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14>1
Certainly helped having Voight back there to make that audible, being a former RB and all. Ha, that Drago post game interview with him and his shoulder wrapped in ice, classic Drago. And dang, I must really be slipping, I didn't remember the fake FG at Montana either.
Still that is only 3 in how many years?
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coloradobison
Seemed to me like the Drago fake and the Voigtlander fake were not called by the coaches but more on the players in that they were so open you basically had to. now, the fake FG at Montana...gotta think that was called.
I remember Drago throwing a pass because one of the opposing players forgot to take the field or went to the completely wrong spot. We were still running the Pro punt formation and one of our coverage burners were completely uncovered so Drago threw it to him. Drago himself said he improvised.
I also heard the Voight fake was an on-field audible. They had the green light to call it if sammy lined up a certain way.
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14>1
Ha, that Drago post game interview with him and his shoulder wrapped in ice, classic Drago.
Does anyone know where I can find a video of this? I know it is a long shot but I've tried before and come up empty.
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56BISON73
Still that is only 3 in how many years?
Those plays need to stay in the hip pocket until needed.
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ALPHAGRIZ1
Every year this stuff makes me laugh and I'm not even a Bison fan!
"But, our QB"
"But our defense"
"But our running back"
"But just because we lost by 35 doesn't mean we are not close to being a NC contender"
Yes it does.
If I as a Griz fan am sick of reading this stuff on Bisonville, I can only imagine what you guys feel like.
It's really fucking funny and really really sad that other teams just don't shut up, lose big and quit looking like asshats every year.........but the cat have that little brother thing going on so...........NDSU gets what it's like when dealing with UND and its the same thing here. "Better start lifting weights"
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Exactly why I told a Bobcat fan that the game would be over in 8 minutes.
NDSU is the king of the FCS!!!! Deal with it. Don't expect us to listen to your BS and be all awe inspired. Until you beat us, we're not impressed.
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LITTLEGUYSINGREEN
Until you beat us fully healthy, we're not impressed.
There, fixed for you cuz JMU who are actually the best FCS team in the best FCS conference according to them only lose when they are not fully healthy but beat everyone else without such reservations. When they did play a more healthy NDSU team, they lost.
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In Montana related news:
Bobs Titt rumored to be new OC at Texas State:
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/...64535078322176
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Vet70
There are actually some very rational posters on the Cat board and then you run into things like this several times:
"I think that we can confidently say NDSU DOES NOT want to play us Saturday...to me that is a huge testament to how this team has come together and is playing."
This is what I call "Whistling past the graveyard".
Seriously? Someone seriously thinks that?? :rofl:
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Super speedy soon to be speed bump Andersen, rushed for 84 yds against the....not in the top 50 according to ncaa.com...not gonna look it up....SOUTHLAND CONFERENCE....UIW defense. Not even sure why there is a conversation about him. He's faster than 95% of bisonville, so what. I fully expect to see Tuszka chase him down, and Waege, and Menard.
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89MTBISON
Super speedy soon to be speed bump Andersen, rushed for 84 yds against the....not in the top 50 according to ncaa.com...not gonna look it up....SOUTHLAND CONFERENCE....UIW defense. Not even sure why there is a conversation about him. He's faster than 95% of bisonville, so what. I fully expect to see Tuszka chase him down, and Waege, and Menard.
I noticed he didn't get past the D-line.
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Bisonator98
Seriously? Someone seriously thinks that?? :rofl:
You can find that sentiment expressed more than once.
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Professor Chaos
I don't know if anything will ever top #ButtBama
Oh yes. They were going to hang forty on us.
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NDSU
Saw the original buyout article linked at the bottom of that one: https://www.inforum.com/sports/30414...-football-game
I had forgotten how steamed Taylor was about that. This is a pretty ironic quote from him now:
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"It's disappointing for FCS football when you finally have good inter-conference games like this," Taylor said. "Georgia Southern did it. Maybe Montana State will have the pleasure to come back to our place and get welcomed by the hospitality of our fans. It is very frustrating to try and do this with conferences and for them to pull out."
