National Signing Day - Class of 2023

[Jay]

Jaylin Crumby, DB from FLA - 5’11” 186

https://twitter.com/ndsufootball/status/1605544788345880583?s=46&t=qds1UgffFu-VtYLvbL0i3w

[Jay]

Collin Knorr - 6-4, 210 tight end/linebacker from South Prairie High School.

https://twitter.com/ndsufootball/status/1605549759606845440?s=46&t=qds1UgffFu-VtYLvbL0i3w

[Jay]

Victor Isele, a 6-2, 221 defensive end from Grand Island, Neb.

https://twitter.com/ndsufootball/status/1605550715950100480?s=46&t=qds1UgffFu-VtYLvbL0i3w

[Jay]

Oliver Lucht, a 6-1, 208 linebacker from Fargo Davies High School.

https://twitter.com/ndsufootball/status/1605551055630004226?s=46&t=qds1UgffFu-VtYLvbL0i3w

[Jay]

Josh Hendricks, a 6-1, 204 linebacker from Grimes, Iowa.

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605551710050476032?s=20&t=I6R3pVw5lbCdjH_8EpD0qw (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605551710050476032?s=20&t=I6R3pVw5lbCdjH_8EpD0qw)

[Jay]

CharMar Brown, a 5-11, 206 running back from Creighton Prep High School in Omaha.

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605552070723047424?s=20&t=I6R3pVw5lbCdjH_8EpD0qw (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605552070723047424?s=20&t=I6R3pVw5lbCdjH_8EpD0qw)

[Jay]

Beau Johnson, a 6-5, 241 offensive lineman from Spring Lake Park, Minn.

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605552565722042368?s=20&t=5bAqsOzx9xXSjpHiQzek_Q (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605552565722042368?s=20&t=5bAqsOzx9xXSjpHiQzek_Q)

[Jay]

Josiah Azure from Bay Port High School in Green Bay. Defensive player of the year in WI.

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605553333153964032?s=20&t=5bAqsOzx9xXSjpHiQzek_Q (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605553333153964032?s=20&t=5bAqsOzx9xXSjpHiQzek_Q)

[Jay]

Brennan Palmer, a 6-4, 237 defensive end from Fargo Davies High School.

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605553723299704832?s=20&t=5bAqsOzx9xXSjpHiQzek_Q (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605553723299704832?s=20&t=5bAqsOzx9xXSjpHiQzek_Q)

[Jay]

Nate Schneckloth, a 6-5, 264 offensive lineman from North Scott High School in Eldridge, Iowa

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605554230860709888?s=20&t=wIq8y7Dfwvrc-yMzmO0Xlg (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605554230860709888?s=20&t=wIq8y7Dfwvrc-yMzmO0Xlg)

[Jay]

Trey Drake, a 6-3, 206 quarterback from Jamestown, N.Y.

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605555967113953282?s=20&t=h0JDEotZ213XnTONyfOTIg (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605555967113953282?s=20&t=h0JDEotZ213XnTONyfOTIg)

[Jay]

Reese Sheldon, a 6-1, 186 defensive back from Cloquet, Minn.

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605556303190888449?s=20&t=Qnyj-9NniifsHF_PbD_5Bw (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605556303190888449?s=20&t=Qnyj-9NniifsHF_PbD_5Bw)

[Jay]

Noah Taylor, a 6-0, 198 defensive back from Lemont, Ill.

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605556818687627264?s=20&t=5vZUAiNQQbvrqTqWSlODJw (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605556818687627264?s=20&t=5vZUAiNQQbvrqTqWSlODJw)

[Jay]

Abraham Myers, a 6-2, 222 defensive end from Sioux Falls Washington High School

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605560706752978951?s=20&t=npoxGeu9UGtI7ZB6LVvWsg (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605560706752978951?s=20&t=npoxGeu9UGtI7ZB6LVvWsg)

[Loud and Proud Bison fan]

hate to ruin the thread, but wanted to know is there a signing day radio show on either 970 Am or Bison 1660 today outside of their normal programming?

[Jay]

Jaiden Pickett, a 6-1, 192 linebacker from Riverside University High School in Milwaukee

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605566257972924416?s=20&t=axNt-7d6C6HLiht_Mshbuw (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605566257972924416?s=20&t=axNt-7d6C6HLiht_Mshbuw)

[Jay]

hate to ruin the thread, but wanted to know is there a signing day radio show on either 970 Am or Bison 1660 today outside of their normal programming?

Izzo will be doing one... and Ean Deno will be on the Bison Report podcast.

[Jay]

Austin Schultz, a 6-3, 284 offensive lineman from Moorhead High School.

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605566519940972544?s=20&t=sSH5ed02pwcunhbJxMPAIw (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605566519940972544?s=20&t=sSH5ed02pwcunhbJxMPAIw)

[Jay]

Jailen Duffie, a 5-11, 165 defensive back from Warren Township High School in Illinois.

https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605567107294302208?s=20&t=gvhLBnoCoXCHcM_hK0fbvg (https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1605567107294302208?s=20&t=gvhLBnoCoXCHcM_hK0fbvg)

[Kujava23]

collin knorr - 6-4, 210 tight end/linebacker from south prairie high school.

https://twitter.com/ndsufootball/status/1605549759606845440?s=46&t=qds1ugfffu-vtylvbl0i3w

new name.......

[Kujava23]

jaylin crumby, db from fla - 5’11” 186

https://twitter.com/ndsufootball/status/1605544788345880583?s=46&t=qds1ugfffu-vtylvbl0i3w

new name.......

[Jay]

Keenan Wilson, a 6-1, 284 defensive tackle from Eagan, Minn.

https://twitter.com/ndsufootball/status/1605569357764907008?s=46&t=tt3wlGtGf3rFnifSEaiCkA

[Jay]

Najee Nelson, a 5-11, 176 defensive back from Lakeville North High School.

