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JBB
03-11-2005, 01:18 PM
The inequities that exist in the funding of the State University system are reaching a crisis pt. NDSU, Bismarck State College and Lake Region State College have put their collective foot down and are demanding equitable funding. Several campuses including Jamestown and undII are receiving significantly more than peer insititution while the 3 mentioned are receiving significantly less. Adding more money to the system will not adress the issue since the inequitiy is built into the funding formula. The formula must be addressed. Heres the complete article from todays Forum:

http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=85571§ion=News

BisBison
03-11-2005, 01:54 PM
The inequities that exist in the funding of the State University system are reaching a crisis pt. NDSU, Bismarck State College and Lake Region State College have put their collective foot down and are demanding equitable funding. Several campuses including Jamestown and undII are receiving significantly more than peer insititution while the 3 mentioned are receiving significantly less. Adding more money to the system will not adress the issue since the inequitiy is built into the funding formula. The formula must be addressed. Heres the complete article from todays Forum:

http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=85571§ion=News


I think you mean Valley City, Jamestown is a church school.

Stunnedmonkey
03-11-2005, 02:35 PM
I would have hoped that the legislature would have been monitoring this situation before it came to a point of crisis. Hopefully they take the lead on the plan moreso than allowing the state Board of Higher Education to revamp a flexible funding fromula for the long haul.

JBB
03-11-2005, 02:36 PM
Im sorry about that. *Your right, I meant Valley City State University.

Big_BisonFan
03-11-2005, 03:25 PM
For those of you that are in North Dakota, do as I and e-mail your legislators and tell them you want NDSU to be funded at the same level as all other campuses with regards to their peer institutions. Your voice counts and observing how these people vote, they are very interested in what their constituents feel about certain issues. If you don't know your Senators or Representatives there are links below.

House: http://www.state.nd.us/lr/assembly/59-2005/house/members/

Senate: http://www.state.nd.us/lr/assembly/59-2005/senate/members/

JBB
03-12-2005, 02:01 PM
With the news of impending fed cuts as set out in the link below equitable state funding may be more important than ever if NDSU hopes to maintain its current programs.

http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=85757&section=News

JBB
03-13-2005, 04:42 PM
und has a different take on equity funding. They say since NDSU President Dr. Chapman signed off on an equity funding formula 3 yrs ago its a mystery why he would be pushing a new agenda now. The reason he has changed his mind is simply the formula doesnt work.

They also claim that the only way to fix the formula if new money isnt to be added is to take money away from them (undII) and a few other campuses. That is of course absurd since they arent entitled to the money in the first place if the funding formulas intent is to be equitable. They are currently using money that isnt theirs.

Heres a link with the grand forks/undII take on the issue:

http://jobsearchtech.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://web.northscape.com/

JBB
03-15-2005, 12:51 PM
Another look at the issue from the Forum:

http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=85977&section=News

Bisonguy
03-18-2005, 05:15 AM
Here's the latest (at least it looks like progress)-

University presidents reach equity fund deal (http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=86150&section=News)

NDSU biggest recipient of funds (http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=86139&section=News)

Bisonguy
03-18-2005, 06:48 AM
Flip....


Flop....


Board cancels $6.5M (http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=86255&section=news)

Bisonguy
03-18-2005, 06:54 AM
Other views: Herald uses flawed logic in equity funding reports (http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=86190&section=Opinion)

Bison_Dan
03-18-2005, 01:37 PM
Other views: Herald uses flawed logic in equity funding reports (http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=86190&section=Opinion)

I would think that the state would be more forth coming in funding with NDSU taking the leadership role in adding high quality jobs for ND with a technology park that is a true parternship between NDSU and private business and not some of the things happening up north. *With NDSU leading in research dollars year after year, think what they could do for the state if the funding was fair. * ;D ;D

IowaBison
03-18-2005, 01:47 PM
I actually think that the opposite is true, Bison Dan.

I think that there continues to be a large number of North Dakotans, otherwise gentile Scandanavians or stoic Germans, who HATE, and I do mean HATE, Cass County.

