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dufferole
02-10-2024, 07:53 PM
Bison up 48 to 39 at halftime.

dufferole
02-10-2024, 08:37 PM
Bison up 67 to 58 after 3 quarters.

dufferole
02-10-2024, 09:01 PM
Bison win 84 to 70.

BisonVifte
02-10-2024, 09:13 PM
Another game with 50 fouls called.

dufferole
02-10-2024, 09:53 PM
It was hard to watch. Fortunately, we made free-throws.

southcliffbison
02-11-2024, 12:36 PM
What is happening with the women's basketball officials? Why the increase in whistles/fouls? Is it at the behest of the coaches who thought, in years past, that play was getting too physical and it needed to be toned down a bit? Coaches get the officiating they want; if they don't complain, they're seen as being content with the status quo/officiating. Maybe it's the summit league.........maybe they've hired new crews and have more rookie officials working regular season games and maybe, they're not quite up to speed. It would be interesting to see and read the evaluations being handed out. Then again, it just could be this is what the coaches want or wanted.

AlumniGreen
02-13-2024, 08:50 PM
What is happening with the women's basketball officials? Why the increase in whistles/fouls? Is it at the behest of the coaches who thought, in years past, that play was getting too physical and it needed to be toned down a bit? Coaches get the officiating they want; if they don't complain, they're seen as being content with the status quo/officiating. Maybe it's the summit league.........maybe they've hired new crews and have more rookie officials working regular season games and maybe, they're not quite up to speed. It would be interesting to see and read the evaluations being handed out. Then again, it just could be this is what the coaches want or wanted.

I have heard there is a shortage of referees in some locales. Probably new refs. I cannot imagine being a referee, having to keep track of everything, eyes in the back of the head, having to run backwards, forwards and so forth.

scottietohottie
02-13-2024, 09:30 PM
I have heard there is a shortage of referees in some locales.


Not in Indiana eh.

IndyBison
02-14-2024, 03:54 AM
I have heard there is a shortage of referees in some locales. Probably new refs. I cannot imagine being a referee, having to keep track of everything, eyes in the back of the head, having to run backwards, forwards and so forth.Definitely at the youth and high school level. There is strong competition at the college level. The people working these games even as new officials have several years of experience and have worked multiple levels of college basketball before they would even be considered by a D1 assigner. So they may be new to the Summit, but they aren't new to college basketball.

If the league or assigner felt they were being too technical on some of the early games calling too many fouls, they would coach them to raise their threshold. At some point, if they consistently have a high number of fouls by both teams, then the players aren't adjusting to what the conferences want called. And Summit officials are likely working Horizon, Mountain West, Missouri Valley, etc. depending on where they live. And some of those conferences use the same assigners. That's a huge difference between basketball and football.

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southcliffbison
02-14-2024, 03:56 AM
I have heard there is a shortage of referees in some locales. Probably new refs. I cannot imagine being a referee, having to keep track of everything, eyes in the back of the head, having to run backwards, forwards and so forth.

There definitely is a shortage of officials, particularly basketball referees here in SW Minnesota. I officiated tonight in Adrian, MN; Thursday night I'm in Edgerton, MN, Saturday I'm reffing in SF. I could be working 4 to 5 nights a week if'n I wanted to, but I don't. My brain doesn't want me to, my body doesn't want me to, my wife doesn't want me to. Im 71 yrs old; I should not be working as much as I do. Some how, some way, for some reason, we've lost a whole generation of sports officials, not just basketball officials, but also baseball umpires and football officials. There's a new emphasis by the Minnesota state high school league regarding the recruitment of young people (notice I said young people) ........ladies, this goes for you, too. I hope the MSHSl is successful in their efforts to get more people involved in sports officiating. The pay is decent; the exercise is good for you; I'm just at a loss as to how to get more folks involved in officiating. South Dakota is experiencing the same dilemma.

IndyBison
02-14-2024, 04:39 AM
There definitely is a shortage of officials, particularly basketball referees here in SW Minnesota. I officiated tonight in Adrian, MN; Thursday night I'm in Edgerton, MN, Saturday I'm reffing in SF. I could be working 4 to 5 nights a week if'n I wanted to, but I don't. My brain doesn't want me to, my body doesn't want me to, my wife doesn't want me to. Im 71 yrs old; I should not be working as much as I do. Some how, some way, for some reason, we've lost a whole generation of sports officials, not just basketball officials, but also baseball umpires and football officials. There's a new emphasis by the Minnesota state high school league regarding the recruitment of young people (notice I said young people) ........ladies, this goes for you, too. I hope the MSHSl is successful in their efforts to get more people involved in sports officiating. The pay is decent; the exercise is good for you; I'm just at a loss as to how to get more folks involved in officiating. South Dakota is experiencing the same dilemma.The issue is the lack of respect which leads to abuse of the officials. Those of us who have been doing this for awhile can get by that because we are too involved to let it affect us. But someone who is just starting isn't there and aren't willing to tolerate that abuse. Parents and coaches at the youth and subvarsity level have lost their minds and the #1 reason we can't retain people. The problem is they don't see what they do as abuse. They feel justified in their "complaints" because they feel they know the rules and the official is just getting started and actually learning the rules.

I'm not sure how much the constant berating of professional and major college officials contributes. I do feel it creates a culture of criticizing and abusing officials that is acceptable and maybe that filters down to the lower levels. How much that directly contributes to officials leaving I'm not sure. There is definitely a major lack of respect towards officials though.

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