2023 Depth Chart Talk

[ndsubison1]

Updated:4/19/23

This is what I came up with for now. Could have a few additions/losses in the coming weeks too.

I really like the starting OL but depth at G/C seems like a concern. We have more depth/potential at DLine than we realize. Really need the LBs to step up next year. Need a 3rd corner to step up. SS is a ???



LT M Miller
H Poncius


LG G Zabel
I Zatecha


C J Sundell
B Westburg


RG J Kubas
I Zatecha


RT J Rock
H Poncius


TE J Stoffel
J Streit


WR Z Mathis
B Henderson/C Hegerle/B Lance


WR R Nelson
J Lippe/E Green/M Collins


FB H Brozio
L Hofstedt


RB T Williams
T Marshall


QB C Miller
C Payton






DE H Zenzen
L Roques/D Hendricks


DT E Mostaert
W Mostaert/K Huismann


NG J Derritt
J Duttenhefer/K Huismann


DE J Kava
K Menz/D Hendricks


WLB J Wlodarczyk
M Gulley


MLB L Weerts
N Kubitz


SLB L Kopp
O Benson


CB M Sheppard
J Alexander


SS C Wisniewski
S Jung


FS R Jones
T Satter


CB J Price
R King

[Professor Chaos]

My 2 cents....

OL: Really like the group they have coming back - I think Zabel is a future stud - need to find some depth on the interior

TE: Concerning - not much behind Stoffel so will need to find some younger guys to step up

WR: I really like this group - Mathis is an all-conference caliber player if they give him opportunities, Lippe is a guy you didn't include who I think will be a big contributor, and they've got some freshmen waiting in the wings like Hegerle and Collins that could really transform this group - my motto for the 2023 offseason is #FreeThePassingGame

FB: Should be fine but no mini-Luepke-like difference makers it appears

RB: Really solid - Williams and Johnson complement each other very well, TK Marshall will be a great #3 option, and a young guy like Barika Kpenu has a shot to make some strides

QB: Cam will be a 4th year guy next year and it's time for him to take the next step and read the entire field along with controlling the offense pre-snap - I'm less excited about Payton than I was at this time last year

DE: Big question mark IMO - need some guys to step up here to replace Waege and get back to harassing QBs with a 4 man rush

DT: Similar to DE but this is a younger group with depth so I have high hopes for them - need that middle of the defense to get back to what it was prior to last season

LB: Biggest question mark on the team - it's time for Weerts in particular to live up to his potential and take charge of this group - tackling needs to improve and it starts with these guys

CB: (I think Coleman is gone) Solid starters but no proven depth - a lot of young guys will get some opportunities here so it'll be interesting to see who can emerge

S: This is really an unknown - Jones is going to be a good one but beyond that no one else has much experience at all so it'll be another interesting group to watch in the spring

Specialists: Should be good here with Crosa (who really came on towards the end of the season) and Steindorf coming back

[HerdBot]

D-line will do well vs mediocre competition (and will improve based on experience) but is way too small and will be manhandled by SDSU or a power run team. Not a single guy over 6-2 starting except Eli Mostart They will be good pass rushers but the formula will be to emulate what SDSU did and run

Don't forget about Dylan Hendricks. That was his 1st year playing DE and he will improve. Will Mostart needs to add size or he should move to DE. I really want to see Kelton McCaslin add some weight to his 6-5 frame. Toby Anene is a guy who is physically ready at 6-3, 250. Huisman played well as a redshirt Freshman but he needs to improve. Josh Magin is a big dude at DT if he can add weight.

Weerts needs huge improvements. So do all the linebackers

[ndsubison1]

Does Roques move to LB? He played some in high school. I think he could if we're desperate. We may need a transfer to bring in at Strong Safety.

[Kujava23]

This is what I came up with for now. Could have a few additions/losses in the coming weeks too.

I really like the starting OL but depth at G/C seems like a concern. We have more depth/potential at DLine than we realize. Really need the LBs to step up next year. Need a 3rd corner to step up. SS is a ???



LT M Miller
H Poncius


LG G Zabel
I Zatecha


C B Westberg
I Zatecha


RG J Kubas
H Johnston


RT J Sundell
J Rock


TE J Stoffel
J Streit


WR Z Mathis
B Henderson


WR R Nelson
E Green


FB H Brozio
L Hofstedt


RB T Williams
K Johnson


QB C Miller
C Payton






DE H Zenzen
L Roques/D Hendricks


DT E Mostaert
W Mostaert


NG J Derritt
J Duttenhefer/K Huismann


DE T Pierce
J Kava/K Menz


WLB C Wisniewski
O Benson


MLB L Weerts
N Kubitz


SLB L Kopp
J Wlodarczyk


CB C Eubanks
M Sheppard


SS S Jung
R King/T Satter


FS D Jones
R Jones


CB J Price
A Coleman



IS IT POSSIBLE that a RFR jumps some vets and plays ahead of them------WR, LB, CB, DE

[The_Sicatoka]

I'd say this conversation is premature until the date CAS brings up (http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?42683-Transfer-Portal&p=1605165#post1605165). You guys will probably find another hidden talent to develop and fill a hole.


This year, the NCAA introduced a new rule including dates for when players can enter the portal and not lose a year of eligibility: the first window is open for 45 days from Dec. 5 to Jan. 18, and the second from May 1-15.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-transfer-portal-tracker-2023-updates-news-teams

[Kujava23]

This is what I came up with for now. Could have a few additions/losses in the coming weeks too.

I really like the starting OL but depth at G/C seems like a concern. We have more depth/potential at DLine than we realize. Really need the LBs to step up next year. Need a 3rd corner to step up. SS is a ???



LT M Miller
H Poncius


LG G Zabel
I Zatecha


C B Westberg
I Zatecha


RG J Kubas
H Johnston


RT J Sundell
J Rock


TE J Stoffel
J Streit


WR Z Mathis
B Henderson


WR R Nelson
E Green


FB H Brozio
L Hofstedt


RB T Williams
K Johnson


QB C Miller
C Payton






DE H Zenzen
L Roques/D Hendricks


DT E Mostaert
W Mostaert


NG J Derritt
J Duttenhefer/K Huismann


DE T Pierce
J Kava/K Menz


WLB C Wisniewski
O Benson


MLB L Weerts
N Kubitz


SLB L Kopp
J Wlodarczyk


CB C Eubanks
M Sheppard


SS S Jung
R King/T Satter


FS D Jones
R Jones


CB J Price
A Coleman



I like to put the 5 best OL on field...with that said

LT M. Miller
LG J. Rock
C J. Sundell
RG J. Kubas
RT G. Zabel

[ndsubison1]

IS IT POSSIBLE that a RFR jumps some vets and plays ahead of them------WR, LB, CB, DE

Yes, youd think 1-2 should. Watch out for Alexander at CB.

[HerdBot]

Does Roques move to LB? He played some in high school. I think he could if we're desperate. We may need a transfer to bring in at Strong Safety.

If he can't get his weight up to a DE level, he's going to be limited to 3rd and longs only. He came in at 217 and got up to 227. Greg Menard was 240. Tony Pierce is 242. Typically players start to take off their junior season. He played linebacker and DE in high school. Really talented guy if his frame can add some weight

[Kujava23]

Yes, youd think 1-2 should. Watch out for Alexander at CB.

I agree...heard he had a great fall camp.....could he and Eubanks be starting CB's ?

Price PRET and bu CB & Sheppard bu CB

[heffray]

Re: Safety… Did Dom Davis graduate?

[Kujava23]

Re: Safety… Did Dom Davis graduate?


Nope he will be a SR this year and MIGHT have another yr w Covid if elects

[tolnabison]

Nope he will be a SR this year and MIGHT have another yr w Covid if elects

https://gobison.com/sports/football/roster/dom-davis/8434

Try again..

[HerdBot]

Re: Safety… Did Dom Davis graduate?


Nope he will be a SR this year and MIGHT have another yr w Covid if elects

You meant Dom Jones. Had the extra covid season not existed, he would have been a starter and impact player. I think he will be an upgrade and my prediction as an All American. Playing behind a 6th year guy was kind of unfortunate for him but he can so the same in 2 years if he chooses

[Kujava23]

https://gobison.com/sports/football/roster/dom-davis/8434

Try again..

LOL that made me laugh-----I meant Dom Jones didn't read the name he put

[HerdBot]

LOL that made me laugh-----I meant Dom Jones didn't read the name he put

Dom Davis, he's gotta be pushing 30 lol

[CAS4127]

We have Gulley coming in from MSUM. Assuming coaches don’t overthink and continue to make the D so complex (IMO the seem to be doing that) he may crack the lineup at, possibly SS with his speed?

[ndsubison1]

We have Gulley coming in from MSUM. Assuming coaches don’t overthink and continue to make the D so complex (IMO the seem to be doing that) he may crack the lineup at, possibly SS with his speed?

Good call. Could be a hybrid.

[Snowgoose]

We have Gulley coming in from MSUM. Assuming coaches don’t overthink and continue to make the D so complex (IMO the seem to be doing that) he may crack the lineup at, possibly SS with his speed?

Why not LB? Board had a somewhat similar body and we moved him to LB.

[KSBisonFan]

TE should include Finn Diggins? Still a huge position of concern.

[heffray]

Dom Davis, he's gotta be pushing 30 lol

Lol - yeah not sure why I thought he might still be around…

[Jay]

My main concern for what's returning... doesn't include incoming freshman. We are small in our front 7.

Averages

DE - 6'2" 233
DT - 6'2" 272
LB - 6'1" 216


On the benchwarmers, they talked about how Quinn moved to offence strategically because they wanted to be smaller on the DL. This was a tragic mistake in my opinion.

[Bison Bridge Guy]

My main concern for what's returning... doesn't include incoming freshman. We are small in our front 7.

