be a really good idea.

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

Kids a true freshmen. I would rather save him for when he's not a true freshman. There is nothing he can do that Cam or Quincy can't do.

Save him for an emergency, as in we lose both our QBs

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Disagree. He runs better than cam and throws better than Quincy.

Start cam but let the kid get some snaps. Way more utility than qp provides in those gadget plays.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Disagree. He runs better than cam and throws better than Quincy.

Start cam but let the kid get some snaps. Way more utility than qp provides in those gadget plays.

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They might be gadget plays, but they are serving a much broader purpose. Now that Miller is the starter QPs snaps are a threat. He is likely settling down. At some point he is going to throw and burn whatever team for a big play just when we need it. And in case anyone wonders, it is working. He goes in when running seems to be the best option and as we saw today he is a decoy that draws a defense allowing for someone else to make the play. Miller will get 85% of the snaps, no problems with having QP take 15%, it makes other teams take time to practice on him.

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Originally Posted by 1st&TennBison

They might be gadget plays, but they are serving a much broader purpose. Now that Miller is the starter QPs snaps are a threat. He is likely settling down. At some point he is going to throw and burn whatever team for a big play just when we need it. And in case anyone wonders, it is working. He goes in when running seems to be the best option and as we saw today he is a decoy that draws a defense allowing for someone else to make the play. Miller will get 85% of the snaps, no problems with having QP take 15%, it makes other teams take time to practice on him.

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Have to respectfully disagree with you, my friend. The QP package took us out of rhythm and screwed up the entire offense. One example (and minor compared to how crappy the O looked today in general) is the 2-3 unforced, baffling false-starts. You switch QBs up, that’s what you’re gonna get.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

Have to respectfully disagree with you, my friend. The QP package took us out of rhythm and screwed up the entire offense. One example (and minor compared to how crappy the O looked today in general) is the 2-3 unforced, baffling false-starts. You switch QBs up, that’s what you’re gonna get.

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I know that the first person I look to when a linemen screws up is the 2nd QB.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

Have to respectfully disagree with you, my friend. The QP package took us out of rhythm and screwed up the entire offense. One example (and minor compared to how crappy the O looked today in general) is the 2-3 unforced, baffling false-starts. You switch QBs up, that’s what you’re gonna get.

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Last week I thought it was fluid and worked well. He was in and out and things never seemed to miss a beat.

Today it was clunky and I cringed that any time we needed 2 yards TR went right to his favorite QB run up the middle.

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ok move that discussion

this is a CP15 love fest page

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

ok move that discussion

this is a CP15 love fest page

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Fuck you lakes just because you kiss Tony’s ass doesn’t make you a commissar.

I'm literally the last person tony saves on this board... well heffray, scottie, ech8ch montbison & westnodak might be last...

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

Have to respectfully disagree with you, my friend. The QP package took us out of rhythm and screwed up the entire offense. One example (and minor compared to how crappy the O looked today in general) is the 2-3 unforced, baffling false-starts. You switch QBs up, that’s what you’re gonna get.

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I respect your respect

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

I know that the first person I look to when a linemen screws up is the 2nd QB.

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You don’t get it, which is understandable.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

You don’t get it, which is understandable.

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Sorry, just not interested in blaming other people for problems that aren’t theirs.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

Sorry, just not interested in blaming other people for problems that aren’t theirs.

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Can we blame lakes?

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Disagree. He runs better than cam and throws better than Quincy.

Start cam but let the kid get some snaps. Way more utility than qp provides in those gadget plays.

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Have we seen him attempt a pass this year? All we saw was him running though the Valparaiso defense on a day we rushed for 450 yards and 10 per clip

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

Have to respectfully disagree with you, my friend. The QP package took us out of rhythm and screwed up the entire offense. One example (and minor compared to how crappy the O looked today in general) is the 2-3 unforced, baffling false-starts. You switch QBs up, that’s what you’re gonna get.

