David Braun D2....

[El_Chapo]

David Braun is a D2 Coordinator I said it at the time he was hired and you all made fun of me. But Seriously. I think we've seen enough.

NDSU IS A DEFENSIVE TEAM!!! ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!! DEFENSE WINS TITLES.

Time to Change D Coordinators. I Know him and Entz drank beer at Winona together, but GO get us a BISON DEFENSIVE COACH




David Braun Year-By-Year Coaching History
Year School Position
2008 Winona State Graduate Assistant
2009 Winona State Graduate Assistant
2010 Culver-Stockton Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers
2011 Winona State Co-Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers
2012 Winona State Co-Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers
2013 Winona State Co-Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers
2014 Winona State Co-Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers
2015 UC Davis Defensive Line
2016 UC Davis Defensive Line
2017 Northern Iowa Run Game Coordinator/Defensive Line
2018 Northern Iowa Special Teams Coordinator/Outside Linebackers
2019 North Dakota State Defensive Coordinator/Safeties
2020-21 North Dakota State Defensive Coordinator/Safeties
2021 North Dakota State Defensive Coordinator/Safeties

[Bisonator98]

Entz runs the defense if you think Braun controls the defense just because he's coordinator you're fooling yourself. That said all the defensive coaches need to do better. Our dline and Lber corp was pretty poor this season and have been trending down the past couple seasons. Either need to recruit better players, develop and coach better or all of the above.

[EndZoneQB]

I think this falls on Entz, but there should be a scapegoat a la Breske. How much was Entz involved under Klieman? This feels like Klieman was a bigger piece of the puzzle than maybe we realized.

[El_Chapo]

I think this falls on Entz, but there should be a scapegoat a la Breske. How much was Entz involved under Klieman? This feels like Klieman was a bigger piece of the puzzle than maybe we realized.

Yes. I WOULD SAY SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

[HillsboroBison]

https://twitter.com/espnrittenberg/status/1612500463013732352?s=46&t=OjHIUaMLaf_qA59gc6cAeg

We will be looking for a new DC!


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[EndZoneQB]

https://twitter.com/espnrittenberg/status/1612500463013732352?s=46&t=OjHIUaMLaf_qA59gc6cAeg

We will be looking for a new DC!


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Holy, fucking bailed out AGAIN. Thank god. Iowa took Polasek off of our hands. Entz doesn't have to make a tough decision. Will he do the smart thing with TR?

[NDSU_grad]

https://twitter.com/espnrittenberg/status/1612500463013732352?s=46&t=OjHIUaMLaf_qA59gc6cAeg

We will be looking for a new DC!


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Damn. That came out of nowhere. I bet Grant Olson gets the job.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Interesting

So lakes, your D2 DC is taking a DC job in the B1G

Who are the top candidates to replace him at NDSU?

I'm a little worried about this one

[heffray]

Damn. That came out of nowhere. I bet Grant Olson gets the job.

Do we want that though? Wouldn’t that be the same as Roehl in the OC role?

I love Grant and Amy obvs but it feels like we need some outside help at this point…

[EndZoneQB]

Do we want that though? Wouldn’t that be the same as Roehl in the OC role?

I love Grant and Amy obvs but it feels like we need some outside help at this point…

Any position coaches under Klieman we can steal? We need more of that energy in the building and less nepotism. Grant has at least been elsewhere though, which is more than TR can say.

[BISONBRI53]

Any position coaches under Klieman we can steal? We need more of that energy in the building and less nepotism. Grant has at least been elsewhere though, which is more than TR can say.

No No... He was at Concordia!!! Had a guy I worked with who played there his freshman year and TR was his position coach... Literally ran Madden plays on cards for them... Don't think its changed much!

[EndZoneQB]

No No... He was at Concordia!!! Had a guy I worked with who played there his freshman year and TR was his position coach... Literally ran Madden plays on cards for them... Don't think its changed much!

Are you actually serious about the Madden thing? And at Moorhead HS lollll. God, seriously? That might be one of the worst resumes I've seen for a DI OC, especially on a defense oriented team where the HC isn't the playcaller.