I'm guessing Gene will be checking in on the game on Saturday... even with all his other concerns right now.
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Yup, GT was hot and he never showed that kind of emotion!
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Gene should be our guest coin flipper. Then could flip off their sideline too after the toss.
The buyout is the last thing I remember about MSU football. That’s why we still remember and talked about it. Trust me, we have been waiting for this game.
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Looking at some of the season numbers I dont see how this one is close baring some injury issues. Here some team stats and rankings sandwiched by some MVFC opponents
Scoring D
(3) NDSU 12.2
(44) Western Illinois 26.0
(52) Montana St (26.5)
(56) Youngstown (27.2)
Total D
(8) NDSU 287.9
(55) SDSU 374.5
(72) Montana St 402.3
(87) South Dakota 430.1
Scoring O
(7) NDSU 41.2
(43) Southern Illinois 30.1
(45) Montana State 30.0
(68) South Dakota 26.7
Total Offense
(20) NDSU 458.5
(62) Youngstown 382.3
(64) Montana State 378.3
(66) Western Illinois 375.9
If we take the average between Scoring O & D looking at NDSU 34 - Montana State 21 throw in a homefield advantage and ill say something like 41-17 Bison win
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I like some of the faster starts the Bison have gotten off to this year, with that, I think the final score will be dictated by the 1st quarter as well.
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noryan34
Looking at some of the season numbers I dont see how this one is close baring some injury issues. Here some team stats and rankings sandwiched by some MVFC opponents
Scoring D
(3) NDSU 12.2
(44) Western Illinois 26.0
(52) Montana St (26.5)
(56) Youngstown (27.2)
Total D
(8) NDSU 287.9
(55) SDSU 374.5
(72) Montana St 402.3
(87) South Dakota 430.1
Scoring O
(7) NDSU 41.2
(43) Southern Illinois 30.1
(45) Montana State 30.0
(68) South Dakota 26.7
Total Offense
(20) NDSU 458.5
(62) Youngstown 382.3
(64) Montana State 378.3
(66) Western Illinois 375.9
If we take the average between Scoring O & D looking at NDSU 34 - Montana State 21 throw in a homefield advantage and ill say something like 41-17 Bison win
Not sure what other Bobcat fans have posted but I would not be unhappy with a 34-21 NDSU win, or even 41-17. My view is that we are totally outmatched and will really struggle to move the ball. I just hope there is something positive to take away after it's all over. At the very least we'll get a chance to see what excellence looks like.
Good luck to the Bison and lets hope its a good game, at least for awhile.
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"I'm not super interested in talking smack with Bizon fans here, so I don't want to hear about how good NDSU is but I do have a couple questions for those fans. Do you think you've faced players in the skill positions as fast as Troy Andersen and Travis Jonsen? Secondly, have you faced an RB that runs as hard as Isaiah Ifanse? Lastly, have you faced an OL as good as what MSU has?"
I hope NDSU still bothers to show up on Saturday........ Now I'm worried
On a side note..... Do you know what is awesome about this board? The fact that none of you create a thread half way through the week titled "Is it Saturday yet" then proceed to elaborate on how you can't wait for gameday ........ You know.......... Just like all the rest of us.
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ALPHAGRIZ1
"I'm not super interested in talking smack with Bizon fans here, so I don't want to hear about how good NDSU is but I do have a couple questions for those fans. Do you think you've faced players in the skill positions as fast as Troy Andersen and Travis Jonsen? Secondly, have you faced an RB that runs as hard as Isaiah Ifanse? Lastly, have you faced an OL as good as what MSU has?"
I hope NDSU still bothers to show up on Saturday........ Now I'm worried
On a side note..... Do you know what is awesome about this board? The fact that none of you create a thread half way through the week titled "Is it Saturday yet" then proceed to elaborate on how you can't wait for gameday ........ You know.......... Just like all the rest of us.
