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Originally Posted by
1st&TennBison
The Summit league is basically a bunch of FCS level schools. Why would the lets go FBS now lovers want only football to move to bigger and better things and leave the rest of the sports behind. If the football team moved to the MAC or the MWC why would we want the others to be left behind by not bringing them along. Don't the FBS now lovers think that what is good for football is good for all the schools sports??????? After all, if it's good for football it must be equally as good for the other athletics to go to a MAC or MWC, why not make NDSU a super power in all sports.
RPI for these leagues in basketball last year:
Summit #19
MAC #17
Sun Belt #15
Mountain West #3 (Shocking to me)
Not a significant difference, considering Denver and Oral Roberts should strengthen the Summit League.
Football is the only sport with subdivisions, so the FCS analogy does not work here. Actually, moving to FBS would bring the football team UP to the other sports, which are already competing nationally with the top leagues in the country when it comes to postseason play.
Football, like wrestling, is already playing in a conference not named the Summit League. I don't see the need to move the other sports, unless it is an absolute requirement made by an inviting conference. Most on here speculate that is the case, but Idaho's situation contradicts that, at least for the Sun Belt.
As I stated in my post with this question: Other than basketball, does any significant percentage of Bison fans care who the volleyball, soccer, golf, track, etc... teams compete against? I don't believe the percentage is very high at all.
The Summit League is a good fit for all sports currently playing in it.
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Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read
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Originally Posted by
1st&TennBison
The Summit league is basically a bunch of FCS level schools. Why would the lets go FBS now lovers want only football to move to bigger and better things and leave the rest of the sports behind. If the football team moved to the MAC or the MWC why would we want the others to be left behind by not bringing them along. Don't the FBS now lovers think that what is good for football is good for all the schools sports??????? After all, if it's good for football it must be equally as good for the other athletics to go to a MAC or MWC, why not make NDSU a super power in all sports.
thats assuming our other sports are as good as football which they are not
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Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read
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Originally Posted by
ndsubison1
thats assuming our other sports are as good as football which they are not
softball?....
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Originally Posted by
BraxtonT
RPI for these leagues in basketball last year:
Summit #19
MAC #17
Sun Belt #15
Mountain West #3 (Shocking to me)
Not a significant difference, considering Denver and Oral Roberts should strengthen the Summit League.
Football is the only sport with subdivisions, so the FCS analogy does not work here. Actually, moving to FBS would bring the football team UP to the other sports, which are already competing nationally with the top leagues in the country when it comes to postseason play.
Football, like wrestling, is already playing in a conference not named the Summit League. I don't see the need to move the other sports, unless it is an absolute requirement made by an inviting conference. Most on here speculate that is the case, but Idaho's situation contradicts that, at least for the Sun Belt.
As I stated in my post with this question: Other than basketball, does any significant percentage of Bison fans care who the volleyball, soccer, golf, track, etc... teams compete against? I don't believe the percentage is very high at all.
The Summit League is a good fit for all sports currently playing in it.
I am on the fence with a desire to move to fbs, but I have always wanted us to be in the same conference for all sports. It just makes good business sense. Marketing dollars can be pooled to showcase a conference which transcends all the schools and the sports because the conference identity becomes as important as the individual schools. From a rivalry stamping it makes sense. Rivalries during conference play that develop will carry over to other sports making them automatically more appealing. We have very nice rivalries developing in football that end when the football season ends. SDSU is not only a natural rivalry because of proximity but also because we play them in every sport.
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Originally Posted by
roadwarrior
How many schools in the MAC and MWC conferences are football only members?
umass and hawaii
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Originally Posted by
PaBizon
Dude, you still miffed at being wrong about MAC teams being on National tv?
No. He didn't really answer the question that was asked. He simply researched how many MAC games were on TV. Big f'n deal. Other than NIU, I'm guessing that not many MAC teams played MORE games than NDSU on National TV. If they did, it was on a Tuesday night. Once again, Big f'n deal.
The argument that the MAC provides more "exposure" is laughable. The B1G and the Big 12 look at MAC programs as a joke. Why would we want to be there?
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Originally Posted by
NorthernBison
No. He didn't really answer the question that was asked. He simply researched how many MAC games were on TV. Big f'n deal. Other than NIU, I'm guessing that not many MAC teams played MORE games than NDSU on National TV. If they did, it was on a Tuesday night. Once again, Big f'n deal.
The argument that the MAC provides more "exposure" is laughable. The B1G and the Big 12 look at MAC programs as a joke. Why would we want to be there?
so what do they look at the FCS as?
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Originally Posted by
MNLonghorn10
so what do they look at the FCS as?
Not much different. Thanks for illustrating my point. When the lowly Gophers start respecting the MAC, call me.
I'm simply not in favor of doubling our budget for nothing.
FYI, you should also remember that a move to FBS affects the entire school. Not just the Athletic Department. While there are some potential positives to student recruitment, President Bresciani knows that going to Bismarck and asking for any money or tuition increases after a FBS move would be suicidal. Anybody with even the most rudimentary understanding of how Bismarck works knows that.
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Originally Posted by
NorthernBison
Not much different. Thanks for illustrating my point. When the lowly Gophers start respecting the MAC, call me.