[Bison03]

Well, looks like Braun to the Big 10, Northwestern!
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35412825/sources-northwestern-hire-north-dakota-state-david-braun-dc

[garbageman]

Interesting

So lakes, your D2 DC is taking a DC job in the B1G

Who are the top candidates to replace him at NDSU?

I'm a little worried about this one

Hopefully Lakes or someone off this forum that has all the answers. If they do that we won’t give up a single point

[Bisonator98]

A bit surprised by this would have thought Entz would have gotten the call instead. What's the connection to Northwestern here? Does he have ties there??

[ndsubison1]

Interesting

So lakes, your D2 DC is taking a DC job in the B1G

Who are the top candidates to replace him at NDSU?

I'm a little worried about this one

Is anyone worth a promotion on our team? Niekamp from Illinois State? Any FBS Assistants that cover our recruiting area?

[El_Chapo]

Hahahahaha!!!!! I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

guess we know what he's been doing the last week or 2 instead of game planning for SDSU

[EndZoneQB]

Is anyone worth a promotion on our team? Niekamp from Illinois State? Any FBS Assistants that cover our recruiting area?

https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/brian-anderson/1796

https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/conor-riley/1800

[The_Sicatoka]

So NDSU's looking for a new DC?

I have a line on the former DC at SIU ... you really need him, actually, you can have him. :howdy:

[HerdBot]

Well, looks like Braun to the Big 10, Northwestern!
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35412825/sources-northwestern-hire-north-dakota-state-david-braun-dc

Do they need an OC? We can help them out

[The_Sicatoka]

In all seriousness, why not look at Aaron Bohl (https://gowyo.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/aaron-bohl/2708).

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/247Sports-30Under30-2022-list-top-young-coaches-in-college-football-190685546/#190685546_1


Aaron Bohl, Wyoming, Linebackers (Age: 28)

Bohl has been at Wyoming since 2017 and was elevated to the full-time linebackers job in 2020 after serving in an interim capacity during the 2019 season. Since he got on the field in 2019, Bohl has worked with a trio of NFL Draft picks (Logan Wilson, Cash Maluia and Chad Muma). Bohl has worked with a first-team all-conference linebacker every year of his on-field Wyoming coaching career. The Cowboys have also had a top 50 defense in terms of yards allowed per play each of the last three seasons. Bohl is the son of Wyoming head coach Craig Bohl.

That might be a tad too scary for Entz, to see that long shadow.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Do they need an OC? We can help them out

We could get a group of posters here to go help him pack too

[EndZoneQB]

In all seriousness, why not look at Aaron Bohl (https://gowyo.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/aaron-bohl/2708).

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/247Sports-30Under30-2022-list-top-young-coaches-in-college-football-190685546/#190685546_1



That might be a tad too scary for Entz, to see that long shadow.

Not the worst idea I've ever heard...but does he have enough experience to run a defense? I would have liked to see another stop or two on that resume than just dad.

[tony]

Wow, nice promotion!

Congratulations to Coach Braun.

[23Bison]

Well, looks like Braun to the Big 10, Northwestern!
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35412825/sources-northwestern-hire-north-dakota-state-david-braun-dc

Who’s taking him to the train station (clears throat) I mean airport?

[23Bison]

I’d like someone that is not in house, and preferably not D2. Someone with a proven track record but willing to do things the way we used to. Someone in the fringe footprint to help expand recruiting a little.

[Bisonator98]

In all seriousness, why not look at Aaron Bohl (https://gowyo.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/aaron-bohl/2708).

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/247Sports-30Under30-2022-list-top-young-coaches-in-college-football-190685546/#190685546_1



That might be a tad too scary for Entz, to see that long shadow.

Not near enough experience to be DC here imo.

[Snowgoose]

It is a nice promotion. Think of getting promoted when your company has had the worst year in your division that u r in charge of in over a decade.

[Bisonator98]

Maybe poach somebody off SDSU's staff?:hide:

[JMB]

Bisonville....

"Our Defensive Coordinator sucks, we need to fire him!"

Checks Twitter...

"SEE WE NEED TO BE FBS BECAUSE WE ARE LOSING OUR COACHES TO FBS TEAMS!"

[23Bison]

Meh, they can have him.

[PlrbrBison]

Maybe poach somebody off SDSU's staff?:hide:

https://gojacks.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/christian-smith/2330

[heffray]

Bisonville....

