GDT: NDSU vs Montana (Semifinals)

[MontBison]

Can was concussed and still threw a TD


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This.

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[Bisonator98]

OT again let's do this!

[ndsubison1]

McDowell isnt gonna beat us. Need to play smart.

[KC_Hats]

Do they not have a view of the Bison sideline from above?


Man, this camera work...sheesh

[Big Bird]

McDowell isnt gonna beat us. Need to play smart.

Plus, the difference in kickers is significant

[Smokeyburnout]

Time for real physical, hard-core bison football. Dominate them.

[heffray]

I have no idea what to expect here. Been a weird game.

[Kevin]

Put the D out there first if we can. Mcdowell is in his head.

[MontBison]

Be interesting to see if we can call a play to beat the blitz on 3rd down. It’s so predictable and we haven’t done dick about it all game.

[Kevin]

I want to see some Cole Payton too.

[EndZoneQB]

Put the D out there first if we can. Mcdowell is in his head.

I agree, know what you need to get before you take the field.

[Kevin]

Be interesting to see if we can call a play to beat the blitz on 3rd down. It’s so predictable and we haven’t done dick about it all game.

I will never understand roehls hatred of the middle screen.

[Bison Bridge Guy]

No kick or punt returns in OT - advantage Bison!

[GreenfieldBison]

I will never understand roehls hatred of the middle screen.
Can our RBs catch?

[NDSUstudent]

We were unranked....dynamite stuff from these announcers.

[gavin2126]

I have no idea what to expect here. Been a weird game.Samesies...

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[EndZoneQB]

Score a TD and go for 2

[TheKingpin28]

Let's go!

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[TAILG8R]

Lololololol


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[Smokeyburnout]

Balls!

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[Bisonator98]

Unbelievable......:D

[Dubbsy]

I will never understand roehls hatred of the middle screen.

looks too much like a run up the middle.

[SoCalBison]

Cole... everybody knows... but what blocking!

[Bison4peat]

9 time. EZ bros

[HillsboroBison]

Too easy lol


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[KC_Hats]

Cole doesn't do shit all game. TD boom!

[jeffs]

Did Montana brain fart there?? Cole Peyton run for 6!

[heffray]

I want to see some Cole Payton too.

GIVE HC to Kev.

[Vitojr130]

Wow. Nice job Cole. I like our chances when we leave it on our D

[Snowgoose]

I hate two QBs on the field at the same time :)

[KSBisonFan]

Let's go defense. Sweep the leg.

[Kevin]

I want to see some Cole Payton too.

You are a great football mind bro.

[1998braves64]

Well I was going to complain but can't fault that result.

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[Big Bird]

With how Montana's kicking has gone today, I would expect them to go for two if they score.

Plus everything is 4 down territory (obviously).

Need some pressure

[SoCalBison]

I could swore he stepped out.

[Bisonator98]

Second overtime.....

[IzzyFlexion]

What the frick? Don't we have a PAT block play anymore?!?!

[KC_Hats]

Bison have let the opponent score way to easily in OT both games.

[Snowgoose]

Most maddening game ever continues

[56BISON73]

JFC all they had to was hold them for 4 downs.

[gavin2126]

What the frick? Don't we have a PAT block play anymore?!?!I was honestly kind of surprised when we didn't block that. [emoji23]

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[bloodmakesthegrassgrow]

Ball never was inside the pylon.

[Smokeyburnout]

We need a pick

[NDSUstudent]

Way too easy

[Smokeyburnout]

I guess they're not gonna have to throw it

[EndZoneQB]

Defense fell asleep.

[Bison4peat]

Hauck asks the ref if we have to go for 2

[Bisonator98]

Too easy......

[steelbison]

Just awful defense.


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[KSBisonFan]

Wow. Defense hit the showers after regulation.

[KC_Hats]

Ugly. Nobody there

[Big Bird]

Defensive line got dominated

[HillsboroBison]

#20 not lined up and QB runs where he was supposed to be


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[1998braves64]

Holy lucky bounce

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[KC_Hats]

Unbelievably lucky

[EndZoneQB]

These announcers are absolutely awful. He screamed into the mic like a radio guy

[Snowgoose]

We simply don’t deserve to win this game

[heffray]

Luck is not an adequate word.

[Bison4peat]

Nobody knows what the rules are. This is great!

[heffray]

We simply don’t deserve to win this game

The problem is neither does Montana…

[Bisonator98]

This is a crazy game

[SoCalBison]

We simply don’t deserve to win this game

Neither does Montana.

[B.Schlossman Fan Club]

Dropping dimes my arse

[EndZoneQB]

Dropping dimes my arse

Lmfao the deflection was a "dime"

[Big Bird]

Is this going to come down to a Cole Payton QB Draw on a 2 pt conversion?

[NDSUstudent]

There went Roehl's shot at HC.

[TheKingpin28]

What was that? Why are you not letting Cam have a chance?

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[SoCalBison]

Heckuva season. Thank you Bison!

[MangyOldBison]

Congrats Montana. Beat the bunnies.

[Smokeyburnout]

Too fancy. Fuck Roehl. I don't want that clown.

[Vitojr130]

What the fuc* was that play call? Why would they not run what has worked for them all game? Whoever made that call needs to be shitcanned

[Bisonator98]

Stupidest fucking play I've seen. Just run the damn ball

[steelbison]

Half back pass. Really??? Why???????


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[heckler]

What. The. F*ck.

[Wolfie]

Yall want Roehl making major decisions?

[heffray]

What a terrible call there, Tyler.