Raja’s younger bro…

https://twitter.com/ndsufootball/status/1605571673008340993?s=46&t=tt3wlGtGf3rFnifSEaiCkA

[Kujava23]

najee nelson, a 5-11, 176 defensive back from lakeville north high school.

Raja’s younger bro…

https://twitter.com/ndsufootball/status/1605571673008340993?s=46&t=tt3wlgtgf3rfnifseaicka

new name............

[IndyBison]

new name.......Son of former Bison Steve Knorr from Sawyer

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[Jay]

Jack Liwienski, a 6-3, 290 offensive lineman from Minnetonka High School.

[NDSU_grad]

Son of former Bison Steve Knorr from Sawyer

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Yep. Collin’s great uncle is Bison HOF’er Walt Odegaard.

[Professor Chaos]

Still waiting on Ahmar Brown and Tywan Royal as far as known verbals as well as the transfers Izzo referred to in his tweet this morning.

[IndyBison]

Yep. Collin’s great uncle is Bison HOF’er Bob Odegaard. Bob’s son and Steve’s first cousin Mike Odegaard also played for the Bison.Mike attended NDSU but did not play football

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[NDSU_grad]

Mike attended NDSU but did not play football

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Yeah I got a lot of things wrong in that post. It’s Walt, not Bob Odegaard. I was confusing Walt’s first name with Steve’s dad first name Good grief it sucks getting old. I edited my original post to look slightly less stupid.

[Jay]

Still waiting on Ahmar Brown and Tywan Royal as far as known verbals as well as the transfers Izzo referred to in his tweet this morning.

Royal looks to have decommitted. Has all NDSU stuff off his Twitter account.

[tony]

Son of former Bison Steve Knorr from Sawyer

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I was racking my brain trying to remember why that name was so familiar.

I might be one of the few not from Sawyer to know two guys from Sawyer too.

[bruinbison]

That must be it for high school players today,
NDSU already has it’s signing day article up

https://gobison.com/news/2022/12/21/ndsu-football-adds-20-high-school-standouts-on-early-signing-day.aspx

edit: Preferred Walk Ons are TBD

[OrygunBison]

I hate to be a damp blanket but should we be concerned that we have only one total recruit in this group from the states of Missouri, Florida, Georgia, and Texas? Seems like we've had better luck with some speed guys from those locations in the past.

[bstark28]

Some interesting news, re: transfer portal guys....on Izzo's show, they mentioned that we'd be "accepting" three portal kids....Hunter Zenzen and Blake Peterson from Iowa State, along with Marcus Sheppard (I believe), a CB from Bowling Green. If all are true, those three each should be impact guys next Fall.

[ndsubison1]

Pickett enrolling early.

[Bisonator98]

I hate to be a damp blanket but should we be concerned that we have only one total recruit in this group from the states of Missouri, Florida, Georgia, and Texas? Seems like we've had better luck with some speed guys from those locations in the past.

They're also usually the ones transferring out early too. Would be nice to hit on a few more Christian Watsons but they are far and few between IMO.

[17>1]

I hate to be a damp blanket but should we be concerned that we have only one total recruit in this group from the states of Missouri, Florida, Georgia, and Texas? Seems like we've had better luck with some speed guys from those locations in the past.

Maybe not directly answering your question regarding today's class that signed, but I seem to remember us getting some solid athletes from the states you mentioned in the later signing period. I'm assuming we have a couple of schollies remaining for those exact players.

[El_Chapo]

too many decommits and pwos.
I know a few people concerned about last year too.
NDSU better hit the transfer portal hard, A TON OF POWER 5 KIDS should be begging to play at NDSU. it's a quick way to the NFL

[NDSUstudent]

too many decommits and pwos.
I know a few people concerned about last year too.
NDSU better hit the transfer portal hard, A TON OF POWER 5 KIDS should be begging to play at NDSU. it's a quick way to the NFL

This isn't a Richman coached team Chapo, we will fill some gaps with the portal. Stop your panic and enjoy the season.

[El_Chapo]

This isn't a Richman coached team Chapo, we will fill some gaps with the portal. Stop your panic and enjoy the season.

this is a TRUE STATEMENT

[tolnabison]

too many decommits and pwos.
I know a few people concerned about last year too.
NDSU better hit the transfer portal hard, A TON OF POWER 5 KIDS should be begging to play at NDSU. it's a quick way to the NFL

Who all decommitted?

Who are all PWOs?

[Kujava23]

I will be very excited if we land LB Hunter Zenzen and DE Blake Peterson have had some success already at the collegiate level and both at positions of need to help out Code Green

[Kujava23]

Who all decommitted?

Who are all PWOs?

Decommit(s):

Devin Clark, 6-3, 185, DB, Marietta, GA
Grant Larkin, 6-0, 180, WR/FS, Naperville (Neuqua Valley), IL
Kade Pieper, 6-3, 240, DE/OG, Norfolk (Norfolk Catholic), NE

Possibly
Tywan Royal ATH

[tolnabison]

Decommit(s):

Devin Clark, 6-3, 185, DB, Marietta, GA
Grant Larkin, 6-0, 180, WR/FS, Naperville (Neuqua Valley), IL
Kade Pieper, 6-3, 240, DE/OG, Norfolk (Norfolk Catholic), NE

Possibly
Tywan Royal ATH

I know who they are. He is making it sound like we had 10 de-commits.
Larkin wanted to play WR, NDSU recruiting him as a defensive back.
Pieper took an FBS offer to Iowa.

[steelbison]

WOW that's a lot of DB in one class. Not a lot of LB or OL or DL and not a single WR? or did I miss that?

[CAS4127]

Feels like we are light on Oline signings??

