GDT: NDSU vs. Southern Illinois

[b15on]

#4 North Dakota State Bison (7-2, 5-1 MVFC) vs. Southern Illinois Salukis (5-4, 4-2 MVFC)
Saturday, November 12, 2022 · 1 p.m. · Saluki Stadium (15,000) · Carbondale, Ill.

TV: The statewide ABC network of WDAY (Fargo), WDAZ (Grand Forks), KBMY (Bismarck/Dickinson) and KMCY (Minot/Williston) will have live coverage beginning at 1 p.m. with Dom Izzo (play-by-play), Kyle Emanuel (analyst) and Logan Campbell (sideline). The Southern Illinois broadcast will be available to ESPN+ subscribers on ESPN.com and the ESPN app.
RADIO: Statewide coverage begins at 12 p.m. on the Pioneer Seeds Bison Radio Network including Bison 1660 and 107.9 The Fox in Fargo with Rob Hipp (play-by-play), Phil Hansen (analyst) and James Hendricks (sideline). The network broadcast includes 1-hour pregame and 30-minute postgame shows. Streaming is available on GoBison.com/allaccess and the NDSU Athletics mobile app.

Game Weather: Cloudy skies early will become partly cloudy later in the day. High near 40F. Winds NW at 10 to 20 mph.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH_8uLIDnis

Game Previews
NDSU Game Preview Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2eJgvlYcj4)
NDSU Game Preview Notes (https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/gobison.sidearmsports.com/documents/2022/11/7/NDSU_Football_Notes_20221107.pdf)
Southern Illinois Game Preview Notes (“https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/gobison.sidearmsports.com/documents/2022/11/9/SIU_FB_Notes_20221109.pdf")
Missouri Valley Weekly Notebook (https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/gobison.sidearmsports.com/documents/2022/11/10/MVFC_Weekly_Notebook_20221110.pdf)

The Fargo Forum
Bison Game Day: The Greatest Team to Not Play (https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/bison-game-day-the-greatest-team-to-not-play)
Game Day notebook: Bison, Eubanks face challenge against high-powered Southern Illinois passing game (https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/game-day-notebook-bison-eubanks-face-challenge-against-high-powered-southern-illinois-passing-game)
McFeely: Five things to watch in the Bison-Southern Illinois game (https://www.inforum.com/mcfeely-five-things-to-watch-in-the-bison-southern-illinois-game-1)

The Analyst FCS/HERO Sports
FCS Football Preview and Predictions: Week 11 Games of the Week (https://theanalyst.com/na/2022/11/fcs-football-preview-and-predictions-week-11-games-of-the-week/)
FCS Week 11 Predictions: Richmond-Delaware, Samford-Chattanooga + More (https://herosports.com/fcs-football-week-11-predictions-samford-chattanooga-bzbz/)
FCS Week 11 Viewing Guide (https://herosports.com/fcs-football-2022-week-11-schedule-bzbz/)

The Southern Illinoisan
SIU Football | NDSU not invincible, but still tough (https://thesouthern.com/sports/siu-football-ndsu-not-invincible-but-still-tough/article_533f6c22-2eaa-5fda-ab6b-56f08e32d944.html#tracking-source=mp-sports)
SIU Football | 3 Things to Watch: SIU to play NDSU at-home Saturday

[Son of a Bison]

Bison 44. Salukis 24

[Bison03]

Lets get the late season momentum going. Avenging the streak ending spring ‘21 loss is a factor. Run the ball like last week and dominate!!

Bison: 31
Ugly Dogs: 17

[EC8CH]

Gonna be optimal operating temperature for Bison football. Let's gooooooo

[bruinbison]

Am looking forward to watching the SIU WR’s against the Bison DB’s!
Strength vs Strength
Can the Bison generate a pass rush, while at the same time containing QB Nic Baker? Or does Baker break the pocket for drive sustaining 1st downs?

How much of a factor is the wind???

GoBizon!!!

[bruinbison]

Forum articles for today

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/bison-game-day-the-greatest-team-to-not-play

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/king-of-the-road-bison-rb-williams-has-been-most-productive-this-fall-when-team-leaves-fargo

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/game-day-notebook-bison-eubanks-face-challenge-against-high-powered-southern-illinois-passing-game

https://www.inforum.com/mcfeely-five-things-to-watch-in-the-bison-southern-illinois-game-1

[bruinbison]

Any Bison Fan Veterans going to the game?

Or anyone who has not bought a ticket yet?

https://twitter.com/SIU_Football/status/1590738849839296512?s=20&t=XtGavcwhFVLz_KbQO_Ia6Q



In recognition of Veterans Day, we're offering $10 sideline tickets to Saturday's Military Appreciation Day game! Enter the Promo Code "NDSU". (Veterans/active duty get in FREE with military ID.)