Averages

DE - 6'2" 233
DT - 6'2" 272
LB - 6'1" 216


On the benchwarmers, they talked about how Quinn moved to offence strategically because they wanted to be smaller on the DL. This was a tragic mistake in my opinion.

If I remember right, the idea was to get smaller and faster so we could defend the read option/running QB offenses better. Well, I am not sure we were able to do that plus now we get pushed around by the power run game. I guess that's an argument for not reinventing yourself when you're on top (despite my agreement in another thread with what the Georgia coach said about changing to stay on top).

[HerdBot]

My main concern for what's returning... doesn't include incoming freshman. We are small in our front 7.

Averages

DE - 6'2" 233
DT - 6'2" 272
LB - 6'1" 216


On the benchwarmers, they talked about how Quinn moved to offence strategically because they wanted to be smaller on the DL. This was a tragic mistake in my opinion.


If I remember right, the idea was to get smaller and faster so we could defend the read option/running QB offenses better. Well, I am not sure we were able to do that plus now we get pushed around by the power run game. I guess that's an argument for not reinventing yourself when you're on top (despite my agreement in another thread with what the Georgia coach said about changing to stay on top).

I agree. How many read option teams actually beat us over the years when we had a big line? 1 or 2? Guarantee our D-line cant stop the SDSU power runs. Heck they struggled with Drakes run game

How good did our small quick line work against UIW?

Smaller quicker linebackers makes sense, but a small d-line and linebackers is a bad combo

[CAS4127]

Why not LB? Board had a somewhat similar body and we moved him to LB.

Not suggesting he can’t play his current position, just saying SS might be possibility.

[Jay]

My take on the depth chart with a couple position changes...

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[HerdBot]

My take on the depth chart with a couple position changes...

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Huisman started every game as a redshirt Freshman after Eli Moestart got hurt and he played decent. He's got the best frame at 6-4, 279. A good offseason with Kramer, he could be good 290+ pound player with a ton of reps for a youg guy. Will is kind of a DE if he cant add weight like his brother, or maybe a passing down DT. He started as a DE but moved inside when his brother got hurt, more put of necessity and he was clearly too light. If he can add weight he could be as good as his brother inside. I mean he is a twin lol

We dont know what we have in Toby Anene yet but he looks like a man but McCaslin will be a stud if we can hit 240+. He came in at 222 which is a rag doll at this level. But Derrek Tuszka was almost identical as a true freshman and when he hit 240 he was a hell of a player
https://gobison.com/sports/football/roster/derrek-tuszka/8489#sidearm-roster-player-stats

[Snowgoose]

I guess that's an argument for not reinventing yourself when you're on top (despite my agreement in another thread with what the Georgia coach said about changing to stay on top).

Someone like CAS should listen to Kirby Smarts pregame discussion from the other night about what he changed on his defense to make it better. But I think the main thing they did Is actually beef up the middle which is our weakness.

[Jay]

Huisman started every game as a redshirt Freshman after Eli Moestart got hurt and he played decent. He's got the best frame at 6-4, 279. A good offseason with Kramer, he could be good 290+ pound player with a ton of reps for a youg guy. Will is kind of a DE if he cant add weight like his brother, or maybe a passing down DT. He started as a DE but moved inside when his brother got hurt, more put of necessity and he was clearly too light. If he can add weight he could be as good as his brother inside. I mean he is a twin lol

We dont know what we have in Toby Anene yet but he looks like a man but McCaslin will be a stud if we can hit 240+. He came in at 222 which is a rag doll at this level. But Derrek Tuszka was almost identical as a true freshman and when he hit 240 he was a hell of a player
https://gobison.com/sports/football/roster/derrek-tuszka/8489#sidearm-roster-player-stats

I def missed him on the depth chart, but he started zero games. But did play his best football in the playoffs.

[BisManBison]

My main concern for what's returning... doesn't include incoming freshman. We are small in our front 7.

Averages

DE - 6'2" 233
DT - 6'2" 272
LB - 6'1" 216


On the benchwarmers, they talked about how Quinn moved to offence strategically because they wanted to be smaller on the DL. This was a tragic mistake in my opinion.

Strategery

N. An ill-conceived and/or poorly-executed plan of action by meatheads (which would be considered "strategy" were it not so ill-conceived and/or poorly-executed).

[HerdBot]

I def missed him on the depth chart, but he started zero games. But did play his best football in the playoffs.

You're right he didnt start but he was on the 2 deep after Eli was hurt. 14 games played

[tony]

Someone like CAS should listen to Kirby Smarts pregame discussion from the other night about what he changed on his defense to make it better. But I think the main thing they did Is actually beef up the middle which is our weakness.

History repeats itself: When Bohl game in, the coaching staff immediately identified the DL as the main problem. We had one of our best DL transfer to Minnesota-Duluth. They also started valuing athleticism on the OL.

Under Babich, Leif Murphy and Isaac Snell at OLB were bigger than our DTs and NGs. Come to think of it, those two are bigger than our current DEs.

Babich's DTs and NGs were between 243 and 267 (there was a 299 freshman, but it wasn't football weight.)

Bohl came in and one of the promising DL transferred to Duluth. Bohl brought in two JUCO transfers, Dwight Summerville a 285 lber (safety against Montana!) and Travis Ware, both immediate difference makers. He also moved Derek Arndt to TE and moved Snell to DT. Murphy had graduated or that defense would have been good enough to win a final D2 championship, imo, with him at DE.

[Snowgoose]

Our dline this year was kind of screwed up. Waege was one of the biggest and played DEnand in the past he probably would have been a DT at least on passing downs and I think very highly of Waege as he was fantastic. I would think if we stick to the 4-3 we quick athletic ends and big run stuffers up the middle. We seemed to have neither this year at times which injuries did contribute to that. I still would really like to see at least one guy that is 290 or so to really take up blockers in the middle.

[Strategery]

Strategery

N. An ill-conceived and/or poorly-executed plan of action by meatheads (which would be considered "strategy" were it not so ill-conceived and/or poorly-executed).

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ten character

[tony]

Our dline this year was kind of screwed up. Waege was one of the biggest and played DEnand in the past he probably would have been a DT at least on passing downs and I think very highly of Waege as he was fantastic. I would think if we stick to the 4-3 we quick athletic ends and big run stuffers up the middle. We seemed to have neither this year at times which injuries did contribute to that. I still would really like to see at least one guy that is 290 or so to really take up blockers in the middle.

I think the DL will sort itself out... I used the 2002 to 2003 to show how little it takes. Our younger guys will have the offseason to get better, and they showed plenty of promise on the DL so I'm not so worried about that. The obvious worry is that whatever we were trying to do on defense against SDSU was an abject failure.

On offense, I'm excited to see what the young WRs we signed last year bring. But, in my mind, everything always starts with the defense.

[Strategery]

Strategery

N. An ill-conceived and/or poorly-executed plan of action by meatheads (which would be considered "strategy" were it not so ill-conceived and/or poorly-executed).

2. A very quiet but underrated Bisonville poster.

[ndsubison1]

Defensive Line is going to be fine. We lost 3 guys (4 if you count Eli), 2 who chose not to use the extra year at DT, so we thrusted 2 RFR in there. The depth we now have 5 guys who should be at least decent in the middle. Eli we know is a stud. But if you cant stop the run up the middle, everything else doesnt matter.

DE- Need a stud. Hendricks/Menz young but promising. Pierce I thought would be better but is serviceable. Kava and Roques are good for depth. McCaslin played 2 games I believe.

[heffray]

Strategery

N. An ill-conceived and/or poorly-executed plan of action by meatheads (which would be considered "strategy" were it not so ill-conceived and/or poorly-executed).

2. A very quiet but underrated Bisonville poster.

I was wondering if you were going to show up…

[HerdBot]

Defensive Line is going to be fine. We lost 3 guys (4 if you count Eli), 2 who chose not to use the extra year at DT, so we thrusted 2 RFR in there. The depth we now have 5 guys who should be at least decent in the middle. Eli we know is a stud. But if you cant stop the run up the middle, everything else doesnt matter.

DE- Need a stud. Hendricks/Menz young but promising. Pierce I thought would be better but is serviceable. Kava and Roques are good for depth. McCaslin played 2 games I believe.

It all depends on how much these guys improve in the offseason. Eli needs to go from good to great. (He was pre season All American but he didnt prove it on the field in his limited time)

Will has a lot of work to do on his frame and needs to add 20 pounds to get to his brothers size. Knowing which position he's going to play will help.

Javier Derritt needs a breakout season as a Senior

Duttenhefer was a redshirt freshman, so he will improve. Same is true of Kody Huisman but they need great offseasons

That would give us 5 DTs with way more experience than last year. If all of that happens we will be good

DEs we lost Waege, who clearly didn't recover from his knee. He had flashes but you could tell he was dinged up. We have a lot of guys but we need someone to become the dude. Could Zenzen be the guy? Will Pierce have a breakout senior year? Hendricks has a nice frame. Kava is short like Pierce but he is servicable. Not sure what to think of Menz. I never would have dreamed he would be playing as a redshirt freshman.

I really want to see McCaslin get up to 240 and become the dude. I really want to see Toby Anene do the same

[Bisman]

Defensive Line is going to be fine.

SDSU rushed for 283 yards in the championship game. (UIW rushed for 257 yards in the semifinal.)

If NDSU can cut that number in half, on November 4th, I think they will be fine. :)

[HerdBot]

SDSU rushed for 283 yards in the championship game. (UIW rushed for 257 yards in the semifinal.)