[tolnabison]

WOW that's a lot of DB in one class. Not a lot of LB or OL or DL and not a single WR? or did I miss that?


Feels like we are light on Oline signings??

Four OL- Beau Johnson, Jack Liwienski, Austin Schultz, and Nate Schneckloth

Two LB- Josh Hendricks and Jaiden Pickett

Six Defensive Line- DE Victor Isele, DE Abraham Meyers, DE Brennan Palmer, DT Keenan Wilson, plus two portal transfers in DEs Blake Peterson and Hunter Zenzen

But you are right, no WRs. Maybe a position they look at in the second signing day or through the portal?

[ndsubison1]

Unless Tamerick somehow changes his mind and comes back next year, hope to see an RB Transfer at the signing day in February.

[steelbison]

Four OL- Beau Johnson, Jack Liwienski, Austin Schultz, and Nate Schneckloth

Two LB- Josh Hendricks and Jaiden Pickett

Six Defensive Line- DE Victor Isele, DE Abraham Meyers, DE Brennan Palmer, DT Keenan Wilson, plus two portal transfers in DEs Blake Peterson and Hunter Zenzen

But you are right, no WRs. Maybe a position they look at in the second signing day or through the portal?

Appreciate that. I guess I should have said DT In my opinion our positions of need are WR, TE LB, DT and RB

[CAS4127]

Unless Tamerick somehow changes his mind and comes back next year, hope to see an RB Transfer at the signing day in February.

Ditto. And not surprised about no WRs being signed. Lots of young talent waiting in wings right now.

[DM05]

Four OL- Beau Johnson, Jack Liwienski, Austin Schultz, and Nate Schneckloth

Two LB- Josh Hendricks and Jaiden Pickett

Six Defensive Line- DE Victor Isele, DE Abraham Meyers, DE Brennan Palmer, DT Keenan Wilson, plus two portal transfers in DEs Blake Peterson and Hunter Zenzen

But you are right, no WRs. Maybe a position they look at in the second signing day or through the portal?

We only have one senior WR on the roster (Mathis) and 8 listed as redshirt freshman or true freshman.

8 true freshman defensive lineman currently listed, no senior DT's. COVID year messed up the balance that is usually in the roster and will still be having an effect for two more years as guys decide whether to use the extra year or move on; only list 7 sophomores right now.

Excited to see Blake Petersen; have watched him at Iowa State. Wasn't asked to do much in a 3-3-5 defense, but he's a big DE for FCS that will help with Waege's departure. Was very much hoping he would end up at the correct xDSU.

[steelbison]

Ditto. And not surprised about no WRs being signed. Lots of young talent waiting in wings right now.

If that is the case, why aren't any of them getting PT with the four game rule? Seems like perfect time to get these guys some expeirence

[THEsocalledfan]

If that is the case, why aren't any of them getting PT with the four game rule? Seems like perfect time to get these guys some expeirence

That is my worry as well....however, you can push back that we had a ton of receivers when we started the year, and just no room for them. With that said, if one of them was truly lighting it up, you have think they would have played.

[ndsubison1]

Peterson and Zenzen should step in right away and contribute, filling in for Waege and Kaczor.

[DM05]

too many decommits and pwos.
I know a few people concerned about last year too.
NDSU better hit the transfer portal hard, A TON OF POWER 5 KIDS should be begging to play at NDSU. it's a quick way to the NFL

Too many PWO's....JFC.

We have only so many scholarships that can be divided to only so many players....we and every team in the country needs plenty of kids to commit as non-scholarship players.

[steelbison]

Too many PWO's....JFC.

We have only so many scholarships that can be divided to only so many players....we and every team in the country needs plenty of kids to commit as non-scholarship players.

Right, we haven't had any success with PWO LOL

[mtoutfitter]

Too many PWO's....JFC.

We have only so many scholarships that can be divided to only so many players....we and every team in the country needs plenty of kids to commit as non-scholarship players.

Guess he doesn't realize that a couple of those Hoople PWOs beat out the 3 star DE who's now in the portal.

[tolnabison]

Peterson and Zenzen should step in right away and contribute, filling in for Waege and Kaczor.

According to Izzo and Kolpack, Zenzen will also be playing DE.

[wan2bqb]

Right, we haven't had any success with PWO LOL

Look no further than PWO Cody Mauch. Future NFL Draft pick and Mr. Versatility for this team for the past 4 or 5 years. Last year when it didn't work out for Cordell at LT guess who swapped sides and has been the anchor ever since.

[THEsocalledfan]

Look no further than PWO Cody Mauch. Future NFL Draft pick and Mr. Versatility for this team for the past 4 or 5 years. Last year when it didn't work out for Cordell at LT guess who swapped sides and has been the anchor ever since.

Joe Haeg was a PWO.....still in the league.

[CAS4127]

If that is the case, why aren't any of them getting PT with the four game rule? Seems like perfect time to get these guys some expeirence

I here you. A couple of thoughts. With 2 losses fairly early in season, coaches may have decided they couldn’t risk playing young WRs in critical spots. Also, we didn’t have a ton of blowouts. Lastly, I feel like we might not be following our long-time rule/policy of putting your best players on the field regardless of age/year/time on roster.

[wan2bqb]

I think the Covid year and super seniors has made it much more difficult to manage rosters and recruiting. You have guys thinking they are going to crack the roster in year 2 or 3 and all of the sudden they dont because the guy who was supposed to be gone is still there with an extra year and all the experience. If you play them (freshman) that first year then all of the sudden you gain extra years kids, you end up with more kids leaving all at the same time. Those with and without covid years. Its a struggle to juggle Im sure.

