No some of us already stopped paying. For that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by tjbison
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No some of us already stopped paying. For that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by tjbison
Trust me I KNOW!!Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
Just a few years ago and the check book would have really opened up with a move. Not so sure it gets opened up at all now. Longer it takes the less chance mine ever comes back out.Quote:
Originally Posted by tjbison
Like it should have been in the cards when fbs teams stopped scheduling ndsu. I'll just wait and ride this out. Yeah right no way.
Im assuming you have told them the reason I hope?Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
For FBS aspirations, the safest and cleanest way to make it happen is for the MVC publics and Summit football schools (sans WIU) to move into the shell that is CUSA. We'd finally get the all sport FBS conference we've wanted with the Valley/Summit State schools all together. The problem is I think that ship has already sailed as the recent additions to CUSA have signaled expansion to the south. I'd imagine LA Tech is calling many of the shots and they have no desire to venture this far north. Besides, this is only a temporary situation for them as they will call the shots in this new CUSA and then bolt the first chance they get. I can see them inviting MoState as that is still "southern" but I don't think they venture much further north than that right now.
I think the best course of action is to remain vigilant to realistic opportunities and when the opportunity arises the Dakota schools all move together. There is strength in numbers, keeps regional rivalries intact, and keeps the politicians in check as well. There will be opportunities as the NCAA changes and the P4 split eventually happens.
The split is likely not going to happen. With the expansion of the playoffs (with most spots assigned to the P5) why would they need to split? They are already getting everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yote 53
Missouri St already reportedly turned down CUSA. I don't know if the football playing MVC schools would be on board with this anyway. I get the impression they're awful snooty when it comes to their hoops so do they lower themselves to slumming with the Dakota schools in basketball?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yote 53
What playoff expansion? That proposal blew up with the BigXII. Not saying that another one isn’t coming, just saying that there isn’t one now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
I'd like to see proof of this statementQuote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Can you provide some?
Thanks
We are talking about expanding the BCS correct? Not the FCS playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
post 3718 in this thread and surrounding.
Correct. From 4 to 12. I've seen nothing to suggest it isn't happening, so I'd like to see what you are using to make the conclusion that it won't expand. Not syaing you're wrong, just curious what you are using to make that conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
FWIW, Culhane just basically said on 1660 “They’re working on it (FBS), they’ve been working on it for over a year, and they can’t talk about it” – I don’t have a problem with that. I sure as hell don't want them talking about it until things are clear.
They won’t go to CUSA if they can’t improve the TV deal, since as it stands today, CUSA is worse than the MVFC. They also won't go to CUSA unless it has stabilized itself, and FB-only is a no-brainer here
The PAC12 was never on board apparently and at least one more conference bailed on the idea after Oklahoma and Texas left for the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Anyone agree with me yet?
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Originally Posted by nodak651
(Sorry for the duplicate post in a Football forum thread.)
Assume C-USA bleeds out MTSU and WKU to be down to ... three: FIU, LaTech, UTEP.
C-USA has already made advances toward Liberty, NMSU, SHSU, and Jacksonville State. That's seven, but that's still life support. And it's very southern/southwest.
The infamous "SiouxVolley" (RIP) has left our mortal realm, so, I'm left to channel his thoughts.
C-USA can't survive at seven.
Sometimes when it's not there for you you have to build it for yourself (see: Great West). But you need a lot (an FBS lot, because you need an invite) to build on. That's C-USA. Being FBS they can invite FCS to move up (see: SHSU and J-State).
C-USA should form C-USA North: UND, NDSU, UMt, MtSU, USD, SDSU, Idaho. That'd be 14.
If they want 16 find a north and a south team that fits.
Doing that C-USA would survive, a "western MAC" division would be formed (and who knows what comes of that group in say seven to ten years).
This (C-USA at 14 or 16) group would manage costs by conference limits on expenditures and better travel.
SiouxVolley always figured the WAC would be the shell, the path to a northern FBS group, and the Sun Belt would die away.
Well, it looks like the Sun Belt lives, and C-USA is dying and could be the path to an FBS "Great North" (his words).
Fire away.