If NDSU can cut that number in half, on November 4th, I think they will be fine. :)

SDSU is returning every starter on the o-line too. They will be phenomenal

[Bisman]

Yes they will be. The only offensive starter they lose is Tucker Kraft and they have Zach Heins to replace him. They have done an excellent job of recruiting.

https://www.argusleader.com/story/sports/college/south-dakota-state-university/2023/01/12/south-dakota-state-football-has-pieces-in-place-to-repeat-as-champions/69794599007/

[AlumniGreen]

We can say it until the cows come home, THEN what is stopping NDSU from doing the same? We were and perhaps still are the Gold Standard. If we have done substandard jobs in recruiting, then FIX it. Put the egos aside and take a hard look what has gone wrong. Didn't we used to have a Florida pipeline for example? Maybe we still do. I just have not been hearing about it. SDSU looked at us for their model on how to build and recruit. It is strange to see blue-clad football players on the victory platform by the way. Jarring actually.

[Professor Chaos]

We can say it until the cows come home, THEN what is stopping NDSU from doing the same? We were and perhaps still are the Gold Standard. If we have done substandard jobs in recruiting, then FIX it. Put the egos aside and take a hard look what has gone wrong. Didn't we used to have a Florida pipeline for example? Maybe we still do. I just have not been hearing about it. SDSU looked at us for their model on how to build and recruit. It is strange to see blue-clad football players on the victory platform by the way. Jarring actually.
As Lou Holtz said "the other schools give scholarships too".

NDSU's run of dominance lasted an incredibly and unnaturally long time. It was not sustainable. The good news is NDSU knows better than anyone else the formula to get back there but it also takes a fair amount of luck.

[89MTBISON]

Standing along the barrier for both teams' walk up to the stadium on Sunday, it was pretty glaring the obvious size difference between NDSU and sdsu. We NEED to get back to recruiting truly big (read tall) boys, especially on the O and D lines, and trusting our staff to build them into men. As much as we have been QBU, we've also been tall TEU. No longer apparently.

[56BISON73]

Standing along the barrier for both teams' walk up to the stadium on Sunday, it was pretty glaring the obvious size difference between NDSU and sdsu. We NEED to get back to recruiting truly big (read tall) boys, especially on the O and D lines, and trusting our staff to build them into men. As much as we have been QBU, we've also been tall TEU. No longer apparently.

I dont know why we have changed to Smaller and Quicker when It never worked for our opponents?????

[89MTBISON]

I dont know why we have changed to Smaller and Quicker when It never worked for our opponents?????

Our D line is starting to look like ME. Give me 4 Nate Tanguays and 4 Cole Jirik's.

[CAS4127]

I dont know why we have changed to Smaller and Quicker when It never worked for our opponents?????

Plus, why fix something that wasn’t broken on Dline? If you can keep LBs (assuming decent size/speed) clean, that’s a recipe for a good run-D. A once-in-lifetime Travis Beck may show up too.

It’s like we became “them” and “they” became us, and passed us by.

ORIGINS of Entz and Braun is something called Winona State. It’s sometimes difficult to abandon your historical roots.

[56BISON73]

plus, why fix something that wasn’t broken on dline? If you can keep lbs (assuming decent size/speed) clean, that’s a recipe for a good run-d. A once-in-lifetime travis beck may show up too.

It’s like we became “them” and “they” became us, and passed us by.

Origins of entz and braun is something called winona state. It’s sometimes difficult to abandon your historical roots.

exactly!!!!!!!

[ndsubison1]

Plus, why fix something that wasn’t broken on Dline? If you can keep LBs (assuming decent size/speed) clean, that’s a recipe for a good run-D. A once-in-lifetime Travis Beck may show up too.

It’s like we became “them” and “they” became us, and passed us by.

ORIGINS of Entz and Braun is something called Winona State. It’s sometimes difficult to abandon your historical roots.

SDSU might be even better next season. Interesting that they're still looking to schedule their 11th game.

First team to beat us twice in same season since 94 I believe

[HerdBot]

I dont know why we have changed to Smaller and Quicker when It never worked for our opponents?????


Our D line is starting to look like ME. Give me 4 Nate Tanguays and 4 Cole Jirik's.


Plus, why fix something that wasn’t broken on Dline? If you can keep LBs (assuming decent size/speed) clean, that’s a recipe for a good run-D. A once-in-lifetime Travis Beck may show up too.

It’s like we became “them” and “they” became us, and passed us by.

ORIGINS of Entz and Braun is something called Winona State. It’s sometimes difficult to abandon your historical roots.


exactly!!!!!!!

Wow this is the first time ever EVERYONE universally agrees on Bisonville! Even Mike McFeely and Dom Izzo agree. Its like am alternate universe. The only place that wont touch it is Bison 1660

[heffray]

Wow this is the first time ever EVERYONE universally agrees on Bisonville! Even Mike McFeely and Dom Izzo agree. Its like am alternate universe. The only place that wont touch it is Bison 1660

Kumbaya, my lord… kumbayaaaaaaa…

[ZHerd]

Looking back at 2012-2013 roster the DT then were not much heavier than now but were taller. Same for DE though Menard wasn’t tall (and ya he wasn’t on team then just example that talent can trump lack of height)
. Our TE back then were not taller than guys on our roster this year. Difference is we used TE back then. Imo Josh Babisch and Gindorff were taller and more talented than any TE on our roster in 2013. I’m hoping some younger guys on our d-line step up but we have a handful of guys that I think if were going to shine they would have done so by now. I don’t want to sound like a negative Nelly but I’m not super excited about improvement on our front 7 next year. I think we have been recruiting poorly and are paying for it.

[Snowgoose]

Looking back at 2012-2013 roster the DT then were not much heavier than now but were taller. Same for DE though Menard wasn’t tall (and ya he wasn’t on team then just example that talent can trump lack of height)
. Our TE back then were not taller than guys on our roster this year. Difference is we used TE back then. Imo Josh Babisch and Gindorff were taller and more talented than any TE on our roster in 2013. I’m hoping some younger guys on our d-line step up but we have a handful of guys that I think if were going to shine they would have done so by now. I don’t want to sound like a negative Nelly but I’m not super excited about improvement on our front 7 next year. I think we have been recruiting poorly and are paying for it.

Don’t get stuck on height guys. Ben Ellefson was only 6’3”. Let’s see let’s get a 6’5” that’s a tad slower than a 6’2” or 6’3” guy. Nope give me the smaller guy. It’s about talent and two inches may not make a difference. While height does matter it isn’t the end all be all. Bryce young is only 6’0” and not big at all and he plays for arguably the best team in the country that can recruit anybody. Why don’t they have a 6’4” qb cause he should be better based on height shouldn’t he. Best dlineman in the country Jalen Carter is only 6’3”. I will say I can’t figure why we can turn olineman from 245 to 300 left and right and we can’t do that with a few DT.

[ZHerd]

Don’t get stuck on height guys. Ben Ellefson was only 6’3”. Let’s see let’s get a 6’5” that’s a tad slower than a 6’2” or 6’3” guy. Nope give me the smaller guy. It’s about talent and two inches may not make a difference. While height does matter it isn’t the end all be all. Bryce young is only 6’0” and not big at all and he plays for arguably the best team in the country that can recruit anybody. Why don’t they have a 6’4” qb cause he should be better based on height shouldn’t he. Best dlineman in the country Jalen Carter is only 6’3”. I will say I can’t figure why we can turn olineman from 245 to 300 left and right and we can’t do that with a few DT.

I was making comparison but I’m not sure how much the height ultimately matters. Even o-line guys can be HUGE but terrible. My greatest concern is I think that we are untalented up front. Typically we have had 3 or 4 studs in our d-line rotation. This year we had 1. Next year do we have any? Again I hope some young guys will step up big next year

[HerdBot]

I was making comparison but I’m not sure how much the height ultimately matters. Even o-line guys can be HUGE but terrible. My greatest concern is I think that we are untalented up front. Typically we have had 3 or 4 studs in our d-line rotation. This year we had 1. Next year do we have any? Again I hope some young guys will step up big next year

For the O-line and D-line its huge. Getting a 6-0, 300 pounder is simple. They are a dime a dozen. Getting a 6-6, 225-250 pound bean pole and adding 30-50 pounds of lean muscle and the athleticism of Thor is next level. That would be your Haegs, Volsons, Tuzkas, Perrys, Machs, etc

However I think thr 6-6 TE is overrated. We have had some really good normal sized TEs like Ellefson and Bonnet. He wasnt the biggest but he was agile. Stofl is going to be great too

[gavin2126]

SDSU might be even better next season. Interesting that they're still looking to schedule their 11th game.

First team to beat us twice in same season since 94 I believe

They could end up having something like 12 or 13 super seniors next season. Will not only be very talented but very experienced.

[HerdBot]

They could end up having something like 12 or 13 super seniors next season. Will not only be very talented but very experienced.

Good thing we dont play them until November, when we start peaking as a team. Could be opposite of this year. They get a ton of injuries. We stay healthy. Some young players start to peak

2024 they will look very different

[heffray]

Good thing we dont play them until November, when we start peaking as a team. Could be opposite of this year. They get a ton of injuries. We stay healthy. Some young players start to peak

2024 they will look very different

Agree with this. Paper means shit. Every year is different.

[CAS4127]

Good thing we dont play them until November, when we start peaking as a team. Could be opposite of this year. They get a ton of injuries. We stay healthy. Some young players start to peak

2024 they will look very different

Which November did we last peak in?

[Bison Dan]

This year’s team never had great chemistry- too many mistakes all year long.

[CAS4127]

This year’s team never had great chemistry- too many mistakes all year long.

Ive mentioned to a few of my Bison friends that I thought there was a lack of true player leadership. It’s important to have that, as sometimes those leaders have to be the voice of the players back to the coaches/staff. I know they have all the player leadership panels or whatever, but those seem contrived and are still managed by coaches/staff rather than original messages coming from the players, and sometimes those player messages are in direct contrast to what coaches and staff are doing, saying, planning or even calling on the field. It can and should be uncomfortable and challenging for coaches/staff. It’s ok the “mix it up” a bit from a player-coach/staff relationship standpoint. Change is hard sometimes.