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Alpha, your post reminded my of a quote from Carson Wentz when coming out for the draft. He was asked a few times who the best CB he faced. He'd always say, "Marcus Williams in practice." There guys clearly don't understand our guys go against unbelievable talent everytime they do "good vs good" or a young up and coming player is scouting against a stud. NDSU is winning mainly due to good recruiting coupled with fantastic player development......
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ALPHAGRIZ1
"I'm not super interested in talking smack with Bizon fans here, so I don't want to hear about how good NDSU is but I do have a couple questions for those fans. Do you think you've faced players in the skill positions as fast as Troy Andersen and Travis Jonsen? Secondly, have you faced an RB that runs as hard as Isaiah Ifanse? Lastly, have you faced an OL as good as what MSU has?"
I hope NDSU still bothers to show up on Saturday........ Now I'm worried
On a side note..... Do you know what is awesome about this board? The fact that none of you create a thread half way through the week titled "Is it Saturday yet" then proceed to elaborate on how you can't wait for gameday ........ You know.......... Just like all the rest of us.
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I really don't think we stand much of a chance Saturday, but we might as well play since it is my understanding that we can't buy our way out of the game. There is also speculation on their board as to where their next game will be played after both JMU and MSU win.
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First half spread at -18.5
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ALPHAGRIZ1
"I'm not super interested in talking smack with Bizon fans here, so I don't want to hear about how good NDSU is but I do have a couple questions for those fans. Do you think you've faced players in the skill positions as fast as Troy Andersen and Travis Jonsen? Secondly, have you faced an RB that runs as hard as Isaiah Ifanse? Lastly, have you faced an OL as good as what MSU has?"
I hope NDSU still bothers to show up on Saturday........ Now I'm worried
On a side note..... Do you know what is awesome about this board? The fact that none of you create a thread half way through the week titled "Is it Saturday yet" then proceed to elaborate on how you can't wait for gameday ........ You know.......... Just like all the rest of us.
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No actually I cant say Ive ever watched players as awesome as those on MSU that you speak so highly of. I recall a few years back I was gonna have the chance to but MSU paid there way out of the game. It appears the only thing faster and more elusive than your skilled players is your ADMINISTRATION, "and for that shame you will pay dearly on Saturday!!!!"
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89MTBISON
Super speedy soon to be speed bump Andersen, rushed for 84 yds against the....not in the top 50 according to ncaa.com...not gonna look it up....SOUTHLAND CONFERENCE....UIW defense. Not even sure why there is a conversation about him. He's faster than 95% of bisonville, so what. I fully expect to see Tuszka chase him down, and Waege, and Menard.
We did struggle initially with UIW, who I thought had 2 stud players on defense, but our MO is similar to NDSU in that we just keep pounding and pounding and eventually wear teams down. Those 2 yard carries turned into 8 yard carries in the 4th quarter. But as I've said earlier in this thread, that isn't going to happen against NDSU. We are going to have to find other ways to move the ball than just pound our ball carriers against your stacked box all day long. And I honestly have no idea what that could be.
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CelticCat
We did struggle initially with UIW, who I thought had 2 stud players on defense, but our MO is similar to NDSU in that we just keep pounding and pounding and eventually wear teams down. Those 2 yard carries turned into 8 yard carries in the 4th quarter. But as I've said earlier in this thread, that isn't going to happen against NDSU. We are going to have to find other ways to move the ball than just pound our ball carriers against your stacked box all day long. And I honestly have no idea what that could be.
It may help to sneak a few plays in during the National Anthem!!!
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89MTBISON
Super speedy soon to be speed bump Andersen, rushed for 84 yds against the....not in the top 50 according to ncaa.com...not gonna look it up....SOUTHLAND CONFERENCE....UIW defense. Not even sure why there is a conversation about him. He's faster than 95% of bisonville, so what. I fully expect to see Tuszka chase him down, and Waege, and Menard.