"Our Defensive Coordinator sucks, we need to fire him!"

Checks Twitter...

"SEE WE NEED TO BE FBS BECAUSE WE ARE LOSING OUR COACHES TO FBS TEAMS!"

The irony of this thread title is really causing me to chuckle…

[Bisonator98]

https://gojacks.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/christian-smith/2330

That's who I was thinking.

[daddy daycare]

Obviously a pre game distraction :biggrin:

[bisontown]

The irony of this thread title is really causing me to chuckle…

So funny! Our DC sucks, fire him! Oh, I guess a big ten team will take him, maybe he wasn't the problem. Hahaha.

[PlrbrBison]

So funny! Our DC sucks, fire him! Oh, I guess a big ten team will take him, maybe he wasn't the problem. Hahaha.

Not moving into much of a winning environment 1-11 this year. Better pay must make up for it.

[tony]

Bisonville....

"Our Defensive Coordinator sucks, we need to fire him!"

Checks Twitter...

"SEE WE NEED TO BE FBS BECAUSE WE ARE LOSING OUR COACHES TO FBS TEAMS!"

For a lot of fans, all outcomes lead to one and sometimes two conclusions: "The OC should be fired" or "NDSU has to go FBS by wishing really hard."

Example in plain English.

Q1. Did NDSU win?

If not, the OC should be fired, otherwise continue to Question 2.

Q2. Did the offense score 45 or more?

If yes, NDSU has to go FBS by wishing really hard. If no, the OC should be fired.

[KTF]

So what is the most likely scenario, promote from within (Grant Olson, etc.. ) or go out of program?

[tony]

So what is the most likely scenario, promote from within (Grant Olson, etc.. ) or go out of program?

I don't think we're going to hire a DC. With better play calling on offense, we can eliminate the need for a defense entirely.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

For a lot of fans, all outcomes lead to one and sometimes two conclusions: "The OC should be fired" or "NDSU has to go FBS by wishing really hard."

Example in plain English.

Q1. Did NDSU win?

If not, the OC should be fired, otherwise continue to Question 2.

Q2. Did the offense score 45 or more?

If yes, NDSU has to go FBS by wishing really hard. If no, the OC should be fired.

So it sounds like our AD must be wishing really hard as well then, based on what we heard last week

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

So what is the most likely scenario, promote from within (Grant Olson, etc.. ) or go out of program?

Guessing the first, based on both history and current finances

[tony]

So it sounds like our AD must be wishing really hard as well then, based on what we heard last week

Maybe I should have written, "The AD should be hired by not wishing hard enough to go FBS."

[The_Sicatoka]

I don't think we're going to hire a DC. With better play calling on offense, we can eliminate the need for a defense entirely.

Methinks with that approach you're trying to steal a page from UND. But we eliminated the D before trying to improve playcalling.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Maybe I should have written, "The AD should be hired by not wishing hard enough to go FBS."

I think you mean "fired for", no? That would be more consistent with what you're saying

I think ML has been a really good AD for NDSU, for the record, just so nobody gets confused
Especially under the circumstances
I know many on here disagree

[El_Chapo]

2 words

Willie Mack Garza ..

OR Bryan Shepherd ?

[The_Sicatoka]

Guessing the first, based on both history and current finances

What was Braun making?

[HerdBot]

2 words

Willie Mack Garza ..

OR Bryan Shepherd ?

Willie Mac has character issues and recruiting violations. Hard pass

[BigHorns]

Do they need an OC? We can help them out

Penn St's OC Ricky Rahne was recently "promoted" to HC for Old Dominion ... and all the Penn St fans cheered!
Sometimes the easy way to dump someone is to help them find their next stop.

Wouldn't shock me at all if we put in a good word for Braun.

[The_Sicatoka]

Sometimes the easy way to dump someone is to help them find their next stop.


Addition by subtraction?

[CAS4127]

Penn St's OC Ricky Rahne was recently "promoted" to HC for Old Dominion ... and all the Penn St fans cheered!
Sometimes the easy way to dump someone is to help them find their next stop.

Wouldn't shock me at all if we put in a good word for Braun.

Braun was FCS DCOY in 2021, believe it or not. I’m guessing the deal was inked before the Natty and he spent some time traveling and interviewing between Natty and Semi games.

