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insane_ponderer
03-17-2005, 03:25 PM
Senate rejects 2 a.m. bar close
By Mary Jo Almquist and Janell Cole, The Forum
Published Thursday, March 17, 2005

BISMARCK -Rejecting appeals to help Fargos bars compete with Moorheads, the Senate Wednesday narrowly killed the bill that would have allowed North Dakota bars to stay open until 2 a.m.

"Grandma was right. Nothing good ever happens after midnight," said Sen. Ralph Kilzer, R-Bismarck, a retired physician. Other opponents scoffed at bill supporters contentions that it would allow people to drink later, not necessarily more.

http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=86155§ion=news

insane_ponderer
03-17-2005, 03:27 PM
I am sure this has been talked about before, but I am curious to see what everyone thinks about it now.

In the hardcopy version of the forum it gave a list of who voted how and I am going to make some phone calls, but it also stated that most of the no votes came from the western side of the state. No offense to people currently living in the west (i grew up just north of bismarck) but what the hell...

Just wanted to hear some ideas and gain some perspective.

Sioux_Yeah_Yeah
03-17-2005, 04:19 PM
I think that the 2 a.m. bar closing needs to be done. The opponents saying that there will be more drunk driving is just stupid, especially in Fargo where there is maybe more driving right now with people driving over to Moorhead for that last hour. That being said, I live in Chicago and all bars stay open until 2, while some stay open until 4 or 5. When 2 rolls around I am usually ready to go home, but when I was in GF or Fargo and the bar was closing at 1 I usually still wanted to stay out for a while. I do not think that the bars need to stay open until 4 or 5 but the extra hour is very nice!

greenandgold01
03-17-2005, 04:34 PM
The should use Fargo to test out the increased drunk driver theory.

Have the Fargo bars stay open until 2am for a few months and see if there really is an increase.

roadwarrior
03-17-2005, 04:42 PM
Since the bar closing time was changed to 2am in the twin cities, I have noticed that the traffic heading home after the bars is distributed over a wider time than when the bars closed at 1am.

When the bars closed at 1am, most people were hitting the road home at the same time. Now it seems quite a few people leave the bar from 1:30 on so it has a tendency to distribute traffic more evenly. IMO, this makes it a little safer to drive home.

insane_ponderer
03-17-2005, 04:56 PM
well everyone that goes out to the bars has realized what effect the moorhead time change has had.
Someone should park a cop car on the moorhead bridges and watch the traffic increase at about 12:30. The drunk driving theory of theirs is awefully hypocritical and it just proves that that alot of our senators have no idea whats going on with this issue.

JBB
03-17-2005, 05:22 PM
I dont think understanding the issue is critical. The only thing you have to remember is this: you arent going to lose any votes by restricting alcohol consumption, which is the perception of a no vote on this issue.

insane_ponderer
03-17-2005, 06:02 PM
I dont think understanding the issue is critical. *The only thing you have to remember is this: *you arent going to lose any votes by restricting alcohol consumption, which is the perception of a no vote on this issue.


well thats very true, but this bill wasn't about making it mandatory, all those senators who voted it down can make sure that 2 AM doesn't go into effect in their areas. *This was about making it a level playing field between fargo and moorhead businesses and especially with all the money invested to a now disadvantaged downtown renovation project.

Sioux_Yeah_Yeah
03-17-2005, 06:13 PM
Since the bar closing time was changed to 2am in the twin cities, I have noticed that the traffic heading home after the bars is distributed over a wider time than when the bars closed at 1am.

When the bars closed at 1am, most people were hitting the road home at the same time. *Now it seems quite a few people leave the bar from 1:30 on so it has a tendency to distribute traffic more evenly. *IMO, this makes it a little safer to drive home.

Safer to drive home??? I hope you mean safer for sober people right?

Paulie
03-17-2005, 06:55 PM
What Blue Laws are still in effect in N.D.?

I remember as a kid growing up in the 70's and 80's that everything was closed on Sundays, grocery stores, gas stations, everything. It sucked. :'(

IowaBison
03-17-2005, 08:46 PM
I think churches were open, Paulie :P

Sioux_Yeah_Yeah
03-17-2005, 09:13 PM
Nada

roadwarrior
03-17-2005, 09:20 PM
BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) - North Dakota's Senate reversed itself and approved allowing bars to stay open until 2 a.m., despite arguments that the move would lead to more drunken-driving accidents.

Senators voted 26-21 on Thursday to endorse the legislation, which gives city and county governments the authority to extend their bar closing time from 1 a.m. to 2 a.m. Current law requires bars across the state to shut at 1 a.m.

Sioux_Yeah_Yeah
03-17-2005, 09:28 PM
Here is the site for the article. The senate must have been out drinking last night, kinda weird for them to change in a matter of 24 hours???


http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=86194&section=news

Oh well, more drinking for everyone ;D

greenandgold01
03-17-2005, 09:46 PM
Curious, does the city of Fargo or Cass county now have the authority?

IowaBison
03-17-2005, 09:48 PM
no, i think that the house bill allows for local control with regards to closing time, with 2 am being the latest.

greenandgold01
03-17-2005, 09:49 PM
no, i think that the house bill allows for local control with regards to closing time, with 2 am being the latest.

Sorry, what I should've said is "now that the local athorities have control, would the city of Fargo or Cass county be the local athorities for Fargo bars?

IowaBison
03-17-2005, 09:50 PM
http://www.state.nd.us/lr/assembly/59-2005/bill-text/FRCB0100.pdf

IowaBison
03-17-2005, 09:52 PM
I would imagine it would be done at the city level as they manage liqour licenses.

IowaBison
03-17-2005, 09:54 PM
Sorry, what I should've said is "now that the local athorities have control, would the city of Fargo or Cass county be the local athorities for Fargo bars?

also, the governor has yet to sign the bill into law.

BisBison
03-19-2005, 02:35 AM
also, the governor has yet to sign the bill into law.

He's already said he will, he thinks it is local matter

El_Chapo
12-04-2022, 04:33 AM
I did a search on something and THIS came up.

it's March 2005. is this the 1st thread of bisonville tony?