[oldmantutters]

Ive mentioned to a few of my Bison friends that I thought there was a lack of true player leadership. It’s important to have that, as sometimes those leaders have to be the voice of the players back to the coaches/staff. I know they have all the player leadership panels or whatever, but those seem contrived and are still managed by coaches/staff rather than original messages coming from the players, and sometimes those player messages are in direct contrast to what coaches and staff are doing, saying, planning or even calling on the field. It can and should be uncomfortable and challenging for coaches/staff. It’s ok the “mix it up” a bit from a player-coach/staff relationship standpoint. Change is hard sometimes.Or, maybe there was leadership from the wrong players. Just a thought from someone on the outside

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[CAS4127]

Or, maybe there was leadership from the wrong players. Just a thought from someone on the outside

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Very possible. I have experience that personally. See 1987 season. Personal agendas, animosity and or personal preferences over those of the team.

[scbison91]

Very possible. I have experience that personally. See 1987 season. Personal agendas, animosity and or personal preferences over those of the team.1987 was my freshman year at ndsu. Knew there were injuries but didn't know there were other issues.

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[AlumniGreen]

We become leaders when we have good role models. Football players look up to the coaches for direction and will emulate leadership qualities they admire. Easton Stick and Carson Wentz (off the top of my head) had great leadership qualities. I, too, have gotten a sense that there are not true or clear leaders recently and the culture doesn't seem as impressive as years past. When I went to NDSU (as a female I could not play football but I still made observations), we did not use the word "culture' but we knew that the players ideally would have each others backs and would bond over shared goals.

[Tony Almeida]

We can talk about Entz's recruiting now? But I thought we lost our Bison card doing so and the green and gold glasses must stay on on BV.
SDSU knew they had to do something different to win like the Bison so Stigs recruited like the Bison and look at them now. Entz and his staff on the other hand...well...I've got my glasses on.

[SDbison]

We can talk about Entz's recruiting now? But I thought we lost our Bison card doing so and the green and gold glasses must stay on on BV.
SDSU knew they had to do something different to win like the Bison so Stigs recruited like the Bison and look at them now. Entz and his staff on the other hand...well...I've got my glasses on.
Since Entz took over recruiting has declined. Lack of big lineman on D especially, lack of tall TEs, etc.

[AlumniGreen]

The foundation of football is recruiting. This foundation is crumbling if that is not addressed or rectified.

[reformedUNDfan]

Which November did we last peak in?

2018

Ten char

Edit: I think there is a case for 2021

[HerdBot]

Which November did we last peak in?

November was basically every regular season game after the SDSU loss when we played good footbal. Although that usually carries over into the playoffs. At least it did under Klieman.

Under our current coordinators we have struggled at times in December.

[bruinbison]

We can talk about Entz's recruiting now? But I thought we lost our Bison card doing so and the green and gold glasses must stay on on BV.
SDSU knew they had to do something different to win like the Bison so Stigs recruited like the Bison and look at them now. Entz and his staff on the other hand...well...I've got my glasses on.

When could you not talk about Bison recruiting???
Do you have examples?

[bruinbison]

Since Entz took over recruiting has declined. Lack of big lineman on D especially, lack of tall TEs, etc.

The tall TE’s may already be on campus, it’s just a matter of who, hopefully, steps forward next season. Plus Joe Stoffel will be around for another year or two at a size closer to Ben Ellefson.
Carson Williams - 6’ 4” 240 RFr
Finn Diggins - 6’ 4” 247 RFr
Kelby Azure - 6’ 4” 227 FR
Kaden Zenzen - 6’ 4” 227 FR
Nate Forystek - 6’ 5” 237 FR

Overall I would mention that by 247’s standards the Bison are still doing very well recruiting.
That would be regarding number of stars/ratings/number of offers.
But yes, the height/overall size of the OL/DL seems smaller.
Does not mean they can’t be very good players, but it can change things.

I’ve been surprised the Bison have not found a 6’ 5” + prospect in the portal, especially after losing 6’ 6” FR Max Rader to the Portal. And especially with the two OL that NDSU did offer in the portal both being under 6’ 5”. I’ve mentioned a number of times that the majority of OL starting for NDSU since the 2011 season or so have been 6’ 5” +, so would like to see another big Ram join the team. 2 of the recruits who did sign in the early period were 6’ 5”, two were 6’ 3”.

[SiouxHockeyBisonFo]

With all the super seniors the last couple of years I call complete bullshit on recruiting issues. Nobody has any idea what the entz recruiting classes look like at this point.

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[wan2bqb]

With all the super seniors the last couple of years I call complete bullshit on recruiting issues. Nobody has any idea what the entz recruiting classes look like at this point.

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This is the correct take. Super seniors have thrown the recruiting cycle out of whack. Caused players to leave because they are stuck behind returning seniors. Also the motto those who stay will be champions causes im sure some issues with people staying and coaches showing loyalty when there is possibly a youngers pushing him but we value loyalty so it keeps the youngster down. If not for super seniors Sigle would have been on the field much more this year.

[GreenfieldBison]

With all the super seniors the last couple of years I call complete bullshit on recruiting issues. Nobody has any idea what the entz recruiting classes look like at this point.

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Nah, sorry. They recruited in the same environment that Stig did.

[SiouxHockeyBisonFo]

Nah, sorry. They recruited in the same environment that Stig did.Nope. Most of the guys playing weren't even his recruits. The next couple years will tell way more about this coaching staffs recruits. take a look at the 2019 roster before continuing this argument.

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[CAS4127]

Nah, sorry. They recruited in the same environment that Stig did.

Then it depends on proper ability to evaluate talent/potential. I’m not sold on that. I recall thing Dom G. Wasn’t the right back for us. We know how that turned out.

[HerdBot]

Nope. Most of the guys playing weren't even his recruits. The next couple years will tell way more about this coaching staffs recruits. take a look at the 2019 roster before continuing this argument.

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Keep in mind Entz and Hedberg recruited Minnesota, our largest state. It was partially his territory under Klieman. He was the guy who got many great players. Klieman was the closer. Goeser and Roehl recruitred many great players as well. What we miss is the great work Klanderman and Austin did.

Entz recruits insanely good character kids. Under Bohl, we had some years where a dozen players were getting arrested or flunking out of school. But Bohl did take some chances on players like John Crockett, who became not only a great player but a good student. Entz is super conservative

[Snowgoose]

[QUOTE=HerdBot;1606172
Entz recruits insanely good character kids. Under Bohl, we had some years where a dozen players were getting arrested or flunking out of school. But Bohl did take some chances on players like John Crockett, who became not only a great player but a good student. Entz is super conservative[/QUOTE]

This team for the last 12 years during this run has had an unbelievably high level of high quality students. The lack of college kids getting in trouble has been really unbelievable and that goes to the coaches and players keeping people accountable. Yes there has been an incident or two but it seems the level of high character student athletes has been fantastic and something to brag about.

[Son of a Bison]

F - dback depth took another hit

[bstark28]

With Bussey and Johnson now in the Portal...we're fortunate that TaMerick is coming back for his "super senior" year, or else we would've been up shit creek without a paddle. Williams, Marshall, and Kpeenu will get the bulk of the carries, in an extremely thin RB room...does incoming Freshman, Marty Brown, now get forced into immediate playing time? May need to try and target a Portal guy or two ourselves for the late signing period.

[ndsubison1]

Depth chart updated. We need a portal RB for depth. TK Marshall is serviceable but I prefer him as our #3 back.

[El_Chapo]

Updated: 1/20/23

This is what I came up with for now. Could have a few additions/losses in the coming weeks too.

I really like the starting OL but depth at G/C seems like a concern. We have more depth/potential at DLine than we realize. Really need the LBs to step up next year. Need a 3rd corner to step up. SS is a ???



LT M Miller
H Poncius


LG G Zabel
I Zatecha


C B Westberg
I Zatecha


RG J Kubas
H Johnston


RT J Sundell
J Rock


TE J Stoffel
J Streit


WR Z Mathis
B Henderson/C Hegerle


WR R Nelson
E Green/M Collins/B Lance


FB H Brozio
L Hofstedt


RB T Williams
T Marshall


QB C Miller
C Payton






DE H Zenzen
L Roques/D Hendricks


DT E Mostaert
W Mostaert/K Huismann


NG J Derritt
J Duttenhefer/K Huismann


DE T Pierce
J Kava/K Menz


WLB C Wisniewski
M Gulley


MLB L Weerts
N Kubitz


SLB L Kopp
O Benson


CB M Sheppard
J Alexander


SS J Wlodarczyk
S Jung


FS R Jones
R King


CB J Price
A Coleman



with the FCS so PUD this Depth Chart is a Final 4 team.

[23Bison]

Portal Wish List: 1 RB (Bruce Anderson mold), 1 TE (6-5 Noah mold), 1-2 CB, 1 S, 1 DT (Bonafide Manbearpig), 1 LB and 1 (Good) DC.

[Jay]

Depth chart updated. We need a portal RB for depth. TK Marshall is serviceable but I prefer him as our #3 back.

Coleman is gone. We need serious help in the DB room.

Alexander/Shepherd at CB... Price/Wlodarczyk at safety.

Jones/King/Givance adding some depth. Or keep Price at CB and rely heavily on young talent. We 100% need portal help.

[HerdBot]

With Bussey and Johnson now in the Portal...we're fortunate that TaMerick is coming back for his "super senior" year, or else we would've been up shit creek without a paddle. Williams, Marshall, and Kpeenu will get the bulk of the carries, in an extremely thin RB room...does incoming Freshman, Marty Brown, now get forced into immediate playing time? May need to try and target a Portal guy or two ourselves for the late signing period.

T-Mac will have a huge year but we will be able to fill the RB spot. All these guys started or played valuable time as true or redshirt freshman. Bruce Anderson, Lance Dunn, Chase Morlock, Ty Brooks, Seth Wilson, etc... Whether we find a stud true freshman, a transfer portal guy or watch guys like Kpeenu, TK Marshall, or an under the radar guy like Owen Johnson take his game to the next level, we can fill it. Owen started his redshirt Freshman year at 5-10, 211. Strong runner who fits our system. But we need to fill some spots for sure.

