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With Murray State joining the Missouri Valley Conference, they are pursuing the MVFC for football. Will it happen? The conference would then be 12 teams. Could divide into an east/west.
West
1 NDSU
2 SDSU
3 UND
4 USD
5 UNI
6 Missouri St
East
1 Youngstown St
2 WIU
3 Indiana st
4 Murray St
5 Illinois St
6 Southern Illinois
Can we just say no?
The MVFC East makes the B1G West look like the the SEC West. The East champion would be like what, the 5th best team in the MVFC?Quote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
Having divisions to outline scheduling, fine, but Divisions serve no other purpose. For that reason, I am wholly against divisions. Just ID scheduling groups without divisions IMO. There are no conference championship games, so I see no purpose other than scheduling. If the FBS moves to a larger playoff, you’ll even see conf championship games get cut at the FBS level. You have to eliminate to keep the number of games played in check, with 16 max.
I say no divisions, just scheduling rules. So for NDSU, rules would be . .
Play each year: usd, und, SDSU, UNI, Mo State (5)
Play 3 each year rotating: SIU, Il state, WIU, Murray, YsU, InSt (3)
It’s what the Big sky has been doing for years.
Starting to get into Big Fluffy territory where a UND can win the conference by playing no one worth a shit. In this case it would be SIU or ISUr. No thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herd
I want them for basketball!!
Looks like Football will likely stay in the OVC.. https://twitter.com/OVCSports/status...96803007479808
Release from Murray says they have applied to and talking with the MVFC.Quote:
Originally Posted by nodak651
Throughout the process, Murray State officials have prioritized stable and vibrant competitive homes for all fifteen of its sports programs in order to continue its long history of success in Racer Athletics. Given the MVC's sports portfolio does not include football and rifle, Murray State has proactively pursued – in a collective and parallel track – league membership for football and rifle and are excited about the future. Upon unanimous support from the Missouri Valley Football Conference (MVFC) board of presidents – a separate stand-alone, football-only conference – Murray State and MVFC officials are actively engaged in the membership process, which officially began immediately upon receipt of the MVC invitation. The nationally ranked (currently 6th) Murray State rifle program will continue to compete in the Ohio Valley Conference.
This would be another line item for moving the hell out of the FCS.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacksfan29!
I know you hate FCS, so I'm curious your thoughts on this... because this Divisional setup is obviously a non-starter, right? I know most, including me, are against the Summit adding football (unless by some miracle the MVC football schools joined as affiliates or full members).Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
SO... here is the question.. Assuming NDSU doesn't currently have a path to FBS, and Divisions were implemented, as theorized above... could it be a blessing in disguise? Bear with me.... the Summit schools could just say screw it, and start football, but with the intention of keeping the football membership extremely low - say 6-7 members, which would thereby allow NDSU more scheduling flexibility in the non conference. So instead of playing an extra conference away game, you can play more FBS games or schedule more intriguing home and homes with more intriguing fcs schools, like jackson state for example. NDSU could also be able to accept low ball FBS offers that it is probably forced to decline currently, as you wouldn't be losing a home game for it, and you would now be able to play more FBS games again. And if possible, try to get a couple FBS games in each year. There's literally zero benefit for NDSU to be in a FCS conference that is any larger than required, or needed for stability purposes, right? If you want to continue playing MVC teams, you would still be able to schedule home and homes because you would have more open dates on the schedule which would otherwise be conf away games that you get nothing for anyway.
DIDN'T SEE THAT! Being optimistic, it looks to me like the OVC is being proactive... giving the MVFC an out by letting them know that Murray has a landing spot for football if the MVFC declines. I hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacksfan29!
Not a big fan of that East/West split. The East would be much weaker than the West.
West
1 NDSU - Playoffs
2 SDSU - Playoffs
3 UND
4 USD - Playoffs
5 UNI - Playoffs
6 Missouri St - Playoffs
East
1 Youngstown St
2 WIU
3 Indiana st
4 Murray St
5 Illinois St
6 Southern Illinois - Playoffs
Yep. That seems like a very equitable distribution based on competitiveness.
If the conference got this big I would be fine with cutting it down to two protected rivals per school and the rest of the games based on a rotation. Oh, and throw out the East schools not traveling West like they do now.
NDSU - UND & SDSU
UND - NDSU & USD
SDSU - USD & NDSU
USD - SDSU & UND
I'm assuming UNI would want SIU & either ISUr or MSU. The rest of them I don't really care, they can pick who they want as a protected rival.