You shoulda looked it up.....lol. Couldn't believe a playoff team was ranked that bad
UIW (Out of 124 teams)
Total Defense (110) 479.2
Scoring D (93) 34.1
Rush Defense (74) 183.9
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noryan34
You shoulda looked it up.....lol. Couldn't believe a playoff team was ranked that bad
UIW (Out of 124 teams)
Total Defense (110) 479.2
Scoring D (93) 34.1
Rush Defense (74) 183.9
And it is being touted as "A good win against a quality team".
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CelticCat
We did struggle initially with UIW, who I thought had 2 stud players on defense, but our MO is similar to NDSU in that we just keep pounding and pounding and eventually wear teams down. Those 2 yard carries turned into 8 yard carries in the 4th quarter. But as I've said earlier in this thread, that isn't going to happen against NDSU. We are going to have to find other ways to move the ball than just pound our ball carriers against your stacked box all day long. And I honestly have no idea what that could be.
We aren’t invincible on D. We have given up yardage and had one game where the defense was flat out awful. That was against a team that showed up tossing the ball. Thing is NDSU looks good on both sides of the ball and the defense usually seems to hike their play to another level in playoffs. You will have to throw to stay in this game. Do that and play good D and this could be an interesting game
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CelticCat
We did struggle initially with UIW, who I thought had 2 stud players on defense, but our MO is similar to NDSU in that we just keep pounding and pounding and eventually wear teams down. Those 2 yard carries turned into 8 yard carries in the 4th quarter. But as I've said earlier in this thread, that isn't going to happen against NDSU. We are going to have to find other ways to move the ball than just pound our ball carriers against your stacked box all day long. And I honestly have no idea what that could be.
Wearing teams down hasn't really been our MO for a couple years. In the past we could line up and both teams plus a majority of the stadium knew what NDSU was going to run. It was a legit ground and pound offense. That has changed. Mess has opened up the playbook and it continues to grow every week. Folks may be able to predict a type of play (play action to the TE, outside run, zone read, etc) but the way in which those plays are executed are much more sophisticated. Also, wearing teams down comes less from our physicality and more from making teams defend sideline to sideline. Based on the lack of success with our run game between the tackles, my guess is we do it strictly to keep teams honest.
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Vet70
And it is being touted as "A good win against a quality team".
But was it a ‘healthy’ team?
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Ok, I keep hearing from kitty fans how Anderson is something like we have never seen. So is Anderson better than any mvfc QBs the past 2 years? If so who?
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MAKBison
Ok, I keep hearing from kitty fans how Anderson is something like we have never seen. So is Anderson better than any mvfc QBs the past 2 years? If so who?
It's genuinely possible we have never seen a linebacker pressed into emergency service as a QB promoted as a legitimate QB.
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Bison 4 Life
It's genuinely possible we have never seen a linebacker pressed into emergency service as a QB promoted as a legitimate QB.
Ok, I could buy that, but I don't think thats what they are selling. I think they mean his qb ability...running the ball and or passing the ball off the run......explosive plays He certainly is not Christian and or Strevler
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I'm sure some Cat fans mean it that way, but most just mean how unique he is and the offense we've built around him. That doesn't mean it's the best offense you've ever seen, or the best QB, because clearly it's neither of those. I mean we run QB power, we've run stuff out of the single-wing. Who the hell runs QB power and single-wing offense in 2018? High school football and Montana State.
He's just a special athlete, but above all he is a football player. There is a decent chance he'd be our best player at about half of the positions on the football field if he switched. He's just and old-school, Leave it to Beaver type All-American kid who loves football and has some exceptional athletic abilities to go along with.
Will he be the best athlete NDSU has ever seen? Probably not even this season. But it's a testament to his athletic ability that he can play a mix of LB/RB as a true freshman last year where he was the Big Sky freshman of the year, spend all spring ball at LB, literally switch to QB for player run summer workouts, win the QB job and then go 7-3 as a starter and be arguably the worst passing QB in the country. Because of the other things he can do, and his intangibles as a leader and a competitor.