[HerdBot]

I think the Covid year and super seniors has made it much more difficult to manage rosters and recruiting. You have guys thinking they are going to crack the roster in year 2 or 3 and all of the sudden they dont because the guy who was supposed to be gone is still there with an extra year and all the experience. If you play them (freshman) that first year then all of the sudden you gain extra years kids, you end up with more kids leaving all at the same time. Those with and without covid years. Its a struggle to juggle Im sure.

It fucked shit up for everyone. Never thought I would see 26 year old college players. How weird would it be to be an 18 y/o true freshman playing with grown ass men. I look at some of our super seniors pictures as HS recruits and they looked like babies lol

[El_Chapo]

Hunter & Blake surely help. But we don't include Portals with Signing class do we now?

[Professor Chaos]

It fucked shit up for everyone. Never thought I would see 26 year old college players. How weird would it be to be an 18 y/o true freshman playing with grown ass men. I look at some of our super seniors pictures as HS recruits and they looked like babies lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjPe0BvXwAEWjZt?format=jpg&name=medium

[HerdBot]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjPe0BvXwAEWjZt?format=jpg&name=medium

A 6-4, 238 pound baby as a true freshman up to a 6-6, 303 pound Erik The Red

[Gully]

I was racking my brain trying to remember why that name was so familiar.

I might be one of the few not from Sawyer to know two guys from Sawyer too.

I certainly do and Steve is one of them!

[Gully]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjPe0BvXwAEWjZt?format=jpg&name=medium

This is glorious.

[CrazyJoeDavola]

The QB out of New York is interesting. That's a new connection and I don't remember a recruit from New York in my time following. Anyone have a background on how they got him to come to Fargo?

[ndsubison1]

Well Entz announced that Tamerick will return next season

[EC8CH]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjPe0BvXwAEWjZt?format=jpg&name=medium

Between 2021 and 2022 He really found a conditioner that works well for him.

[Snowgoose]

Well Entz announced that Tamerick will return next season

This is good as we were getting thin for next year.

[dewey]

The QB out of New York is interesting. That's a new connection and I don't remember a recruit from New York in my time following. Anyone have a background on how they got him to come to Fargo?

Dom Izzo and Kolpack talked about it during the Hot Mic show today.

Dewey

[dewey]

Well Entz announced that Tamerick will return next season

That is fantastic news! I really enjoy watching him run the ball.

Dewey

[GreenfieldBison]

LOL! I fucking love Matt Entz. He's a funny guy, with a huge heart. Hey coach! If you have any of your staff reading this shit I still have some eligibility left, I'll run through a wall for ya*.



*success not guaranteed

[CAS4127]

LOL! I fucking love Matt Entz. He's a funny guy, with a huge heart. Hey coach! If you have any of your staff reading this shit I still have some eligibility left, I'll run through a wall for ya*.



*success not guaranteed

I’ll be waiting for you on the other side!!

I too enjoyed his signing day presser!

[HerdBot]

Between 2021 and 2022 He really found a conditioner that works well for him.

Mane and tail. He uses an original Verticoli Brush. Perfectly balanced, with low drag and minimal torque, the Verticoli is based on the mythical brush that was handmade in Italy and carved out of illegal whalebone.

[Bisman]

NDSU Football Adds 20 High School Standouts on Early Signing Day

https://gobison.com/news/2022/12/21/ndsu-football-adds-20-high-school-standouts-on-early-signing-day.aspx

[gavin2126]

Mane and tail. He uses an original Verticoli Brush. Perfectly balanced, with low drag and minimal torque, the Verticoli is based on the mythical brush that was handmade in Italy and carved out of illegal whalebone.It's impossible for him to love a human baby as much as he loves his Verticoli.

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[IndyBison]

I saw somewhere today the number of Bison recruits in the top 20/30 from their respective state. It was an impressive list. I was curious to see where the Indiana top 30 went. Of course these rankings are very subjective and often wrong, but it's still an interesting comparison.

https://highschoolfootballamerica.com/top-indiana-high-school-football-players-for-the-2022-season/

These were commits, and I haven't found a full list of signings yet. Only 1 was committed to an FCS program (Illinois State #29). 14 are P5 and not surprisingly mostly B1G. 12 were G5 with 9 to the MAC (3 each for Ball State and Western Michigan). Indiana often ranks in the 15-20 ranking for all states. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Missouri, and Nebraska are 25-35. The other MAC states (Illinois, Michigan, Ohio) are also top 15 states. There are several FBS schools in these states so that talent gets spread out, but the MAC does have a lot of talent.

This also reinforces NDSU has done a great job finding raw talent and developing it in less talent rich areas.

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[bruinbison]

WOW that's a lot of DB in one class. Not a lot of LB or OL or DL and not a single WR? or did I miss that?

There were a couple of late offers, one to local prospect Vuciri Hakim and the other to Jacob Kilzer. Hakim is a tall WR and Kilzer is a QB/ATH with 4.5-4.6 speed. Perhaps one of them will still choose NDSU. I would also guess that RFr Eli Green is a battlefield promotion where he is/will be put on scholarship after originally being a PWO.

I saw a Ryan Burns comment last week where he thought Kilzer would wait until the late signing period to make a decision. He has a Minnesota PWO offer, so that gives him more time to decide on his options. Kilzer could also end up as a safety, and in NDSU’s case they did have the two decommits (Devin Clark & Grant Larkin).

QB/ATH/DB Reese Sheldon - iirc he was a PWO commit originally, but as he signed yesterday I’ll guess he got that promotion to a scholly because of the two decommits at DB.

[G_Funky]

LOL! I fucking love Matt Entz. He's a funny guy, with a huge heart. Hey coach! If you have any of your staff reading this shit I still have some eligibility left, I'll run through a wall for ya*.



*success not guaranteed

Wait a minute...I thought that the program was in shambles and there is strife in the locker room and no one wants to play for Entz?

[scottietohottie]

Wait a minute...I thought that the program was in shambles and there is strife in the locker room and no one wants to play for Entz?

