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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Big Bird
He is just incapable of taking the easy ones. Really rough watch
He really makes it look difficult. I realize he's playing with mostly backups, but he continues to make rookie plays.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
Nothing wrong with huntin and preachin eh. He'll be alright. God bless bros.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
I feel like they need to fix the “forward lateral” rule or at least how it’s interpreted. That is the second time in a week I’ve seen that play penalized on review. The guy is running down field at 10 or 15 mph. He tossed the ball backward from his frame of reference and gets penalized because of physics.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
bisonaudit
I feel like they need to fix the “forward lateral” rule or at least how it’s interpreted. That is the second time in a week I’ve seen that play penalized on review. The guy is running down field at 10 or 15 mph. He tossed the ball backward from his frame of reference and gets penalized because of witchcraft.
Fixed it for you.
Just happened in the Jets-Dolphins game too.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
Big Bird
Fixed it for you.
Just happened in the Jets-Dolphins game too.
That is correct. Replay is witchcraft.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
tbh i dont' know why they need replay when the reptilian zebras are godlike and infalliable anyway?
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
Are you serious? Denver is playing for the playoffs and is going full tilt on both sides of the ball. Bill Cowher even mentioned the Chiefs are basically running preseason vanilla on both sides of the ball.
Wentz hasn't had much of a chance. Mahomes was sacked a bunch by the Broncos with the starting offensive line. Wentz has none of that. The Chiefs center is snapping the ball low on every snap.
I see they did one RPO to start that last drive just to stop Wentz from getting pummeled on every play.
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KSBisonFan
He really makes it look difficult. I realize he's playing with mostly backups, but he continues to make rookie plays.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
No he isn't.
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Originally Posted by
MyOhMy
Wentz is cooked.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
KC_Hats
No he isn't.
Well he's been so bad they just pulled him for Oladokun... Ouch.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
They planned to play Oladokun all week. The Chiefs ran a preseason game and Denver played like it was the playoffs. Throw the tape away on this one. Nothing to be gleaned from anything the Chiefs did today. Only thing worrisome is the missed field goal by Butker since it wasn't that long of a kick.
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MyOhMy
Well he's been so bad they just pulled him for Oladokun... Ouch.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
bisonaudit
I feel like they need to fix the “forward lateral” rule or at least how it’s interpreted. That is the second time in a week I’ve seen that play penalized on review. The guy is running down field at 10 or 15 mph. He tossed the ball backward from his frame of reference and gets penalized because of physics.
It's a known physical phenomenon when you are running forward like that. They is no rule you could write that would make that a backward pass. If you said the player who caught it was behind the guy who through it, there are a lot of forward screen passes from the pocket where that is true also. Forward/backward is pretty straightforward.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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IndyBison
It's a known physical phenomenon when you are running forward like that. They is no rule you could write that would make that a backward pass. If you said the player who caught it was behind the guy who through it, there are a lot of forward screen passes from the pocket where that is true also. Forward/backward is pretty straightforward.
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That is incorrect. You could be running and then literally turn around and take a few backward steps while you are throwing backward and, as the laws of physics dictate, though the ball would appear to be traveling backward from the point of view of the ball carrier, it could be moving forward in physical reality. You could write a rule that says the player is behind the ball carrier in physical space and I think it would actually make more sense.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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heffray
That is incorrect. You could be running and then literally turn around and take a few backward steps while you are throwing backward and, as the laws of physics dictate, though the ball would appear to be traveling backward from the point of view of the ball carrier, it could be moving forward in physical reality. You could write a rule that says the player is behind the ball carrier in physical space and I think it would actually make more sense.
Can the Coriolis effect be applied?
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Bison4peat
Can the Coriolis effect be applied?
Had to look that up… I don’t think so? Seems like it shows up more in astrophysics than what we can observe on earth? Could be wrong though…
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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heffray
Had to look that up… I don’t think so? Seems like it shows up more in astrophysics than what we can observe on earth? Could be wrong though…
As far as I know this is accurate.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
heffray
That is incorrect. You could be running and then literally turn around and take a few backward steps while you are throwing backward and, as the laws of physics dictate, though the ball would appear to be traveling backward from the point of view of the ball carrier, it could be moving forward in physical reality. You could write a rule that says the player is behind the ball carrier in physical space and I think it would actually make more sense.
