Montana state playoff game

If all that hadn't happened we wouldn't have been treated to one of the best all time coaching meltdowns when Monken had to take TWO timeouts for the exact same formation and still failed to stop it.

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Originally Posted by LITTLEGUYSINGREEN

Plus helped out by personal foul penalty to keep the drive going. If ManBearPig wouldn't have lost his cool, there would have been no trip to Frisco that year.

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Also had the aid of another PF on the punt return to start that drive on an academy award caliber performance from #29 AJ Van Voorhis. :rofl:

https://youtu.be/pnY2BE3_uCw?t=18m33s

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Originally Posted by GSUsTALON

ALPHAGRIZ1 "Bottom line is Jerrick McKinnon couldn't get it done in the Fargo Doom, and that Georgia Southern team is light years ahead of this cat team.
McKinnon is a much more explosive player than Anderson ever will be."


If you look back at the stats McKinnon did get it done. NDSU used the same defensive plan they used the year before taking the dive and pitch. GSUs QB Jabo Shaw made the right calls but was neither quick to the line or fast enough once he made the line to make any yardage while McKinnon was.

That game was close. GSU made 2 defensive back to back 15 yard penalties and lost a fumble. Thats on GSU and you deserved the win.

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That DT of yours was a knucklehead. He lost the game imho.

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Originally Posted by westnodak93bison

That DT of yours was a knucklehead. He lost the game imho.

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I was thinking that as I watched the clip. Even pushing after the game was over. Stupid

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Originally Posted by tony

If I had to bet, I'd take the over on Andersen getting a 100 yards rushing. Hopefully, I'd lose that bet.

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You could very well be right. He is bound to make a couple of big plays. In the end, I don't think it will matter.

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Originally Posted by ALPHAGRIZ1

I'm not dissing Anderson, he's a good player but he had 23 carries for 107 yards against us......... Our defense sucks and aside from Buss and Olson we have no speed.

You guys are 2 times better defensively, and you scheme better and have elite athletes. I would guess Anderson gets half of his total he had against us. If he gets anywhere near a 100 it's in junk time when you guys are up 30+ and Klieman takes his foot off the gas.

He will also have less time to get there because of your long time consuming drives.



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You know Stick, Shepherd et. al have been screwing up this dynamic a bit this year it seems. Plenty of three and four play "drives". Too lazy to research it but I would bet our TOP ratio is nearer 50:50 this year than what seems more like 60:40 in years past. It's terrible, just terrible.

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Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison

You know Stick, Shepherd et. al have been screwing up this dynamic a bit this year it seems. Plenty of three and four play "drives". Too lazy to research it but I would bet our TOP ratio is nearer 50:50 this year than what seems more like 60:40 in years past. It's terrible, just terrible.

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NDSU's average TOP this year is 32 minutes on the button. That's the lowest it's been since 2011. Everybody panic!!!

EDIT: I guess 2016 it was 31:51. Resume panicking!!!

Just throwing this out there (sorta thread related)—-still tickets available? I bought 3 this morning and just checked a few minutes ago and could still get as many as I wanted on the sideline? Come on Bison fans buy these flippin tickets!

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Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison

You know Stick, Shepherd et. al have been screwing up this dynamic a bit this year it seems. Plenty of three and four play "drives". Too lazy to research it but I would bet our TOP ratio is nearer 50:50 this year than what seems more like 60:40 in years past. It's terrible, just terrible.

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After an exhausting 30 seconds of research:

2018---32-28
2017---33.43-26.17
2016---31.51-28.09
2015---36.39-23.21

Andersen could run for 150 and 2 TDs and that doesn't mean we don't lose by 21.

This game really boils down to two things:

#1 - We have to get some semblance of a passing game going so NDSU just doesn't load the box all game. Hell NDSU might load the box all game anyway even if we hit a few big passing plays.
#2 - We have to be +2 in turnovers. NDSU doesn't cough the ball up, so this is also likely not going to happen. But after playing the first 7 games without recovering a fumble, MSU has forced 11 in the last 5 games two go with 3 picks.

I don't think our banged up defense can get enough stops without creating turnovers. And the offense can't score enough without a short field.

We get a starter in the secondary back it looks like, our two starting DTs should be healthy after not hardly playing against UIW, so we get some guys back that we didn't have against Incarnate Word. But I just don't think it will be enough. We do go a legit 2 deep along the DL so I'm hoping the boys won't get ground into paste by the 4th quarter.

