A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by Bison Dan

Remind everyone how many presidents und when through in the last 15 years?

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I'll go 2009 to date.

Kelley, Kennedy, Armacost. (Schafer was interim.)

NDSU?

Chapman, Bresciani, Cook. (Hanson was interim.)

But NDSU does lead 1-0 on "email deletion investigations of the president by the NDAG" in that timeframe. (And yes "bison audit", it seems the AG's office used that as a "learning experience" in not a good way.)

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

I'll go 2009 to date.

Kelley, Kennedy, Armacost. (Schafer was interim.)

NDSU?

Chapman, Bresciani, Cook. (Hanson was interim.)

But NDSU does lead 1-0 on "email deletion investigations of the president by the NDAG" in that timeframe. (And yes "bison audit", it seems the AG's office used that as a "learning experience" in not a good way.)

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That's a bit misleading considering that Chapman resigned in 2009 and Cook has been in the role for less than a year. Essentially Bresciani has been the President at NDSU for the entirety of the timeframe you defined. Kelley from 09 to 16, Kennedy 16-19 and Armacost 19-present.

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Originally Posted by taper

There's that strawman again. I'm sure you think I'm one of them, but that's absolutely not true. I've never said DB was a good president. He may have been the best we could get at the time though. The Chapman/Taylor combo was a once in a lifetime event that most schools never get at all. You can't use them as your baseline.
Another thing you appear to be completely unable to comprehend is that without an invite FBS is a bad move. Without an invite staying FCS is most definitely the right thing to do. You take DB's comments out of context and focus on what you want to hear so you have a person to blame instead of the larger situation.

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It's not a strawman. It's based on the reality that there is a large segment of this fanbase that are fearful of failing just like DB was. And in turn they fail by not even trying. If you want to put yourself in that category, so be it. I'm just calling a spade a spade. There's no strawman about any of that. There is a path to the FBS now. NDSU just doesn't particularly like it. However, that path will become more and more attractive with every season of growing fan apathy.

If Chapman/Taylor are a "unicorn" than we might as well shut down the entire University. That is some completely revisionary bullshit. Chapman and Taylor both did a lot of great things for the University but they were by no means perfect. There are always varying levels of performance from people but If I based my decisions on resigning myself to the average than I would be just that, average. Psychology is a powerful thing and once something has shown to be possible it damn well can be repeated and eventually exceeded. I will never, ever see it from your perspective that we have to settle for less because it is difficult to exceed previous performances. That is some downright weak mentality.

You can do it Larson and cook, just believe in yourselves little fellas! Lol

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

But they are playing Tennessee State either next year or year after.

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Next year. Believe the reasoning was ND's coach and TSU's coach are friends, easy to sell to the AD to schedule a HBCU.

First FCS game ever for the Irish.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

You can do it Larson and cook, just believe in yourselves little fellas! Lol

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So the current situation is acceptable to you?

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

So the current situation is acceptable to you?

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Nope, not even close. But neither is the Little Engine that Could bullshit.

Name another school that in anyway has been in NDSU's predicament. I'm guessing you won't need more than 1 finger to add that up. "GSU, JMU, App State etc blah blah"...no, not even close to the same situation and we all know why. That isolation is a bitch.

Sucks dick, yup for sure. There's a reason it hasn't been done by BOTH SIDES, because it ain't gonna be easy for anyone involved, even with the little engine that could bullshit group think attitude "OMG we can do it, if we try". Welcome to the real world of college athletics where your throat will be slit as soon as you turn your back.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Nope, not even close. But neither is the Little Engine that Could bullshit.

Name another school that in anyway has been in NDSU's predicament. I'm guessing you won't need more than 1 finger to add that up. "GSU, JMU, App State etc blah blah"...no, not even close to the same situation and we all know why. That isolation is a bitch.

Sucks dick, yup for sure. There's a reason it hasn't been done by BOTH SIDES, because it ain't gonna be easy for anyone involved, even with the little engine that could bullshit group think attitude "OMG we can do it, if we try". Welcome to the real world of college athletics where your throat will be slit as soon as you turn your back.

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The defeatist bullshit got us here so I guess I don’t have any patience for it. Geography is a bitch but there’s a path now. We just don’t like it. The bad part of that is they played their hand with the IPF and used up a whole shitload of donor money that won’t move us any closer to FBS, doesn’t seem to be helping much on the player retainment front, isn’t combating fan apathy and does almost nothing to improve basketball. The “little engine that could” mentality as you call it is what’s built NDSU. You can continue to give up and I’ll continue to advocate for more.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

The defeatist bullshit got us here so I guess I don’t have any patience for it. Geography is a bitch but there’s a path now. We just don’t like it. The bad part of that is they played their hand with the IPF and used up a whole shitload of donor money that won’t move us any closer to FBS, doesn’t seem to be helping much on the player retainment front, isn’t combating fan apathy and does almost nothing to improve basketball. The “little engine that could” mentality as you call it is what’s built NDSU. You can continue to give up and I’ll continue to advocate for more.

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Ok. What’s the path and where’s the invite from? Sorry. The CUSA doesn’t do anything for most of the fanbase. The move has to move the needle.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Ok. What’s the path and where’s the invite from? Sorry. The CUSA doesn’t do anything for most of the fanbase. The move has to move the needle.

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It does move the needle, just not for you. It’s not about you or me individually. It’s about continuing to build the fanbase and engagement. CUSA might not be the perfect situation but it is better than the FCS. If there’s no FBS then basketball is the only other option. I think that’s a tougher sell than CUSA.