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So you could make the argument that the student government is paying $250 per ticket for 4000 tickets(ignoring other sports tickets). Actually the arguement could be made that if the student tickets aren't used the student government should get the money back from selling them. Just like any other season ticket holder. (BTW I am playing devil's advocate here.)Quote:
Originally Posted by NDB2
Gotta factor in tickets to all the other sporting events at NDSU as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMB
I'd be all for removing the part of the student activity fee that allows for 'free' tickets to all the NDSU students on a first come first serve basis and instead selling 'packs' to all the games in a specific sport, such as they do at Wisconsin and Arizona State. When I went to ASU, I bought an athletics pass that got me into all the sports as I saw fit.
That would possibly be a good way to gauge how many student seats would be needed for each season to provide the proper amount of student tickets while also providing incentive for the students to go to the games since they have a stronger sense of 'we payed for them' since the costs are separate out-of-pocket costs.
That may be more motivation than these 'free' tickets provided now where students are more apt to feel like they can take the tickets for granted and not show up.
Yeah, the athletics fee actually go to pay for those sports that aren't making their own money, it's just that football is what everybody wants. If football didn't take any of that money and instead sold a student season ticket as many other schools do (hell they even do it up north for hockey), they would probably see the half that are die hard and clear up some of the season ticket backlog for the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUBowler
I don't know that ndsu is big enough to pull it offQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUBowler
I don't think size would factor, it's demand. Those tickets would sell to somebody.Quote:
Originally Posted by 344Johnson
I dont disagree tickets would get sold. I should have explained more, I don't think a whole lot of student packages would be purchased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
Or they will be happy they still have their lifetime fans paying that $800/year you mentioned earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by kab1one
It would be nice to know the true cost to run the department. That would be a starting point for a discussion. Some say the state subsidizes the program millions, other say it makes money, the student's what do they contribute? No one really has an answer and maybe you can't determine it as how their fees are allocated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayville Bison
All of the information is readily available for those that want to look for it. Every student pays an activity fee and there is a substantial amount of that which goes directly to the Athletic Department. There are also a lot of other things that go on during the year that are free for the students because funds come from activity fees. It's no different now than it was 30 years ago when I was in school. Some students take advantage of every opportunity, some pick and choose, and some never attend activities on campus. I'd be surprised if there is actually a correlation between the above and what they contribute later in life.
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...is_shared=true
Oregon fans are 500 steps ahead of us..how have we never thought of beer pong at the dome during blow outs??
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According to whom? "I am sorry students but your hard earned money only goes to the "non-popular" sports. Feel free to go to those for free. I am not sure that would fly with the students at all. Plus even if the money is going to "non-revenue" sports, those sports indirectly help the football team for title IX purposes, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
Then how's this for a solution. Take the 63 scholarships for football, only keep 63 scholarships for womens sports (or activities) and call it even? You see, football makes its own money (obviously), women's golf doesn't. Yet you want 21% of the seats in the stadium to go to students because they "pay the athletic fee". You better believe that if football took no money (nobody has still given a single figure as to how much of the football budget is payed by the athletic fee) and the students paid their own tickets (it happens), that a very good number of those seats would be full as is evidenced by the extensive waiting list for season tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMB
What number is that 4000 seats pegged to?
We have one of the best student sections in all of FCS and you guys want to piss all over them. I will just sit back and shake my head and listen to what the know it alls have for a few games a year the students don't pick up all their tickets. NDSU has a very good system in place now, you don't go pissing off the students, you will have a uproar like happened when they tried moving all the student seats a year or so after the dome opened. So much for "student focused".
Title IX is about WAY MORE than just scholarships. The balance includes all resources devoted to the sports and that includes coaches salaries, recruiting budgets, etc. The dollars contributed to the Athletic Department by the students is a lump sum rather than sport specific. Essentially the same as the Team Makers donation which is targeted for scholarships (Team Makers members are not sport specific even though football is a primary driver). Where the 4,000 student tickets comes from must have to do with the capacity of the 6 sections allotted to students (although that seems high).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
When the dome opened, ALL of the student seats were in the South End Zone. I had reserved tickets in section 15 on the sideline. The students were right to howl about how they were getting treated and the sections on the sideline were given to them. That got me moved across the field and down. I am 100% pleased with how it worked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison"FANatic"
That is my larger point. It does seem high. It's 30% of the total student body and 21% of the seats. My point is that everybody seems to overvalue the activity fee in the support of the football program.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
I'm going to guess that you aren't involved in making hiring decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Something we agree on! I have had season tickets for 12 years. I'm not getting any deal....just because I'm not 65 doesn't mean I should pay more(and I mean a LOT more) than the people sitting next to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
The thing is if those fans don't want to pay what is current price then it is their option not to. But why make me pay more...can anyone explain how that is at all fair???
Activity fees represent a fraction of what students contribute monetarily to the athletic department. There is direct institutional support to the athletic department and that comes out of NDSU's funding which is largely supported by tuition checks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
http://www.prairiebizmag.com/event/i...e%20Athletics/
$6.2 million of the athletic department funds comes out of the NDSU budget which is largely supported by student tuition and fee payments. Another $1.1 million comes from student activity fees. I don't see how you can completely ignore the tuition dollars sent to the athletic department.
Maybe NDSU should be the first school in North Dakota to have the university's share of the athletic department supported completely by student activity fees. Tuition would go down by $500 and activity fees would increase by $500. It certainly would be better from an accounting standpoint.
Get back to me when Team Makers contributes $7.2 million per year to the athletic department.