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Originally Posted by tony

If I had to bet, I'd take the over on Andersen getting a 100 yards rushing. Hopefully, I'd lose that bet.

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Definitely. Bruce is going to get his yards for sure! ;)

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Originally Posted by I miss Chubs

If NDSU hadn’t roughed the kicker on the GSU punt the game would have closed out much earlier.

Mixed emotions with that- did make it one of the most exciting endings to watch.


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We didn't rough that kicker. We ran into the kicker and it should have been a 5 yarder.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

I've already said as much in this thread or another but I'll say it again. I like the Anderson(spelling?) kid a lot as a tough sob and talented football player but I don't see him being anywhere near as affectu e against the Bison D as he has been in other games.

After watching Choate's press conference I really like him a lot and think he's on the right track to build a solid program there. Unless of course we steal him away when Klieman leaves ;)

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I got the sense from his presser that this is what he is angling for.

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Originally Posted by CelticCat

Andersen could run for 150 and 2 TDs and that doesn't mean we don't lose by 21.

This game really boils down to two things:

#1 - We have to get some semblance of a passing game going so NDSU just doesn't load the box all game. Hell NDSU might load the box all game anyway even if we hit a few big passing plays.
#2 - We have to be +2 in turnovers. NDSU doesn't cough the ball up, so this is also likely not going to happen. But after playing the first 7 games without recovering a fumble, MSU has forced 11 in the last 5 games two go with 3 picks.

I don't think our banged up defense can get enough stops without creating turnovers. And the offense can't score enough without a short field.

We get a starter in the secondary back it looks like, our two starting DTs should be healthy after not hardly playing against UIW, so we get some guys back that we didn't have against Incarnate Word. But I just don't think it will be enough. We do go a legit 2 deep along the DL so I'm hoping the boys won't get ground into paste by the 4th quarter.

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I think it is safe to say this is the best defense you will have faced all year. Your Qb and our #42 will become game long acquaintances. The line puts on a very good pass rush and goes 2 deep without a drop-off. The box will be loaded and you will be forced to pass.

The O-line can also go 2 deep and we will be using 4 running backs and Qb who can run and pass. Watch #20 and the tight ends when you try to stop the run. If you don't go 2 deep on the D-line I would be surprised if by the middle of the 3rd quarter those 2 and 3-yard runs don't start becoming 5 and 6.

Prediction: Montana State tries 2 of 3; fake punt, fake kick, on-side kick. They will pull out all the stops in this one.

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Originally Posted by KNOW IT ALL

Prediction: Montana State tries 2 of 3; fake punt, fake kick, on-side kick. They will pull out all the stops in this one.

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I understand why teams do this sort of thing, because frankly sometimes a team has to do whatever it can do to get a W against the Bison. However, this drives me nuts as a football fan when I see teams try this stuff too early in a game. I'm a believer in field position, and when you play the Bison, sometimes the field position battle is a big deal. Don't get cute and try a fake punt when it's the 2nd quarter and you're on your own 30. Or going for a 4th & 2 from midfield early in the game. To me, it's like a white flag is getting waved already. Stick to your plan, play field position, hope for a bounce to go your way.

I was trying to remember the last time the Bison have had to do some kind of a trick play and the one that came to mind was Smith's end around against the Jackrabbits.

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

NDSU's average TOP this year is 32 minutes on the button. That's the lowest it's been since 2011. Everybody panic!!!

EDIT: I guess 2016 it was 31:51. Resume panicking!!!

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I may be off base here, but it seems that Easton doesn't let the play clock run down like Carson and Brock did. Those extra 5-10 seconds add up.

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Originally Posted by 14>1

I understand why teams do this sort of thing, because frankly sometimes a team has to do whatever it can do to get a W against the Bison. However, this drives me nuts as a football fan when I see teams try this stuff too early in a game. I'm a believer in field position, and when you play the Bison, sometimes the field position battle is a big deal. Don't get cute and try a fake punt when it's the 2nd quarter and you're on your own 30. Or going for a 4th & 2 from midfield early in the game. To me, it's like a white flag is getting waved already. Stick to your plan, play field position, hope for a bounce to go your way.

I was trying to remember the last time the Bison have had to do some kind of a trick play and the one that came to mind was Smith's end around against the Jackrabbits.

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Im suprised most all teams dont try more fakes etc.. more often. If run properly a lot of fake punts and kicks succeed even when snuffed out. I especially like fakes anytime outside your own 40. A successful fake turns a game around like none other, Bohl swung a lot of games in the Bison direction off well timed fakes.