Everything that NDSU does that is ambitious or successful just feeds their anger.

I do think that the political capital is on our side. There are too many folks and too much money in Cass and Burleigh county, not to mention political allies as well. *

This inequity issue will be taken care of very soon, hopefully by the end of the 2007 session.

And to show my gratitude to the work that has been done, I hereby pledge to vote for Rick Berg for Governor or Senator or Dog Catcher or Whatever he runs for next.

tony
03-18-2005, 05:42 PM
Lord. What a crappy neighbor UND is.

At least, thanks to the tireless efforts of the UND-uber-alles crowd (Ralph Kingsbury, Ken Svedjan, Bev Clayburgh, and Francis Wald), UND can still count on getting $1000 more per student from the state than NDSU does and NDSU students can still have the privilege of subsidizing it.

UND's administration would rather have their funding cut and maintain that $1000 bump than have their funding increased and have that number cut.

scottheck
03-24-2005, 03:48 AM
A note from Keith Bjerke, ass't to the President, requesting that ND residents continue working their legislator...

"Greetings NDSU alumni and friends.

The North Dakota Legislature is two-thirds over and the discussion on equity funding continues. As you know, SB 2206 was defeated by a close vote in the Senate. It was sponsored by Senators Richard Brown, Carolyn Nelson and Jack Traynor; and Representatives Ole Aarsvold, Margaret Sitte and Dennis Johnson.

As we approach the final weeks of this session, the decisions will be made and the final results will be recorded. Please stay connected with your local legislators and lend any support you can to a fair and equitable solution.

Senator Brown wrote an op-ed piece for the media that states the issue very well and I am including that for your information in case you missed it. I am very encouraged by the understanding and the level of support for this very important issue to all of us.

Keith D. Bjerke
Vice President for University Relations
North Dakota State University
PO Box 5167
Fargo ND 58105-5167
Phone: 701/231-1068
Fax: 701/231-1989
E-mail: keith.bjerke@ndsu.edu "


The op-ed piece he references is the one posted earlier by Bisonguy on 3/18.

Tatanka
03-26-2005, 01:07 AM
Lord. What a crappy neighbor UND is.

At least, thanks to the tireless efforts of the UND-uber-alles crowd (Ralph Kingsbury, Ken Svedjan, Bev Clayburgh, and Francis Wald), UND can still count on getting $1000 more per student from the state than NDSU does and NDSU students can still have the privilege of subsidizing it.

UND's administration would rather have their funding cut and maintain that $1000 bump than have their funding increased and have that number cut.



Just remember Chucky K's quote (appears below)... Think that doesn't fuel this douchebaggery?

Siouxpreme
04-05-2005, 02:35 AM
You guys level of complaining never ends. You get much more direct federal money assistance than UND or other ND colleges to support land-grant college functions, and you dont have expensive professional programs like a law degree or a M.D. program (do have have any idea how much money North Dakota must put into that program to keep it professional ?). Get a grip. Your manipulative and in many ways deceitful end run around the Board of Higher Education is not winning you friends there or in the state legislature. The Grand Forks Herald in its editorial had it right:

For example, "some NDSU supporters have quietly raised questions about whether the university is getting its fair shake on important issues," The Forum newspaper of Fargo reported.
But NDSU itself initiated the expensive changes that have left the school feeling strapped. NDSU chose to move to NCAA Division I-AA, create new doctoral degree programs and open a downtown Fargo campus, among other things.
The university can't expect its "fair shake" to mean the state will pay for those choices, as it might hope would happen in a revamped higher-education system.

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/local/11304517.htm

With all the whining and bitterness that is so evident in you guys postings, maybe you all should take a Dale Carnegie course on winning friends and influencing people. If members of the state legislature became aware of this site and read it, your funding would decrease as the average North Dakotan would think less of NDSU by reading this forum.