[KSBisonFan]

Who are some candidates to switch positions to CB, S, or RB?

[CAS4127]

Depth chart updated. We need a portal RB for depth. TK Marshall is serviceable but I prefer him as our #3 back.

Not so sure we shouldn’t do more of the Portal with RBs. The NFL doesn’t even put a premium on them anymore. Lots of great backs out there.

But I’ll say that TR really needs to get his shit together in a hurry and have a more dynamic attack, just like we need more dynamic RBs.

I mean, run some stretch zone blocking like SDSU does and let your RBs just make some plays.

Juat like it’s time for our AD to step up, so is it for TR, or he needs to be gone. Period.

And we need a solid DC with some creativity and balls. Not to be nostalgic or sound like I’m bragging, but my DC actually designed specific blitzes just to allow me to get to QB/blow play up because of my speed (not size). Get effing busy already. If we have elite defender(s) use him/them. Our blitz package this year sucked and was terrible in timing.

[Tarentaise]

I dont know why we have changed to Smaller and Quicker when It never worked for our opponents?????

I have a thought. Back in the late 60s we had two huge defensive tackles. One was Mr. Hanson who played for the Giants and was 6ft-5''and 290 pounds and the other whose name escapes me but he was killed in a duck hunting accident on an off
week from a shotgun. His number was later retired and he would have had a huge NFL career. He was 6ft 6'' and 250. Those two made it impossible to run up the middle. I think we should move two offensive lineman to defense. I suggest Max Rader
who is 6' 6''and 245 #. He is a very agressive player and good on his feet and could bulk up to 290 pounds. The other player is Hunter Poncius who is 6'8''and 311 pounds.He played hockey in high school . I know some will say he's too big or just leave
on offense. But could you imagine those two in the middle of the defensive line knocking down passes and stopping the run. Braden Rucker could be brought over too from the offensive line. Entz just won't think outside of the box. Entz is the poorest
coach since we moved to division one and i have felt we should never have made Roehl the offensive coordinator. I've said enough and look forward to the rebuttal.

[heffray]

I have a thought. Back in the late 60s we had two huge defensive tackles. One was Mr. Hanson who played for the Giants and was 6ft-5''and 290 pounds and the other whose name escapes me but he was killed in a duck hunting accident on an off
week from a shotgun. His number was later retired and he would have had a huge NFL career. He was 6ft 6'' and 250. Those two made it impossible to run up the middle. I think we should move two offensive lineman to defense. I suggest Max Rader
who is 6' 6''and 245 #. He is a very agressive player and good on his feet and could bulk up to 290 pounds. The other player is Hunter Poncius who is 6'8''and 311 pounds.He played hockey in high school . I know some will say he's too big or just leave
on offense. But could you imagine those two in the middle of the defensive line knocking down passes and stopping the run. Braden Rucker could be brought over too from the offensive line. Entz just won't think outside of the box. Entz is the poorest
coach since we moved to division one and i have felt we should never have made Roehl the offensive coordinator. I've said enough and look forward to the rebuttal.

Rader transferred to Sconny.

[dufferole]

I have a thought. Back in the late 60s we had two huge defensive tackles. One was Mr. Hanson who played for the Giants and was 6ft-5''and 290 pounds and the other whose name escapes me but he was killed in a duck hunting accident on an off
week from a shotgun. His number was later retired and he would have had a huge NFL career. He was 6ft 6'' and 250. Those two made it impossible to run up the middle. I think we should move two offensive lineman to defense. I suggest Max Rader
who is 6' 6''and 245 #. He is a very agressive player and good on his feet and could bulk up to 290 pounds. The other player is Hunter Poncius who is 6'8''and 311 pounds.He played hockey in high school . I know some will say he's too big or just leave
on offense. But could you imagine those two in the middle of the defensive line knocking down passes and stopping the run. Braden Rucker could be brought over too from the offensive line. Entz just won't think outside of the box. Entz is the poorest
coach since we moved to division one and i have felt we should never have made Roehl the offensive coordinator. I've said enough and look forward to the rebuttal.

The player was Paul Bothof.

[bisoningrandforks]

I heard there was 5 that transfered in so far...anyone have a list and details?

[Jay]

I heard there was 5 that transfered in so far...anyone have a list and details?

Zenzen - DE
Zatechka - interior OL
Shepherd - CB
Gulley - LB

[Jim Puetz]

Zenzen - DE
Zatechka - interior OL
Shepherd - CB
Gulley - LB

El Chirpo - P5 cheerleader

[GFBison]

We can talk about Entz's recruiting now? But I thought we lost our Bison card doing so and the green and gold glasses must stay on on BV.
SDSU knew they had to do something different to win like the Bison so Stigs recruited like the Bison and look at them now. Entz and his staff on the other hand...well...I've got my glasses on.

Well if you want Entz to be like Stig you have to give him 20 more years to develop. Bringing in great coordinators make great head coaches, that’s the only explanation for Stig finally getting his trophy.


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[GFBison]

The tall TE’s may already be on campus, it’s just a matter of who, hopefully, steps forward next season. Plus Joe Stoffel will be around for another year or two at a size closer to Ben Ellefson.
Carson Williams - 6’ 4” 240 RFr
Finn Diggins - 6’ 4” 247 RFr
Kelby Azure - 6’ 4” 227 FR
Kaden Zenzen - 6’ 4” 227 FR
Nate Forystek - 6’ 5” 237 FR

Overall I would mention that by 247’s standards the Bison are still doing very well recruiting.
That would be regarding number of stars/ratings/number of offers.
But yes, the height/overall size of the OL/DL seems smaller.
Does not mean they can’t be very good players, but it can change things.

I’ve been surprised the Bison have not found a 6’ 5” + prospect in the portal, especially after losing 6’ 6” FR Max Rader to the Portal. And especially with the two OL that NDSU did offer in the portal both being under 6’ 5”. I’ve mentioned a number of times that the majority of OL starting for NDSU since the 2011 season or so have been 6’ 5” +, so would like to see another big Ram join the team. 2 of the recruits who did sign in the early period were 6’ 5”, two were 6’ 3”.

Isn’t it early on in recruiting the current portal list? Guys were still entering a few days ago. Must be a lot of research and recruitment to be done. If we recruited some candidates before they would have a head start on those. Seems like it may take a while to find the right fit.


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[mtoutfitter]

Isn’t it early on in recruiting the current portal list? Guys were still entering a few days ago. Must be a lot of research and recruitment to be done. If we recruited some candidates before they would have a head start on those. Seems like it may take a while to find the right fit.


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No No. You just offer 3 and 4 stars or P5 drop downs. Pay no attention to character or team fit, at least acoording to one poster.

[bruinbison]

Isn’t it early on in recruiting the current portal list? Guys were still entering a few days ago. Must be a lot of research and recruitment to be done. If we recruited some candidates before they would have a head start on those. Seems like it may take a while to find the right fit.


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Yes and No.

Yes to new names as you reference, plus there is a later open portal period later this spring. Plus the many names who have yet to find a home.

No to those who tranfers who wanted to be enrolled in time for 2nd semester - a lot of them got their decision made accordingly.

With all this Transfer Portal activity, plus Super Seniors occupying many schollies nationwide, I still have hopes for more high school players signing also. Could be some nice prospects who have trouble finding a home when the music stops……unless FBS teams start throwing enough NIL money around to make up for not having a scholarship.

[southcliffbison]

Yes and No.

Yes to new names as you reference, plus there is a later open portal period later this spring. Plus the many names who have yet to find a home.

No to those who tranfers who wanted to be enrolled in time for 2nd semester - a lot of them got their decision made accordingly.

With all this Transfer Portal activity, plus Super Seniors occupying many schollies nationwide, I still have hopes for more high school players signing also. Could be some nice prospects who have trouble finding a home when the music stops……unless FBS teams start throwing enough NIL money around to make up for not having a scholarship.

Gawd, what a mess !!!

[Tony Almeida]

Well if you want Entz to be like Stig you have to give him 20 more years to develop. Bringing in great coordinators make great head coaches, that’s the only explanation for Stig finally getting his trophy.
That's half of it. Entz and his boys are the other half. Hence, the argument of smaller players and what have you. Stig finally succeeding has to do with the absence of Kleiman.

[ndsubison1]

Some updates due to a few position changes and Pierce leaving. Even without Tony I like our DLine. C Wisniewski playing Safety in Spring. This has become more of a hybrid position with LB anyways in the last few years. Jalen Sundell listed as Center. Zatecha not with the team until fall Im sure he will be a main backup. I have M Miller as our LT for next two years. Who wins RT battle? Rock? Poncius? Depth is a concern overall. Reggie King now a CB. On paper we have a lot of bodies at WR. Hope the young guys can step up. Lets see some more 3 & 4 WR sets. We are a power run team first, but at some point Roehl needs to open his eyes and add some more dimensions to the offense. Big year for Cam Miller. Will he take a step forward? He needs to or I can see him losing the job at some point.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

https://twitter.com/KolpackInForum/status/1649025289870098437?cxt=HHwWioC-xfTwweItAAAA

6 2 190 corners are rare in FCS, apparently
I’d say so are 6 4 220 safeties. That’s like Joey Browner size. 2” taller in fact

Should be an interesting fall camp, and it will be here before you know it …

[ndsubison1]

Updated Depth Chart Projection



LT M Miller
H Poncius


LG G Zabel
I Zatecha


C J Sundell
B Westburg


RG J Kubas
I Zatecha


RT J Rock
H Poncius


TE J Stoffel
J Streit


WR Z Mathis
B Henderson/C Hegerle/B Lance


WR R Nelson
J Lippe/E Green/M Collins


FB H Brozio
L Hofstedt


RB T Williams
T Marshall


QB C Miller
C Payton






DE H Zenzen
L Roques/D Hendricks


DT E Mostaert
W Mostaert/K Huismann


NG J Derritt
J Duttenhefer/K Huismann


DE J Kava
K Menz/D Hendricks


WLB J Wlodarczyk
M Gulley


MLB L Weerts
N Kubitz


SLB L Kopp
O Benson


CB M Sheppard
J Alexander


SS C Wisniewski
S Jung


FS R Jones
T Satter


CB J Price
R King

[Jim Puetz]

I think McCaslin will challenge the entire DE room for playing time. Kid is a beast.

