A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by heffray

Because there’s nothing else to do up in El Forko…

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u can eat at ground round bro

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Originally Posted by Kevin

u can eat at ground round bro

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But you gotta keep your mind occupied while you wait for your chicken tortilla soup to arrive…

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Originally Posted by taper

What does this have to do with FBS and Title IX at all?

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You brought up Title IX lawsuits.
The origin of them was UND fixing its budget issues circa 2016, and doing it in a way that the suits were dismissed by the courts.
You'd rather UND have not fixed its budgets back then?

Those who didn't fix issues in 2016 are being forced to do it now.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Yep, I will say though that the budget shortfall is probably a bigger hurdle. Maybe not even from a material standpoint but cutting programs, positions, consolidating colleges and then going on to say that hey we're going to spend more money and take the holy football program FBS would give the Forum fodder for a decade. Especially if we went without UND.

Of course if we were FBS, we'd also have some large increases to revenue to offset most of the increased expenses. And there's the reality that vast majority of our athletic department is self-funded and money spent there is probably the best investment we can make from the marketing, branding and exposure aspects. But we all know the Forum, Gaptooth, DUI Porterhouse, etc. wouldn't let that get in the way of getting in some blows on the NDSU pinata.

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I don’t think we can delay an AAC invite if one came today. Need to take it while it is available. Yes if we are really worried about image we would be better off getting that invite in a year or two. Can the fanbase survive in that time? Yes

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

You brought up Title IX lawsuits.
The origin of them was UND fixing its budget issues circa 2016, and doing it in a way that the suits were dismissed by the courts.
You'd rather UND have not fixed its budgets back then?

Those who didn't fix issues in 2016 are being forced to do it now.

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I brought up the lawsuits because you keep bringing up fake news about NDSU's Title IX problems. They don't exist.
NDSU didn't have significant budget issues in 2016 because we didn't join a conference two time zones away in a desperate attempt to keep a racist nickname.
Your problems aren't our problems. Stop projecting.

At Nevada they sponsor more women's sports than men's..That balances things out pretty well..

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Originally Posted by nodak651

If NDSU moved to the AAC, how would that affect the WDAY contract and associated revenue, which flows through learfield? I haven't seen this mentioned, but does ESPN3 have exclusive rights to all AAC games, even if they aren't on linear TV? I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, and I don't know how much WDAY is paying Learfield for the rights, but I would think that Learfield would probably consider that a diminishing event. Anyone know how the G5 TV contracts typically address local tv? Do schools in CUSA give up local tv rights for only 800K?

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Yes, though the vast majority of games not on linear TV are carried on ESPN+, which is actually preferable to ESPN3. It looks like they are slowly killing off the ESPN3 product, it gets the lower tier games now.

ESPN gets full exclusive rights to all games in their G5 contracts with MAC, SBC and AAC. There is no Learfield type arrangement allowed, and they require all these games to be produced to ESPN standards. Some of the games they choose to sub-license to other networks like NFL Network and CBSSN. They do this quite a bit with the MAC and SBC, and also sometimes the AAC games. Basically, ESPN *IS* Learfield in these agreements and is the primary rights holder who decides on the distribution channels.

We better *hope* there are exit clauses in the Learfield deal, and they don't have to be bought out or get a slice of the revenue, because otherwise we'll be making even less than the rest of the conference we join.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

I don’t think we can delay an AAC invite if one came today. Need to take it while it is available. Yes if we are really worried about image we would be better off getting that invite in a year or two. Can the fanbase survive in that time? Yes

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Yeah there’s no way we’d defer, delay anything if the AAC invite came. You accept that every day of the week and twice on sundays.

I think everyone including admin can handle media doing media things, but no president wants to make an enemy of his faculty. And you also have to be careful of the reputation in the academic realm of the athletic department running the school vs the other way around.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Yes, though the vast majority of games not on linear TV are carried on ESPN+, which is actually preferable to ESPN3. It looks like they are slowly killing off the ESPN3 product, it gets the lower tier games now.

ESPN gets full exclusive rights to all games in their G5 contracts with MAC, SBC and AAC. There is no Learfield type arrangement allowed, and they require all these games to be produced to ESPN standards. Some of the games they choose to sub-license to other networks like NFL Network and CBSSN. They do this quite a bit with the MAC and SBC, and also sometimes the AAC games. Basically, ESPN *IS* Learfield in these agreements and is the primary rights holder who decides on the distribution channels.

We better *hope* there are exit clauses in the Learfield deal, and they don't have to be bought out or get a slice of the revenue, because otherwise we'll be making even less than the rest of the conference we join.

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If the goal was to critique Larson, this would be an area to explore. Are the existing deals conducive with a move?

And appreciate the balance the AD has to find selling the product currently while creating outs for a possible move.

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Originally Posted by taper

NDSU didn't have significant budget issues in 2016

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There were definitely budget issues at the time with the state mandated cuts. However the administration at the time chose to make small changes and kick the can, hoping the problems would self-correct. Turns out they didn't which is why they are where they are today.