[KC_Hats]

Really. After dominating the line of scrimmage they do that punk ass crap for the 2 point conversion.

[56BISON73]

A trick play when you only need 2 yards??????? JFC

[KSBisonFan]

Nice call, Tyler. Good luck, Griz. You're going to need it.

[Vitojr130]

Braindead play calling

[23Bison]

Was the TE mugged??!!!

[primespareribs]

Polaseck...Vigen...

Roehl...hold my beer...

[BFKasper14]

What the actual f*** was that? May be the worst play call I have ever seen. Congrats Montana.


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[RonMexico]

wow...would rather have a WR throw the ball than Cole in the situation.....great offensive mind.....

O-line i just dominating in the OT and that is what you call.....your new Bison head coach...*smh*

[NDSUstudent]

Fire these meat head into the sun.

[Big Bird]

Un-fucking-believable.

Hopefully Polasek can stop the decline

[DCinOK]

Stupidest play call I've ever seen. Incomprehensible.

[BigLakeBison]

Fitting end for Entz.


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[Strommer10]

Tackled in the endzone and no call. Unbelievable.

[HillsboroBison]

Terrible play call. But also can’t ignore our receiver got tackled in the EZ. Just couldn’t beat Montana and the refs today.


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[Bison4peat]

Good luck to the Griz. You deserve this one.

[Vitojr130]

That may have been the worst play call I've ever seen.

[ndsubison1]

We had that one boys.

[BiZon22]

Rooting for a meteor. Can’t stand either one of these teams.

[TAILG8R]

I’ll say it again. Fire Roehl before he gets in the plane.

Worst fucking call in NDSU history. Holy shit.


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[NFH Schlüssel]

Tackled in the endzone and no call. Unbelievable.

I don't think there are penalties in OT

[MontBison]

That was a perfect way for Entz to leave! Glad you all hope rohl is our hc lol

[Vitojr130]

Can't win when our boys are playing against Montana, the refs, and our own play callers. Good season, men

[NDSUstudent]

Fire these meat heads into the sun.

[TAILG8R]

Oh and btw FITE ROEHL NOW.


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[garbageman]

That may have been the worst play call I've ever seen.

And if it works brilliant? Armchair's qbs are the smartest

[NDSUstudent]

I’ll say it again. Fire Roehl before he gets in the plane.

Worst fucking call in NDSU history. Holy shit.


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And Grant Olson with him. Clean house.

[KC_Hats]

On to the offseason. Hire a coach and let's lock up the recruits. Bison need to fill in some holes in the transfer portal.

[Snowgoose]

Te was mugged. Bad play call as well but I bet Entz called that

[land grant bison]

Fun game to watch! Too bad the season ended. Loved the heart of the team but don’t feel great about that last 2 point call. Congrats grizz and beat the jacks

[Vitojr130]

And if it works brilliant? Armchair's qbs are the smartest

Passing hasn't worked all game. Dumb luck is not something I'd bet on, ever.

[1998braves64]

I don't mind the play now that I saw the te was frickin tackled him in the ez.

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[HerdBot]

Why not run Payton? It's not like they could stop it

[Strommer10]

I don't think there are penalties on Montana
Fixed it for you.

[EndZoneQB]

And if it works brilliant? Armchair's qbs are the smartest

That play call was absolutely stupid regardless of outcome. You took the ball out of a QB to throw when you need 2 yards?

[TheKingpin28]

And if it works brilliant? Armchair's qbs are the smartestIn what world do you call that play? If Payton is in, run Delta formation and give the team a chance. That was one of the worst plays I've ever seen this NDSU team run.

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[MNLonghorn10]

That was the dumbest formation I’ve seen since…:the Vikings failed 2 tush pushes with 180 lb receivers pushing our qb just 3 hrs ago

[RonMexico]

And if it works brilliant? Armchair's qbs are the smartest

Roehl's great offensive mind...hey lets run the same play that Montana ran and got incredibly lucky on.....

[Bison03]

And if we run cole up the middle and get stuffed, its a bad call too. Sometimes you have to get creative on two point conversions. Montana ran a trick play and it worked. What a game. Wish we were on the other end but damn.

[Snowgoose]

They only have so many two point conversions and I wouldn’t doubt if Entz said let’s do this one. Maybe not but it does happen

[BFKasper14]

And if it works brilliant? Armchair's qbs are the smartest

No even if it converted, why the hell would you try that kind of formation? Payton had been running roughshod through the defense. It might go down as the worst call in NDSU history.


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[RonMexico]

In what world do you call that play? If Payton is in, run Delta formation and give the team a chance. That was one of the worst plays I've ever seen this NDSU team run.

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Just another example of an OC out-thinking himself....

[MNLonghorn10]

Te was mugged. Bad play call as well but I bet Entz called that

He was laid down gently. lol. Dude flopped and sucked all game

[sbark]

Why not run Payton? It's not like they could stop it
No doubt about it

[Vitojr130]

In what world do you call that play? If Payton is in, run Delta formation and give the team a chance. That was one of the worst plays I've ever seen this NDSU team run.

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That was arguably one of the dumbest play calls ANY NDSU team has run.

[EndZoneQB]

and if we run cole up the middle and get stuffed, its a bad call too. Sometimes you have to get creative on two point conversions. Montana ran a trick play and it worked. What a game. Wish we were on the other end but damn.

the run was working, we needed two fucking yards

[MNLonghorn10]

And if we run cole up the middle and get stuffed, its a bad call too. Sometimes you have to get creative on two point conversions. Montana ran a trick play and it worked. What a game. Wish we were on the other end but damn.