It's not uncommon for the back to be behind the QB on a screen pass when the pass is released, but the pass goes forward (think of a flare pass in the flat...it just happened in the Vikings game). If that pass is dropped, by your rule, it's still a live ball even though it's obviously forward. Conversely, on a bubble screen to a wideout, there are times the receiver may still be in front of the QB when the pass is released but catches a backward pass.
Basing is on the location of the players at the time of the pass is illogical and counter to the basic fundamentals of football. If you are going to flip it to a back behind you while running downfield, you need to make sure you are throwing it behind where you release. Hard to do but doable.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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MyOhMy
Well he's been so bad they just pulled him for Oladokun... Ouch.
That’s not why they pulled him. Lol. Reid loves Carson and doesn’t need him to get hurt.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
Really gets wonky with a full moon
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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heffray
Had to look that up… I don’t think so? Seems like it shows up more in astrophysics than what we can observe on earth? Could be wrong though…
You could be. If you do any long range shooting then your shot will definitely be impacted by the coreolis effect. Right here on earth. Shorter shots too of course but not detectable.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
IndyBison
It's not uncommon for the back to be behind the QB on a screen pass when the pass is released, but the pass goes forward (think of a flare pass in the flat...it just happened in the Vikings game). If that pass is dropped, by your rule, it's still a live ball even though it's obviously forward. Conversely, on a bubble screen to a wideout, there are times the receiver may still be in front of the QB when the pass is released but catches a backward pass.
Basing is on the location of the players at the time of the pass is illogical and counter to the basic fundamentals of football. If you are going to flip it to a back behind you while running downfield, you need to make sure you are throwing it behind where you release. Hard to do but doable.
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You could make the rule specific to when a QB is in the pocket vs otherwise, there are other rules like that… just a thought.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
heffray
You could make the rule specific to when a QB is in the pocket vs otherwise, there are other rules like that… just a thought.
Or behind the line of scrimmage since forward or backward passes are both legal at that point (unless a forward pass has already been thrown)
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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heffray
You could make the rule specific to when a QB is in the pocket vs otherwise, there are other rules like that… just a thought.
All the things I described could happen outside the pocket. And this happens on change of possession plays as well. All passes are forward or backward. It's not that hard. If you are running forward, it's hard to throw a backward pass in stride.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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IndyBison
All the things I described could happen outside the pocket. And this happens on change of possession plays as well. All passes are forward or backward. It's not that hard. If you are running forward, it's hard to throw a backward pass in stride.
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Rugby seems to have solved this simply by not being pedantic about replay.
”If the referee called every ball that moved forwards in the air as forwards, then nearly every pass would be called forwards and the game would descend into a continuous sequence of scrums.Even as a former forward and current scrum coach, I wouldn't want to see that.
So in practice the referees recognise that the Laws of Rugby are subject to a higher law, namely the Laws of Physics, and what they look at is the direction in which the passer's hands released the ball. If the ball left the hands backwards towards the player's own tryline, then it's regarded as backwards, even if its momentum then carries it forwards.”
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
IndyBison
All the things I described could happen outside the pocket. And this happens on change of possession plays as well. All passes are forward or backward. It's not that hard. If you are running forward, it's hard to throw a backward pass in stride.
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Let me ask you another question: In your view, is the Official College Football rulebook infallible, or do you think it can be improved upon?
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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KSBisonFan
He really makes it look difficult. I realize he's playing with mostly backups, but he continues to make rookie plays.
I'm sure we are not the only ones to see this. It seems since his almost MVP year he has made every play look so damn hard. Can't seem to take what the defense gives him and seems to have a predetermined idea of the best outcome of each play call has to be the result.
I don't think his mentality changed after the injury I just think things were working more the not when he was playing at a high level but the odds caught up with him over time, imo.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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heffray
Let me ask you another question: In your view, is the Official College Football rulebook infallible, or do you think it can be improved upon?