I'm simply not in favor of doubling our budget for nothing.
FYI, you should also remember that a move to FBS affects the entire school. Not just the Athletic Department. While there are some potential positives to student recruitment, President Bresciani knows that going to Bismarck and asking for any money or tuition increases after a FBS move would be suicidal. Anybody with even the most rudimentary understanding of how Bismarck works knows that.
lol @ not much different.
Sorry, its MUCH different.
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Originally Posted by
MNLonghorn10
lol @ not much different.
Sorry, its MUCH different.
Sorry. No respect is no respect.
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You're right the Big Ten looks at the MAC as teams they can beat. They look at FCS teams as more of a challenge which is why they don't want to play FCS teams anymore ;)
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Originally Posted by
NorthernBison
Sorry. No respect is no respect.
Lots of personal opinion trying to pass off as facts in your posts.
the Gophers hired their head coach from a MAC school...that must mean they show some respect, no?
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Originally Posted by
MNLonghorn10
Lots of personal opinion trying to pass off as facts in your posts.
the Gophers hired their head coach from a MAC school...that must mean they show some respect, no?
This whole thread is mostly about opinion.
The only thing I'm absolutely sure of that borders on FACT is that people in favor of moving up to FBS now better have the money ready. The people of North Dakota are not looking for more places to spend money. When it comes to State money, I believe the LAST place it will go is to anything to do with Athletics. There are, literally, Billions of dollars needed for infrastructure out West.
In case you haven't checked lately, the profit projections for farmers in 2014 have a ton of red ink in them. It could be that way for a few years. THat kind of thing has a real tendency to trickle down in this area regardless of how some people think Fargo's economy is buffered. Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by
MNLonghorn10
Lots of personal opinion trying to pass off as facts in your posts.
the Gophers hired their head coach from a MAC school...that must mean they show some respect, no?
And the Buckeyes hired their previous head coach from an FCS school....
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Originally Posted by
NorthernBison
No. He didn't really answer the question that was asked. He simply researched how many MAC games were on TV. Big f'n deal. Other than NIU, I'm guessing that not many MAC teams played MORE games than NDSU on National TV. If they did, it was on a Tuesday night. Once again, Big f'n deal.
The argument that the MAC provides more "exposure" is laughable. The B1G and the Big 12 look at MAC programs as a joke. Why would we want to be there?
The MAC may not offer more exposure than the top FCS team for that particular year, but what about when we miss the playoffs entirely? Does a mid level MAC team get more exposure than a mid level MVFC team?
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Originally Posted by
No_Skill
The MAC may not offer more exposure than the top FCS team for that particular year, but what about when we miss the playoffs entirely? Does a mid level MAC team get more exposure than a mid level MVFC team?
I can't argue with that.
If the product we put on the field is not "FCS Playoff Worthy" then our 19,000 seat facility will be more than adequate and we certainly wouldn't be a middle of the pack MAC team.
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This is post #377 on this subject. I've read them all and I still have the same opinion. Low level FBS for football is NOT a move up and there are no playoffs. I like where we are.
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Originally Posted by
No_Skill
The MAC may not offer more exposure than the top FCS team for that particular year, but what about when we miss the playoffs entirely? Does a mid level MAC team get more exposure than a mid level MVFC team?
I think mid-level MAC teams get more exposure than any MVFC team not named NDSU combined.
The MVFC has a middle of the pack media deal in the FCS. CAA, Big Sky, MEAC, SWAC, Ivy and Patriot all have superior TV deals. Patty V needs to step it up.
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Originally Posted by
MNLonghorn10
Lots of personal opinion trying to pass off as facts in your posts.
the Gophers hired their head coach from a MAC school...that must mean they show some respect, no?
Respect for Coach---conference. Those two can be mutually exclusive. FYI.
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What are everyone's thoughts on the idea of NDSU moving up to FBS? Also, please explain your stance on UND and NDSU playing football in the future.
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Originally Posted by
runtheoption
What are everyone's thoughts on the idea of NDSU moving up to FBS? Also, please explain your stance on UND and NDSU playing football in the future.
Just cant make up my mind. I am on the fence. You?
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Originally Posted by
runtheoption
What are everyone's thoughts on the idea of NDSU moving up to FBS? Also, please explain your stance on UND and NDSU playing football in the future.
The fact that we've left FCS football in the dust answers your second question. They haven't even figured out where FCS is.
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Originally Posted by
56BISON73
Just cant make up my mind. I am on the fence. You?
I think we should wait for UND to make the jump and blaze the path for us. Next, we hold a press conference stating that we will not move up nor resume the annual game. Then, wait for 5 years to see what worked for UND, announce our move up to FBS and demand an annual game with them. Hopefully, we end up in conference that does not fit our recruiting or geographic footprint at all.
Any Conference East of West, Hope for the Best!
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Originally Posted by
56BISON73
Respect for Coach---conference. Those two can be mutually exclusive. FYI.
He's the one who said to tell him when the lowly gophers start respecting the Mac. FYI.
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MNLonghorn10
He's the one who said to tell him when the lowly gophers start respecting the Mac. FYI.