Save that formation for Illinois state in early October.

[HerdBot]

That was a perfect way for Entz to leave! Glad you all hope rohl is our hc lol

Polasek please

[garbageman]

Armchairs quarterbacks are the smartest

[ndsubison1]

That play call was absolutely stupid regardless of outcome. You took the ball out of a QB to throw when you need 2 yards?

easy to second guess. but do a pass play with Cam, he can run if nothings there. I seriouly thought we were gonna do a Payton jump pass

[NDSUstudent]

And if we run cole up the middle and get stuffed, its a bad call too. Sometimes you have to get creative on two point conversions. Montana ran a trick play and it worked. What a game. Wish we were on the other end but damn.

Bison03 lays on the landmine for this staff....They don't deserve a single bit of it. That was pure stupidity. If they stop our run play, I tip my cap.

[Vitojr130]

the run was working, we needed two fucking yards

Bingo. The run has been working all game. The pass has not. 2. Yards.

That's 1 yard for each brain cell that went into calling that play

[No_Skill]

I could live with Payton getting stuffed on a 2 pt try. That was just dum.

[JMB]

He was laid down gently. lol. Dude flopped and sucked all game

I watched a replay. It looked like incidental contact, but would need to see a better angle

[TheKingpin28]

Just another example of an OC out-thinking himself....Clean house of most of the coaching staff and bring someone in who will go back to what made Bison football great.

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[EndZoneQB]

easy to second guess. but do a pass play with Cam, he can run if nothings there. I seriouly thought we were gonna do a Payton jump pass

Was there only one option on the play? Like...what was our backup plan if that was covered? I'd rather have any of the QBs have to throw to a covered receiver.

[MontBison]

I don't mind the play now that I saw the te was frickin tackled him in the ez.

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lol same TE that dropped a pass on regulation is now going to come down with a contested pass. Sure.

[Kevin]

Clean house of most of the coaching staff and bring someone in who will go back to what made Bison football great.

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Polasek is our only option for that.

[MNLonghorn10]

I watched a replay. It looked like incidental contact, but would need to see a better angle

Yea maybe illegal contact. But they’re not gonna call something ticky tacky with the game on the line.


Maybe if it was Q1

[steelbison]

Run or pass that play I have no problem with. But your WR passing it? Come on. Before we ran that play I said good news is we won’t call a stupid play like Montana ran. We ran the exact same stupid play. [emoji23]


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[NDSUstudent]

I could live with Payton getting stuffed on a 2 pt try. That was just dum.

I could have lived with a play action pass. Anything but what was called, if that play fails you look like a complete and total moron.

[Vitojr130]

Yea maybe illegal contact. But they’re not gonna call something ticky tacky with the game on the line.


Maybe if it was Q1

These refs couldn't even call their own mothers. Ain't no way they were calling anything.

[NDSUBowler]

Baffling play call but also my word the defensive player dragged him down. Arms extended.

Perfect encapsulation of the game…baffling play calling and poor reffing.

[HillsboroBison]

That’s really the best 2pt play call we have? Even before the TE was mugged there was nothing there and you have a WR throwing the ball. So stupid!


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[tony]

Gotta execute the plays that are called. NDSU's didn't do enough of it today.

And I thought, the way the defense was playing that they'd stop Montana in OT. They had two chances and didn't even come close. But I liked what I saw from the defense anyway.

And teams that give up special teams touchdowns tend to lose.

[slips]

Roehl was able to pull his head out of his ass late but it was ultimately that Southern Illinois Defense in the OT's that cost us. Too bad it may cost Roehl the HC gig but the bright side is we definetly will get a new DC that had a clue and knows Defense. Great season Bison! It was a a good run for a huge down year. Way to fight through adversity and poor coaching at times. Just can't have 10 penalties most critically on 3rd and shorts. Way to battle, proud of thr fellas!

[56BISON73]

Gotta execute the plays that are called.

NDSU didn't do enough of it today.

And I thought, the way the defense was playing that they'd stop Montana in OT. They had two chances and didn't even come close. But I liked what I saw from the defense anyway.

A lot of stupid penalties again.

[B.Schlossman Fan Club]

That play call cost Roehl the job

Putting Cole in for the biggest play of the game and calling that play sealed it

Cam ain’t coming back after that

[ndsubison1]

Was there only one option on the play? Like...what was our backup plan if that was covered? I'd rather have any of the QBs have to throw to a covered receiver.

Literally only one receiver on that side with option to run

[EndZoneQB]

Roehl getting dragged on twitter for that playcall lol


Literally only one receiver on that side with option to run

Yikes...

[RonMexico]

Baffling play call but also my word the defensive player dragged him down. Arms extended.

Perfect encapsulation of the game…baffling play calling and poor reffing.

The reffing had nothing to do with that loss. Six false starts and poor execution lost that game. Over throwing three wide open receivers that would have walked in for TDs lost that game.

[RonMexico]

That play call cost Roehl the job

Putting Cole in for the biggest play of the game and calling that play sealed it

Cam ain’t coming back after that

Why would Cole come back either...putting him into that spot in the game just to take the ball out of his hands...

[Hammerhead]

Sucks to lose, but this season turned out better than we expected two months ago.

[Smokeyburnout]

I will enjoy seeing the Griz get ass-pounded by the bunnies. I won't watch that shit, but the Bunnies may hang 63 on that Griz team. I'm glad it won't be us.

[mtoutfitter]

Why would Cole come back either...putting him into that spot in the game just to take the ball out of his hands...