[ndsubison1]

I think McCaslin will challenge the entire DE room for playing time. Kid is a beast.

I hope so.

[Kevin]

bros i was thinking today you guys remember that 300 pound qb that kentucky had in like the 90's

why don't we do that

just find a fat guy and make him qb and then when we call qb power 8 times a quarter we'll at least have a bowling ball rolling strikes

[Kevin]

bros i was thinking today you guys remember that 300 pound qb that kentucky had in like the 90's

why don't we do that

just find a fat guy and make him qb and then when we call qb power 8 times a quarter we'll at least have a bowling ball rolling strikes

better yet can we just start feeding cole payton a bunch of carbs

[heffray]

bros i was thinking today you guys remember that 300 pound qb that kentucky had in like the 90's

why don't we do that

just find a fat guy and make him qb and then when we call qb power 8 times a quarter we'll at least have a bowling ball rolling strikes

Jared Lorenzen. That guy fucked. RIP:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WZml49fSdbc

[Kevin]

Jared Lorenzen. That guy fucked. RIP:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WZml49fSdbc

Hefty Lefty 2.0 bro

#FeedPayton

#Literallybro

[heffray]

Hefty Lefty 2.0 bro

#FeedPayton

#Literallybro

I am all in on this plan.

[BISONBRI53]

bros i was thinking today you guys remember that 300 pound qb that kentucky had in like the 90's

why don't we do that

just find a fat guy and make him qb and then when we call qb power 8 times a quarter we'll at least have a bowling ball rolling strikes

Only 8? Must be saving it for the playoffs!

[Kevin]

I am all in on this plan.

since the uh... incident with the bisonville collective i'm legally unable to raise funds for such purposes.

however, there's nothing stopping me from buying cole payton uber eats vouchers

whats the fastest way to get fat in fargo? it took most of us years to pull it off. we have months gentlemen.

if you want to beat SDSU getting cole payton fargo fat is the only way to do it.

[Bisonator98]

since the uh... incident with the bisonville collective i'm legally unable to raise funds for such purposes.

however, there's nothing stopping me from buying cole payton uber eats vouchers

whats the fastest way to get fat in fargo? it took most of us years to pull it off. we have months gentlemen.

if you want to beat SDSU getting cole payton fargo fat is the only way to do it.

According to egriz it's the gravy. Maybe get some IV's into Cole with gravy!:D

[Hammerhead]

That QB was #1 and #2 on Kentucky's all-time lists in several passing categories when he passed away in 2019.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2019/07/03/jared-lorenzen-former-kentucky-football-quarterback-dies/1642781001/



bros i was thinking today you guys remember that 300 pound qb that kentucky had in like the 90's

why don't we do that

just find a fat guy and make him qb and then when we call qb power 8 times a quarter we'll at least have a bowling ball rolling strikes

[tony]

According to egriz it's the gravy. Maybe get some IV's into Cole with gravy!:D

Geez, the crazy ass Grizzly fan from "waste of protoplasm" fame would be screeching about NDSU's use of performance-enhancing gravy if he read that, but I believe he has taken his complaints to a higher authority.

Note: I wonder if there is a relationship between bitterness/meanness of a person's posts on social media and their life expectancy? Maybe the mind-body relationship means that there is a connection between approaching death and being a miserable bastard.

[acf2]

Maybe it has been mentioned and I missed it but one of the kickers is leaving: https://twitter.com/williamcard77

[Kevin]

Maybe it has been mentioned and I missed it but one of the kickers is leaving: https://twitter.com/williamcard77

That guy scared me every time he lined up.

[heffray]

since the uh... incident with the bisonville collective i'm legally unable to raise funds for such purposes.

however, there's nothing stopping me from buying cole payton uber eats vouchers

whats the fastest way to get fat in fargo? it took most of us years to pull it off. we have months gentlemen.

if you want to beat SDSU getting cole payton fargo fat is the only way to do it.

Bro that’s easy: Kroll’s Diner. Knoephla soup all day.

[mtoutfitter]

Maybe I missed it here but I just noticed Trevor Brown isn't on the roster anymore. Had him figured to be tough in the middle.

[Alsen]

Predictions:
I predict Sam Jung will start at FS and be a 2nd team All-American.

I predict Luke Kokat will start to see snaps around mid-season and become a difference maker for the Bison in the playoffs. He looks to be the best pure athlete among the TE's.

I predict the OL will struggle mightily early on, though it may not appear so because the rest of the offensive talent is dominant.

I predict the coaching staff will eff up the decisions at the WR position, and it will take them all year to get it right.

I predict the LB position will be a real bright spot on this defense and shock the fan base.

[BISONBRI53]

I predict we run the same offense and WR won't have anything fucked up. QB POWER BAAAYBAAAY

[HerdBot]

Here is my defense next week. All these guys need to get reps in a meaningful game. They will fail at times but I bet they could force more than 1 punt, which a 3 game trend

DE - Kelton McCaslin 6-5, 235
DE - Toby Anene 6-3, 253
DT Kody Huisman 6-4, 284
DT - Logan Larson 6-3, 272

Give Marcus Gulley a shot at middle linebacker on passing downs, like we used to to with Carlton Littlejohn. Give Jaiden Pickett some looks at Will.

Secondary give Darius Givance some reps at safety. At corner lets give Jaquise Alexander or Najee Nelson some reps

Sorry but our upper classman suck. You dont get to start, just because youve been here for 3 or 4 years. You had your chance but shit the bed. Time to retire

[TAILG8R]

Here is my defense next week. All these guys need to get reps in a meaningful game. They will fail at times but I bet they could force more than 1 punt, which a 3 game trend

DE - Kelton McCaslin 6-5, 235
DE - Toby Anene 6-3, 253
DT Kody Huisman 6-4, 284
DT - Logan Larson 6-3, 272

Give Marcus Gulley a shot at middle linebacker on passing downs, like we used to to with Carlton Littlejohn. Give Jaiden Pickett some looks at Will.

Secondary give Darius Givance some reps at safety. At corner lets give Jaquise Alexander or Najee Nelson some reps

Sorry but our upper classman suck. You dont get to start, just because youve been here for 3 or 4 years. You had your chance but shit the bed. Time to retire

The problem with this and all the other “this is what we should do” posts is that it would require a coach that can think and is willing to admit something needs to change.

Neither of those two things are going to happen here.

I’ll also say that the team gets one more loss before you should blow up the depth chart. I’m not standing behind anyone but I just feel like you can look at the possibility of going 9-3 and winning a playoff game. I don’t think that’s great but the level headed part of me says I would give it one more loss and then play for next years depth.


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[El_Chapo]

if Entz and Goeser had ANY PRIDE

they show up monday and say "ALL DEFENSIVE STARTING POSITIONS ARE OPEN"

and throw the ball out and start practice.

[bruinbison]

Here is my defense next week. All these guys need to get reps in a meaningful game. They will fail at times but I bet they could force more than 1 punt, which a 3 game trend

DE - Kelton McCaslin 6-5, 235
DE - Toby Anene 6-3, 253
DT Kody Huisman 6-4, 284
DT - Logan Larson 6-3, 272

Give Marcus Gulley a shot at middle linebacker on passing downs, like we used to to with Carlton Littlejohn. Give Jaiden Pickett some looks at Will.

Secondary give Darius Givance some reps at safety. At corner lets give Jaquise Alexander or Najee Nelson some reps

Sorry but our upper classman suck. You dont get to start, just because youve been here for 3 or 4 years. You had your chance but shit the bed. Time to retire

looks like a good list. Will the coaches do it?

I’m surprised, as you are, that one or more of the RFr DL haven’t already been in the rotation…
The coaches must have known about this DL need as they did offer at least 3 Transfer Portal DL, none of which they got……so again I am surprised none of the 3 RFr DL have been in the regular rotation.

Something I hoped the coaches learned with the Dom Jones situation is you can’t keep the young players waiting and waiting - when they can see, right or wrong, the starters struggling and think that they are deserving of more minutes. This Covid 6 year roster stuff is tricky to deal with…

[HerdBot]

My main concern for what's returning... doesn't include incoming freshman. We are small in our front 7.

Averages

DE - 6'2" 233
DT - 6'2" 272
LB - 6'1" 216


On the benchwarmers, they talked about how Quinn moved to offence strategically because they wanted to be smaller on the DL. This was a tragic mistake in my opinion.

Looks like you nailed it

[Jay]

Looks like you nailed it

I think we have many players on defense playing out of position. DT that should be DE. DE that are LB. We take two transfer FBS linebackers and convert them to DE. It’s a gd mess.

[ndsubison1]

DE are defintely smaller. What happened to Roques? Should he be playing more.

[Jim Puetz]

I'm going to make a bold prediction. I think McCaslin can create a spark at DE. He is big, strong, and nasty. Anene may be the same type of guy.

[bruinbison]

Both Kolpack & 247 have articles covering the press conference.
5 true freshman were mentioned by Coach Entz as being in line to play.



Najee Nelson and Jailen Duffy, safety Jaylin Crumby and offensive lineman Jack Liwienski and Griffin Empey.

A couple things surprise me about this:

- If you were going to play a true freshman, why haven’t they played already?
This is the middle of the season…kinda late to pull a redshirt.
The coaches could certainly work with the 4 game rule, but that seems like the wrong time of the year also..