It's just a remarkable story and I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like it. So maybe you have seen something like this before, but I have my doubts. But that doesn't mean we are a great football team. I don't expect a W on Saturday, and I even expect Andersen to be contained. But it's been a season for the ages in more than just wins and losses.
We're just damn proud of our small town Montana boy.
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MAKBison
They have it right. Like I said, tallest midget.
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CelticCat
I'm sure some Cat fans mean it that way, but most just mean how unique he is and the offense we've built around him. That doesn't mean it's the best offense you've ever seen, or the best QB, because clearly, it's neither of those. I mean we run QB power, we've run stuff out of the single-wing. Who the hell runs QB power and single-wing offense in 2018? High school football and Montana State.
He's just a special athlete, but above all he is a football player. There is a decent chance he'd be our best player at about half of the positions on the football field if he switched. He's just and old-school, Leave it to Beaver type All-American kid who loves football and has some exceptional athletic abilities to go along with.
Will he be the best athlete NDSU has ever seen? Probably not even this season. But it's a testament to his athletic ability that he can play a mix of LB/RB as a true freshman last year where he was the Big Sky freshman of the year, spend all spring ball at LB, literally switch to QB for player run summer workouts, win the QB job and then go 7-3 as a starter and be arguably the worst passing QB in the country. Because of the other things he can do, and his intangibles as a leader and a competitor.
It's just a remarkable story and I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like it. So maybe you have seen something like this before, but I have my doubts. But that doesn't mean we are a great football team. I don't expect a W on Saturday, and I even expect Andersen to be contained. But it's been a season for the ages in more than just wins and losses.
We're just damn proud of our small town Montana boy.
I agree with him being a very impressive kid, but here is the thing. You asked....Will he be the best athlete NDSU has ever seen? The answer is no! And that is not a knock on Anderson, MSU or MT kids (BTW, I am A MT Kid). No, rather, it is an acknowledgment that NDSU has had its share and or played against extraordinary athletes. I can tell you for a fact Su has kids that could (yes) do just what Anderson did/does (usually we go the other way.... QB to you name the position tho), we have a sophomore that I would put money on that could do it...JCox is not alone.
I sat in a Cat booster bar and watched the kid play against Word and while he showed he was a good player, he did not show he was great or more elite than the horse type" kids that are here and or we have played against. Again, that was just one sample.... so I get my sample is small. I just did not see the superior above the best athletics when I was looking for it and was being told all about it. FYI not smack.
Also you said... "we run QB power, we've run stuff out of the single-wing. Who the hell runs QB power and single-wing offense in 2018? High school football and Montana State." I think if you do that the entire game against SU, who like I am suggesting has a lot of talented kids and handfull of really talented kids, your teams will have minimal success.
And finally since you asked over on your BCN.....We play SDSU whose line is big and QB can run and throw....Walter Paton candidate. Last Year we played USD another Walter Payton runner-up...and they would run some QB power, Again he could also throw so with both of those two we have/had to play it very honost. SO yeah, NO its not new.
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G_Funky
Wearing teams down hasn't really been our MO for a couple years. In the past we could line up and both teams plus a majority of the stadium knew what NDSU was going to run. It was a legit ground and pound offense. That has changed. Mess has opened up the playbook and it continues to grow every week. Folks may be able to predict a type of play (play action to the TE, outside run, zone read, etc) but the way in which those plays are executed are much more sophisticated. Also, wearing teams down comes less from our physicality and more from making teams defend sideline to sideline. Based on the lack of success with our run game between the tackles, my guess is we do it strictly to keep teams honest.
Agreed. This year especially we have been starting games by passing to open up the run game. It's been refreshing to see them taking when the defense is giving instead of running straight into a loaded box. With Stick dropping mostly dimes down the stretch it's been a fun ride. That laser at SIU on 3rd down to Cain threaded between 3 defenders was a "You can't stop me" type of throw.