Not sure about that. Didn't you see his tweet supporting Roehl?

[NDSUBowler]

The reffing had nothing to do with that loss. Six false starts and poor execution lost that game. Over throwing three wide open receivers that would have walked in for TDs lost that game.

Sure it did. Ndsu shot itself in the foot a dozen times with drops, penalties and bad calls, but there were clear penalties not called on Montana in big spots that absolutely altered the complexion of the game.

Both can be true.

[BisonJer]

Who will be hitting the transfer portal tomorrow?

[Bison4peat]

But we have Marshawn? Nope it's time to have someone throw it bros.

[mtoutfitter]

Who will be hitting the transfer portal tomorrow?

Matt Entz and El Chapo

[TheKingpin28]

I could live with Payton getting stuffed on a 2 pt try. That was just dum.Exactly. It would suck but it was a bread and butter play. Whatever that was, was not.

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[TheKingpin28]

Polasek is our only option for that.I don't even think he calls that play and he called some questionable ones.

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[garbageman]

Why would Cole come back either...putting him into that spot in the game just to take the ball out of his hands...

And you know this for a fact??

[HillsboroBison]

I don’t get why teams think they have to get cute to score on a 2 pt play. You see it with every team. Go with what is working. For us it was power. Would’ve even loved to see play action out of it to give the run option of the receivers are covered up. This loss stinks.


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[MyOhMy]

Grizz are going to get absolutely rocked in Frisco, we probably would have too but it's going to be a bloodbath by the bunnies.

[ndsubison1]

Grizz have 5 good players. Theyre fucked vs SDSU.

[RonMexico]

I don’t get why teams think they have to get cute to score on a 2 pt play. You see it with every team. Go with what is working. For us it was power. Would’ve even loved to see play action out of it to give the run option of the receivers are covered up. This loss stinks.


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Cause OCs have to show how creative and brilliant they are. They can't just call the same old shit that is working, hell anyone can do that.

[Bison20]

Yes hire a new coach and bring in new coaches who can coach and recruit. Penalties and tackling have consistently been getting worse. Recruiting and retaining our talent has also been going downhill.

[RonMexico]

But we have Marshawn? Nope it's time to have someone throw it bros.

Have you seen the clip of the two officials after that play. There is a mic-ed up of two of the officials standing there after the pick and one of em says to the other. "I can't believe they threw it there...with Marshawn back there?" And the other official is just shaking his head..

[Grizzled]

Sure it did. Ndsu shot itself in the foot a dozen times with drops, penalties and bad calls, but there were clear penalties not called on Montana in big spots that absolutely altered the complexion of the game.

Both can be true.

Just stop. The refs did not cost us that game. Same can be said the other way.

[Green-N-Gold]

The moment yet again was too big for TR. Head coach???

[heckler]

just stop. The refs did not cost us that game. Same can be said the other way.

^^^^^ this.

[SoCalBison]

Just stop. The refs did not cost us that game. Same can be said the other way.

With all due respect, you're wrong. Actually, you're right they weren't the only factor. But they contributed.

[NDSUBowler]

Just stop. The refs did not cost us that game. Same can be said the other way.

They absolutely played a part. A good team still overcomes poor reffing and NDSU did NOT do that, but it did play a part whether you want to admit it or not.

[heckler]

With all due respect, you're wrong. Actually, you're right they weren't the only factor. But they contributed.

How many false starts did we have? Lol

[EC8CH]

Refs missed big calls
Bison missed huge plays
Highly questionable play call to end game but otherwise very good offensive play calling where different players took turns making critical mistakes. Bison as a team let this one slip away.

In the end better season than I expected.

Bunnies with shit stomp the griz in Frisco.

[TAILG8R]

How many false starts did we have? Lol

6 in case you were actually wondering


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[Bisonator98]

Very disappointing last play but we had plenty of chances to win that game and the players have to be very frustrated with their execution today. Multiple over throws on wide open receivers, big drops in key situations, piss poor tackling and the penalties were atrocious. Got a lot to clean up next year!

[autogriz]

Grizz have 5 good players. Theyre fucked vs SDSU.

Heard that one before....! Looks like I'll be headed to the other Dakota team to hear some good trash talk..... Hope spring ball is beneficial.......! GO GRIZ!!!!!!!!!

[SoCalBison]

How many false starts did we have? Lol

Too many, and I'm not blaming the refs for that. But you can't keep a straight face and tell me Montana committed no penalties in the first 55 minutes of the game.

[56BISON73]

How many false starts did we have? Lol

Didnt was have 3 in a row and we are supposed to know the snap count.

[1978Bison]

I will enjoy seeing the Griz get ass-pounded by the bunnies. I won't watch that shit, but the Bunnies may hang 63 on that Griz team. I'm glad it won't be us.
Couldn’t agree more

[barnwintersportsengelstad]

Heard that one before....! Looks like I'll be headed to the other Dakota team to hear some good trash talk..... Hope spring ball is beneficial.......! GO GRIZ!!!!!!!!!

The team bus might wanna stop in Medora to look at the ND Bison?

[heckler]

Didnt was have 3 in a row and we are supposed to know the snap count.

That was a rough sequence. Tough to do anything after that.

[BigHorns]

Grizz are going to get absolutely rocked in Frisco, we probably would have too but it's going to be a bloodbath by the bunnies.

May be a long shot, but I'm rooting for the Griz to go roast the bunnies.
Would help soothe the heart a bit.