BUY $10 TIX >> http://siusalukis.com/promo



https://siusalukis.com/sports/2020/6/8/ticket-central.aspx

[El_Chapo]

NDSU coaches should play the last 2 minutes of the Covid Game AT SIU
they celebrated like they won the Super Bowl.

I don't think we've see this ndsu squad play with an Edge this year.. its TIME

[1st&TennBison]

Gonna be optimal operating temperature for Bison football. Let's gooooooo

70 degrees and no wind, sounds good to me!

[THEsocalledfan]

So, I'm laying in bed not wanting to get up....then I remember, it is Bison Gameday! Now breakfast is eaten, coffee is poured, and betting lines being analyzed.

It's hard to understate just how much I love Saturdays in the Fall!

[Kevin]

Bison win this by at least 1.

[NDSU92]

Wind not going to affect this one. Our secondary needs to be on point.

Rushing offense needs to grind clock and wear them out. Keep our D off the field.

[IndyBison]

Curious to see Romeir Elliott for SIU. He's their leading rusher although not huge numbers (476 yards 5.2 avg). He was a teammate of Tutsie. He had over 3k yards his senior year. He's only 5'6" but fast and strong. His senior year he played with David Bell, who was Gatorade Player of the Year, was an All-American receiver for Purdue last year, and drafted by the Browns. Most years either of them would have won Mr. Football but they probably split votes in the Indy area. The winner was a small school kid who played both QB and LB. Lots of angst by those who felt Elliott or West should have won because they play much tougher competition. That small school kid was Jack Kiser, a starting LB for Notre Dame and their leading tackler today at Navy.

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[EC8CH]

Wind not going to affect this one. Our secondary needs to be on point.

Rushing offense needs to grind clock and wear them out. Keep our D off the field.

Tutsie will be looking for blood. He'll have the secondary ready for war.

[Kevin]

Mvfc refs bro. MASSIVE hold on that first down right in front of the guy.

[MOTBison]

Mvfc refs bro. MASSIVE hold on that first down right in front of the guy.

Yeah, that was obvious and could have been a sack

[Kevin]

Dumb shit momentum killing penalties already.

[Kevin]

Yeah, that was obvious and could have been a sack

Can’t wait for Indy to be like “ackshually it’s not holding if you only use two fingers inside the collar.”

[Kevin]

Great series for TR.

[EC8CH]

Great series for TR.

Yes it was.

[1st&TennBison]

Can’t wait for Indy to be like “ackshually it’s not holding if you only use two fingers inside the collar.”

It's three dammit, get it right:pan:

[Kevin]

Yes it was.

Notice that’s often the case early? It’s like once the scripted plays stop the wheels fall off?

Who scripts the plays bro?

[Kevin]

Per dom on Twitter no gonnella today.

Hmmmmmmmm

[El_Chapo]

let's go defense!!

[EC8CH]

Zenner punt.

[El_Chapo]

let's go defense!!

called it!!

4 yard punt. haha

[Kevin]

Zenner punt.

Beat me to it bro.


P.S. it’s me bro. I script the plays.

[Kevin]

called it!!

4 yard punt. haha

You “called” it alright bro. A great football mind.

[El_Chapo]

cammmmmmm. wtf. cmon

that's a touchdown. can't miss those bro

[CAS4127]

Mvfc refs bro. MASSIVE hold on that first down right in front of the guy.

RT 54 has held almost every play.

[NDSU92]

Great quarter of Bison football against a good football team. This is what we've been looking for.

Great playcalling and outstanding tackling against some big backs. Love it

[El_Chapo]

Hunter 1st down

[El_Chapo]

2 and 1. YOU CANT TAKE A SACK.

stupid play call & worse qb decision

[Kevin]

Just run the ball bro.

[EC8CH]

Christ Miller.

[El_Chapo]

omg cam. ANOTHER BAD throw! 2 guys wide open!!

ps. is izzo voice ahead of the play on espn+ ?

[Kevin]

Wday audio still out of sync by a half second.

[EC8CH]

omg cam. ANOTHER BAD throw! 2 guys wide open!!

ps. is izzo voice ahead of the play on espn+ ?

Yes. Slightly annoying.

[PlainsBison]

Anyone notice that the sound comes in about a couple of seconds before what you see on screen?

[El_Chapo]

man that last drive SUCKED!!! you are demoralizing them. it's 2 and 1 then we punt.
Arghhhhhh

[tjbison]

The tackling is atrocious again

[El_Chapo]

missed sack by NDSU. (#54 pulled our guy off of their QB)

POOP

[El_Chapo]

Interception Weber!!!