- Where was the mentioning of the RFr & the Sophomores getting more playing time? Especially on the DL.
Pulling redshirts now seems a bit desperate…

Perhaps this is Coach Entz signaling the obvious - by the freshman comment - that playing time is available for everyone…

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/bison-head-coach-matt-entz-need-to-find-answers-on-saturdays

https://247sports.com/college/north-dakota-state/contentgallery/8-things-matt-entz-said-at-his-weekly-press-conference-218277110/#2272753

RB Owen Johnson is out for the season with injury (knee).
Cole Wisniewski and LB Julian Wlodarczyk are day to day after being in concussion protocol.

[KSBisonFan]

Both Kolpack & 247 have articles covering the press conference.
5 true freshman were mentioned by Coach Entz as being in line to play.


A couple things surprise me about this:

- If you were going to play a true freshman, why haven’t they played already?
This is the middle of the season…kinda late to pull a redshirt.
The coaches could certainly work with the 4 game rule, but that seems like the wrong time of the year also..

- Where was the mentioning of the RFr & the Sophomores getting more playing time? Especially on the DL.
Pulling redshirts now seems a bit desperate…

Perhaps this is Coach Entz signaling the obvious - by the freshman comment - that playing time is available for everyone…

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/bison-head-coach-matt-entz-need-to-find-answers-on-saturdays

https://247sports.com/college/north-dakota-state/contentgallery/8-things-matt-entz-said-at-his-weekly-press-conference-218277110/#2272753

RB Owen Johnson is out for the season with injury (knee).
Cole Wisniewski and LB Julian Wlodarczyk are day to day after being in concussion protocol.

I'm glad to hear coach is considering getting some young guys in the rotation. It's needed at every position on defense.

The head scratcher is the O-line. This was supposed to be the strength of our team. A group of veterans who've played together for some time. First, we swap positions the last couple weeks when it wasn't driven by injuries. Now we're talking about playing freshmen on the O-line?

At some point, you have to ask yourself, 'Did our O-line guys regress or is there an issue with scheme and playing to their strengths?' I think they are being asked to play a style that doesn't suit their skills.

[tolnabison]

Both Kolpack & 247 have articles covering the press conference.
5 true freshman were mentioned by Coach Entz as being in line to play.


A couple things surprise me about this:

- If you were going to play a true freshman, why haven’t they played already?
This is the middle of the season…kinda late to pull a redshirt.
The coaches could certainly work with the 4 game rule, but that seems like the wrong time of the year also..

- Where was the mentioning of the RFr & the Sophomores getting more playing time? Especially on the DL.
Pulling redshirts now seems a bit desperate…

Perhaps this is Coach Entz signaling the obvious - by the freshman comment - that playing time is available for everyone…

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/bison-head-coach-matt-entz-need-to-find-answers-on-saturdays

https://247sports.com/college/north-dakota-state/contentgallery/8-things-matt-entz-said-at-his-weekly-press-conference-218277110/#2272753

RB Owen Johnson is out for the season with injury (knee).
Cole Wisniewski and LB Julian Wlodarczyk are day to day after being in concussion protocol.

We have 5 games left. You play the kids they can help us in the in the playoffs 4 out of 5 games. Then play them in the playoffs. The playoffs don't count towards their redshirt.

https://x.com/samherderfcs/status/1714090957073969363?s=46&t=f6aIrUUes_A8kKzcXrRkKg

[bruinbison]

We have 5 games left. You play the kids they can help us in the in the playoffs 4 out of 5 games. Then play them in the playoffs. The playoffs don't count towards their redshirt.

https://x.com/samherderfcs/status/1714090957073969363?s=46&t=f6aIrUUes_A8kKzcXrRkKg

Ah, did not know that about the playoffs. Thanks!
That explains much, so nevamind some of my grumbling…:)

[bruinbison]

Cullen Holt played Dom Izzo’s feature on tonight’s sports:
3 young players who are candidates to play more starting this weekend - RFr LB Nate Staehling & RFr DT Logan Larson & RFr Kelton McCaslin

[Jim Puetz]

Cullen Holt played Dom Izzo’s feature on tonight’s sports:
3 young players who are candidates to play more starting this weekend - RFr LB Nate Staehling & RFr DT Logan Larson & RFr Kelton McCaslin

I don't want to sound like El Chirpo beating my hairless size 37 inch chest and 13 inch neck, but those are the three young guys I've been focused on all season. I really think McCaslin is one of those guys who will create a spark that will get contagious. I hope I'm right, and if I am, with some help from Staehling and Larson and better secondary play, we are a two loss program just like the 1985 team. Go Bison!! If your sister has outgrown her Bison apparel, send it all to El Chirpo; it may be too big for him, but .... I have nothing, I guess it's just too ___ing big for him.

[blackdiamond2]

I am thinking the sophomore class and redshirt freshman classes kinda stink. There does not seem to be many impact players in those classes and barely any of them made the two deep roster....

Entz only mentioned true freshman basically.

Losing 3 guys to nfl at online has taken a toll. You just don't replace those type of guys very often. We now might be playing true freshmen at guard or center...not receipe for success against good teams.

[BigLakeBison]

I am thinking the sophomore class and redshirt freshman classes kinda stink. There does not seem to be many impact players in those classes and barely any of them made the two deep roster....

Entz only mentioned true freshman basically.

Losing 3 guys to nfl at online has taken a toll. You just don't replace those type of guys very often. We now might be playing true freshmen at guard or center...not receipe for success against good teams.

Losing (3) guys to the NFL shouldn't result in a drop-off as severe as this if recruiting, player development and coaching are all consistently high level. It seems like all three of those things have dropped off from what we have been used to which results in our current situation.

[El_Chapo]

Losing (3) guys to the NFL shouldn't result in a drop-off as severe as this if recruiting, player development and coaching are all consistently high level. It seems like all three of those things have dropped off from what we have been used to which results in our current situation.

3 NFL guys and 5 Portals to FBS teams is a bigger issue (Eubanks, Sigle, Gonella, Kobe, Pierce) that's 5 impact starters for NDSu right there.

and instead of doing something and grabbing at least 2-3 FBS drop downs in Portal, ENTZ just gave 3-4 walk-ons full rides. what a waste.

[Mr. Burgundy]

I don't want to fact check El Chapo, but that above post is not factual.

But, I will agree, we have alot of young talent. Play them. What a great chance with two bad teams coming in. Play the young kids immediately. Let them make mistakes. THe older kids have had their chance. THey have been here for 3-6 years. We need to give the younger kids their chance, since they only have 4 years to play.

[SDbison]

I don't want to fact check El Chapo, but that above post is not factual.

But, I will agree, we have alot of young talent. Play them. What a great chance with two bad teams coming in. Play the young kids immediately. Let them make mistakes. THe older kids have had their chance. THey have been here for 3-6 years. We need to give the younger kids their chance, since they only have 4 years to play.And don't forget to mention Burgundy, those young players will be even more motivated to play if fans donate money to the collective. Because it's a fact players get better when they are paid. "extreme purple"

[KSBisonFan]

3 NFL guys and 5 Portals to FBS teams is a bigger issue (Eubanks, Sigle, Gonella, Kobe, Pierce) that's 5 impact starters for NDSu right there.

and instead of doing something and grabbing at least 2-3 FBS drop downs in Portal, ENTZ just gave 3-4 walk-ons full rides. what a waste.

We have attrition every year and the portal issue is just an excuse. Yes, we lost some talent and depth guys. Gonella, Kobe and Bussey weren't going to have meaningful carries in Roehl's offense anyway. Having Eubanks, Dom and Sigle back there would have been nice, but did any of them bulk up so we could have played them on the D-line or at LB? That would have been a nice secondary, but we can't stop the run. Losing guys to the portal isn't why this team has underperformed in all phases.

[El_Chapo]

I don't want to fact check El Chapo, but that above post is not factual.

But, I will agree, we have alot of young talent. Play them. What a great chance with two bad teams coming in. Play the young kids immediately. Let them make mistakes. THe older kids have had their chance. THey have been here for 3-6 years. We need to give the younger kids their chance, since they only have 4 years to play.

HUH? all of these 5 START FOR NDSU THIS YEAR. how is that not factual?

Eubanks, Sigle, Gonella, Kobe, Pierce


but we both agree, we need to play our younger kids, especially these 2 games

[totoinfl]

HUH? all of these 5 START FOR NDSU THIS YEAR. how is that not factual?

Eubanks, Sigle, Gonella, Kobe, Pierce


but we both agree, we need to play our younger kids, especially these 2 games

I will give you Eubanks, Pierce and Sigle...but we don't have a starting RB...that might be part of the issue. It is committee, committee, committee, which is great if someone is injured, but no bell cow we can hand the ball off to and expect 4 yards...although we also don't go under center to snap the ball much if at all.

[Jim Puetz]

I will give you Eubanks, Pierce and Sigle...but we don't have a starting RB...that might be part of the issue. It is committee, committee, committee, which is great if someone is injured, but no bell cow we can hand the ball off to and expect 4 yards...although we also don't go under center to snap the ball much if at all.

Sigle is the only one we are missing this year.

[SiouxHockeyBisonFo]

Peirce did get pressure, which there has been none of and eubanks would definitely be an upgrade. But not sure the current talent is the issue.
This team just seems to be missing something, not sure what it is, but has the feel of the 2008 team. Should be way better than they are.

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[SiouxHockeyBisonFo]

Peirce did get pressure, which there has been none of and eubanks would definitely be an upgrade. But not sure the current talent is the issue.
This team just seems to be missing something, not sure what it is, but has the feel of the 2008 team. Should be way better than they are.

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[HerdBot]

HUH? all of these 5 START FOR NDSU THIS YEAR. how is that not factual?

Eubanks, Sigle, Gonella, Kobe, Pierce


but we both agree, we need to play our younger kids, especially these 2 games

Dom Jones probably starts too. Although Gonella wasnt seeing the field and Kobe could get 1 more year by transferring .