I love brick tamland too eh.

[EC8CH]

LOL! I fucking love Matt Entz. He's a funny guy, with a huge heart. Hey coach! If you have any of your staff reading this shit I still have some eligibility left, I'll run through a wall for ya*.



*success not guaranteed

Entz stands out in just his quick and complete recollection about all the players and recruits. And he comes across as genuine. That, at lease to me, shows what makes him great on the recruiting trail.

[El_Chapo]

why don't we even offer 4 and 5 star kids?

at this point in our program you could show the recruit they could play Day 1 and be in the NFL in 3 years if they perform.

I'm not saying we will get these kids but we don't even offer

[scottietohottie]

why don't we even offer 4 and 5 star kids?

at this point in our program you could show the recruit they could play Day 1 and be in the NFL in 3 years if they perform.

I'm not saying we will get these kids but we don't even offer

We just need kids better then sdsu eh.

[OrygunBison]

why don't we even offer 4 and 5 star kids?

at this point in our program you could show the recruit they could play Day 1 and be in the NFL in 3 years if they perform.

I'm not saying we will get these kids but we don't even offer

Entz doesn't want to read an angry post from you in 4 years where you're bitching about some rockstar player that goes into the portal for his last season after helping to win some natties for the Herd.

[El_Chapo]

Entz doesn't want to read an angry post from you in 4 years where you're bitching about some rockstar player that goes into the portal for his last season after helping to win some natties for the Herd.

haha. good one

[Professor Chaos]

why don't we even offer 4 and 5 star kids?

at this point in our program you could show the recruit they could play Day 1 and be in the NFL in 3 years if they perform.

I'm not saying we will get these kids but we don't even offer
Do you realize how much time and effort goes into securing a verbal commitment? You don't just send them a couple letters, a text, and an offer. There's limited time and money to spend recruiting these guys so it's pointless to spend that time on someone who you know you're not going to get because you're sacrificing time that could be spent recruiting a prospect who has a reasonable chance of signing at your school. The only way recruits get 4/5 star designations is because they're offered by the biggest of the big boys in college football - NDSU ain't winning those battles... in fact they wouldn't even be in the conversation.

[Snowgoose]

Our best players haven’t even necessarily been three star players. Seems like quite a few that have had the highest stars haven’t necessarily made that large of an impact. What we are doing is working great for now. Unfortunately people have noticed and will continue to try and poach these kids we have offered and it is getting worse especially as the coaching tree has expanded.

[Jay]

why don't we even offer 4 and 5 star kids?

at this point in our program you could show the recruit they could play Day 1 and be in the NFL in 3 years if they perform.

I'm not saying we will get these kids but we don't even offer

Why waste time, effort and relationship building with players that will never come here?

Or spend time with our 0-3 star kids, recruit retain and develop… and they’re 4 and 5 star ability by the time we need them to play.

[HerdBot]

why don't we even offer 4 and 5 star kids?

at this point in our program you could show the recruit they could play Day 1 and be in the NFL in 3 years if they perform.

I'm not saying we will get these kids but we don't even offer

We develop our 4 star kids. Outside of QB, it's a waste of time and resources to offer. We will never get a 5 star QB either unless we can pay them more than our head coach makes

[wan2bqb]

Why waste time, effort and relationship building with players that will never come here?

Or spend time with our 0-3 star kids, recruit retain and develop… and they’re 4 and 5 star ability by the time we need them to play.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

We recruit kids to fit the system not recruiting kids and then change the system to fit them. The developmental model seems to be working quite well. We could go out and chase all these big names and big egos and then end up with more issues, transfers and . Entz said it best in his presser, Kids whose brother, team mate, friend ect. have been here seen the commitment and effort it take and still choose to take that on. Those are the kids that we want and need. And the kids we target and should continue to.

[IndyBison]

4 and 5 star kids can often go to P5 schools, play right away, and go to the NFL in 3 years. And kids aren't recruited to Alabama and Ohio State because they are 4 or 5 stars. They are 4 or 5 stars because they've been offered by Alabama or Ohio State. Sure, the Bison can offer, but they need to focus efforts on realistic targets. Recruiting is hard work. No need to waste time on unrealistic targets.

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[scottietohottie]

Like the sands in an hourglass eh

[El_Chapo]

i guess I'm just looking into the future for bigger and better.

Plus we are only #153 on 24/7 Overall https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/OverallTeamRankings/

ONLY 1 3 star recruit Duffie.

Composite Wise

3 3 stars Duffie & Beau Johnson & Hendricks

8 2 stars Liwienski Pickett Azure Schneckloth Charmar Wilson Isele Schultz
(4 of them got upgraded to 2 star after signing w NDSU)

Rest are pwo/unranked.

[NDSUBowler]

i guess I'm just looking into the future for bigger and better.

Plus we are only #153 on 24/7 Overall https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/OverallTeamRankings/

ONLY 1 3 star recruit Duffie.

Composite Wise

3 3 stars Duffie & Beau Johnson & Hendricks

8 2 stars Liwienski Pickett Azure Schneckloth Charmar Wilson Isele Schultz
(4 of them got upgraded to 2 star after signing w NDSU)

Rest are pwo/unranked.

lol if you really think the campbell camels are truly the #83 school in the nation and 70 spots ahead of NDSU then you are an idiot.

Stop reading dumb rankings...I know it's hard for you because you need that sweet sweet SWEET national validation, but ffs just stop.

[HerdBot]

i guess I'm just looking into the future for bigger and better.

Plus we are only #153 on 24/7 Overall and only 1 3 star recruit Duffie.

Its in line with a typical season which is usually 130 ish.

Looking to the future i hope we can get a collective that is evenly distributed. To continue on 5 star QBs making huge money... Apparently some schools who pay their stars huge money and its dividing locker rooms. Just what we want, a QB who gets 250k and an o-line who gets 0 and is annoyed. What could go wrong?