BisonMav
04-05-2005, 02:38 AM
You guys level of complaining never ends. *You get much more direct federal money assistance than UND or other ND colleges to support land-grant college functions, and you dont have expensive professional programs like a law degree or a M.D. program (do have have any idea how much money North Dakota must put into that program to keep it professional ?). *Get a grip. *Your manipulative and in many ways deceitful end run around the Board of Higher Education is not winning you friends there or in the state legislature. *The Grand Forks Herald in its editorial had it right:
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/local/11304517.htm

With all the whining and bitterness that is so evident in you guys postings, maybe you all should take a Dale Carnegie course on winning friends and influencing people. *If members of the state legislature became aware of this site and read it, your funding would decrease as the average North Dakotan would think less of NDSU by reading this forum. *


Looks like you could take a refresher course from Dale Carnegie too.

Siouxpreme
04-05-2005, 02:43 AM
Looks like you could take a refresher course from Dale Carnegie too.That's true. Tactfulness has never been a strong point of mine. ;) ;D

IowaBison
04-05-2005, 01:43 PM
You guys level of complaining never ends. *You get much more direct federal money assistance than UND or other ND colleges to support land-grant college functions, and you dont have expensive professional programs like a law degree or a M.D. program (do have have any idea how much money North Dakota must put into that program to keep it professional ?). *Get a grip. *Your manipulative and in many ways deceitful end run around the Board of Higher Education is not winning you friends there or in the state legislature. *The Grand Forks Herald in its editorial had it right:
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/local/11304517.htm

With all the whining and bitterness that is so evident in you guys postings, maybe you all should take a Dale Carnegie course on winning friends and influencing people. *If members of the state legislature became aware of this site and read it, your funding would decrease as the average North Dakotan would think less of NDSU by reading this forum. *


it's too bad this isn't in smack as it is without question the dumbest post i've read on bisonville ever.

we get money from the feds to conduct research and provide extension services. *the next time und gets a grant, i'll be sure to call up kupchella and grill him for not using the money for undergraduate education.

and your statement about law and medicine is silly. *the medical school gets its own line in the budget and special attention is given to the law school as well.

we are taking about base funding and ndsu is getting screwed big time

Bison_Dan
04-05-2005, 01:58 PM
it's too bad this isn't in smack as it is without question the dumbest post i've read on bisonville ever.

we get money from the feds to conduct research and provide extension services. *the next time und gets a grant, i'll be sure to call up kupchella and grill him for not using the money for undergraduate education.

and your statement about law and medicine is silly. *the medical school gets its own line in the budget and special attention is given to the law school as well.

we are taking about base funding and ndsu is getting screwed big time



Your wasting your time trying to talk sense to und about funding. und can lie about anything and the gf herald will swear to it. (knowing it's a lie)

GCWaters
04-05-2005, 02:20 PM
You guys level of complaining never ends. You get much more direct federal money assistance than UND or other ND colleges to support land-grant college functions, and you dont have expensive professional programs like a law degree or a M.D. program (do have have any idea how much money North Dakota must put into that program to keep it professional ?). Get a grip. Your manipulative and in many ways deceitful end run around the Board of Higher Education is not winning you friends there or in the state legislature. The Grand Forks Herald in its editorial had it right:
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/local/11304517.htm

With all the whining and bitterness that is so evident in you guys postings, maybe you all should take a Dale Carnegie course on winning friends and influencing people. If members of the state legislature became aware of this site and read it, your funding would decrease as the average North Dakotan would think less of NDSU by reading this forum.



If you had paid any attention at all, you would have known:

(1) The extension and experiment station funding do not go to education of students, only to agricultural extension and research work, with much of it funding staff in county offices across the state, INCLUDING Grand Forks, and,

(2) The funding disparity is there after the law/med school funding has been removed...

The bottom line is that if your kid goes to NDSU, the school gets $1000 less from the state to educate him/her than if he/she went to UND for essentially the same degrees. It's hard for me to see how even a die-hard Sioux fan can see that as fair....

WYOBISONMAN
04-05-2005, 04:30 PM
Good point GC.....there has been that imbalance for years and years.....and it is not right. Heck, after all we at NDSU are the ONLY D1 school in the entire state.... 8)