[Gully]

Seems like there could be offensive holding called several times on SIU

[EC8CH]

Big D Web.

[1979 Bison]

Yes. Slightly annoying.

This is getting MORE than annoying! We all had hopes that WDAY would improve upon KVLY’s production performance…but I feel they have regressed! Seems like every game they have a problem with either sync, or a bad mike, or white balance issues with cameras, etc. i don’t enjoy hearing the excited call by Dom before you see an outcome happen!

[NDSU92]

RT holds every single play as has been mentioned

Love how when Weber gets a pick the bench just surrounds him and holds him so he can't get an unsportsmanlike conduct

[El_Chapo]

Peyton!! 11 yard run

[EC8CH]

Those calves need first downs.

[El_Chapo]

dam Cole gives to hunter...but he had a TD if he kept that

[tjbison]

Apparently SIU D adjusted, wonder if TR can?

[EC8CH]

JFC! Tackled him before the throw.

[El_Chapo]

omg. LADY REF pulls on her flag.. probably can't get it out. mother f....

3

[Kevin]

Miller is horrible bro.

[NDSU92]

How the fuck is that not pass interference lol

[EC8CH]

How the fuck is that not pass interference lol

No clue. Fucking joke.

[BisManBison]

Ok Indy, what did the see on that pass play and decided not to the flow the flag on an obvious PI?

[1st&TennBison]

Defense is doing its job, offense not so much.

[EC8CH]

Defense is doing its job, offense not so much.

Refs not earning their paychecks either.

[NDSU92]

Ok Indy, what did the see on that pass play and decided not to the flow the flag on an obvious PI?

It looked like they grabbed for their flag and decided not to throw it - I would assume the thought was that it was uncatchable? Pretty ridiculous considering the dback had Mathis' other arm pulled and he was trying to make the catch with the other hand.

[NDSU92]

Defense is doing its job, offense not so much.

Meh besides a complete whiff by TaMerik on a blitz pickup and a horrible no call on PI we could be looking at close to 21-0 right now.

[El_Chapo]

ANOTHER SIU HOLD. LT.. no call

[El_Chapo]

How the fuck is that not pass interference lol

SHE couldn't get the flag out

[1st&TennBison]

Isn't that his second offsides??

[Big Bird]

We jump offsides waaaaay too often

[BisManBison]

At what point do coaches just put Waege on the bench?

[El_Chapo]

SACK. Shaka & Luke

[El_Chapo]

3:57 left 3 timeouts ball on own 5

gotta score here.

[Cormorant Bison]

ANOTHER SIU HOLD. LT.. no call54 holds on EVERY play!!

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[EC8CH]

Kev, quick.... Get TR some plays.

[Kevin]

Kev, quick.... Get TR some plays.

I can’t bro. And we all know he’s going to run an end around to hart too.

[El_Chapo]

wtf roehl...

[El_Chapo]

omg LUCKY CAM!! woo hoo.

ok. NOW push the ball roehl!!

[El_Chapo]

cmon Mason Miller... his knee got caught under him...

[Kevin]

That’s not good bros.

[Schwarz04]

omg LUCKY CAM!! woo hoo.

ok. NOW push the ball roehl!!

So lucky…..

[tjbison]

Some kick ass camera work on that pass.....

[El_Chapo]

Carted off. shit

[EC8CH]

Fuckity fuck. Worst play ever.

[El_Chapo]

Fuckity fuck. Worst play ever.

stupid play call (pass action fake by the end zone?)
(almost a safety)
(TE steps out of bounda)
(Mason Miller ACL)
(NDSU has to punt)

[EC8CH]

Bullshit. No NDSU players thouched that punt .

How do they not review that?

[El_Chapo]

no review?? hahaha. clown show

[El_Chapo]

Baker parts the RED SEA.. wtf

[Big Bird]

This team and staff are so ordinary. Yeah, they'll probably win today, but man, this team...

[Schwarz04]

NDSU is a clown show as well.

[El_Chapo]

Leupke back to lockerroom. fudge

[EC8CH]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[Kevin]

Fire the time management coach bro.

[El_Chapo]

This team and staff are so ordinary. Yeah, they'll probably win today, but man, this team...

Tyler Roehl f'ed this all up when it was 2nd and 1 up 7-0... then 2 stupid play calls

[Schwarz04]

Tyler Roehl f'ed this all up when it was 2nd and 1 up 7-0... then 2 stupid play calls

If your entire game is fucked up by one drive, then you aren’t that great.