Either way. Huge losses

Bit even with Pierce, our D-line sucks

[bruinbison]

3 NFL guys and 5 Portals to FBS teams is a bigger issue (Eubanks, Sigle, Gonella, Kobe, Pierce) that's 5 impact starters for NDSu right there.

and instead of doing something and grabbing at least 2-3 FBS drop downs in Portal, ENTZ just gave 3-4 walk-ons full rides. what a waste.




HUH? all of these 5 START FOR NDSU THIS YEAR. how is that not factual?

Eubanks, Sigle, Gonella, Kobe, Pierce


but we both agree, we need to play our younger kids, especially these 2 games


So these 5 as starters is not factual…

And of course the bolded portion is not factual…

3 star CB Marcus Shepherd from Bowling Green
3 star DE Hunter Zenzen from Iowa State
OL Isaac Zatechka from Missouri

At least 5 more Transfer Portal offers I can think of where the Bison did not get a commitment

Can you give a source for “3-4 walkons getting full rides”

[bruinbison]

As it stands now, Kolpack & Izzo mentioned 13 seniors will be honored pregame on Senior Day at this weekend’s Southern Illinois game.

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/bison-video-blog-frustration-on-the-field-as-ndsu-enters-must-win-territory

[Bisonator98]

As it stands now, Kolpack & Izzo mentioned 13 seniors will be honored pregame on Senior Day at this weekend’s Southern Illinois game.

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/bison-video-blog-frustration-on-the-field-as-ndsu-enters-must-win-territory

So by my count there are 35 seniors on the roster, not sure how many are 5 or 6 year guys but that means they are expecting 22 to return next year? I think they need to rethink this IMO. Just because some of these guys can have an extra year doesn't mean they should.

[KSBisonFan]

So by my count there are 35 seniors on the roster, not sure how many are 5 or 6 year guys but that means they are expecting 22 to return next year? I think they need to rethink this IMO. Just because some of these guys can have an extra year doesn't mean they should.

Agreed. I posted in another thread about an AD who told me they regret allowing some of the Covid seniors to return because it messed up recruiting, development and retention of underclassmen.

[G_Funky]

So by my count there are 35 seniors on the roster, not sure how many are 5 or 6 year guys but that means they are expecting 22 to return next year? I think they need to rethink this IMO. Just because some of these guys can have an extra year doesn't mean they should.

If we have an early exit from the playoffs or miss the playoffs entirely, with a roster that features very few young kids in the 2 deep, there's no way they can justify keeping some of these guys around.

[roadwarrior]

The seniors that cannot return for another year are:

Zach Mathis
TaMerik Williams
Jayden Price
Jake Kava
Dylan Taves
Jake Kubas
Jalen Sundell
Jacob Streit

[El_Chapo]

The seniors that cannot return for another year are:

Zach Mathis
TaMerik Williams
Jayden Price
Jake Kava
Dylan Taves
Jake Kubas
Jalen Sundell
Jacob Streit

and who are the other 5 ? (they said 13 i thought)

[TAILG8R]

and who are the other 5 ? (they said 13 i thought)

Entz also mentioned, there will likely be more as months go on, but these are the only ones that had already made the decision to move on.


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[tolnabison]

and who are the other 5 ? (they said 13 i thought)

Jake Lippe
Julian Wlodarczyk
Giancarlo Volpentesta

These 3 were mentioned yesterday in the press conference.

[roadwarrior]

Jake Lippe
Julian Wlodarczyk
Giancarlo Volpentesta

These 3 were mentioned yesterday in the press conference.

Also:

Cade Powers
Jenaro Ocama

The names were listed in this weeks NDSU game notes.

[SDbison]

22 Seniors that will possibly come back next year are the following. Who should definitely stay? Who should go?

Cam Miller QB
TK Marshall RB
Hunter Brozio FB
Logan Hofstedt FB
Braylon Henderson WR
RaJa Nelson WR
Joe Stoffel TE
Jake Rock OT
Mason Miller OT
Grey Zabel OG
Hunter Poncius OT
Brandon Westburg C

Griffin Crosa K

Eli Mostaert DT
Will Mostaert DT
Javier Derritt DT
Dylan Hendricks DE
Luke Weerts LB
Nick Kubitz LB
Marcus Sheppard CB
Sam Jung S
Cole Wisniewski S

[G_Funky]

22 Seniors that will possibly come back next year are the following. Who should definitely stay? Who should go?

Cam Miller QB
TK Marshall RB
Hunter Brozio FB
Logan Hofstedt FB
Braylon Henderson WR
RaJa Nelson WR
Joe Stoffel TE
Jake Rock OT
Mason Miller OT
Grey Zabel OG
Hunter Poncius OT
Brandon Westburg C

Griffin Crosa K

Eli Mostaert DT
Will Mostaert DT
Javier Derritt DT
Dylan Hendricks DE
Luke Weerts LB
Marcus Sheppard CB
Sam Jung S
Cole Wisniewski S

Bold should stay.

[mtoutfitter]

22 Seniors that will possibly come back next year are the following. Who should definitely stay? Who should go?

Cam Miller QB
TK Marshall RB
Hunter Brozio FB
Logan Hofstedt FB
Braylon Henderson WR
RaJa Nelson WR
Joe Stoffel TE
Jake Rock OT
Mason Miller OT
Grey Zabel OG
Hunter Poncius OT
Brandon Westburg C

Griffin Crosa K

Eli Mostaert DT
Will Mostaert DT
Javier Derritt DT
Dylan Hendricks DE
Luke Weerts LB
Marcus Sheppard CB
Sam Jung S
Cole Wisniewski S

Nick Kubitz

[SDbison]

Thanks mtoutfitter, I missed one.

[mtoutfitter]

Thanks mtoutfitter, I missed one.

Can I get a Jag Bomb for that? :)

[KSBisonFan]

[/B]

Bold should stay.

I agree with all except Braylon and Raja. We have a deep WR room with some highly sought after kids that need to play before they hit the portal.

[mtoutfitter]

I agree with all except Braylon and Raja. We have a deep WR room with some highly sought after kids that need to play before they hit the portal.

I would like to see Jake Rock stay another year. Played well early in his career when given the chance.

[G_Funky]

I agree with all except Braylon and Raja. We have a deep WR room with some highly sought after kids that need to play before they hit the portal.

Those two were my fence guys...the benefit of keeping them around is that we lose JP as a punt returner (Braylon has filled that role well in the past) and Raja can return kicks.

And with a deep wide receiver room, if one of those old guys gets hurt its not going to dramatically impact what we're doing.

[Jim Puetz]

22 Seniors that will possibly come back next year are the following. Who should definitely stay? Who should go?

Cam Miller QB
TK Marshall RB
Hunter Brozio FB
Logan Hofstedt FB
Braylon Henderson WR
RaJa Nelson WR
Joe Stoffel TE
Jake Rock OT
Mason Miller OT
Grey Zabel OG
Hunter Poncius OT
Brandon Westburg C

Griffin Crosa K

Eli Mostaert DT
Will Mostaert DT
Javier Derritt DT
Dylan Hendricks DE
Luke Weerts LB
Nick Kubitz LB
Marcus Sheppard CB
Sam Jung S
Cole Wisniewski S

I would give the offensive lineman another year and Hendricks given his injury history that prevented him from playing the first 3 years here. I like the fullbacks, but at some point you got to give other guys a chance. No one on defense (other than Hendricks) should be given another year.

[Twincitybizon]

I would give the offensive lineman another year and Hendricks given his injury history that prevented him from playing the first 3 years here. I like the fullbacks, but at some point you got to give other guys a chance. No one on defense (other than Hendricks) should be given another year.

What? Wisniewski is a dude. Best defensive player we have without question.

[SDbison]

Can I get a Jag Bomb for that? :)Yes! Report to the Horny Bison tailgate on Saturday.

[Jim Puetz]

What? Wisniewski is a dude. Best defensive player we have without question.

I'm fine with Wisniewski coming back, but I don't think he has been much of an impact player like he was at the beginning of the year. I think they should move him back to WIL, move King back to safety and let King, Givance, Jones, Satter, and Jung fight it out for playing time at the two safety positions. I get that people like Wisniewski, but compare him to our previous safeties and he's not anywhere near the top.

[td577]

[/B]

Bold should stay.Miller should go. I like his play, but the QB position needs to get back on schedule. CP needs to start for 2 years, and the next guy then gets going. If Miller comes back, CP transfers, and it messes up the rotation to the next guy.

Every position needs to be evaluated and if the next guy up is better or has a higher ceiling than a returning covid senior, the senior needs to go. Done with guys transferring just to get playing time when they were on schedule to get it here. That last season is messing up recruiting big time when the next guy transfers, leaving a gap.

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[TAILG8R]

Miller should go. I like his play, but the QB position needs to get back on schedule. CP needs to start for 2 years, and the next guy then gets going. If Miller comes back, CP transfers, and it messes up the rotation to the next guy.

Every position needs to be evaluated and if the next guy up is better or has a higher ceiling than a returning covid senior, the senior needs to go. Done with guys transferring just to get playing time when they were on schedule to get it here. That last season is messing up recruiting big time when the next guy transfers, leaving a gap.

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During spring ball I want to hear(even if it's from Dom or Kolpack) that it's been said to the team that every position is an open battle. You want to light a fire under the team and get rid of the cloud caused by giving upper class-men priority? Make it known that the best payer WILL play at every position.

[td577]

During spring ball I want to hear(even if it's from Dom or Kolpack) that it's been said to the team that every position is an open battle. You want to light a fire under the team and get rid of the cloud caused by giving upper class-men priority? Make it known that the best payer WILL play at every position.That should be the minimum.

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That should be the minimum.

Oh yeah and a new Oline coach. At minimum.

I truly don’t think Entz has the balls to fire someone.


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