Agree. The NCAA is toothless right now. They'd grant a waiver and we'd be on our way.Quote:
Originally Posted by nodak651
Yep, because folks representing the Dakotas have a long and successful history of hopping on planes to Indy and getting exactly what they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yote 53
Remember how UN_ messed with NDSU last transition? They don’t get to ride coattails on this one. They are a drag on the current conference, and NDSU owes them zero favors.Quote:
Originally Posted by nodak651
Does that help any holdouts for C-USA? Added benefit to leave UND in the dust and they can wisely let NDSU pay the dummy tax on how to move up again?
Why go all brute force frontal with the NCAA when you can go more subtle and just put your ankle against the power cord keeping C-USA alive and mention that you'd hate to see that plug kicked out of the socket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yote 53
I get the ire, but not MWC, not Big XII, not even MAC, is coming out to the northern plains for one team.Quote:
Originally Posted by I miss Chubs
If there is to be FBS it has to be built by those in the northern plains.
After it's built, that group may again part paths. Que sera sera.
Lol "why don't we just pick up Bikini Bottom, and push it someplace else?!"Quote:
Originally Posted by nodak651
Quit grabbing on our coattails
Yep. 12 team is dead for now. Probably until 2025 when the contract is renewed. The 8 team and 16 team proposals are also DOA.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
The problem is that we're in the middle of a contract, so I believe all parties have to agree to any changes. I think that means at least there are at least 8 or 9 parties* with veto power. That makes it almost impossible to get a change pushed through. But the new contract that starts with the 2025-26 season won't need absolute unanimous agreement, so that's probably when any expansion will happen.
*In no particular order: Pac 12, Big XII, Big 10, SEC, ACC, G5, Notre Dame, ESPN, and probably one or two more I'm missing.
For those keeping score:
- The Rose Bowl won't agree to change their date and they also aren't willing to alter the contract they have with the Big 10 and Pac 12. That complicates any expansion of rounds.
- The Pac 12, Big 10 and ACC aren't happy with the power of ESPN and the SEC and are willing to veto anything that would increase that(like a proposal that makes it likely the SEC would get 3 teams in)
- The SEC doesn't want any proposal that means other conferences could get 2 while the SEC wouldn't be able to get 3(that's why they'll veto any 8 team expansions)
- The G5 want a guaranteed spot plus the possibility of a second
- Notre Dame wants at least 12 so they have a reasonable shot
Some stories from the last couple months:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...n-near-future/
https://www.si.com/college/2021/09/2...uture-12-teams
https://sports.yahoo.com/a-few-key-c...232022782.html
https://theathletic.com/news/college.../FqM2TBm0zt4v/
Given move timelines (exit/enter conferences) ... all the present shuffle is clearly targeting what is coming in 2025.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
Right, but the poster before was talking about the 12-team proposal that was announced this summer. That proposal was designed to be implemented prior to 2025 and went up in smoke after the SEC expansion. Any expansion starting in 2025-26 will be a different plan than the one from this summer. They may be similar, but it will be a new negotiation process.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
For all the reasons you noted above, I didn't expect FBS playoff change until 2025, when the P5 (soon to be P4?) can flex even harder than today and accumulate even more money and power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
That'd be me. My point was that I think it will expand regardless, and if Notre Dame wants it then it will happen for sure ... There was a lot of backlash and anger against SEC/ESPN immediately, but nonetheless I hear very few people now who don't think it will go to 12 at some point. Thanks for the linksQuote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
The motivation to get it done sooner came from the revenue hole and uncertainty created by the pandemic for various parties involved as well as the availability of cheap financing but the window appears to have closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Meh, on Notre Dame’s influence. Maybe if they had a TV partner that was more invested in college football but they don’t. Their best chance was probably now and look at the deal that was on the table for them (never better than the 5th seed). If they’ve got no veto over the next deal I think that only increases the chances they’re forced into a conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
yes I agree with all of this. but they WILL goto 8 team playoff soon I bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
Who all is watching the prime time match up between Miami Ohio-Ohio tonight ? Man I can’t wait to get into the MAC or CUSA so we can play on Tuesdays, or Wednesdays, or Thursdays. Screw playing on weekends because we will always be the big prime time game every week……
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday MACTION for the NEXT 3 WEEKS BABY!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
So we are relying on bandwagon fans to pay the bills???? Our TRUE supporters will never leave and those people are the donors that pay the bills. People who threaten to quit supporting the Bison if we stay FCS are not worth begging then to stay. Hell for example what would Lakes do with his life if he didn’t have the Bison to be a fan of……..?Quote:
Originally Posted by tjbison
USD should probably break 10k in attendance if you really want to be included in the conversation. Honestly you and UND are the extra limbs decaying on the back of SDSU and NDSU. But yes I agree with you NDSU needs partners in this but USD isn’t even close…..Quote:
Originally Posted by Yote 53
Uhhh you absolutely need Bandwagon fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Define a bandwagon fan?
