Not to mention that most of those teams would struggle in the MVFC. A move UP??? Definitely not.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
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Not to mention that most of those teams would struggle in the MVFC. A move UP??? Definitely not.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
That would be cojones in this case?Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
LMAO. That is such an absurd statement: "Most of those teams would struggle in the MVFC." Hyperbole at its finest.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
Quite a few would. The top if the MVFC would eat some of those teams alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
I watch my fair share of Sunbelt football. They continue to get worse every year. The only two teams that have shown promise to be decent teams are Arkansas State and Georgia Southern. Troy, Ga St, Idaho, NMSU, and App State are among the worst FBS programs right now. Troy lost to a freaking transitional D1 team Abilene Christian (still D2 at heart). I live down here and no one gives a crap about the Sunbelt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
I live up here and no one gives a crap about the SunbeltQuote:
Originally Posted by marenlee
I live in AR and I dont follow ASU. I know its in Jonesboro but thats it. Funny I dont think I ever hear anyone down here talking about it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honeybooboo
Georgia State beat Abilene Christian by a single point. I'm thinking Strongman is clueless.
Idaho really cracks me up. They can't compete in the Big Sky so they stayed in the SB.
FBS by name is still viewed as better.
We are the best by far in the FCS 49-2!!! We are better than this division it's already been proven.
To get to a P5 we need to hit a G5 first and win. Duh.
Beating a big 12 big 10 (Kansas & Iowa?) And a cupcake then going 8-0 in sunbelt would put NDSU into a 8 team playoff. (It'll be 8 teams within 3 years once they see how big this will be!)
8 of these clubs Sagarin projects w/in a TD of USD on a neutral field.
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No Sun Belt team as the conference exists now will EVER be selected for a playoff spot. Even if it was 16 teams.
12-0/13-0 G5 team (even the Sunbelt) "should" be able to make a 16 team playoff. However, a 16 team playoff is not on the horizon. Marshall, which will probably run the table this year and go 13-0, has almost no chance to make the playoff this year. Even in an 8 team playoff (which it will be eventually) Marshall would have very little chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
You're probably correct. Marshall at 13-0 has ZERO chance this season. I do think 8 teams is eventually where it will go. I won't see a 16 team playoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by marenlee
Well if anyone knows hyperbole you do. :bowdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Str.ongman
Nobody outside of the region gives a shit about the MVC--if we want to be objective.
Seriously---I dont care that they dont care. My fandom has no bearing on the division we play in. My happiness or self esteem has no bearing on the the division we play in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
Strongman good point. I'm watching Boise State right now on tv Dayum that could be NDSU!!
So why the utter hate and opposition to move up to a football only conference? The Sunbelt or MAC would be a stepping stone. It would be analogous to the Great West. NDSU builds its national brand, builds a new stadium, wins some conference titles and perhaps gets some playoff berths during the next 10 years. NDSU cannot join a Big Five conference now. However, with success at the next level, it would be achievable in 20 to 25 years. Rome was not built in a day.
Boise State and MWC sucks. MVC is way better. Who the hell wants to be on ESPN on Friday night? KVLY is much better! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
There is no utter hate and opposition to a move up. Most would favor a move up IF it put us in a better position and involved a playoff AND was the best move for NDSU as a whole.. The opposition comes from having to listen to continual mindless blather to a move up with no realistic plan on how to achieve it. You just dont wave a magic wand and move. Especially when there has been no forth coming invitation. Of course the logistics of a move are much more complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
Strongman there is alot of talk about what needs to be done for NDSU to achieve this. This new AD scares the crap out of the FBS movement group. (F.M.G) NDSU needed a fundraiser and salesperson and experienced man that conferences would listen to.
That's the plan A) sell NDSU to a FBS conference B) prove that we are worthy of an invite C) talk new stadium or find nore revenue/fundraising
As both a football conference and a beer, GrainBelt > SunBelt
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I think the FBS deck chairs could reshuffle again, that could create an opportunity but the chairs need to shuffle. Our AD can't cause other conferences to realign, he can only try to position us if it happens.
Chapo you should be hoping everyday that the Big 12 sees that 12 schools is the way to go. That will set things in motion right on down the line and could create some opportunities.
Or Hawaii gets dumped by MWC & Colorado St/Wyoming/Air Force goes to bat for NDSU to stay east.
How are you going to implement your plan? You have no standing with ndsu or tm.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I would guess as alumni he is forever tied to ndsu plQuote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Don't quote him unbison, I like ignore.
FOUND THIS ON EXPANSION BLOG TONIGHT:
TWISTING THE KNIFE DEEPER- When NMSU bolts, the Sun Belt will be left with ten football schools and eleven all-sports schools, not the ideal setup for Karl Benson and the presidents in the SBC. Usually, two schools that the Sun Belt would acquire would bring along all of their sports but if that were to happen, they would have an inordinate amount of Olympic-sports members in their conference. If they wanted a football-only member, a great candidate would be North Dakota State. North Dakota State has become the new Appalachian State at the FCS level by winning three straight national titles. NDSU is white-hot and Benson has been in contact with them in the past. If NDSU wants to keep up with the arms race, they should at least consider moving up to FBS level. If NDSU joined the SBC, it would give Idaho a nominal travel partner. Certainly, Fargo, ND is a lot closer to Moscow, ID than say Atlanta, GA. That takes care of the football only school; now comes the quagmire of adding an all-sports member. I have already wrote an article about the candidates for the SBC and I still Liberty is pound for pound, the best school available because of finances, potential growth factor, consistency in all sports, and its proximity to App State.
Expansion has caused ripples and scars throughout all of college sports. It has torn apart conferences and time-honored traditions but as long as the rivers flow and the mountains tower above the sky, hopefully, so will college sports.
