NCAA probationary period

[Bison_Dan]

NCAA has just reduced the reclassifying period for Division I to five years. It was 13 years for men's basketball and seven years for all other sports. *Great news for the Bison! * *;D ;D ;D ;D :o :o

[tony]

That is HUGE!

[MinotBison]

Great news indeed!

On a somewhat different subject, does anyone know where I can find out how many additional scholarships will be alotted to all the different sports (baseball, softball, wrestling, etc.) now that we are moving up? Thanks. ;D ;D ;D

[89rabbit]

Great news indeed!

On a somewhat different subject, does anyone know where I can find out how many additional scholarships will be alotted to all the different sports (baseball, softball, wrestling, etc.) now that we are moving up? *Thanks. * ;D ;D ;D



Here you go. Please note that I-AA football is 63.

http://www.campuschamps.com/scholarships.shtml

Go State!


On the other part of this topic. Wahooooooo! ;D ;D ;D

[NDSU_grad]

Is there a link?

[pwbnd]

http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=56342&section=news

Standing about a mile from a casino, North Dakota State University athletic director Gene Taylor hit the jackpot Wednesday.

The NCAA Management Council passed without opposition a plan to reduce the probationary period for schools reclassifying to Division I to five years. It was 13 years for men's basketball and seven years for all other sports.

''That vote is big,'' Taylor said.

Taylor learned of the vote via cell phone while attending a state line ceremony to kick off the ''Dakota Marker,'' a traveling trophy that will go to the winner of the NDSU and South Dakota State University football game. It was held within sight of the Dakota Magic Casino near Hankinson, N.D.

The legislation, called Proposal 2003-13, will be forwarded to the NCAA Board of Directors this summer. Its approval is considered more of a formality because it did not receive opposition at the Management Council level.


When stamped, it means NDSU and SDSU have one major hurdle left in their transition to Division I: to find a conference. Taylor said both schools needed the waiting period to be reduced before a league would seriously consider them.

''This takes away a huge barrier,'' said SDSU athletic director Fred Oien. ''I think this will allow us to move much quicker.''


Readers can reach Forum reporter

Jeff Kolpack at (701) 241-5546

[NDSU_grad]

Thanks, I wonder if the period for Olympic sports will get reduced to two years. I remember Bucky saying even a five year probation would kill the wrestling program during that timeframe.

[JBB]

Wow, that is good news! That means we are in the first of a five year probation period. Thats huge. Congratulations to the masterminds behind this.

[NDSU_grad]

I found it on the NCAA site. *I think I found the answer to my question. *Makes good news even better. My question. Will we be eligible for an at-large playoff bid in I-AA football in 2005?


2003-13 CHAMPIONSHIPS -- AUTOMATIC QUALIFICATION
Status: Board of Directors Consideration * Process Diagram
Intent: To eliminate the automatic qualification period for an institution reclassifying to NCAA Division I status provided the institution joins an established conference that satisfies the continuity of membership requirements.
A. * Administrative: Amend 31.3.4.2 , page 423 , as follows:

"31.3.4.2 Additional Requirements, Sports Other Than Men's Basketball. To be considered eligible for automatic qualification in a particular sport, a member conference (including a single-sport conference) must include six core institutions that satisfy continuity of membership. For the purposes of this legislation, core refers to an institution that has been an active member of Division I the eight preceding years. Further, the continuity-of-membership requirement shall be met only if a minimum of six core institutions have conducted conference competition together in Division I the preceding two years in the applicable sport. There shall be no exceptions to the two-year waiting period. Further, when any new member added to a conference that is satisfying the continuity of membership requirements, that new member shall not represent the conference as the automatic qualifier until it has been a Division I member for at least two preceding academic years. Any new member added to a member conference that satisfies the continuity of membership requirements shall be immediately eligible to represent the conference as the automatic qualifier." B. * Administrative: Amend 31.3.4.3 , page 423 , as follows:

"31.3.4.3 Additional Requirements, Men's Basketball. The member conference must include seven core institutions. For the purposes of this legislation, core refers to an institution that has been an active member of Division I the eight preceding years. Further, the continuity-of-membership requirement shall be met only if a minimum of six core institutions have conducted conference competition together in Division I the preceding five years in men's basketball. There shall be no exception to the five-year waiting period. *Further, any new member added to a conference that is satisfying the continuity of membership requirements shall not represent the conference as the automatic qualifier until the institution satisfies the requirement for a core member (i.e., active member of Division I for eight years.) Any new member added to a member conference that satisfies these requirements shall be immediately eligible to represent the conference as the automatic qualifier."

Source: NCAA Division I Management Council [Championships/Competition Cabinet (Big West Conference)].
Effective Date: August 1, 2004
Proposal Category: Amendment
Topical Area: Championships
Rationale: Recently, Division I rescinded the moratorium on the acceptance of new members. The moratorium was imposed so that the division could assess its potential growth and more effectively manage the provisional and reclassifying membership migration issues. In 2000, Division I adopted legislation creating a waiting period of two years before a new Division I member could earn an existing conference's automatic qualification (AQ) berth in any NCAA championship. In men's basketball, the legislation requires a Division I member to wait eight years before being eligible for an existing conference's AQ spot. Prior to the adoption of this legislation, a new Division I member was immediately eligible for a conference's AQ in sports other than men's basketball and after two years in men's basketball. In 2002, Division I adopted legislation that lengthens from to two to five years the time period for an institution to reclassify to Division I. During four of those five years, the reclassifying institution and its student-athletes are not eligible for NCAA championship competition in either its old division or Division I. When applied collectively, the effect of these two independent legislative changes is excessive and punitive. An entire generation of student-athletes at a reclassifying institution is ineligible to compete for a championship in any NCAA division. To add an additional eight-year period for AQ in men's basketball will be destructive to a reclassifying institution's athletic program. Eliminating this waiting period for reclassifying members that join an established conference that satisfies the continuity of membership requirement will allow conferences to make membership changes it finds necessary without hindering its competitiveness. Further, this proposal should not result in a significant number of institutions reclassifying to Division I nor should it result in the creation of new conferences that have automatic access to Division I championships.
Estimated Budget Impact: None.
Impact on Student Athlete's Time: None.
Position Statement(s)
Championships/Competition Cabinet: After receiving feedback from its Bracket and Format Subcommittee, the cabinet supports Proposal No. 2003-13 and agrees with the sponsoring conference's rationale.
Management Council Subcommittee on Membership: The NCAA Division I Managment Council Membership Subcommittee supports this proposal.

[roadwarrior]

I also found on the NCAA site that the next step is the NCAA Board of Directors final approval, which is scheduled for April 29, 2004.

[roadwarrior]

I think that the Olympic sports proposal is a new one that was not acted on this year. If anyone knows otherwise, please correct me.

[NDSU_grad]

I'm sure this will be a hot topic over the next few hours. *This is how I interpret this. *All sports except basketball (including I-AA football?) will have a waiting period of two years, meaning we will be eligible for postseason competition in the 2005-2006 school year. *How I interpret the basketball ruling is that there will be an eight-year probation until we are eligible for the conference's AQ spot.

[roadwarrior]

NDSU_grad: in the long post from the NCAA site, the following sentence is in the "rationale" paragraph:

"In 2002, Division I adopted legislation that lengthens from to two to five years the time period for an institution to reclassify to Division I. During four of those five years, the reclassifying institution and its student-athletes are not eligible for NCAA championship competition in either its old division or Division I."

This is not being changed from what I can tell.

[NDSU_grad]

But in section 31.3.4.2 it says "...that new member shall not represent the conference as the automatic qualifier until it has been a Division I member for at least two preceding academic years. Any new member added to a member conference that satisfies the continuity of membership requirements shall be immediately eligible to represent the conference as the automatic qualifier."