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Reading comprehension 101. Jerry Kill does not equal MAC. I understood exactly what PL posted.
When the Gophers stop looking at MAC teams as cupcakes who should be beaten, we can talk. I don't see that happening. Losing to MAC teams will get you fired as a B1G Head Coach if you do it regularly.
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Originally Posted by
MNLonghorn10
Lots of personal opinion trying to pass off as facts in your posts.
the Gophers hired their head coach from a MAC school...that must mean they show some respect, no?
JUst because they hired the coach doesnt mean they respect the conference. The two can be mutually exclusive. Yes?
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I still think we should move to the NFL, move the Vikings to the Big 10, and move the Gophers to FCS. Problem is, the Gophers would prolly still have the same outcome.
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Originally Posted by
TransAmBison
I still think we should move to the NFL, move the Vikings to the Big 10, and move the Gophers to FCS. Problem is, the Gophers would prolly still have the same outcome.
Finally some said what needed to be said!!!! Ok what the buy in???????
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Originally Posted by
TransAmBison
I still think we should move to the NFL, move the Vikings to the Big 10, and move the Gophers to FCS. Problem is, the Gophers would prolly still have the same outcome.
And by that you mean all 3 teams have the same outcome, right?
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Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read
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Originally Posted by
Mayville Bison
And by that you mean all 3 teams have the same outcome, right?
Yes, people will still complain about lack of competition before the conference games...
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Originally Posted by
TransAmBison
Yes, people will still complain about lack of competition before the conference games...
Imagine the confusion when we play the Packers. Rodgers will throw it to the wrong team. Oh wait, he already does that. :hide:
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Originally Posted by
56BISON73
JUst because they hired the coach doesnt mean they respect the conference. The two can be mutually exclusive. Yes?
Hahaha. K..
When the b1g and the big 12 come out publicly and say the Mac and mwc suck and we don't respect them...then your point will have merit.. now youre just lumping opinions of rubes in said conferences to be the voice of the conferences. Until that actually happens I guess I'll have to think your thinking and a piece of garbage can be mutually exclusive...yes?
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Originally Posted by
runtheoption
I think we should wait for UND to make the jump and blaze the path for us. Next, we hold a press conference stating that we will not move up nor resume the annual game. Then, wait for 5 years to see what worked for UND, announce our move up to FBS and demand an annual game with them. Hopefully, we end up in conference that does not fit our recruiting or geographic footprint at all.
Any Conference East of West, Hope for the Best!
I've heard that if we do this, the legislature will double our funding.
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Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read
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Originally Posted by
perthbison
I've heard that if we do this, the legislature will double our funding.
And give us our own plane, too!!
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Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read
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Originally Posted by
runtheoption
I think we should wait for UND to make the jump and blaze the path for us. Next, we hold a press conference stating that we will not move up nor resume the annual game. Then, wait for 5 years to see what worked for UND, announce our move up to FBS and demand an annual game with them. Hopefully, we end up in conference that does not fit our recruiting or geographic footprint at all.
Any Conference East of West, Hope for the Best!
Hell ya! If they ever win a bowl game, we can have their banner sent to us! Everyone, from the President, AD, HC and Volleyball Bus Driver can get their pictures in the local paper, while posing with the banner. Then we can have the aforesaid Volleyball guy return the banner to UND while intoxicated in a rented van, making sure he does a few hit-and-runs while on the pooh campus!! The blueprint is there, we only would need to follow it!
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Originally Posted by
MNLonghorn10
Hahaha. K..
When the b1g and the big 12 come out publicly and say the Mac and mwc suck and we don't respect them...then your point will have merit.. now youre just lumping opinions of rubes in said conferences to be the voice of the conferences. Until that actually happens I guess I'll have to think your thinking and a piece of garbage can be mutually exclusive...yes?
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So, by your reasoning, the MWC has a great deal of respect for the MVFC. After all, one of their programs just hired Craig Bohl.
Or, is there another reason we should move up from JV football to the real thing?
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Originally Posted by
TransAmBison
I still think we should move to the NFL, move the Vikings to the Big 10, and move the Gophers to FCS. Problem is, the Gophers and the Vikings would prolly still have the same outcome.
FIFY.
10Char
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Originally Posted by
NorthernBison
So, by your reasoning, the MWC has a great deal of respect for the MVFC. After all, one of their programs just hired Craig Bohl.
Or, is there another reason we should move up from JV football to the real thing?
Yep. NDSU should have the MWC's respect. the rest of the MVFC.....fuck em. NDSU deserves better than what theyre in.
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Originally Posted by
MNLonghorn10
Hahaha. K..
When the b1g and the big 12 come out publicly and say the Mac and mwc suck and we don't respect them...then your point will have merit.. now youre just lumping opinions of rubes in said conferences to be the voice of the conferences. Until that actually happens I guess I'll have to think your thinking and a piece of garbage can be mutually exclusive...yes?
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I will make it easy for you.............. You have a steak and then you have dog food. Both are edible but one tastes like---well dog food. I hope that helps.
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You just made it easier for yourself!
FBS=Steak
FCS= dog food
see ya in vegas!