[autogriz]

Suck my ass

Wish there were 5 quarters so we could kick your some more!!!!!!! GO GRIZ......

[Kevin]

Wish there were 5 quarters so we could kick your some more!!!!!!! GO GRIZ......

There technically was, genius.

[NDSUstudent]

If you think we bitch about the refs, just wait until you meet some Jackrabbit fans....

[23Bison]

Wish there were 5 quarters so we could kick your some more!!!!!!! GO GRIZ......

That’s what you thought was happening there? Honestly?

[23Bison]

I wouldn’t mind it if the Griz won. Would end SDSUs win streak and I’m not a a fan of SDSU either.

[56BISON73]

Wish there were 5 quarters so we could kick your some more!!!!!!! GO GRIZ......

Why you cant count that high.

[BigHorns]

I wouldn’t mind it if the Griz won. Would end SDSUs win streak and I’m not a a fan of SDSU either.

Griz seem to have a couple ahole trolls, but I still despise the bunnies more.
We took them to the wire, and would have won at home.

I wouldn't lay any money on the griz, though I will smile if they embarrass sdsu.

[1st&TennBison]

Can’t blame TR for that game based off one play. False starts (6) turned at least 3 easy 3rd down plays into hard ones. 4 easy drops that would have been 1st downs. Miller overthrew at least 3 wide open receivers that would have gone for TD’s. And miller on a couple of occasions could have run for a first down but decided not to. Poor coaching…..not likely, more like a comedy of errors on the players part that just all came together in on game. Just like the Midas touch that the team had going for it in the 5 previous games where everything went right.

[Professor Chaos]

I wouldn’t mind it if the Griz won. Would end SDSUs win streak and I’m not a a fan of SDSU either.
I'd love to see the Griz take it down in Frisco... too bad it won't happen.

[TAILG8R]

Heard that one before....! Looks like I'll be headed to the other Dakota team to hear some good trash talk..... Hope spring ball is beneficial.......! GO GRIZ!!!!!!!!!

If you keep it within 21 in Frisco I’ll be shocked.


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[heffray]

Griz seem to have a couple ahole trolls, but I still despise the bunnies more.
We took them to the wire, and would have won at home.

I wouldn't lay any money on the griz, though I will smile if they embarrass sdsu.

My hate for the Griz is really just because of Hauck. Smug ahole. Their fans are fine.

Fuck the Jacks. Worst fanbase in the history of fanbases, which is saying a lot.

[ndsubison1]

Wish there were 5 quarters so we could kick your some more!!!!!!! GO GRIZ......

We lost, Ill give you that, but nowhere near an ass kicking. Frisco might be though.

[LefseBison]

We lost, Ill give you that, but nowhere near an ass kicking. Frisco might be though.

It WILL be a major ass- and whole-body kicking. Check back with us, autogriz, after the Natty for a post-mortem analysis.

[autogriz]

My hate for the Griz is really just because of Hauck. Smug ahole. Their fans are fine.

Fuck the Jacks. Worst fanbase in the history of fanbases, which is saying a lot.

In all seriousness, I tip My hat to the Bison Team, Every time I see them, they play hard & with passion. You don't produce teams like that & not be in the Hunt.... Congrats to you on a fine run...!

[heffray]

In all seriousness, I tip My hat to the Bison Team, Every time I see them, they play hard & with passion. You don't produce teams like that & not be in the Hunt.... Congrats to you on a fine run...!

Likewise and good luck in Frisco (can’t believe i just said that).

[Bisonator98]

In all seriousness, I tip My hat to the Bison Team, Every time I see them, they play hard & with passion. You don't produce teams like that & not be in the Hunt.... Congrats to you on a fine run...!

Good luck to the Griz in the chipper you're going to need it.

[Bisonator98]

Anybody have links to the post game press conferences?

[GreenfieldBison]

Anybody have links to the post game press conferences?
SlickVic put it in the post game thoughts thread earlier this morning.

[autogriz]

It WILL be a major ass- and whole-body kicking. Check back with us, autogriz, after the Natty for a post-mortem analysis.

I would be glad too, Maybe you could give some pointers coming from an expert like you after your drubbing in last years game...!

[LefseBison]

I would be glad too, Maybe you could give some pointers coming from an expert like you after your drubbing in last years game...!

I will be DELIGHTED to but if you don't mind me ALSO including post-game analysis from our 9 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP wins to say nothing of the D-II national championship wins. DEAL??? :D

[56BISON73]

I would be glad too, Maybe you could give some pointers coming from an expert like you after your drubbing in last years game...!

Or the 49 points we laid on you? As far as the natty last year???? Why are you commenting on a game you havent been in for decades.

[autogriz]

I will be DELIGHTED to but if you don't mind me ALSO including post-game analysis from our 9 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP wins to say nothing of the D-II national championship wins. DEAL??? :D

Well if your going to go that far back, my grade school were undefeated from grades 2 thru 8 So there!!!!!!

[89MTBISON]

Well if your going to go that far back, my grade school were undefeated from grades 2 thru 8 So there!!!!!!

This site can help with your post title game trauma. https://bigpurplefans.ipbhost.com/
Will be a similar outcome for the Griz.

[LefseBison]

Well if your going to go that far back, my grade school were undefeated from grades 2 thru 8 So there!!!!!!

But, you probably are of the generation that had participation trophies though so your back-to-back does not mean much.

Hey! I do want the Grizzlies to beat the snot out of the Bunnies. Unlikely but I still do.

[bloodmakesthegrassgrow]

Roehl's great offensive mind...hey lets run the same play that Montana ran and got incredibly lucky on.....