I really don't know the answer, but to me that says in all other sports but men's b-ball, if you've been in DI for two years you're eligible to represent the conference as the automatic qualifier. Maybe Bison Kent or Tony could help me out. They're smarter than me, so maybe I'm just reading this wrong. I think if there's nothing specific in the Forum tomorrow I'll e-mail Gene Taylor. He's been really good about responding to my e-mails in the past.

[Bisonguy]

Hopefully someone can get a straight answer on this issue. On WDAY's 5:00 news it sounded like all other sports were reduced from seven years to five (the first of which would be 2003-2004) and basketball from thirteen to five. I always thought sports other than BB was a five year wait. ???Good news any way you look at it, but two years for other sports would be even better. Conferences should be a little more inviting now.

[WYOBISONMAN]

The bottom line.........We gambled and won.....the SUCK gambled and lost! GREAT news for NDSU.

[89rabbit]

Hopefully someone can get a straight answer on this issue. On WDAY's 5:00 news it sounded like all other sports were reduced from seven years to five (the first of which would be 2003-2004) and basketball from thirteen to five.

That is the way the Forum article that pwbnd posted earlier in this thread made it sound also. I think it is 5 years for everything.

[Bisonfan1234]

The bottom line.........We gambled and won.....the SUCK gambled and lost! *GREAT news for NDSU.

It also means it might be easier for them to gain enough support to move up too.

However, I still say it costs too much for them to move so they won't.

[Bisonguy]

It also means it might be easier for them to gain enough support to move up too.

However, I still say it costs too much for them to move so they won't.


They already would be a year behind NDSU for the probationary period, and they don't have a travel partner (one that's remotely close or capable of moving up).

[BisonMav]

It also means it might be easier for them to gain enough support to move up too.

However, I still say it costs too much for them to move so they won't.
The NCC also has a new 18 month notification period.

[Bisonfan1234]

So...three years they could move up.

[WYOBISONMAN]

Yep.....when I think of the SUCK it makes me laugh so hard I could damn near shit my pants!!!!!! :o

[ndsubison]

I agree that the s--ux may now possibly gather further support for a move up due to this ruling. Being the opportunistic cowards that they are, watching and waiting the NDSU to fail, they may suddenly grow some balls and attempt the move. I hope it is too cost prohibitive for them and that they continue to blather about their almighty canadian figure skating program. If they DO make the move, NDSU will, in essence, be light years ahead of them at that point in terms of conference affiliation, scholarships, fan support, media, recruiting, revenue, and just about every other positive aspect of D I-AA you can think of.

[Bisonfan1234]

Not to be an asshole or anything, but I would probably suspect that any conference NDSU is in that is looking for new members wouldn't hesitate to add UND.

[ralph]

But in section 31.3.4.2 it says ...
That is for a conference to be eligible for an automatic qualifier. I don't think the basic five-year provisional/transition period has changed (I posted a comment on the GWFC board). That would make 2009 the year for NDSU to be playoff eligible.

[roadwarrior]

Ralph, 2003 was our first transitional year, so we will be playoff eligible in 2008.

[Bisonguy]

Not to be an asshole or anything, but I would probably suspect that any conference NDSU is in that is looking for new members wouldn't hesitate to add UND.



The GWFC would be the only conference that would give UND the time of day. Any all sport conference that accepts NDSU/SDSU would ask them where their travel partner is.

[mojobison]

The GWFC would be the only conference that would give UND the time of day. Any all sport conference that accepts NDSU/SDSU would ask them where their travel partner is.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Why would NDSU support UND's membership? UND would be more competition for recruits and they've been complete jackasses.

Nobody else in the conference would want to add Grand Forks to their travel schedule so NDSU's support would be critical.

[IowaBison]

rt has his head so far up his a$$ that he won't know that the ncaa rules changed for a couple of years

(those $$ are hockey dollars)

[89rabbit]

Here is part of the Sioux Falls Argus Leader Story on the BIG NEWS!

http://www.argusleader.com/sports/Thursdayfeature.shtml

NCAA proposal boosts SDSU's Division I move
Staff & Wire Reports *


published: 4/22/2004


South Dakota State's move to Division I athletics received a boost Monday when the NCAA Management Council approved a plan to reduce the probationary period for schools moving up in class.