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The over use of read option out of shotgun took us out of rhythm, IMO

I think the offsides had more to do with a new center and then LG

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

Have we seen him attempt a pass this year? All we saw was him running though the Valparaiso defense on a day we rushed for 450 yards and 10 per clip

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Yes and most of them went in the turf.

I really don’t care for the QP plays. Without a deep throw it is so predictable. I didn’t hate both in the game at the same time. Payton’s time will come…you think he was good out of high school, wait until Hedberg has him for a year and he has strength and conditioning.


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I don’t care if QP runs the ball as long as it’s for positive yards. If it was only a yard or two average then I’d have a problem. Kind of like A-Gap Power over and over again. Why stop if it works. Also, why in all that is holy did we quit running the ball in the first quarter?!! 6 yards a pop and we start to throw the ball. :banghead:

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

I don’t care if QP runs the ball as long as it’s for positive yards. If it was only a yard or two average then I’d have a problem. Kind of like A-Gap Power over and over again. Why stop if it works. Also, why in all that is holy did we quit running the ball in the first quarter?!! 6 yards a pop and we start to throw the ball. :banghead:

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This ^ ^ ^

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

I don’t care if QP runs the ball as long as it’s for positive yards. If it was only a yard or two average then I’d have a problem. Kind of like A-Gap Power over and over again. Why stop if it works. Also, why in all that is holy did we quit running the ball in the first quarter?!! 6 yards a pop and we start to throw the ball. :banghead:

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He averaged 6 yards per carry. Bison fans find strange things to complain about.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

I know that the first person I look to when a linemen screws up is the 2nd QB.

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Every QB has a cadence and rhythm. O-Linemen get used to a particular cadence and may anticipate the count which causes them to accidentally jump off sides. A half second delay in the cadence can majorly screw things up and result in penalties.

CAS is 100% correct in this case.

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Originally Posted by tjamz

Every QB has a cadence and rhythm. O-Linemen get used to a particular cadence and may anticipate the count which causes them to accidentally jump off sides. A half second delay in the cadence can majorly screw things up and result in penalties.

CAS is 100% correct in this case.

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That my post needed this much in-depth extra info is telling. I’ll add that each QB also has a different voice and emphasis on count calling, which taxes Oline more and results in hesitation off the ball.

It’s similar to the RB rotation we have moved away from for the most part. Also similar is bringing in QP too much. These things throw off the O getting into a rhythm/being in sync like it should/can be. And Miller is a feel QB—get out of his way a bit and let him get his feel for game/D.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

That my post needed this much in-depth extra info is telling. I’ll add that each QB also has a different voice and emphasis on count calling, which taxes Oline more and results in hesitation off the ball.

It’s similar to the RB rotation we have moved away from for the most part. Also similar is bringing in QP too much. These things throw off the O getting into a rhythm/being in sync like it should/can be. And Miller is a feel QB—get out of his way a bit and let him get his feel for game/D.

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Meh, I think the the o linemen’s eyes and ears work and they can count. They know who’s in the game and they’ve worked plenty with both of them.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

That my post needed this much in-depth extra info is telling. I’ll add that each QB also has a different voice and emphasis on count calling, which taxes Oline more and results in hesitation off the ball.

It’s similar to the RB rotation we have moved away from for the most part. Also similar is bringing in QP too much. These things throw off the O getting into a rhythm/being in sync like it should/can be. And Miller is a feel QB—get out of his way a bit and let him get his feel for game/D.

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Thanks for clarifying, that was what I was trying to get at as well, you said it better.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

Meh, I think the the o linemen’s eyes and ears work and they can count. They know who’s in the game and they’ve worked plenty with both of them.

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Meh, I think you’ve never played competitive college football, and, resultantly, don’t/can’t understand nuances of doing so and what it requires to be successful. The simple/basic things matter. Some of my best friends to this date are former Olinemen, who I’ve talked with/communicated about this and former RB rotation fiasco. But what do they know, only one of them is in the College Football HOF, and only a few others were All-Americans and in the NDSU HOL.