[Professor Chaos]

i guess I'm just throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks.
Fixed it for you.

[Alsen]

Victor Isele at 6'2" 220 ran a 11.07 100 meter last spring. Ladies and gentlemen, The Bison are going to have a bona fide speed rusher in the future.
Hard to tell from just highlights without actual measurements, but he appears to have a long wingspan as well. Excellent short area quickness as well.
It does appear that he is going to need a lot of coaching up, a lot. I can see why the FBS was wary of him. If the lights come on in the future, this kid could be playing on Sunday's as 3-4 OLB.
He also went to State in the shot put and threw over 50.
Victor was also a wrestler.

[El_Chapo]

lol if you really think the campbell camels are truly the #83 school in the nation and 70 spots ahead of NDSU then you are an idiot.

Stop reading dumb rankings...I know it's hard for you because you need that sweet sweet SWEET national validation, but ffs just stop.

Hey we are usually around 128 or 130!!! on the composite side we have a good collection of 2 stars and the 2 3 stars so that's the good news.

[HerdBot]

Victor Isele at 6'2" 220 ran a 11.07 100 meter last spring. Ladies and gentlemen, The Bison are going to have a bona fide speed rusher in the future.
Hard to tell from just highlights without actual measurements, but he appears to have a long wingspan as well. Excellent short area quickness as well.
It does appear that he is going to need a lot of coaching up, a lot. I can see why the FBS was wary of him. If the lights come on in the future, this kid could be playing on Sunday's as 3-4 OLB.
He also went to State in the shot put and threw over 50.
Victor was also a wrestler.

Sounds like a potential Greg Menard 2.0. Shorter buy quick as a cat, strong arms and athletic wrestlet

[garbageman]

i guess I'm just looking into the future for bigger and better.

Plus we are only #153 on 24/7 Overall https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/OverallTeamRankings/

ONLY 1 3 star recruit Duffie.

Composite Wise

3 3 stars Duffie & Beau Johnson & Hendricks

8 2 stars Liwienski Pickett Azure Schneckloth Charmar Wilson Isele Schultz
(4 of them got upgraded to 2 star after signing w NDSU)

Rest are pwo/unranked.

How many stars did Mauch and Hague have?

[bruinbison]

Like the sands in an hourglass eh

Yup, this happens every recruiting season with Chapo……

What part of Developmental Program doesn’t he get???
Oh wait….

[bruinbison]

i guess I'm just looking into the future for bigger and better.

Plus we are only #153 on 24/7 Overall https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/OverallTeamRankings/

ONLY 1 3 star recruit Duffie.

Composite Wise

3 3 stars Duffie & Beau Johnson & Hendricks

8 2 stars Liwienski Pickett Azure Schneckloth Charmar Wilson Isele Schultz
(4 of them got upgraded to 2 star after signing w NDSU)

Rest are pwo/unranked.

You are understanding Composite by now, riiight???
You’ve been schooled on that several times by several people.
Not all recruiting sites travel all of NDSU’s recruiting footprint.
Badger fans regularly complain about that and their players rankings.

Here are a couple examples of players getting downgraded for committing to the Bison and shutting down their recruiting, not reporting new interests

From when they originally committed:





Welcome Pickettron!!!

Really nice recruiting class continues to grow for NDSU!
Jaiden Pickett ranked a 3 star, rated #8 as a prospect in Wisconsin.
He could be that larger OLB in this class, or other spots as well.


Beau Johnson


6 7 250 OL Spring Lake Park. #7 recruit in Minn on 24/7 as of today

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/13298723/61c934b5bee12203e0b54d0a

good athlete, really good sbasketball player.

NDSU 1st D1 Offer, Did Junior Day at Minnesota, then Verballed to NDSU after

Welcome

[mtoutfitter]

Yup, this happens every recruiting season with Chapo……

What part of Developmental Program doesn’t he get???
Oh wait….

Yep, he doesn't get it and doesn't want to. Like CAS says it's all a stars and FBS dick measuring contest for him.

[CAS4127]

Sounds like a potential Greg Menard 2.0. Shorter buy quick as a cat, strong arms and athletic wrestlet

@6’ 2”, he isn’t shorter
than Menard.

Menard was maybe 6’. I met and stood by him personally.

Not that I matters I guess, as this kid sounds like a great get for the Bison.

[HerdBot]

@6’ 2”, he isn’t shorter
than Menard.

Menard was maybe 6’. I met and stood by him personally.

Not that I matters I guess, as this kid sounds like a great get for the Bison.

Donald Trump is 6-3
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D01gQ7_WoAAFYzx?format=jpg&name=medium

[steelbison]

@6’ 2”, he isn’t shorter
than Menard.

Menard was maybe 6’. I met and stood by him personally.

Not that I matters I guess, as this kid sounds like a great get for the Bison.

I can confirm this. I have met Greg. I’m 5-11 and he was barely taller than me.


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[SoCalBison]

Wait... Trump isn't 6'3"? Next you'll tell me he's not 220.

[HerdBot]

I can confirm this. I have met Greg. I’m 5-11 and he was barely taller than me.


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Thats what happens when you wear stillettos and Greg is wearing flip flops

[HerdBot]

Wait... Trump isn't 6'3"? Next you'll tell me he's not 220.

If trump is 6-3, Mendard is 6-5

[reformedUNDfan]

Donald Trump is 6-3
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D01gQ7_WoAAFYzx?format=jpg&name=medium

Obama was 6'2 and was taller than Trump

[HerdBot]

Obama was 6'2 and was taller than Trump

Trump is definitely 6-1 and some change. Not 6-3. That would make Menard 6-2

[KSBisonFan]

@6’ 2”, he isn’t shorter
than Menard.