Now define a "TRUE supporter."
NDSU doesn't have enough TRUE fans by any definition to alienate bandwagon fans. And "TRUE supporters" aren't gonna keep throwing money at a program that has been left behind by the few teams who can consistently or effectively challenge NDSU.
Bandwagon fans are absolutely needed. And Bandwagon fans become "TRUE" fans as you call them over time. Or their kids do.
I know it sounds fun to say "Oh we don't need lazy fans! We need loyal fans!" But that aint how the world works. Turns out a dollar is a dollar whether your mom gives it to you or a Somali pirate does.
NDSU will NEVER Be in the MAC. so stop with that strawman argument
It isn't that they will quit supporting the Bison. It is that they are done with FCS. This isn't hard. I'd be happy as punch if the NDSU volleyball team makes the NCAA tourney or if wrestling does well. I should say, I'd be happy as punch if I even hear about it. The fact is, I don't follow those teams or those sports. We have some good high school football in the area as well, but I don't know who's who in terms of record or standing. I don't follow that level of football. Not following a particular sport doesn't make one the enemy of NDSU. It just means they are not interested in FCS football. I just dropped $500 bucks to buy a couple basketball season tickets and I hope to catch most of the games. On the other hand, you could make track and field free for spectators, and I still won't go. And I liked track in high school and I liked following my kids' careers in track. But I've got other things to do than watch events I'm not really interested in presently. I'll pay money for things that matter to me. FCS does not matter to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
If these bandwagon fans are not true loyal fans by now after delivering multiple championships over the last decade I don’t think going FBS is going to keep them interested. I’m supporting NDSU football no matter what division we are in. pERIOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Lol, these guys are not bandwagon, been donating since they graduated so whatever you want to thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
I've heard there are donors who will find a new way to spend their money if NDSU joins CUSA as well. I don't know what the mix is but it's a lose/lose situation either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by tjbison
The Conference Commissioners and Notre Dame’s Athletic Director are scheduled to meet Wednesday to discuss the Expansion of the playoffs.
The Alliance or ACC, B1G 10, & PAC 12 are going to push for A 8 team playoff with the Conference champions getting automatic bids. I think that it is stupid to have automatic bids for conference champions because you could have A #25 ranked Oregon getting in over several one loss teams last season.
The other Conferences including The SEC, Big 12, Notre Dame, & the Group of 5 conferences are all for the 12 team playoff system that was proposed earlier this year. The 6 Top ranked conference champions would get Automatic bids and the other 6 spots would be selected by a committee.
The proposed 12 team playoff system has the Top 4 teams getting 1sr round byes. The other teams without byes would see the higher seeed teams getting a home playoff game. I would think the 4 teams getting the 1st round byes would want home playoff games as well.
A representative for 43 bowl games wants the bowl games to be used for the playoffs. Notre Dame has made an offer that they cannot be seeded any higher than 5th, even if they are undefeated and ranked 1st in the polls. This is to offset the lack of a conference championship game.
Which would you rather see? I am totally against the 8 team playoff system and automatic bids for conference champions. Now the 12 team playoff system has a better plan and if the PAC 12 cannot get a team into the playoffs that is their fault. The Former PAC 12 commissioner made a statement about the 12 team playoff system “ It just means 4 or 5 SEC teams will get into the playoffs”.
Look at the current teams and use both the 8 and 12 team playoff system and see which teams would get in.