That plan sucks and here is why.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
A. The sun belt does nothing for 95% of Bison alum or fans. Nor does the MAC or WAC or most of the mid major type conferences. Big 12 or bust. Maybe MWC. At the very least, see where everyone is after the music stops because I think a lot of those conferences will be looking at the MVFC and Big Sky to round out the new division 1.
B. If we were to move up, we don't need our admin running around begging conferences for an invite. We let ESPN do the dirty work. As they start seeing the picture develop, they will dictate who goes where because they have the most money in the pot that would most effect the levek NDSU will end up. The new D1.
C. We don't build a stadium until we know where we are at and how the TV money looks. That is just good economics. We may not need a new stadium. I think division 4 will happen. The G5 conferences are in freaking football purgatory right now. They will soon have nothing. No chance at the BCS playoffs and no playoffs of their own. FCS already has the D1 model that works for them. It would bode well for the G5 schools to team up with the top third or so of FCS and have its own division, with playoffs. NDSU may already have the perfect size stadium for the new D1. It's ok to control supply.
The bottom line is NDSU doesn't have to do anything right now except be NDSU. Keep winning, keep selling out the dome, keep traveling well, and keep being good Gameday hosts. The rest will fall in place and we will be right where we are supposed to be. For God's sake, we don't ever have to beg the Sunbelt to let us in. We are NDSU. They're not.
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G5 WILL NOT DUMSPTER DIVE TO BE IN FCS. that's a suicide move for them and their egos
May be official standing is a better choice of words. And I know you are smart enough not to go down the road on his standing within the athletic dept and TM.Quote:
Originally Posted by unbison
Its game day----GO BISON!!!!!!
The G5 needs to figure out what they want to become and the best thing for them is a true playoff. To swallow up the FCS, or at least look at what is the best option to do with the FCS and some situations that exist. The G5 come in, good bye SWAC, NEC, and MEAC. Ivy do you want to play in the playoffs or not, if not see ya. Then regionalize whats left. This brings a tremendous shift of power in the G5 to the west from the East, but will balance out the 2nd level of College FB, but you are talking 5 to 10 years from now. After no G5 team has made the playoffs with an undefeated record more than once.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
They are not going to have a choice. You still have the P5 conferenes about 6 schools short. BYU and Notre Dame take up two of those and then they will do whatever they can to not include the academies. So now there will be a fight for 4 slots. Boise State, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Fresno State, maybe Houston, and a couple of other schools I can't think of that are probably on some short lists to get all the power 5 conferences to 14 teams each. Or, maybe they go with 2 more teams and make up 4 16 team conferences with each having two 8 team divisions with 7 game division schedules and conference championships leading into a final four and a championship. That would be some serious money. Either way you have the G5 conferences sitting around 10-15 schools short of five 14 school conferences or four 16 school conferences. Where are they going to go for that? They aren't going to dump an entire conference. That doesn't make any sense. They will "dumpster dive" in FCS to take the top 10-15 programs to fill in the gaps and have the new second tier, which will be the new D1 with their own playoff system with the bonus system of getting one P5 team a year on the schedule. That will be the buy out clause to make everyone happy. The reality here is that the P5 is going to get their D4. It is going to happen. With all fun and games aside, NDSU is not going to be part of D4. They are going to be part of D1 with the rest of the G5 conferences. It isn't that they are dumpster diving, it will be survival. NDSU won't need to ask for an invite because they will be included by default along with at least 6 other schools with automatic invites to the new D1. Montana, Montana State, EWU, UNI, YSU, SIU, and NDSU would be shoe ins from just the north and north west. I can't think of any other schools right now outside the MVFC and Big Sky except Sam Houston State. That is your reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Nicely thought out.Quote:
Originally Posted by td577
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Originally Posted by td577
Said it well in other words it will not be dumpster diving the G5 conferences will be either inviting the top FCS schools or asking them to move up and form a conference to round out the numbers.
I think you are correct. This isn't going to happen over night. Many years before this settles out.Quote:
Originally Posted by missingnumber7
Yes it will take a while. This is the first year of the playoff and the committee hasn't even picked its first field of four teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Give it a few years and a chance for multiple teams and conferences to feel like they got the shaft.
That will drive a movement to increase the size of the field. Most likely to 8 teams.
That's where the real eye opener will be for the G5 programs. They will still get left out (regardless of record) and it will be clear that they are second class to the P5 conferences and are fighting a losing battle.
It's like the days in the schoolyard. Ignore some long enough and eventually they get the message and go away. Cruel but necessary.
Didn't Rome fall after they over reached their bounds? HmmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
1) MWC would be an ideal conference for NDSU. Did you watch their game on ESPN last night?Quote:
Originally Posted by td577
2) WE NEED A STADIUM WHETHER WE MOVE UP OR STAY PUT. We could be drawing 24,000 per game currently. Growth is retarded because we are stuck at 18,900 forever. 30,000 to 35,000 is what we need--with expansion to 45,000 to 50,000.
3) Ever played poker? NDSU needs to bet on the come--have a plan but anticipate what is going to happen. Money via TV revenue is going to drive the playoff expansion. Why would they expand? Because each game is millions and millions of dollars more. 8 teams= 7 games; 16 teams = 15 games; 20 teams = 19 games. You are underestimating GREED IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. There will be a huge expansion in college playoffs. It will happen within the next 5 to 7 years. Hence, NDSU needs to move up after they QUAD so they can be in the best possible position.
This is embarrassing. 2 weeks in a row. #11 & #21 and they both look like incarnate word vs NDSU. Too many old people in good seats just sitting there not cheering. Student section bored as hell with these teams. Time for FBS
Yep were winning AGAIN. This sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Ive tried to stay out of this thread...but the gall of some of you people. :facepalm: Spoiled brats.