The plan would reduce to five years the probationary period, during which a school is ineligible for postseason play. It currently is 13 years for men's basketball and seven years for all other sports.

"This takes away a huge barrier," said SDSU athletic director Fred Oien. "I think this will allow us to move much quicker." . . .

SDSU is moving to Division I in all its sports programs except football next fall. Football is moving to Division I-AA and will play in the newly-formed Great West Football Conference.

From the start of the process to move to Division I, Oien, and NDSU athletic directo Gene Taylor, have said that the length of the probation period was a hurdle to getting an invitation to an established conference such as the Big Sky or the Midcontinent.

Now, a school like SDSU, which could produce competitive Division I programs in key sports like men's and women's basketball as soon as next season, could become a much more attractive target for conference expansion.

"This means every freshman we recruit as a senior in high school - and we recruit them this year - if they were to take one redshirt year, they could compete for the national championship in their sport," Oien said Wednesday.

"This waiting period seemed long, and it seemed like an argument not to do it, but (now) it'll be pretty short in the lifespan of the university."

The proposal will be forwarded to the NCAA Board of Directors this summer. Its approval is considered a formality because it did not receive opposition at the Management Council level.

"When we were out there talking to people about the Division I move, we knew it was on the horizon, that they were going to try to change it," Oien said of the NCAA proposal.

"We're just glad that our student athletes in every sport, if we're in a qualifying conference, could be in their national championships by 2008-2009."

Go State!

[ralph]

Ralph, 2003 was our first transitional year, so we will be playoff eligible in 2008.
errrrrrrr, '08/'09.

North Dakota State Athletics to seek reclassification to NCAA Division I (http://i-aa.org/article.asp?articleid=51043)
The NDSU reclassification plan is to begin a one-year exploratory period in 2003-04, during which time the Bison will schedule some Division I athletic programs but continue as a member of the Division II North Central Conference.

South Dakota State Makes Move to Division I Official (http://i-aa.org/article.asp?articleid=46309)
The 2003-04 school year will serve as an exploratory year and the university will have to meet specific requirements each year for four years following the exploratory year in order to achieve NCAA certification.

[JBB]

It said in the paper that this years freshman would be tournament eligible in their Sr. year, if we find a conference. *

As far as the change promoting new conference members, MojoBison has it right. *Who cares, why bother? *

[Bison_Dan]

If the suck ever want to move up I hope NDSU makes it as hard as possible for them. *They're a bunch of babies and if brainless rt told suck fans that the earth was flat they've believe him. *All und cares about anyway is hockey and $$. * *:o :o

[DIBISON]

I doubt that this huge decision reducing the NCAA probationary period will influence UND's decision about DI.

Their problem is hockey. Yes, the big-time revenue sport in GF. First, they must fully fund their women's hockey program. Then, their annual athletic expenses will dramatically increase with a minimial increase in revenue. How can you support 20 scholarships in women's hockey with 300-500 fans per game?

Once UND gets women's hockey in place, for them to go DI they would need to almost double their football scholarships and increase all other sports, plus consider the Title IX requirements. With the additional expense of women's hockey and no new revenue source, it will be hard for them to meet the minimium DI scholarship requirements in all of the other sports.

Hockey will prevent UND from considering the move to DI for at least five years and then it will be another couple of years before they could make the move.

[IowaBison]

I know this might be news to some people on here, but I don't think that UND wants to be Division 1. *They get their hockey and dominate an ever weaker D2.

[Tatanka]

Don't fool yourselves--those douchebags at the "u" won't grow the man-berries to move up anytime in the next five years. Period. Their reputation is all they have, and they've spent so much energy trashing SU's move up that they can't go do the same thing until their fan base (what's left of them after the man with two first names takes all their money) forgets. My estimation = 5 years, or approximately 14 years Canadian (for the hockey fans).