The "incredible lucky" part was that the Bison player tried to intercept the ball instead of knocking it down. There was nothing to be gained by intercepting it. Dumb!

[MyOhMy]

The "incredible lucky" part was that the Bison player tried to intercept the ball instead of knocking it down. There was nothing to be gained by intercepting it. Dumb!

This is true, though the facemask penalty would have meant a do over from the 1 and 1/2.

[IndyBison]

This is true, though the facemask penalty would have meant a do over from the 1 and 1/2.For everyone who thought the officials were rigged to screw the Bison so Montana could win, there was a major error on this play that benefitted the Bison. The kind of error that gets officials in more trouble than simple judgment misses.

The offense has the option to enforce personal fouls on a successful try at the succeeding spot. The Bison should have started the second OT at the 40. That's a huge difference in that situation. That rarely happens, so it's not second nature to the officials. But no excuse, someone on the crew should have picked up including replay.

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[Son of a Bison]

Indy - So it would have been first and 10 from the 40? Or first and 25 from the 40? I would think 1 and 10 but unsure.

Also, I may have missed it if you posted it elsewhere but the offensive PI on us in first half seemed like a phantom call, but maybe there is more to the rule than I know. I am not complaining about the call but it just seemed like it killed our momentum and mojo.

As always, appreciate your insight and dedication to reffing. Without refs, we all could not get to enjoy the games.

[56BISON73]

Well if your going to go that far back, my grade school were undefeated from grades 2 thru 8 So there!!!!!!

In all honesty you have to GO BACK to find the last time you won a championship.

[IndyBison]

Indy - So it would have been first and 10 from the 40? Or first and 25 from the 40? I would think 1 and 10 but unsure.

Also, I may have missed it if you posted it elsewhere but the offensive PI on us in first half seemed like a phantom call, but maybe there is more to the rule than I know. I am not complaining about the call but it just seemed like it killed our momentum and mojo.

As always, appreciate your insight and dedication to reffing. Without refs, we all could not get to enjoy the games.Yes, 1st and 10 from the 40.

I haven't seen the OPI play. Was it a pick play? OPI restrictions start at the snap so no offensive player can't block beyond the NZ if a legal forward pass is thrown beyond the neutral zone. It happens sometimes if the play is supposed to be a screen caught beyond but extends to far and is caught beyond. The foul is on the blocker, but it's caused by either the QB or receiver going too far.

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[99Bison]

It looked like one wr ran a 10 yard curl, the other straight up the side line. Inside defender ran around the curl guy to go cover the wide guy, maybe there was some butt contact but nothing like you see on normal pick plays.

[MyOhMy]

Yes, 1st and 10 from the 40.

I haven't seen the OPI play. Was it a pick play? OPI restrictions start at the snap so no offensive player can't block beyond the NZ if a legal forward pass is thrown beyond the neutral zone. It happens sometimes if the play is supposed to be a screen caught beyond but extends to far and is caught beyond. The foul is on the blocker, but it's caused by either the QB or receiver going too far.

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To be fair, Raja looks straight at the CB and slide steps back into his path when realizes that his route isn't going to take him into the CBs path. Also when he fake posts up for his stop route, he also kinda sticks out his elbow and hip to interrupt the CBs path to Green. It was ticky tack but it was OPI by the letter of the law IMO as he clearly makes contact while intentionally impeding the CBs ability to cover Green.

https://www.espn.com/espnplus/player/_/id/f7b69488-104f-4cec-b996-c4f398d293a3

[IndyBison]

To be fair, Raja looks straight at the CB and slide steps back into his path when realizes that his route isn't going to take him into the CBs path. Also when he fake posts up for his stop route, he also kinda sticks out his elbow and hip to interrupt the CBs path to Green. It was ticky tack but it was OPI by the letter of the law IMO as he clearly makes contact while intentionally impeding the CBs ability to cover Green.

https://www.espn.com/espnplus/player/_/id/f7b69488-104f-4cec-b996-c4f398d293a3

What you describe sounds very much like OPI. If he redirected his route to make any contact with the defender and that contact affects the defender in any way, he's not going to get much latitude. Like a defender who is beat and in chase mode, the threshold for contact is much more than the defender who is in good position, especially if they are playing the ball.

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[TAILG8R]

What you describe sounds very much like OPI. If he redirected his route to make any contact with the defender and that contact affects the defender in any way, he's not going to get much latitude. Like a defender who is beat and in chase mode, the threshold for contact is much more than the defender who is in good position, especially if they are playing the ball.

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On the replay during the game it looked like OPI to me. I was more disappointed Raja slid over and hip checked the defender than being mad at the call.

[Son of a Bison]

Indy - just looked up play. It’s at 9:06 of 2nd quarter.

One thing about Bisonville I like is how people watch the game differently based on their experience. I enjoy watching the Oline and reading the pullers to see where ball is going and how they turn up the hole or kick out and the runner has to read it. I like it when there are fake pulls to distract the linebackers. Same with motion to change the defensive coverage responsibilities and how the D has to react immediately after the O motions and can the Qb read what happened if a pass play.

[IndyBison]

Indy - just looked up play. It’s at 9:06 of 2nd quarter.

One thing about Bisonville I like is how people watch the game differently based on their experience. I enjoy watching the Oline and reading the pullers to see where ball is going and how they turn up the hole or kick out and the runner has to read it. I like it when there are fake pulls to distract the linebackers. Same with motion to change the defensive coverage responsibilities and how the D has to react immediately after the O motions and can the Qb read what happened if a pass play.Thanks. Found it. That's probably enough to get supported. The contact wasn't much, but it was enough, and it was obvious what he was doing. I have no issue with that call.