That's a little like saying that students pay tuition for football tickets only.
Sorry. That's not what I meant by high. 6 sections seating 4,000 would equate to a capacity of nearly 24,000 (aren't there 36 sections?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
I have no strong opinion on how many tickets should be allotted to students.
My rough estimate is that it currently approximates the same percentage as it was at Dacotah.
If the problem remains that selling ticket packages to students would hurt less popular attendance sports then there are two possible answers that come to mind.
1. Break off the more popular sports (football and maybe MBB) portion of the funds they get and have just those be 'pay on your own' for season ticket clumps. The students contribution from student activity fees go down by whatever percentage of it is taken by FB/MBB and the students have the chance to purchase tickets to those. It also allows free attendance to the less popular sports here so students can still go to that since 'hey it's free at least' is likely a reason they are more willing to go.
2. Have an all-around athletics pass. You want to go to a football game? You must spend $XXX and you get a card that entitles you to attend any sporting event. That whole cost is then pooled and broken down by %, like it currently is.
I'm not sure if either idea is plausible or not, but it couldn't be too hard for NDSU to do some studies to gauge the student reaction to ideas like this.
Like I said before, at Kansas and Ohio State (two schools of which I am familiar) you get into most things free with the exception of the high demand revenue sports (football and basketball) for which you buy a season ticket at a reduced rate compared to the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUBowler
I hope you wouldn't pay too much for a study asking the students "would you like to pay for the football games instead of getting in for free?"
We could always follow the lead of the people to the North. Students pay for hockey tickets at the Ralph. :hide:
Yes, which is why I mentioned it earlier. There's a template.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
Well, when you word it THAT way...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
I suppose it would be a raw deal for those who are here on scholarship and would have tickets covered by said scholarship and if they had to purchase tickets it would come out of their own pocket...expenses they wouldn't have incurred.
But if you ask the student body "would you all like to be given the option to either keep a piece of money that goes to student activities, or use that money to willingly purchase tickets" you'd get a much different answer than "would you like to pay for the football games instead of getting in for free?"...especially from the students at NDSU that don't care to go to football games.
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Originally Posted by NDSUBowler
I wonder what % of those dollars are actually used in football. Every student pays for a ton of things they do not use.
I have a speech communication degree from NDSU, there are only about a dozen buildings on campus I ever even stepped into. Did my "money" go to pay for things I didn't use? Sure.
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Originally Posted by 56BISON73
What he said. :biggrin:
It's 100% because a majority of the student population has only experienced 1, MAYBE 2 losses in their careers so far. They don't remember 2009. They don't appreciate what we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
I have been unable to get a student ticket for the last 3 games (mostly because I work during the hours they are released) and when I saw how empty the section was from my seat at bdubs, I almost cried. At a post-game party, I actually heard a girl (presumably sophomore) say "We win too much. These games are boringggggg."
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Echoing 344's sentiment, I highly doubt a majority of any graduates will donate. I've heard many people specifically say they won't give a dime more to NDSU. Why? Because a lot of people in my generation are finding an increasingly harder time to get the job they were hoping to get with the expensive college education they paid for.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
It is. See above.Quote:
You say this is typical of the students?
Students, coming out of high school, lack school pride. No, I don't mean for their high school. I mean for their college. It's especially true for the younger classes at NDSU today. Reasons?Quote:
What does that say about the future?
1) Our athletic teams are rarely threatened.
They don't need a students cheer or battle cries to get the job done. Our teams are steam-rolling with or without the students help.
2) TV did it better.
The only games not on TV are all away. You get a better view from a TV and you can do other stuff like homework or laundry before hitting up the scene post-game. We are all about multitasking.
3) Rival? What rival?
Sure, there's SDSU. But, in the end, it's just SDSU. They are like the ugly step-brother who is 3 years younger than you. Annoying, yes, but not threatening. We lost our twin when dad moved out and mom upgraded divisions. Most students don't even care enough to know the name of the schools we play year in and year out. (See "What's UNI?") It's hard to get pumped up when you don't care about the team you are trying to beat.
Being that the third game didn't sell out their student allotment, I don't really believe your excuse of work as a reason...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitojr130
That being said, the conversation in this thread has moved past that to instead figuring out ways to remedy the problem instead of harping on it.
3 Game was homecoming a sellout for the students.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUBowler
Sorry, I wrote it kind of funky. I meant that when he said the last 3 games, that implies the last of the 3 games (aka the 3rd game I referred to) was this last Saturday vs ISUb. Which is the game I assume he is referencing while mentioning seeing the empty blue seats seen from tv.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBison
There are 34 sections in the dome. The students have 7 of them. Not all sections have the same number of seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
I should know better than to wing it. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
Word is around 1,000 student tickets still unclaimed for the SDSU game. Time for some changes. By Wednesday is plenty of time for them to get their tickets. Everything left over should go to the public. Rope off the upper section of the endzone sections that went unclaimed above the students and make it first come first serve for SRO tickets.
Makes sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonpride
NDSU will sell them if they don't get claimed. NDSU did it last year, NDSU did it last game and NDSU will do it this game. 8am Friday morning they will sell them if available.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonpride
There is a process in place for this exact scenario.
Well, if this is a rivalry game, things sure have changed since i was in college.....Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonpride
700-800 left. NDSU just blows out every team, thats the problem. With no QB this game will be over by halftime too.
Then you have HALLOWEEN, kids going home to halloween parties, or just getting blacked out drunk friday night . Plus harvest & hunting.
ADD this all up and this is the result.