Menard was maybe 6’. I met and stood by him personally.

Not that I matters I guess, as this kid sounds like a great get for the Bison.

This ^^^. I talked to Menard at Pizza Ranch after a game. He's 6' max. Dude was a beast. We've been blessed with some stud DEs and not many of them had a bunch of stars.

[Alsen]

Donald Trump is 6-3
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D01gQ7_WoAAFYzx?format=jpg&name=medium

Trump was 6'3". People lose their height in old age. Trump is probably 6'1"now.

[ndsubison1]

Victor Isele at 6'2" 220 ran a 11.07 100 meter last spring. Ladies and gentlemen, The Bison are going to have a bona fide speed rusher in the future.
Hard to tell from just highlights without actual measurements, but he appears to have a long wingspan as well. Excellent short area quickness as well.
It does appear that he is going to need a lot of coaching up, a lot. I can see why the FBS was wary of him. If the lights come on in the future, this kid could be playing on Sunday's as 3-4 OLB.
He also went to State in the shot put and threw over 50.
Victor was also a wrestler.

And Abraham, both could be something.

[HerdBot]

Trump was 6'3". People lose their height in old age. Trump is probably 6'1"now.

So how is Greg Menard 5-11 then?

[EC8CH]

So how is Greg Menard 5-11 then?

Trump lies

[HerdBot]

Donald Trump is 6-3
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D01gQ7_WoAAFYzx?format=jpg&name=medium


Trump lies

If Menard is only 6-0, Trump is 5-10

[HerdBot]

Speaking of Menard, there's a younger Menard, Antonio who graduates next year. We better offer that kid like yesterday. Looks a lot like Greg but he's 6-3.

[mtoutfitter]

I can confirm this. I have met Greg. I’m 5-11 and he was barely taller than me.


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I agree. Passed by nim in Frisco after he graduated, I'm 6' 2'' and he was a couple inches shorter than me.

[CAS4127]

I agree. Passed by nim in Frisco after he graduated, I'm 6' 2'' and he was a couple inches shorter than me.
Gabe uses his one measers, and they or wrong, just like his claim that many of out recruits aren’t athletic, but that’s his very poor assessment… but he know everything and then some 40 times or whether. Just dense in the head.

[HerdBot]

Gabe uses his one measers, and they or wrong, just like his claim that many of out recruits aren’t athletic, but that’s his very poor assessment… but he know everything and then some 40 times or whether. Just dense in the head.

Hey I know you always have to be right so Trump is officially 5-9. You settled it. Your assesment is as sharp as your legal advise. Actully my 7 year old can figure that one out

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D01gQ7_WoAAFYzx?format=jpg&name=medium

[steelbison]

Hey I know you always have to be right so Trump is officially 5-9. You settled it. Your assesment is as sharp as your legal advise. Actully my 7 year old can figure that one out

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D01gQ7_WoAAFYzx?format=jpg&name=medium

Give it up man. Several people have met Greg and he’s not 6-2. He’s 6-0 6-1 tops. A great player and it means nothing but why you keep posting the same shit is beyond me.


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[El_Chapo]

I'm giving this class a "C"
if we popped on 1 major recruit or decommits stayed it'd be a B+

[Jay]

I'm giving this class a "C"
if we popped on 1 major recruit or decommits stayed it'd be a B+

The good thing is nobody cares. You complain every year, week and day about NDSU recruiting… and here we are in another title game.

Merry Christmas.

[bruinbison]

Odds & Ends on this year’s (so far)
recruiting class:

https://gobison.com/news/2022/12/21/ndsu-football-adds-20-high-school-standouts-on-early-signing-day.aspx

QB - If all NDSU needed was a depth QB sign, there was a pretty darn good one right in the back yard - Michael Rostberg of Shanley HS, who signed with FCS St Thomas. But the coaches must have both seen something and connected with New York product Trey Drake. Will be interesting to see his progression.

RB - After last year not having a scholly RB, this was a big priority for the Bison. CharMar (Marty) Brown from Creighton Prep - a school that has been good to NDSU - was the choice. I’ve been watching to see if another RB, a change of pace type, gets added. Perhaps as a PWO. So far no sign of such a scat back, but there is a PWO offer out to a metro KC RB, DJ Jones. He, however, might be waiting on a possible KState PWO. A wildcard scatback could be John Gores, Shanley PWO listed as a WR on the current roster.

TE - One possible TE in class, 6’ 4” 210 Collin Knorr, a TE/LB athlete.
I’ll guess that means the coaches like last year’s recruits - true freshman Kelby Azure, Nate Forystek & Kaden Zenzen. Plus RFr TE’s Finn Diggins & Carson Williams.

WR - None yet, but late offers were put out to big WR Vuciri Hakim (Shanley) plus QB/ATH Jacob Kilzer. Transfer Portal possibility??? I don’t guess they would, but who knows if both recruits are missed on. Highly rated class last year with Mehki Collins, Carson Hegerle. Plus PWO’s John Gores & Cedric Wall.

OL - 4 OL signed, 2 IOL plus 2 who could be OT prototypes.
I am getting a bit concerned about the OL recruits seeming a little small by Ram standards. And not just this year. The majority of OL who have started since the Bison FCS dynasty began were 6’ 5”, or even taller.
Three Star Beau Johnson looks like a TE coming in at 6’ 5” 241……but I said the same thing about Mason Miller when he was signed from Ada-Borup……

DL - 3 DE’s, plus one DT signed. Keenan Wilson could be, size-wise as a DT at 6’ 1” 284, the next Javier Derritt. Am hoping for a Greg Menard/Kyle Emanuel type from Victor Isele (6’ 2” 221) and Abraham Myers (6’ 2” 222). Finding rush DE’s is not easy……
DE Brennan Palmer is the one DL recruit with height at 6’ 4” 237. He also looks like a TE coming in, but Coach Entz mentioned Palmer could outgrow the DE spot and move inside. DL seems like another position that has gotten a little smaller for the Bison - good to see at least one recruit each year 6’ 4” or above. Last year had Kelton McCaslin plus PWO Josh Magin, plus Logan Larson (6’ 3” 262) and Toby Anene (6’ 3” 250) are solidly built already. DE McCaslin was mentioned as someone who was close to playing, without redshirting. The same was said of Larson at DT early in the season.