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Originally Posted by Uffda

I may be off base here, but it seems that Easton doesn't let the play clock run down like Carson and Brock did. Those extra 5-10 seconds add up.

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I can be difficult to build TOP with 3 to 5 plays per score...or that is my perception.

Has anyone did a Average # plays per score?

Every year this stuff makes me laugh and I'm not even a Bison fan!

"But, our QB"
"But our defense"
"But our running back"
"But just because we lost by 35 doesn't mean we are not close to being a NC contender"

Yes it does.

If I as a Griz fan am sick of reading this stuff on Bisonville, I can only imagine what you guys feel like.

It's really fucking funny and really really sad that other teams just don't shut up, lose big and quit looking like asshats every year.........but the cat have that little brother thing going on so...........NDSU gets what it's like when dealing with UND and its the same thing here. "Better start lifting weights"







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Originally Posted by ALPHAGRIZ1

Every year this stuff makes me laugh and I'm not even a Bison fan!

"But, our QB"
"But our defense"
"But our running back"
"But just because we lost by 35 doesn't mean we are not close to being a NC contender"

Yes it does.

If I as a Griz fan am sick of reading this stuff on Bisonville, I can only imagine what you guys feel like.

It's really fucking funny and really really sad that other teams just don't shut up, lose big and quit looking like asshats every year.........but the cat have that little brother thing going on so...........NDSU gets what it's like when dealing with UND and its the same thing here. "Better start lifting weights"







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I think we have pretty much heard it all. It usually goes "You have never seen a (fill in the blank) like we have".

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Originally Posted by Vet70

I think we have pretty much heard it all. It usually goes "You have never seen a (fill in the blank) like we have".

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I will always be a fan of southern speed. And of course killer bands

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Originally Posted by Vet70

I think we have pretty much heard it all. It usually goes "You have never seen a (fill in the blank) like we have".

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I've always been amused with how fast NDSU's opponents are going to be.....and then, the actually game is played and the super hero fast opponents turn out to be fairly mortal. Either that, or NDSU isn't too shabby on the speed themselves.

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Originally Posted by 14>1

I understand why teams do this sort of thing, because frankly sometimes a team has to do whatever it can do to get a W against the Bison. However, this drives me nuts as a football fan when I see teams try this stuff too early in a game. I'm a believer in field position, and when you play the Bison, sometimes the field position battle is a big deal. Don't get cute and try a fake punt when it's the 2nd quarter and you're on your own 30. Or going for a 4th & 2 from midfield early in the game. To me, it's like a white flag is getting waved already. Stick to your plan, play field position, hope for a bounce to go your way.

I was trying to remember the last time the Bison have had to do some kind of a trick play and the one that came to mind was Smith's end around against the Jackrabbits.

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I don't know that I'd put that play in the had to run category. That game was won handily. I'd go back to the 2011 Championship game and go with the fake punt there in the category of had to run trick play.

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Originally Posted by StL Bison Fan

I will always be a fan of southern speed. And of course killer bands

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I don't know if anything will ever top #ButtBama

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Originally Posted by Vet70

I think we have pretty much heard it all. It usually goes "You have never seen a (fill in the blank) like we have".

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I've always been amused with how fast NDSU's opponents are going to be.....and then, the actually game is played and the super hero fast opponents turn out to be fairly mortal. Either that, or NDSU isn't too shabby on the speed themselves.

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This is where I'm at too. Every playoff game for the past 8 years has been opponents saying how good X player is and why we haven't seen anyone like it before and that it is why they'll beat us. Then they get mad when we don't give them the proper respect. And then we beat them. One team in 8 years has been able to put their money where their mouth is. Yet we're the bad guys.

Mckinnon is up there with woffords Breitenstein,Goedert/Weineke and David Johnson in players where i thought ndsus D was outmatched against.


If TA even comes close to this tier..ill be surprised.

There are actually some very rational posters on the Cat board and then you run into things like this several times:

"I think that we can confidently say NDSU DOES NOT want to play us Saturday...to me that is a huge testament to how this team has come together and is playing."

This is what I call "Whistling past the graveyard".

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Originally Posted by ALPHAGRIZ1

Every year this stuff makes me laugh and I'm not even a Bison fan!

"But, our QB"
"But our defense"
"But our running back"
"But just because we lost by 35 doesn't mean we are not close to being a NC contender"

Yes it does.