[EC8CH]

Pffffft. Stupid dog oc.

[Big Bird]

Wow, and people think Roehl is a terrible play caller. Just look at that 3rd down call

[EC8CH]

Entz ignores softball question, goes straight to offense sucking. Love it!

[1st&TennBison]

"You got a couple injuries, who do you expect to step up"??? Is that a joke question??

[Kevin]

Jmu girl is basic.

[Kevin]

Jmu girl is basic.

“7 to zero.”

[slips]

Our Oline is not getting the job done plain and simple. Need to fire those hogs up at halftime and stick the ball down their throat. I usually don't harp on play calling but my goodness it has been absolutly pathetic so far. Cam hitting wide open receivers wouldn't hurt at all either.

[Kevin]

If hunters out I want Williams to get 90% of carries

[GreenfieldBison]

Jmu girl is basic.

when is she supposed to graduate?

[GreenfieldBison]

Our Oline is not getting the job done plain and simple. Need to fire those hogs up at halftime and stick the ball down their throat. I usually don't harp on play calling but my goodness it has been absolutly pathetic so far. Cam hitting wide open receivers wouldn't hurt at all either.

I can’t throw a ball more than about five yards these days but I just don’t get how you can throw a ball so high that a 6’6” wr can’t go up and get it. Or the DPI call…

[tony]

Didn't like the call that much, but that was a terrible decision on that 2nd 1 to take a sack (but it's one that every QB makes occasionally.) One drive killed.
Make a nice pass on third down and #0 get eliminated from the play in the most obvious PI you'll ever see. No call. That's two drives killed.

We're not going to see that many drives if the D doesn't start forcing some 3 and outs.
The offense needs to ram the freaking ball right into the end zone and take the refs out of the game, and then roll out if you're going to pass on 2nd and 1.

[1st&TennBison]

Only 3 games this year that we have won the TOP, that is bad.

[El_Chapo]

Didn't like the call that much, but that was a terrible decision on that 2nd 1 to take a sack (but it's one that every QB makes occasionally.) One drive killed.
Make a nice pass on third down and #0 get eliminated from the play in the most obvious PI you'll ever see. No call. That's two drives killed.

We're not going to see that many drives if the D doesn't start forcing some 3 and outs.
The offense needs to ram the freaking ball right into the end zone and take the refs out of the game, and then roll out if you're going to pass on 2nd and 1.

AGREE TONY!! or a screen pass or hit a TE in the flat.

why is this halftime so long ?

[1st&TennBison]

ISU (red) is up 7-0 over SDSU

[Bison Bridge Guy]

ISU (red) is up 7-0 over SDSU

On a blocked punt for TD. ISU playing good defense so far.

[El_Chapo]

mvfc so pud. 2800 fans there?

[El_Chapo]

WHY ARE WE FAIR CATCHING KICKOFFS?

holy pussy coaches batman

[El_Chapo]

CAM. 0 WAS WIDE OPEN OVER MIDDLE.

does he not look?

[El_Chapo]

When did ndsu become pussies?
Go for it

[EC8CH]

3 and out. Fire this offense

[Kevin]

Kobe should not be a first down option.

[El_Chapo]

oh wow. we gained 19 yards. what's the difference.

WE NEED A SPARK!!!

[NDSU18]

I don’t understand the refusal week after week to work the middle of the field in the passing game.

[Schwarz04]

I’m confident that I could punt that far.

[Kevin]

We’re going to lose. Same creeping death feeling I had with az and little brother.

[HerdBot]

They are crashing the middle just like Illinois State did

[Big Bird]

The tackling is still bad

[Kevin]

Does this team not run tackling drills

[El_Chapo]

omg TACKLE!!!! had the guy in backfield

[NDSU92]

Do they not call blindside blocks anymore? Obvious block in the back…

These refs are fucking terrible

[El_Chapo]

Travis Beck Joe Mays with their heads hanging low watching this

[Kevin]

Travis Beck Joe Mays with their heads hanging low watching this

You can see that from the bushes?

[El_Chapo]

QB over the line?? not even a review??

[Kevin]

Their oline is literally tackling people.

[Kevin]

Creeping. Death.

[Big Bird]

Not calling for a dirty hit, but they need to absolutely lay Baker out on these runs and pump fakes.

[tjbison]

Refs are complete horseshit

[NDSUBowler]

I rewinded the play. Qb was a solid yard over the Line of Scrimmage.

Between that and no review on the punt fumble I am legit fuming.

[slips]

Can't give up 3rd and 14...just can't happen!

[Schwarz04]

So siu is now doubled us on total yards and TOP. We’re basically done.