Would you be surprised to know the officials use a lot of those same reads? The 4 wings and the back judge each key on a single eligible receiver at the snap (there are 5 of each). The deep wings always have the widest guy on their side. The back judge will take the next guy on the strong side or the line judge side if they are balanced. If there are trips, the back judge will take #3 unless they are pegged (3 point stance) next to the tackle. He's not likely to go on a deep route, so it doesn't make sense for the BJ to take him. The short wings take whoever is left. That can be the back in the backfield. If your key isn't pressed, you'll actually start with the T. You do that to read run or pass. That's why officials hate RPO and draws as well. What you read and what happens can be different. If there is a pass read though, the wings may switch. Let's say the wide guy runs a crossing route and the inside guy runs a deep post. The deep wing switches to the deep post. The short wing likely switches to the crossing route unless his back flares out his way. But he's only going to pick up the back of the ball is thrown to him (rule catch/no catch, behind/beyond neutral zone, forward/backward). No reason to watch him before if there is no defender near him because you are "officiating air". The back judge may also pick up that crossing route unless there are two deep routes in the other side. Then he needs to help over there. He may also peak at the QB to see which direction he's looking. That's most likely the direction the pass is going unless you have an elite QB. If you see contact that could be defensive holding or OPI, take a quick peak at the QB. If he's already in his throwing motion and the pass is going away from the potential foul, let it go. If it goes to our near the receiver involved, you may have a foul. Once the ball is in the air, all 5 go to where the pass is going to help with everything involving a catch. If it's near the other sideline you are no help so you look for cheap stuff on the back side. The short wing may help with progress if the ball is caught and the receiver is driven backward in bounds. The covering wing will still be behind the play and is focused on players staying clean and killing the play for forward progress. The opposite wing usually has a good view of the forward progress spot so he'll get it and come out to the numbers letting the other wing know he has the spot. You'll notice the covering wing wall up the spot while looking across and using his spot. It's called cross field mechanics and when you see a crew do it well you know they are sharp.

As an umpire, I have guard center guard. I read run/pass with the guards. If they retreat, I read pass and start moving toward the NZ to help with ineligible downfield. They why I hate it when it's a draw or middle screen, and I suddenly have a back coming right at me with little distance to avoid it. If there is a pulling guard I read run that direction. My first peak though is the back side tackle, because there is often a cut block back there. This is where most chop blocks happen. Once that's clear move slowly back to the point of attack clearing each block. I'm responsible now for inside blocks on the runner and having the inside out view of runner down, fumble, facemask, etc. If the run clears me for a large gain I trail looking for players in opposite color jerseys especially looking for the guy who is running faster than everyone in the opposite direction of moving his head back and forth (he's looking for someone to cheap shot. We call this player "the prick with the brick." If you were driving down the street and saw someone walking with a brick, you know he's looking for trouble. The referee mostly focuses on the QB. Even after the ball is thrown you stay with the QB for any late action on him. When I'm a referee, I often have no idea what the result of the plays was.

The more you do this, the more all that becomes muscle memory. You'll also notice none of them are usually looking at the ball. If you are, you are likely to miss something. The hardest part for most new officials is ball watching. It's how you've watched football your entire life and a hard habit to break.

And now you know than you ever washed to know!

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[Gully]

For everyone who thought the officials were rigged to screw the Bison so Montana could win, there was a major error on this play that benefitted the Bison. The kind of error that gets officials in more trouble than simple judgment misses.

The offense has the option to enforce personal fouls on a successful try at the succeeding spot. The Bison should have started the second OT at the 40. That's a huge difference in that situation. That rarely happens, so it's not second nature to the officials. But no excuse, someone on the crew should have picked up including replay.

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That's interesting. Seems like an extreme outcome in overtime. In this case, I don't think it would have mattered. The only thing stopping the Bison running game at that point was the Bison....and they did.

[IndyBison]

That's interesting. Seems like an extreme outcome in overtime. In this case, I don't think it would have mattered. The only thing stopping the Bison running game at that point was the Bison....and they did.The idea is to penalize the big ones...personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct or non player fouls (i.e. sideline interference) so someone can't get away with a cheap shot or something non football related. A DPI or offsides would not bridge to the succeeding spot.

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[Gully]

The idea is to penalize the big ones...personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct or non player fouls (i.e. sideline interference) so someone can't get away with a cheap shot or something non football related. A DPI or offsides would not bridge to the succeeding spot.

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I get it. I'm just saying in OT, the penalty is magnified.

[Son of a Bison]

You lost me at - Thanks. But I am ok with that. Your knowledge and experience is invaluable. Keep it up and thanks to you and all refs.


Thanks. Found it. That's probably enough to get supported. The contact wasn't much, but it was enough, and it was obvious what he was doing. I have no issue with that call.