I have issues with several rules that I would like to see changed. And they make changes every year, so it's constantly evolving. Forward backward is not an area of concern by anyone though. This pass was clearly forward by any possible rule. I don't know enough about rugby to know the nuances of forward and backward. I just know that nobody would want the examples I gave to be reversed, and your rule change suggestion would do that.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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TAILG8R
I'm sure we are not the only ones to see this. It seems since his almost MVP year he has made every play look so damn hard. Can't seem to take what the defense gives him and seems to have a predetermined idea of the best outcome of each play call has to be the result.
I don't think his mentality changed after the injury I just think things were working more the not when he was playing at a high level but the odds caught up with him over time, imo.
His concussion caused by the deliberate jump on his head changed everything for him. Jevon Clowney (the spelling may be incorrect) destroyed Carson's career.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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IndyBison
I have issues with several rules that I would like to see changed. And they make changes every year, so it's constantly evolving. Forward backward is not an area of concern by anyone though. This pass was clearly forward by any possible rule. I don't know enough about rugby to know the nuances of forward and backward. I just know that nobody would want the examples I gave to be reversed, and your rule change suggestion would do that.
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The Rugby rule, or least the common interpretation, seems to be about the orientation of the hand(s) i.e. is the ball throw backward relative to the passer rather than relative to chalk on grass. I don’t want the examples you gave reversed. I want a rule that makes sense because the two I saw this week were clearly legal laterals to everyone but the nit in the replay booth. This is truely No Fun League level over analyzing that removes exciting plays from the game.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
IndyBison
I have issues with several rules that I would like to see changed. And they make changes every year, so it's constantly evolving. Forward backward is not an area of concern by anyone though. This pass was clearly forward by any possible rule. I don't know enough about rugby to know the nuances of forward and backward. I just know that nobody would want the examples I gave to be reversed, and your rule change suggestion would do that.
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I think is a fair response. Thanks.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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bisonaudit
The Rugby rule seems to be about the orientation of the hand(s) i.e. is the ball throw backward relative to the passer rather than relative to chalk on grass. I don’t want the examples you gave reversed. I want a rule that makes sense because the two I saw this week were clearly legal laterals to everyone but the nit in the replay booth. This is truely No Fun League level over analyzing that removes exciting plays from the game.
This video explains your point very well. The pass at 1:35 is a "no way that is forward" but in football's stupid rules it would be illegal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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runtheoption
Physics > Referees.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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gabisonfan
His concussion caused by the deliberate jump on his head changed everything for him. Jevon Clowney (the spelling may be incorrect) destroyed Carson's career.
I did forget about that cheap shot.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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gabisonfan
His concussion caused by the deliberate jump on his head changed everything for him. Jevon Clowney (the spelling may be incorrect) destroyed Carson's career.
I agree. He hasn't been the same mentally since then. He was such a smart player losing that gift may have affected him.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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gabisonfan
His concussion caused by the deliberate jump on his head changed everything for him. Jevon Clowney (the spelling may be incorrect) destroyed Carson's career.
That hit still pisses me off. No penalty either
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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pucknut9
That hit still pisses me off. No penalty either
That guy should have not been in the league immediately after that game.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
Do you think that concussion has changed how Carson has played? How he reads the defense?
I think Sunday the receivers didn't always run the right routes and the offensive line was getting destroyed.
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That hit still pisses me off. No penalty either
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
[QUOTE=KC_Hats;1712743]Do you think that concussion has changed how Carson has played? How he reads the defense?
Hard to say. His time with the Colts was actually decent as he had a good year with the Colts but the national narrative was different. He threw for 3,600 yards with 27tds and 7 ints. Colts I don't believe have had near that production since. That Colts team wasn't as good as people initially thought either. The defense blew some leads and kickers missed FGs to lose games but Wentz took the whole blame. So he did have a good season after that concussion.
I have mentioned this before but I believe there are usually like 5 great QBs in the league that can change a franchise and then there are guys from 6-15 that need a good oline and a good team around them and then they can take you far. Guys like Darnold are in this category and I have always felt Wentz was in this category. These 6-15 guys tend to really struggle with a bad oline. The key for franchises is to not overpay for this level of QB.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
If crazy boomer covid cuck Jim irsay wasn’t a crazy boomer Covid cuck Wentz would still be starting for the colts. It had nothing to do with stats or overall performance.
Instead they have a qb who took himself out of a game defining drive because he was tired lol