Maybe expand the set rivals to 3 so the Dakotas annually play each other but that is as far as I would go. The conference would need some parity and balance in the scheduling and all the best teams are in the West. Something would have to give.
ETA: So it sounds like there will be no division, the Dakotas all play each other annually, and E-W limit on trips has been lifted and there will be a rotating schedule. That will work.
It's April 1 but I don't think this is a joke.
https://twitter.com/Reddit_FCS/statu...JmqxvjyBEZsmVA
Huge amount of discontent behind the scenes when Murray State was expected to just be written in to the MVFC as well. And not just from the Summit/MVC factions of the MVFC!
SIU and Missouri State both appeared to have been frustrated on the football front despite being ok with the MVC for other sports. Mainly around a perceived encroachment into the region south of St Louis. Allegedly a certain motorcycle enthusiast said, as was given to us as a direct quote, that it's “bad enough SEMO is sitting there, why should I compete with my own conference for recruits?”
Summit schools, with the Dakota schools in particular being the louder voices on the matter, are upset about the travel implications. This was sort of speculated on, but was good to get confirmation. Allegedly (again, going to be careful with this and not name names or anything) one of the Dakota ADs didn’t “buy” that Murray State should get a free entry in. Went as far as to say that Murray State is “too deep in the middle of nowhere” to be a viable member of the MVFC as it currently exists.
The whole thing is shaking the MVFC pretty significantly, and longtime Commissioner Patty Viverito has even mentioned to people that she's considering walking away from the MFVC to focus just on the Pioneer Football League (which she's the Commissioner of as well, for those that didn't know)
That seeming threat seems predicated on the MVC and Summit potentially splitting. Which is seeming more imminent by the moment. Which leads to big implications...
The first is with the Summit League. It appears the Summit is actively soliciting Northern Colorado to jump ship from the Big Sky, in hopes of having a 7 team football conference out the gate if they do split. It's assumed St. Thomas would add scholarships and join as a football member in that situation.
Likewise, the MVC has been back channel discussing how to hold YSU and try and pull in Robert Morris, with maybe the mild surprise being that they’re eying Duquesne.
MAYBE BIGGEST NEWS: the MVC is also actively discussing bringing on another school school without football currently. Which will blow everyone's mind: Chicago State!!!
The whole "Chicago State" bit screams, "Fooled ya!" though.
I know but I swear Dom and Jeff actually mentioned something similar weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
But probably is a joke.
There were rumors that the MVC was interested in Chicago St since they seemed so obsessed with getting into metros and they lost Loyola Chicago.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
But that is an April Fool's joke if you check the comments on the last post of the thread. I agree that it's not that outlandish... IMO the MVC schools looking to Robert Morris and Duquesne was pretty out there as well.
That's my problem with this "joke" is they basically took a bunch of rumors and put them all together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
It's a joke that as you read it isn't actually far fetched and many others have talked about.
I had decided this morning not to bother reading and news or posts because I hate weeding through the B's of such super clever April fool's jokes [emoji849]
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If you added something like, "Start with something plausible and work your way out into crazy land from there", you'd pretty much describe how social media radicalizes people.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
I guess I'm old school and April Fool's jokes to me seemingly come from out of nowhere and are just believable enough for you to question things.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
This is just a lazy attempt by taking fairly long standing rumors and talking points and making it sound like it all happened today.
Oh well, just another notch in the I'm now a crabby old man belt.
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this is all REDDIT talk with ZERO sources, but THIS WOULD BE DEATH for NDSU FOOTBALL.
"Appears the Summit is actively soliciting Northern Colorado to jump ship from the Big Sky, in hopes of having a 7 team football conference out the gate" (it's assumed St. Thomas would add scholarships and join as a football member)
Summit League Football��
SDSU
usd
ndsu
und
St. Thomas
Western Illinois
Northern Colorado
I love it Omaha and umkc would start footballQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Let’s gooo
LOL da fuck .
This isn’t serious tho right
If it is, we can’t get out of the MVFC soon enough. Don’t really care about Summit/MBB, because there is little to no potential there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
Where else can we go bro back to the ncc?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
I am sure it got the FCS forever crowd all excited, Summit football is their dream especially this version with so much NCC nostalgia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
That looks bad.
...But if we got the two Montana Schools to join us, it would look better. And then if we moved the entire conference to FBS...