[EC8CH]

Can't give up 3rd and 14...just can't happen!

Hard to stop when their QB can throw past the LOS and the refs are clueless.

[El_Chapo]

hey coaches. wanna go for it on 4th and inches now?

if you act like a pussy your team will.play like pussies

coach bohl would never let this happen

[El_Chapo]

i rewinded the play. Qb was a solid yard over the line of scrimmage.

Between that and no review on the punt fumble i am legit fuming.

yup!°.....

OUR COACHES DIDNT EVEN ASK FOR A REVIEW???

[SDbison]

Players and coaches on this Bison team have no balls!

[THEsocalledfan]

Throw the damn ball.

[HerdBot]

Cmon offense if you can't put together a long drive, our defense is gassed

[BisManBison]

Players and coaches on this Bison team have no balls!

Or more importantly brains.

[El_Chapo]

omg. last time you fair catch SO NOW YOUR RETURN GUYS ARE ALL MESSED UP IN THE HEAD.

ONCE AGAIN. COACHING!!!!! THIS IS ALL ON YOU

[NDSUBowler]

Chapo you wanted a return over fair catch right?

[Schwarz04]

Looks like one team out there gives a shit, then there’s NDSU.

[Kevin]

This nodak commercial is pure cringe.

[1st&TennBison]

Only 3 games this year that we have won the TOP, that is bad.

BUMP:pan:......

[sage]

They look like sh*t. I just haven't seen them play a dominate game yet this year maybe once for just one half of a game.

[El_Chapo]

Chapo you wanted a return over fair catch right?

yup! ball on the 50!!

[slips]

Textbook targeting right there!

[HoopsBison]

Thats a clear targeting call...

[NDSUstudent]

If this isn't targeting, not sure what is.

[HoopsBison]

Lets see what you got Roehl.

[EC8CH]

yup! ball on the 50!!

Chapo reverse dunk achieved.

[El_Chapo]

Follow the hole tamerik. Wtf

[El_Chapo]

best play of the game for cam. hits TE for 1st down

[1st&TennBison]

Jesus FOCKING jesus

[El_Chapo]

Do not punt!!

[tjbison]

This team ain't winning no playoff games

[steelbison]

Anyone else getting tired of watching this poorly coached team. Playing down to this crappy SIU team is embarrassing.


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[BisManBison]

We come out in I formation first time today? And magically good things happen.

[El_Chapo]

Push that pile!!!

[El_Chapo]

Run Cole 4 times here. F it

[Big Bird]

This team ain't winning no playoff games

The FCS is even worse than normal this year. If they don't win a playoff game, woof

[NDSUBowler]

yup! ball on the 50!!

Haha egg on my face!

[1st&TennBison]

I have been a Miller fan all season, but right now I say put/keep Cole P in

[BisManBison]

Anyone else getting tired of watching this poorly coached team. Playing down to this crappy SIU team is embarrassing.

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Getting???? Ready for a complete change. If the BB team is any indication though, we are going to suffer until big donors start with Matt Larsen’s head.

[EC8CH]

I have been a Miller fan all season, but right now I say put/keep Cole P in

Yeeees yeeeeees.

[Bison03]

Getting???? Ready for a complete change. If the BB team is any indication though, we are going to suffer until big donors start with Matt Larsen’s head.
I understand the frustration, but this might the dumbest post I have seen! Ha!

[1st&TennBison]

This team ain't winning no playoff games

If they let me fly the other teams plane to Fargo we will.

[El_Chapo]

TD Cam run.

14-10

[HoopsBison]

Code green needs to show up here in 4th and get off the field, good long drive by the offense.

[steelbison]

I understand the frustration, but this might the dumbest post I have seen! Ha!

Says the Entz ass kisser. And Richman as well. I will say this you are consistent.


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[El_Chapo]

Code green needs to show up here in 4th and get off the field, good long drive by the offense.

exactly hoops. they will go for it on 4th anywhere near the 50 and beyond.
must stop em early and force punt

Blitz a CB or Safety 1 time!!!

[1st&TennBison]

Code green needs to show up here in 4th and get off the field, good long drive by the offense.

They better because SIU is in 4 down mode the rest of the game.

[DAS BISON]

Anyone else getting tired of watching this poorly coached team. Playing down to this crappy SIU team is embarrassing.


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So so tired of the poor coaching.

[EC8CH]

Tut playing huge. Knew it. He's taking no shit today.

[El_Chapo]

sacccckkkk

[HoopsBison]

Beautifully done defense, lets fkn go!!!!

[Bison03]

The D shows up right when they needed to! Let go!!