[EndZoneQB]

So it sounds like our AD must be wishing really hard as well then, based on what we heard last week

What did I miss?


I think you mean "fired for", no? That would be more consistent with what you're saying

I think ML has been a really good AD for NDSU, for the record, just so nobody gets confused
Especially under the circumstances
I know many on here disagree

ML is a polished schmoozer & fundraiser, end of story. A feather-ruffling, boundary-pushing, visionary he is not. That's okay too, it just might be time for new blood.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

What did I miss?

When I read Vannini last week, I came away with the distinct impression that ML wants FBS
Contrast what ML said with what Montana's AD said on the same topic
Night and day

[tony]

I think you mean "fired for", no? That would be more consistent with what you're saying

I think ML has been a really good AD for NDSU, for the record, just so nobody gets confused
Especially under the circumstances
I know many on here disagree

Yeah, typo. Should've been "fired."

[BISONBRI53]

Yeah, I meant fired. No matter what, some fans won't be happy at this point. I mean, they might be happy until the first loss as an FBS school but they'll always have the "fire the OC" to fall back into and wallow around in.

So Tony you don't see what sooooo many people see?

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Emmanuel gave Olson a very strong backhanded endorsement on 1660 today, fwiw

Promote him and bring CLJ in as LB coach??

Just a guess and I have no idea really

[southcliffbison]

What was Braun making?

Braun was making 124 K a year. . Good luck trying to find out what he'll make at Northwestern. Northwestern is a private university and , therefore, doesn't fall under the Freedom of Information Act.

[Kevin]

Kiss of death as usual Lakes.

[Kevin]

Emmanuel gave Olson a very strong backhanded endorsement on 1660 today, fwiw

Promote him and bring CLJ in as LB coach??

Just a guess and I have no idea really

the lb group was by far the weakest link in a pretty weak chain. how do you reward that performance with a promotion?

this is bison football not the US government

[The_Sicatoka]

Braun was making 124 K a year. . Good luck trying to find out what he'll make at Northwestern. Northwestern is a private university and , therefore, doesn't fall under the Freedom of Information Act.

I'd guess opening bid is triple. (Former UND DC is now UDub's SC with DeBoer and is making $525k is my reference point.)

[BigHorns]

Braun was making 124 K a year. . Good luck trying to find out what he'll make at Northwestern. Northwestern is a private university and , therefore, doesn't fall under the Freedom of Information Act.

At a B10 school should be 500k easily, some of them can get into 1M+ for OC/DC.
The average of all the NW coaches is shown as ~824k each, as of 2018 dept of education info.

As of 2017 the NW head coach made ~ 5.1M per year, I'm sure its higher now.

[B.Schlossman Fan Club]

Any position coaches under Klieman we can steal? We need more of that energy in the building and less nepotism. Grant has at least been elsewhere though, which is more than TR can say.

Can we afford a P5 position coach for our coordinator? Don’t they make more?

[EndZoneQB]

Emmanuel gave Olson a very strong backhanded endorsement on 1660 today, fwiw

Promote him and bring CLJ in as LB coach??

Just a guess and I have no idea really

That seems like too much nepotism, we still need to bring in outside eyes once in awhile lol


Can we afford a P5 position coach for our coordinator? Don’t they make more?

I would assume we probably can't match in pay BUT, our coaches get opportunities. Braun just went to NW as DC, Klieman obviously took that path to KSU...and, quite frankly, if you are a DC at NDSU and do well, you are essentially in line to be the head guy. Lots of ways to spin it instead of money. Doesn't work for everyone, though.


When I read Vannini last week, I came away with the distinct impression that ML wants FBS
Contrast what ML said with what Montana's AD said on the same topic
Night and day

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

[BigHorns]

Can we afford a P5 position coach for our coordinator? Don’t they make more?

3 year old data, but looks like lowest paid position at K-State is 175k + 76k bonus pkg for the DE coach.
Most of them are 200-300k+

https://247sports.com/college/kansas-state/LongFormArticle/Kansas-State-football-assistant-coach-salaries-Scottie-Hazelton-Courtney-Messingham-Collin-Klein-Chris-Klieman-140247972/#140247972_1

[El_Chapo]

Kiss of death as usual Lakes.