Would you be surprised to know the officials use a lot of those same reads? The 4 wings and the back judge each key on a single eligible receiver at the snap (there are 5 of each). The deep wings always have the widest guy on their side. The back judge will take the next guy on the strong side or the line judge side if they are balanced. If there are trips, the back judge will take #3 unless they are pegged (3 point stance) next to the tackle. He's not likely to go on a deep route, so it doesn't make sense for the BJ to take him. The short wings take whoever is left. That can be the back in the backfield. If your key isn't pressed, you'll actually start with the T. You do that to read run or pass. That's why officials hate RPO and draws as well. What you read and what happens can be different. If there is a pass read though, the wings may switch. Let's say the wide guy runs a crossing route and the inside guy runs a deep post. The deep wing switches to the deep post. The short wing likely switches to the crossing route unless his back flares out his way. But he's only going to pick up the back of the ball is thrown to him (rule catch/no catch, behind/beyond neutral zone, forward/backward). No reason to watch him before if there is no defender near him because you are "officiating air". The back judge may also pick up that crossing route unless there are two deep routes in the other side. Then he needs to help over there. He may also peak at the QB to see which direction he's looking. That's most likely the direction the pass is going unless you have an elite QB. If you see contact that could be defensive holding or OPI, take a quick peak at the QB. If he's already in his throwing motion and the pass is going away from the potential foul, let it go. If it goes to our near the receiver involved, you may have a foul. Once the ball is in the air, all 5 go to where the pass is going to help with everything involving a catch. If it's near the other sideline you are no help so you look for cheap stuff on the back side. The short wing may help with progress if the ball is caught and the receiver is driven backward in bounds. The covering wing will still be behind the play and is focused on players staying clean and killing the play for forward progress. The opposite wing usually has a good view of the forward progress spot so he'll get it and come out to the numbers letting the other wing know he has the spot. You'll notice the covering wing wall up the spot while looking across and using his spot. It's called cross field mechanics and when you see a crew do it well you know they are sharp.

As an umpire, I have guard center guard. I read run/pass with the guards. If they retreat, I read pass and start moving toward the NZ to help with ineligible downfield. They why I hate it when it's a draw or middle screen, and I suddenly have a back coming right at me with little distance to avoid it. If there is a pulling guard I read run that direction. My first peak though is the back side tackle, because there is often a cut block back there. This is where most chop blocks happen. Once that's clear move slowly back to the point of attack clearing each block. I'm responsible now for inside blocks on the runner and having the inside out view of runner down, fumble, facemask, etc. If the run clears me for a large gain I trail looking for players in opposite color jerseys especially looking for the guy who is running faster than everyone in the opposite direction of moving his head back and forth (he's looking for someone to cheap shot. We call this player "the prick with the brick." If you were driving down the street and saw someone walking with a brick, you know he's looking for trouble. The referee mostly focuses on the QB. Even after the ball is thrown you stay with the QB for any late action on him. When I'm a referee, I often have no idea what the result of the plays was.

The more you do this, the more all that becomes muscle memory. You'll also notice none of them are usually looking at the ball. If you are, you are likely to miss something. The hardest part for most new officials is ball watching. It's how you've watched football your entire life and a hard habit to break.

And now you know than you ever washed to know!

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[IndyBison]

I get it. I'm just saying in OT, the penalty is magnified.It's even more brutal in high school. First, any foul by the defense on a TD or successful try can carry over. That includes DPI for example. Second, there is no LTG in HS OT. So it would be 1st and goal at the 25 (they start at the 10 rather than the 25).

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[Gully]

Indy, do you know anything about the recruit from IN or the high school he's coming from? I think he's a RB, if I remember correctly.

[IndyBison]

Indy, do you know anything about the recruit from IN or the high school he's coming from? I think he's a RB, if I remember correctly.Not much. He was up in Northern Indiana and a smaller school. They were top 10 in their class and lost a close sectional final to the eventual state runner up who had Michigan and Ohio State recruits. He wasn't a Top 50 kid in the state. They do an all state team for each class and grade abs he wasn't in the 4A Senior team. It doesn't appear he was on any all conference teams.

I found this story that featured him. The stats on GoBison appear even better considering he missed 4 games. He's a big back that that could turn into the next fullback.

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[Gully]

Not much. He was up in Northern Indiana and a smaller school. They were top 10 in their class and lost a close sectional final to the eventual state runner up who had Michigan and Ohio State recruits. He wasn't a Top 50 kid in the state. They do an all state team for each class and grade abs he wasn't in the 4A Senior team. It doesn't appear he was on any all conference teams.

I found this story that featured him. The stats on GoBison appear even better considering he missed 4 games. He's a big back that that could turn into the next fullback.

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That's what I was thinking. Like those bigger backs that can still move.

[mtoutfitter]

That's what I was thinking. Like those bigger backs that can still move.

A bit like Luepke? As in smaller town kid. Not saying he'll be like him but you can always hope...:praying:

[IndyBison]

A bit like Luepke? As in smaller town kid. Not saying he'll be like him but you can always hope...:praying:Appreciate his proactiveness reaching out to many schools and NDSU was on that list. Seems like a kid who could develop. Recruiting is mostly educated guessing and you never know how these players will adjust and evolve at the next level.

The local newspaper had its top 40 and enter they signed. The top 4 were 2 Ohio State, 1 Georgia, and 1 Notre Dame. Overall most of the top 20 are P5 kids (13 B1G, 1 SEC, 2 ACC 2 Notre Dame). Most of the next 20 are G5 (MAC). None from that list are FCS. We are so close to so many schools kids get recruited all over. Indy is closer to Miami than Notre Dame for example. Two of the top QBs were committed to Duke and Colorado. They both flipped in the last week to IU and San Diego State respectively. Both very good and smart players so we'll see how they do.

So a kid like this has the potential to fall through the cracks. This is true in most states. You just have to get lucky and find them.

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[ndsubison1]

Heard that one before....! Looks like I'll be headed to the other Dakota team to hear some good trash talk..... Hope spring ball is beneficial.......! GO GRIZ!!!!!!!!!

Told ya. haha