As a number guy, I’d think you’d get this...

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

Meh, I think you’ve never played competitive college football, and, resultantly, don’t/can’t understand nuances of doing so and what it requires to be successful. The simple/basic things matter. Some of my best friends to this date are former Olinemen, who I’ve talked with/communicated about this and former RB rotation fiasco. But what do they know, only one of them is in the College Football HOF, and only a few others were All-Americans and in the NDSU HOL.

As a number guy, I’d think you’d get this...

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I think it’s pretty silly to blame one guy for the whole thing. I think that the people making these decisions have backgrounds comparable to the people you reference and they they’ve concluded differently as it regards the risks and rewards for the team.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

I think it’s pretty silly to blame one guy for the whole thing. I think that the people making these decisions have backgrounds comparable to the people you reference and they they’ve concluded differently as it regards the risks and rewards for the team.

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Wow. Do you ever yield to people who have more experience on a particular subject than you?

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Originally Posted by mtoutfitter

Wow. Do you ever yield to people who have more experience on a particular subject than you?

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I respect BAudit on a lot of levels. He smart enough to figure this out. Might be similar to meetings he participates in and dreads if someone other than the regular/main moderator/person is in charge and that person is poor at managing meetings. Maybe a poor analogy, but guessing he and most people get it.

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Originally Posted by mtoutfitter

Wow. Do you ever yield to people who have more experience on a particular subject than you?

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Ummm, I made the same appeal to authority that CAS just did, but go on with your bad self.

I don’t know what’s going on in this thread but Cole should start.

On Friday.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

Ummm, I made the same appeal to authority that CAS just did, but go on with your bad self.

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Ok, count me as corrected. But I do think it's "Wif yo bad self"

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Originally Posted by Kevin

I don’t know what’s going on in this thread but Cole should start.

On Friday.

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Amen bro!!!!!

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Originally Posted by mtoutfitter

Ok, count me as corrected. But I do think it's "Wif yo bad self"

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Your cadence is confusing to me.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

That my post needed this much in-depth extra info is telling. I’ll add that each QB also has a different voice and emphasis on count calling, which taxes Oline more and results in hesitation off the ball.

It’s similar to the RB rotation we have moved away from for the most part. Also similar is bringing in QP too much. These things throw off the O getting into a rhythm/being in sync like it should/can be. And Miller is a feel QB—get out of his way a bit and let him get his feel for game/D.

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Except of the 4 offsides penalties, only 1 was on an offensive lineman.

The other 3 penalties were on 1) TE Stoeffl (New guy), a fullback and Luepke, who shifted to TE on the play

Every false happened after Jalen Sundel got hurt and later we lost Nash Jensen

What next Cas, blame Quincy on the 3 drops?

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

Meh, I think you’ve never played competitive college football, and, resultantly, don’t/can’t understand nuances of doing so and what it requires to be successful. The simple/basic things matter. Some of my best friends to this date are former Olinemen, who I’ve talked with/communicated about this and former RB rotation fiasco. But what do they know, only one of them is in the College Football HOF, and only a few others were All-Americans and in the NDSU HOL.

As a number guy, I’d think you’d get this...

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I know that CAS has forgotten more about football than I will ever know. Makes sense to me. Good information CAS.

Dewey

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

Sorry, just not interested in blaming other people for problems that aren’t theirs.

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Cas is right. Don’t comment on something you have no clue about.

QP package is awful and kills the rhythm of the real QB. Miller. Cadence between the QBs is different and was the reason we had multiple false starts.


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Originally Posted by dewey

I know that CAS has forgotten more about football than I will ever know. Makes sense to me. Good information CAS.

Dewey

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I'm not an expert at this but I've talked with enough offensive players on the field to know this is possible. All offensive players go off the cadence not just OL.

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