You don't understand how this trolling works yet..

[The_Sicatoka]

At a B10 school should be 500k easily, some of them can get into 1M+ for OC/DC.
The average of all the NW coaches is shown as ~824k each, as of 2018 dept of education info.

As of 2017 the NW head coach made ~ 5.1M per year, I'm sure its higher now.

Good info.
I started at "triple" because I had no idea if NWern ran near the bottom of the B1G for salaries.

[The_Sicatoka]

Can we afford a P5 position coach for our coordinator? Don’t they make more?

DeBoer's staff at UDub.
https://247sports.com/college/washington/LongFormArticle/Washington-Huskies-Football-UW-Coaching-Salary-Database-Kalen-DeBoer-Ryan-Grubb-William-Inge-Lee-Marks-Scott-Huff-Julius-Brown-Inoke-Breckterfield-JaMarcus-Shephard-179980023/

I've been keeping track of DeBoer and Schmidt. They got me a cart-full of a favorite elixir this year (https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/31929-future-of-the-und-football-program/page/37/#comment-1280007).

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

That seems like too much nepotism

You mean like stiggy being at sdsu for 65 years and hiring former players as OC and DC? I'd say they figured it out there ...

A bad hire is a bad hire regardless of where they are from

Nepotism makes me nervous too, but sometimes it CAN be best deal. No idea about GO, just reporting what I heard today

[EndZoneQB]

You mean like stiggy being at sdsu for 65 years and hiring former players as OC and DC? I'd say they figured it out there ...

A bad hire is a bad hire regardless of where they are from

Nepotism makes me nervous too, but sometimes it CAN be best deal. No idea about GO, just reporting what I heard today

Touché salesman.

[El_Chapo]

You don't understand how this trolling works yet..

I knew Braun was gone, this is gonna be 1 of those "fire vigen save season" threads to look back on haha

[tony]

So Tony you don't see what sooooo many people see?

What exactly do you yourself see so clearly?

[blackdiamond2]

If we knew Braun was gone prior to game - who do we think led the planning for the SDSU beatdown? Leaned more on Entz...

[IowaBisonToo(2)]

That's who I was thinking.

I was watching him warm the guys up. Can he play for us?


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[IowaBisonToo(2)]

Can we afford a P5 position coach for our coordinator? Don’t they make more?

Iowa State’s LB/Asst coach makes $325+ last I checked (my son is friends with his kid so I got snoopy and checked online).


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[NDSUstudent]

That seems like too much nepotism, we still need to bring in outside eyes once in awhile lol


The best hire in NDSU football history was Klieman from UNI, need a hire like that now. The program needs fresh eyes.

That is really what Bohl was best at, he could bring in new assistants and retool if things got stale or went off the rails.

[reformedUNDfan]

What exactly do you yourself see so clearly?

An offense that had 9 future NFL guys and scored 10 on Illinois State

[steelbison]

An offense that had 9 future NFL guys and scored 10 on Illinois State

True story.


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[heffray]

An offense that had 9 future NFL guys and scored 10 on Illinois State

Such a really really good point.

[EndZoneQB]

The best hire in NDSU football history was Klieman from UNI, need a hire like that now. The program needs fresh eyes.

That is really what Bohl was best at, he could bring in new assistants and retool uf things got stale or went off the rails.

Bohl and Klieman were both that way. Klieman was such a baller hire, I still have no idea how they let him get out of Iowa, unless he needed the change of scenery here too.


An offense that had 9 future NFL guys and scored 10 on Illinois State

That's disgusting to see, but you're even overstating the scoring - that game was 9-3...3 FGs. That was the epitome of playing not to lose, they just had Mr. Robinson who was a beast, and we barely won.

[TAILG8R]

When someone becomes a leader for the first time it's common for them to surround themselves with people who are less experienced than themselves. Their own insecurities and a misunderstanding of what it means to be in charge(thinking it's their responsibility to teach everyone their role) causes them to hire younger up and coming people.

A good leader comes to realize after some time that their job is to surround themselves with people that are BETTER than them at those roles.

IMO this hire will tell me a lot about how much Entz has grown as a leader.