[EC8CH]

Now offense needs to pull their shit together and move the ball.

[NDSU92]

Got the ball
Got the wind
Got the momentum

[El_Chapo]

That's Best Bison Defense 3 down stand of the season

[El_Chapo]

on 2nd down a bootleg by QB might go for 25 yards

[NDSUstudent]

Lets run an obvious Payton run....cmon Roehl.

[El_Chapo]

NOOOO. 2nd and 7. NOOOO. not that play tyler!!!

[HoopsBison]

Big play from Cam!

[NDSUstudent]

Cam with some gutty throws.

[EC8CH]

You can pass over the middle, who knew.

[NDSU92]

I love Dom's PxP being like 1.5 seconds before the video

"Lippe!" while the ball's still in Cam's hand

[El_Chapo]

Lipped. nice catch

[Kevin]

Impressive half for cam

[1st&TennBison]

You can pass over the middle, who knew.

When we pass over the middle we open up half the field

[1st&TennBison]

That will be a late hit

[HoopsBison]

Dirty play from #4 there.

[JMB]

WDAY really needs some better spotters for their announcers.

[El_Chapo]

Why snap the ball w 13 secs left in play call..

Coaching!!!

[NDSUstudent]

Dirty play from #4 there.

Double dirty plays.

[HoopsBison]

Rams moving ppl this drive.

[EC8CH]

Entire game turned on Chapos call to run back the return. Everyone should thank him.

[Kevin]

Loving the return of the i formation.

[Bison03]

Now that was a Bison drive.

[1st&TennBison]

Why snap the ball w 13 secs left in play call..

Coaching!!!

Defense was shifting MLB spot was open

[El_Chapo]

Entire game turned on Chapos call to run back the return. Everyone should thank him.

need my Venmo info??

[steelbison]

Double dirty plays.

For sure. You can’t lift and pile drive a player anymore.


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[EC8CH]

need my Venmo info??

@ShortGuysNeedLuv2

[mtoutfitter]

Defense was shifting MLB spot was open

Yes but that doesn't fit his narrative!

[runtheoption]

The schizophrenic nature of this GDT is impressive.

It's like watching 2 drunk guys sitting around a fire get pissed at each other, punch each other for about a minute, then laugh and have another beer.

[El_Chapo]

ahhhh NDSU D COACH?

YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT NICKEL IN... haha

[El_Chapo]

Defense was shifting MLB spot was open

I just remember Brock/Carson not snapping a ball til 1 second when we had any sort of lead

[Kevin]

I just remember Brock/Carson not snapping a ball til 1 second when we had any sort of lead

U are a great football mind.

[EC8CH]

U are a great football mind.

Made the biggest call of the day. Just sayin'

[El_Chapo]

Sackkkkkk!!!!

[El_Chapo]

let's see a DBACK with a pick here

[Kevin]

lol at the sideways first down line. Wday channeling their inner kvly.

[Bison03]

The schizophrenic nature of this GDT is impressive.

It's like watching 2 drunk guys sitting around a fire get pissed at each other, punch each other for about a minute, then laugh and have another beer.
Perfect description!!

[1st&TennBison]

I just remember Brock/Carson not snapping a ball til 1 second when we had any sort of lead

With a better shot at going up two scores I will give up 13 seconds

[El_Chapo]

lol prevent d.

[El_Chapo]

call a TO. 2pt stop please. thank u

[Big Bird]

That was an awful drive

[steelbison]

Nice prevent defense Entz. 4 and 22.


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[El_Chapo]

That was an awful drive

Ole defense

[Portlandbison]

Jones is a liability in coverage. Getting exposed this half

[Kevin]

Prevent D only prevents winning.

[Kevin]

That ball did not go 10 yards. No flag.

[El_Chapo]

No one should be happy with this

31-10 shouldve been the score

pathetic to be honest. But they pulled it out

[Bison4peat]

Good win on the road.

[sage]

A win but I don't see them as a national championship team. To many areas of the game there is deficiencies. They may find their way before playoffs but up till now they haven't. Not sure they can be better this year than what I've seen. It is just as honest review that I have seen this year so far.

[IndyBison]

That ball did not go 10 yards. No flag.Ok rule expert. What is the foul? Rule reference?

I only saw part of the game but read through much of the thread. Interesting how the horrible officiating stopped when the Bison started playing better. Usually how these go. Comments like Kevin's reinforce fans don't know the rules. There is no foul for a free kick that doesn't go 10 yards. Even if the kicking team touches that kick before it goes 10 yards it's not a foul. If it's still airborne (or a pop up kick) and there is a receiving team player in position to catch it then you could have KCI. But the touching would be illegal touching if done before the receiving team touches the ball. The receiving team them has the option to take the ball at the spot of illegal touching assuming they don't commit a foul after that.