LB - 4, possibly 5 LB’s signed. If Collin Knorr ends up a LB, at 6’ 4” would be the tallest Bison LB since, well, Cole Wisniewski. Otherwise the new LB’s are all the smaller, quick type. I’m going to guess that means good things about young LB’s Nathaniel Staehling (6’ 2” 227) & Austin Altepeter (6’ 2” 218) - both are true freshmen and were highly regarded as recruits. Plus Cole Wisniewski could have 2 more years left if he/the coaches want…..:)
Coach Entz thinks he got a steal out of Wisconsin in LB/ATH Jaiden Pickett.

DB - A strength of the class, 5 were signed. Jailen Duffie is perhaps the highest rated of all the recruits. Three star, #39 ranked prospect in Illinois - would be the 8th highest ranked prospect ever for NDSU in current recruiting sites # if the number holds. At 5’ 11” 165, Duffie makes me think of Tre Dempsey coming out of high school. Jaylin Crumby may not have stars (yet), but had a really solid offer list. Reese Sheldon gives the Bison a QB/DB high school background that lets you dream on Jimmy Football (James Hendricks).

Since coaches put out late offers to two bigger rush DE’s, plus a 290 lb IOL with starting experience, the WR & QB ATH - this gives us an idea of what might be on the To Do List for recruiting. I agree with others on getting a big DT also, if possible. I’d enjoy seeing another 6’ 5” + OL as well, but that is just me being greedy.

[SDbison]

I'm giving this class a "C"
if we popped on 1 major recruit or decommits stayed it'd be a B+ I give it a C- because that is reality. The recruiting classes by current NDSU coaches are beginning to slip.

[bruinbison]

I give it a C- because that is reality. The recruiting classes by current NDSU coaches are beginning to slip.

Based on???
Care to embellish about this “reality”?


Recruiting rankings aren’t the be all end all, certainly.
But, since they started covering NDSU, things are going well in that regard.
Next year’s roster, as it sits today, will include 12 of the Top 25 ranked prospects since 247 started doing this.
That includes the Top 6.
Carson Hegerle (RFr)
Cam Miller (SR)
Jacquise Alexander (RFr)
Mehki Collins (RFr)
Luke Weerts (SR)
Joe Stoffel (SR)

And, with Super Seniors, the 3 Bison seniors could all return the 2024 season

[El_Chapo]

The good thing is nobody cares. You complain every year, week and day about NDSU recruiting… and here we are in another title game.

Merry Christmas.

that's because it's fcs bro..

[bruinbison]

From December 22nd


why don't we even offer 4 and 5 star kids?

at this point in our program you could show the recruit they could play Day 1 and be in the NFL in 3 years if they perform.

I'm not saying we will get these kids but we don't even offer

:rofl:……..:rofl:

Ah, good times, we’ll never see posts like these again……

[bruinbison]

From December 22nd


i guess I'm just looking into the future for bigger and better.

Plus we are only #153 on 24/7 Overall https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/OverallTeamRankings/

ONLY 1 3 star recruit Duffie.

Composite Wise

3 3 stars Duffie & Beau Johnson & Hendricks

8 2 stars Liwienski Pickett Azure Schneckloth Charmar Wilson Isele Schultz
(4 of them got upgraded to 2 star after signing w NDSU)

Rest are pwo/unranked.

:rofl:……..:rofl:

[bruinbison]

From December 22nd


Hey we are usually around 128 or 130!!! on the composite side we have a good collection of 2 stars and the 2 3 stars so that's the good news.

:rofl:……:rofl:

[bruinbison]

From December 22nd


You are understanding Composite by now, riiight???
You’ve been schooled on that several times by several people.
Not all recruiting sites travel all of NDSU’s recruiting footprint.
Badger fans regularly complain about that and their players rankings.

Here are a couple examples of players getting downgraded for committing to the Bison and shutting down their recruiting, not reporting new interests

From when they originally committed:



Quote Originally Posted by bruinbison
Welcome Pickettron!!!

Really nice recruiting class continues to grow for NDSU!
Jaiden Pickett ranked a 3 star, rated #8 as a prospect in Wisconsin.
He could be that larger OLB in this class, or other spots as well.


Beau Johnson



Quote Originally Posted by El_Chapo
6 7 250 OL Spring Lake Park. #7 recruit in Minn on 24/7 as of today

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/1329872...e12203e0b54d0a

good athlete, really good sbasketball player.

NDSU 1st D1 Offer, Did Junior Day at Minnesota, then Verballed to NDSU after

Welcome





Ah, good times……

[bruinbison]

From December 22nd






Quote Originally Posted by scottietohottie

Like the sands in an hourglass eh



Yup, this happens every recruiting season with Chapo……

What part of Developmental Program doesn’t he get???
Oh wait….

Ah, good times again on the other recruiting thread, happening all over again and again and again :rofl:

And Chapo keeps flipping and flopping round and round in circles :rofl:

[mtoutfitter]

Bravo Bruin....Bravo. That's an all star montage!

[totoinfl]

I was trying to put music to it in my head…


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[MyOhMy]

I was trying to put music to it in my head…


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Like from Benny Hill?

[Hammerhead]

You can't grade a recruiting class before they even take the field. It's the same with the NFL draft where you never know how teams really did until a year or two later.