[AKBison]

Any position coaches under Klieman we can steal? We need more of that energy in the building and less nepotism. Grant has at least been elsewhere though, which is more than TR can say.

TR is going to make a great head coach one day. I would love to see him take an RB coach gig at a P5 to broaden his experience a bit.

[ndsubison1]

Im really liking Travis Niekamp- DCoordinator for Illinois State. Familiar with the Valley, he recruits Wisconsin. Has FBS experience. They were 11th in scoring defense this year. He was the coordinator when we beat them only 9-3 in the playoffs with Lance.

[CAS4127]

Im really liking Travis Niekamp- DCoordinator for Illinois State. Familiar with the Valley, he recruits Wisconsin. Has FBS experience. They were 11th in scoring defense this year. He was the coordinator when we beat them only 9-3 in the playoffs with Lance.

Good choice. And he coached 2022 FSC DPOY/Buchanan Award winner—a LB! And he runs a 3-4.

[tolnabison]

Im really liking Travis Niekamp- DCoordinator for Illinois State. Familiar with the Valley, he recruits Wisconsin. Has FBS experience. They were 11th in scoring defense this year. He was the coordinator when we beat them only 9-3 in the playoffs with Lance.


Good choice. And he coached 2022 FSC DPOY/Buchanan Award winner—a LB!

Don't they run a 3-4?

[CAS4127]

Don't they run a 3-4?

Yes—They Do.

[tolnabison]

Yes—They Do.

I think he would be a great candidate, just don't see us breaking from the norm of our base 4-3.

[CAS4127]

I think he would be a great candidate, just don't see us breaking from the norm of our base 4-3.

It allows for a much more attack-like D IMO and gets more speed on the field.

[tolnabison]

It allows for a much more attack-like D IMO and gets more speed on the field.

Never said it doesn't. Just saying I don't see us changing philosophies or schemes.

[ndsubison1]

I dont see us switching either and no need to. Not sure if thats something a coach could adapt to.

[Professor Chaos]

Different time with a different team and different players but I still have traumatic flashbacks to the Mike Breske led 2009 Bison defense that ran a 3-4.

It got so bad they needed DJ McNorton to play LB for a few games that year I think.

[ZHerd]

Random thoughts: As a Vikes fan I currently hate the 3-4 defense even though they are only an example of what a horrible 3-4 looks like. As far as Braun goes….I’m not so sure Northwestern isn’t doing us a favor. This defense hasn’t been the same since Klieman left and probably the 2 worst defenses of this dynasty run are under Brauns short stint. I don’t fully know who/what has changed or is to blame but we need somebody that can get us back the nasty, playmaking defenses that kickstarted this dynasty. Looking back the other day at the recruiting summary I see a huge lack of all American type talent in our classes under the Entz regime. Not sure if that’s strictly recruiting or coaching/player development. I am afraid though that we are trending down. The Rabbit team that just smoked us is good but not great either. They lost to a meh Iowa team and would have been wrecked by the 2016 Iowa team that a “down” NDSU team beat.

[Kevin]

It allows for a much more attack-like D IMO and gets more speed on the field.

haven't we had trouble with that scheme for that same reason?

think we could run like a 2-2-7 and really run wild bro?

[ndsubison1]

Random thoughts: As a Vikes fan I currently hate the 3-4 defense even though they are only an example of what a horrible 3-4 looks like. As far as Braun goes….I’m not so sure Northwestern isn’t doing us a favor. This defense hasn’t been the same since Klieman left and probably the 2 worst defenses of this dynasty run are under Brauns short stint. I don’t fully know who/what has changed or is to blame but we need somebody that can get us back the nasty, playmaking defenses that kickstarted this dynasty. Looking back the other day at the recruiting summary I see a huge lack of all American type talent in our classes under the Entz regime. Not sure if that’s strictly recruiting or coaching/player development. I am afraid though that we are trending down. The Rabbit team that just smoked us is good but not great either. They lost to a meh Iowa team and would have been wrecked by the 2016 Iowa team that a “down” NDSU team beat.

We had the top scoring defense last year in FCS. Defense was good not great this year, Braun thought we could get away more times than not rushing only 4 and it hurt us at times.