Nice win Bison. I mostly only saw the last 2 Bison drives du they looked awesome today.

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[GreenfieldBison]

Ok rule expert. What is the foul? Rule reference?

I only saw part of the game but read through much of the thread. Interesting how the horrible officiating stopped when the Bison started playing better. Usually how these go. Comments like Kevin's reinforce fans don't know the rules. There is no foul for a free kick that doesn't go 10 yards. Even if the kicking team touches that kick before it goes 10 yards it's not a foul. If it's still airborne (or a pop up kick) and there is a receiving team player in position to catch it then you could have KCI. But the touching would be illegal touching if done before the receiving team touches the ball. The receiving team them has the option to take the ball at the spot of illegal touching assuming they don't commit a foul after that.

Nice win Bison. I mostly only saw the last 2 Bison drives du they looked awesome today.

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They were a ways short of awesome but they collected a win on the road

Next!

[Kevin]

Ok rule expert. What is the foul? Rule reference?

I only saw part of the game but read through much of the thread. Interesting how the horrible officiating stopped when the Bison started playing better. Usually how these go. Comments like Kevin's reinforce fans don't know the rules. There is no foul for a free kick that doesn't go 10 yards. Even if the kicking team touches that kick before it goes 10 yards it's not a foul. If it's still airborne (or a pop up kick) and there is a receiving team player in position to catch it then you could have KCI. But the touching would be illegal touching if done before the receiving team touches the ball. The receiving team them has the option to take the ball at the spot of illegal touching assuming they don't commit a foul after that.

Nice win Bison. I mostly only saw the last 2 Bison drives du they looked awesome today.

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Lol I knew you’d take that bait.

[EC8CH]

Lol I knew you’d take that bait.

Felt like a setup

[Kevin]

Felt like a setup

I was expecting more of a book response though so that’s kind of disappointing.

[NDSU92]

Ok rule expert. What is the foul? Rule reference?

I only saw part of the game but read through much of the thread. Interesting how the horrible officiating stopped when the Bison started playing better. Usually how these go. Comments like Kevin's reinforce fans don't know the rules. There is no foul for a free kick that doesn't go 10 yards. Even if the kicking team touches that kick before it goes 10 yards it's not a foul. If it's still airborne (or a pop up kick) and there is a receiving team player in position to catch it then you could have KCI. But the touching would be illegal touching if done before the receiving team touches the ball. The receiving team them has the option to take the ball at the spot of illegal touching assuming they don't commit a foul after that.

Nice win Bison. I mostly only saw the last 2 Bison drives du they looked awesome today.

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Indy I'd love to get your feedback on the no-call PI @ 8:30 in the 2nd quarter and the no-illegal blindside block/block in the back call @ 10:00 in the 3rd.

Going to guess you'll say they're judgement calls. But I think they were bad no-calls, maybe even terrible no-calls, but I'll defer to your thoughts. Both were huge had big ramifications because it took our offended player out of the play.

[IndyBison]

Indy I'd love to get your feedback on the no-call PI @ 8:30 in the 2nd quarter and the no-illegal blindside block/block in the back call @ 10:00 in the 3rd.

Going to guess you'll say they're judgement calls. But I think they were bad no-calls, maybe even terrible no-calls, but I'll defer to your thoughts. Both were huge had big ramifications because it took our offended player out of the play.I'll see if I can find them. Both of those fouls are always judgement calls. Some are more obvious than others. Thanks for the time of game so I can find them easier.

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[NDSU92]

I'll see if I can find them. Both of those fouls are always judgement calls. Some are more obvious than others. Thanks for the time of game so I can find them easier.

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Sorry for abusing your kindness and assuming you'd go out of your way to look at them for me :)

I've now emotionally cooled down enough that if I don't like your response I won't be too upset with you. Joking aside, if the teams were flipped my reaction on both would've been "wow we really got away with one there" - usually how I try to remove some of my emotional bias when being upset with a call.

[IndyBison]

On the DPI there are probably two categories that could fall into. The first is arm grab and the second is early contact not playing the ball. Both involve timing. On the live feed the contact into the legs may have been timed right so that may not apply. The arm bar is clearly before the ball arrives. If she passed because it was uncatchable she would have signaled such. We don't see if she does that. Uncatchable is rarely called because these guys are freak athletes. I don't think they would release uncatchable here.