Complain about Summit football when the the MVC teams just leveraged Murray State into the MVFC. That addition doesn't exactly make the MVFC stronger and given how they like to divide up these East/West schedules just gives a patsy for those eastern teams to pad an extra win to the conference schedule.
I will complain and rip Summit football until the end of time, horrific idea that would destroy NDSU football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yote 53
The MVFC is what it is, a league of schools where football is not the marquee sport on campus. What goes on in the Summit and MVC drives membership, it is what it is.
Isn't that the entire point? Unfortunately, it's lost on many Bison fans: the ones that can't imagine life without their beloved familiar faces from long, long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
I am sure that is why fans of the South Dakota schools love it, not like they have any football ambition.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Sadly some of our own fans are completely blinded by nostalgia and some bizarre fixation on playing for watered down national championships in Frisco, Texas.
"Blinded" is a good word. Were they like this back in 2004?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
It’s baffling. I just assume they aren’t really NDSU fans, but it seems they just can’t deal with any kind of change. One called into 1660 today. Culhane goes on a long explanation about how NDSU is the only FCS ready to move up, and it’s like the caller didn’t hear it a word of it, since he concludes his call with a statement about how ML is going to take the whole MVFC up as a unit. So completely off base on so many levels, it’s just bizarre.
Why do people keep repeating that same lame dead talking point, over and over again? There are literally millions of reasons it will never happen. You can pick anyone of them and be done with it.
NDSU wouldn’t want that anyways. Shooting yourself in the foot recruiting-wise. I sure hope Cook has some ambition on this front ... bolded for truth. I'll let you guys do the math.
Some numbers on transfers coming in for every FCS school: https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/a...rtal-offseason
Southern Illinois is going balls deep in the portal bringing in a whopping 20 transfers. Bobby P at Missouri St taking it fairly easy with 7 as is the stache at Illinois St with only 6. NDSU and SDSU among the roughly 25% of FCS schools who haven't reeled in a transfer yet (Montana St with 1).
As of April 13th, these 10 former MVFC players were rostered in the USFL:
NDSU: WR Darrius Shepherd - New Jersey Generals
Illinois State: None (Kind of a surprise)
Indiana State: T Jalen Booth - Tampa Bay Bandits
Missouri State: LB Angelo Garbutt - New Jersey Generals
North Dakota: None (No surprise at all)
Northern Iowa: OL Jackson Scott Brown - Philadelphia Stars, DE Seth Thomas- Birmingham Stallions
Southern Illinois: None
South Dakota: CB Tyson Graham Jr - Pittsburg Maulers,
South Dakota State: RB Mikey Daniel - Pittsburg Maulers
Western Illinois: WR Lance Lenoir Jr. - Michigan Panthers,
Youngstown State: CB David Rivers III - New Jersey Generals, T Charles Baldwin - Pittsburg Maulers
There are a good number of FCS players in the league, as well as a number of D-2 and NAIA players as well.
Saw one each from those FCS powers Sam Houston and James Madison!!
Fixed your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvis was a Bison
Congrats Matt Waletzko 5th round Cowboys. Eat more Potato Pancakes.
Quote from CowboysZone Fan Forum
CalPolyTechnique
He will 'suffer' a mysterious hamstring inury in Training Camp and will be stashed for 2022 ala Josh Ball.
What would your level of concern be?
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/ot-m...letzko.496352/
All my Undie friends said he would be 2nd round...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by PickedBess
Congrats to him though good to see but the Undie faithful need to STFU they have no clue
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SDSU QB Chris Oladokun drafted in 7th round by the Steelers
Plus another Montana State LB was drafted in the 7th round.
That’s a shock. Dude is a horrible qb. Would rather have had KSU’s Thompson who sent a few picks later to Miami.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
https://twitter.com/SamHerderFCS/sta...Czoc-vi5oqAAAA
"For the fun of it, 2022 draft picks by conference: AAC – 19, Mountain West – 11, MVFC – 9, Conference USA – 6, MAC – 6, Sun Belt – 6"
Take out NDSU/SDSU and it drops to 5. You'd have to do a multi-year composite to get something clear
EB at EWU got a minicamp. Hope he finds a way to stick
Northern Iowa WR Isaiah Weston goes undrafted, signs as udfa with Cleveland.
Was kinda hoping Vikings would get him in 7th round, but they drafted a big TE to compete with Ben Ellefson instead.
https://unipanthers.com/news/2022/4/...ree-agent.aspx