[Son of a Bison]

Agree, our D line could not get tot he Qb alone this year too often. Had to be more aggressive with blitzes at times. Yes, can get burned but it can also lead to more turnovers - which we could not create very often this year.

QUOTE=ndsubison1;1605037]We had the top scoring defense last year in FCS. Defense was good not great this year, Braun thought we could get away more times than not rushing only 4 and it hurt us at times.[/QUOTE]

[CAS4127]

We had the top scoring defense last year in FCS. Defense was good not great this year, Braun thought we could get away more times than not rushing only 4 and it hurt us at times.

This, and blitzes weren’t timed well and QB contain was an issue—passing D.

Running D has been covered, but I’ll mention that D line get pushed back and keep LBs clean was also a problem. And tackling as a whole.

[scottietohottie]

It was so cool when those Bison lineman spun in x's with each other at the line of scrimmage and teh wabbits just ran untouched into teh endzones eh.

[Kujava23]

It allows for a much more attack-like D IMO and gets more speed on the field.

Do your Will and Sam need to be bigger in 3-4

[SDbison]

It was so cool when those Bison lineman spun in x's with each other at the line of scrimmage and teh wabbits just ran untouched into teh endzones eh. How many drugs are you on bro?....eh

[23Bison]

It was so cool when those Bison lineman spun in x's with each other at the line of scrimmage and teh wabbits just ran untouched into teh endzones eh.

It happened at least three times. One for sure went for 6. I had seen the alignment of the DTs and went and loaded the gun.

[scottietohottie]

How many drugs are you on bro?....eh

At least 3 prescription ones today. Trying to get it figured out bro eh. I'm trying.

[scottietohottie]

It happened at least three times. One for sure went for 6. I had seen the alignment of the DTs and went and loaded the gun.

The one I'm thinking of went for 6 untouched eh. But it looked cool eh.

[EndZoneQB]

Random thoughts: As a Vikes fan I currently hate the 3-4 defense even though they are only an example of what a horrible 3-4 looks like. As far as Braun goes….I’m not so sure Northwestern isn’t doing us a favor. This defense hasn’t been the same since Klieman left and probably the 2 worst defenses of this dynasty run are under Brauns short stint. I don’t fully know who/what has changed or is to blame but we need somebody that can get us back the nasty, playmaking defenses that kickstarted this dynasty. Looking back the other day at the recruiting summary I see a huge lack of all American type talent in our classes under the Entz regime. Not sure if that’s strictly recruiting or coaching/player development. I am afraid though that we are trending down. The Rabbit team that just smoked us is good but not great either. They lost to a meh Iowa team and would have been wrecked by the 2016 Iowa team that a “down” NDSU team beat.

My biggest concern is that the defensive issues directly relate back to Entz. Defenses were great with Klieman as DC and HC - how much did Entz do in those years? Is that showing up now that he maybe isn't as great of a defensive mind as we thought/assumed? Did Klieman use him as the guy because he was 1. familiar and 2. able to run what CK wanted?


This, and blitzes weren’t timed well and QB contain was an issue—passing D.

Running D has been covered, but I’ll mention that D line get pushed back and keep LBs clean was also a problem. And tackling as a whole.

I saw so many times, repeatedly all year, we would have a guy on the edge/outside and we would just WHIFF on the tackle. It seemed to be different types too, some head down shoulder bumps, some just unable to actually wrap up. It seemed like people were trying to make an individual player rather than wrap up and wait for friends - something we have been GREAT at during the run.

[23Bison]

The one I'm thinking of went for 6 untouched eh. But it looked cool eh.

Yep and I believe you are correct. DTs got balled up tougher with the C and G. Basically had 4 guys in an area of phone booth playing patty cake.

[HerdBot]

How about Nick Goeser? He's been with us the longest

[23Bison]

How about Nick Goeser? He's been with us the longest

Yup I mentioned it in another thread. Been here longer than Entz apparently (didn’t know that) has had a number of AA under his watch.

[HerdBot]

Yup I mentioned it in another thread. Been here longer than Entz apparently (didn’t know that) has had a number of AA under his watch.

He's been very loyal and patient. He's my top guy if we hire interbally. Grant needs a little more experience IMO

[Bisonator98]

How about Nick Goeser? He's been with us the longest

Definitely deserves a shot but I'm curious why he hasn't been promoted before, maybe he doesn't want to be a coordinator?