If I as a Griz fan am sick of reading this stuff on Bisonville, I can only imagine what you guys feel like.

It's really fucking funny and really really sad that other teams just don't shut up, lose big and quit looking like asshats every year.........but the cat have that little brother thing going on so...........NDSU gets what it's like when dealing with UND and its the same thing here. "Better start lifting weights"







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Its bad. Especially with sam houston fans. But they calmed down after the 3rd beatdown in Fargo...then last yr we saw pretty much none of it for the semis. "A few playmakers on the outside
" to make us think but they lost by 45 and all was forgotten

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Mckinnon is up there with woffords Breitenstein,Goedert/Weineke and David Johnson in players where i thought ndsus D was outmatched against.


If TA even comes close to this tier..ill be surprised.

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He wont, he didn't even dominate the BSC........ Think about that for a second

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Maybe, just maybe none of the above mentioned teams "have never seen nothing like NDSU"!

#MaybeJustMaybe
#6TimesGoingOn7
#PleaseBuyAClueWithYourBuyoutMoney

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Originally Posted by KNOW IT ALL

Im suprised most all teams dont try more fakes etc.. more often. If run properly a lot of fake punts and kicks succeed even when snuffed out. I especially like fakes anytime outside your own 40. A successful fake turns a game around like none other, Bohl swung a lot of games in the Bison direction off well timed fakes.

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Bohl, really? I remember one fake punt.

I don't agree with you on the fakes thing. I'd rather just see a team line up and run a play then if they're going to try something crazy on 4th down. I know Audit is a big fan of going for it on 4th down more often, I'm kind of on the fence about it.

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Originally Posted by Vet70

I think we have pretty much heard it all. It usually goes "You have never seen a (fill in the blank) like we have".

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To be fair, Bison fans are guilty of the same stuff.

The only difference is that it’s actually true most of the time.


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Originally Posted by G_Funky

To be fair, Bison fans are guilty of the same stuff.

The only difference is that it’s actually true most of the time.


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I don't feel like being fair.

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Originally Posted by G_Funky

To be fair, Bison fans are guilty of the same stuff.

The only difference is that it’s actually true most of the time.


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And I would say that most Bison fans say something like "You have never seen a TEAM like ours". That's the difference between NDSU and the field. While we have some exceptional individual players, which were most recently recognized and named to post season teams/player awards, they make up a team full of winners.

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Originally Posted by 14>1

Bohl, really? I remember one fake punt.

I don't agree with you on the fakes thing. I'd rather just see a team line up and run a play then if they're going to try something crazy on 4th down. I know Audit is a big fan of going for it on 4th down more often, I'm kind of on the fence about it.

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I think we also had one in the championship game against SHSU. But that and the one you mentioned(Drago?) is all I can remember.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

I think we also had one in the championship game against SHSU. But that and the one you mentioned(Drago?) is all I can remember.

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Ah, good call. I remembered the SHSU one, but totally forgot about the Drago one out of the end zone. I stand corrected. Correct me if I'm wrong though, didn't that Drago one come pretty early in a game against a non conference opponent that we steam rolled? Was it at a moment that the tide needed to be turned? I would absolutely agree with the SHSU one being a ginormous turning point in that game.

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Ah, good call. I remembered the SHSU one, but totally forgot about the Drago one out of the end zone. I stand corrected. Correct me if I'm wrong though, didn't that Drago one come pretty early in a game against a non conference opponent that we steam rolled? Was it at a moment that the tide needed to be turned? I would absolutely agree with the SHSU one being a ginormous turning point in that game.

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Seemed to me like the Drago fake and the Voigtlander fake were not called by the coaches but more on the players in that they were so open you basically had to. now, the fake FG at Montana...gotta think that was called.

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Originally Posted by Hardrocker

I can be difficult to build TOP with 3 to 5 plays per score...or that is my perception.

Has anyone did a Average # plays per score?

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357 plays to score 65 times. 5.5 plays per average score.

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Originally Posted by coloradobison

Seemed to me like the Drago fake and the Voigtlander fake were not called by the coaches but more on the players in that they were so open you basically had to. now, the fake FG at Montana...gotta think that was called.

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Certainly helped having Voight back there to make that audible, being a former RB and all. Ha, that Drago post game interview with him and his shoulder wrapped in ice, classic Drago. And dang, I must really be slipping, I didn't remember the fake FG at Montana either.