[scottietohottie]

Yup I mentioned it in another thread. Been here longer than Entz apparently (didn’t know that) has had a number of AA under his watch.

I know where he lives!!!

[scottietohottie]

Right on top teh old strawberry patch eh

[Professor Chaos]

Yup I mentioned it in another thread. Been here longer than Entz apparently (didn’t know that) has had a number of AA under his watch.
Goeser was here before Klieman - joined the staff in 2010 and has stuck around through 2 different head coaching departures.

[G_Funky]

I imagine Buddah Williams is in the mix.

Ton of production from the DE spot while he was here.

CSU's defense was downright dreadful this year, though, so maybe hes gonna hang around and see what Freddie and him can do.

[GreenfieldBison]

The one I'm thinking of went for 6 untouched eh. But it looked cool eh.

Just imagine how frustrating it is to be one of those stunting DL and have your oppo let up to celebrate the free runner. Ugh.

[CAS4127]

My biggest concern is that the defensive issues directly relate back to Entz. Defenses were great with Klieman as DC and HC - how much did Entz do in those years? Is that showing up now that he maybe isn't as great of a defensive mind as we thought/assumed? Did Klieman use him as the guy because he was 1. familiar and 2. able to run what CK wanted?


Yep—and in a 3-4 D you’d have other LBs and safeties swarming to the ball, assuming desire and determination to do so.

And, in a 3-4, almost every play isolates a D player who is designed to make a tackle. If you can’t outright do so, you force the ball carrier INTO pursuit of your teammates or, if close to sideline, use it as a defender. We have lost fundamentals IMO. And the little things add up to big things.

And sorry, I cut off some of your post.

[56BISON73]

Yep—and in a 3-4 D you’d have other LBs and safeties swarming to the ball, assuming desire and determination to do so.

And, in a 3-4, almost every play isolates a D player who is designed to make a tackle. If you can’t outright do so, you force the ball carrier INTO pursuit of your teammates or, if close to sideline, use it as a defender. We have lost fundamentals IMO. And the little things add up to big things.

And sorry, I cut off some of your post.

Fundamentals are atrocious. Play soft because of defensive philosophies is habit forming. One more thing I find abysmal is game time situational awareness. The players have to know MORE than how to run a play. They need to know basic Rules. Time, down and distance situations.

[scottietohottie]

Fundamentals are atrocious. Play soft because of defensive philosophies is habit forming. One more thing I find abysmal is game time situational awareness. The players have to know MORE than how to run a play. They need to know basic Rules. Time, down and distance situations.

Coaches to eh. I'd love to send Entz a coaching for dummies book or a how to use timeouts for dummies book but I can't find the audio versions eh.

[56BISON73]

Coaches to eh. I'd love to send Entz a coaching for dummies book or a how to use timeouts for dummies book but I can't find the audio versions eh.

:nod::nod:

[HerdBot]

Fundamentals are atrocious. Play soft because of defensive philosophies is habit forming. One more thing I find abysmal is game time situational awareness. The players have to know MORE than how to run a play. They need to know basic Rules. Time, down and distance situations.

That is a good point

We always play soft between the 20s to prevent a big play, and then are supposed to tighten up. Instead we are soft in the red zone. Heck we are soft on 3rd & 10. Habit forming. I get the idea but the players look scared to make a mistake

Thats on offense too. 3rd & 10 and we run an 8 yard curl. Its maddening.

Do they really not know where the chains are?

[56BISON73]

That is a good point

We always play soft between the 20s to prevent a big play, and then are supposed to tighten up. Instead we are soft in the red zone. Heck we are soft on 3rd & 10. Habit forming. I get the idea but the players look scared to make a mistake

Thats on offense too. 3rd & 10 and we run an 8 yard curl. Its maddening.

Do they really not know where the chains are?

The D is guilty of this as well. Our Corner back is 2 yards off the 1st down marker. The receiver catches the ball 2 yards from the first down. Does our corner move up to tackle him before the line to gain? Fuck no. He WAITS till he gets to him 2 yards AFTER the line to gain. WTF is that all about? Happened a lot this year. Actually saw that a few time on the goal line as well. I dont understand shit like that.