The other part to consider here is angles. The covering officials on this play are the H and S on the sideline and the B deep in the middle. In this situation it's possible they were all shielded fun that grab. If only one arm goes up on a pass like this they may assume the other one is grabbed by that can be risky. The only angle the crew doesn't have on this is the one the camera has. We are taught to not reach for your flag unless you are going to throw it exactly for this reason. Coaches see it and you now have legitimate questions to answer. On plays like this is best to play it again in your brain to process what you saw. That's why the flag often comes a little "late." From a timing standpoint it's hard for the S to have good depth on timing on a play like this because she's straightlined. The H and B have good angles for timing.

Since none of these 3 can see the arm grab they were probably more focused on the contact into the legs and that was much closer to the timing of the ball going over the receiver and too bang bang to flag. The grader would have these video angles and felt the arm grab was a foul or the lower contact was early they likely give a downgrade to all 3. And the S probably gets a mechanics downgrade for the grab but no pull.

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[NDSU92]

On the DPI there are probably two categories that could fall into. The first is arm grab and the second is early contact not playing the ball. Both involve timing. On the live feed the contact into the legs may have been timed right so that may not apply. The arm bar is clearly before the ball arrives. If she passed because it was uncatchable she would have signaled such. We don't see if she does that. Uncatchable is rarely called because these guys are freak athletes. I don't think they would release uncatchable here.

The other part to consider here is angles. The covering officials on this play are the H and S on the sideline and the B deep in the middle. In this situation it's possible they were all shielded fun that grab. If only one arm goes up on a pass like this they may assume the other one is grabbed by that can be risky. The only angle the crew doesn't have on this is the one the camera has. We are taught to not reach for your flag unless you are going to throw it exactly for this reason. Coaches see it and you now have legitimate questions to answer. On plays like this is best to play it again in your brain to process what you saw. That's why the flag often comes a little "late." From a timing standpoint it's hard for the S to have good depth on timing on a play like this because she's straightlined. The H and B have good angles for timing.

Since none of these 3 can see the arm grab they were probably more focused on the contact into the legs and that was much closer to the timing of the ball going over the receiver and too bang bang to flag. The grader would have these video angles and felt the arm grab was a foul or the lower contact was early they likely give a downgrade to all 3. And the S probably gets a mechanics downgrade for the grab but no pull.

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Much appreciated Indy. Great insight as always.

[IndyBison]

Was the BSB by #2 on a second and 2 at about the +40? A block in the back needs to be clearly in the back and the blocker is usually in chase mode. This is clearly a side block so blind side block is your only option. A key part of BSB is forcible contact. If the blocker leads with their hands it's generally not forcible. If both players are gong the same direction or the blocker is stationary or moving slowly before contact it's usually more of a pick than forcible contract.

This block would be key for the H. There may be blocks further downfield the B and S are watching but they may see this as well. This block clearly meets all criteria of a BSB except the forcible oarpart. If you feel this is a forcible block than you would flag it. Did he blow him up or just block him? You make the call.

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[NDSU92]

Was the BSB by #2 on a second and 2 at about the +40? A block in the back needs to be clearly in the back and the blocker is usually in chase mode. This is clearly a side block so blind side block is your only option. A key part of BSB is forcible contact. If the blocker leads with their hands it's generally not forcible. If both players are gong the same direction or the blocker is stationary or moving slowly before contact it's usually more of a pick than forcible contract.

This block would be key for the H. There may be blocks further downfield the B and S are watching but they may see this as well. This block clearly meets all criteria of a BSB except the forcible oarpart. If you feel this is a forcible block than you would flag it. Did he blow him up or just block him? You make the call.

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Yeah that’s the play, it was the block on Talbert. The offensive player teed it up and put his shoulder into the back/shoulder of Talbert. Essentially set the edge with a block from behind, knocking Talbert off balance and pushing him forward and out of the play. No hands appeared to be used, just a shoulder shimmy.

I’ve seen almost identical called against the Bison this year. Judgement call like you said and I’m not completely unbiased on this one. Thanks again Indy!

[IndyBison]

Yeah that’s the play, it was the block on Talbert. The offensive player teed it up and put his shoulder into the back/shoulder of Talbert. Essentially set the edge with a block from behind, knocking Talbert off balance and pushing him forward and out of the play. No hands appeared to be used, just a shoulder shimmy.

I’ve seen almost identical called against the Bison this year. Judgement call like you said and I’m not completely unbiased on this one. Thanks again Indy!The key difference is the forcible nature of the block. This action can definitely be done legally. The issue is players like to blow up people who don't see the hit coming. It doesn't eliminate what is often called a crack back block (that term doesn't appear in the rule book). If you didn't realize the forcible aspect you may think two exact plays are identical. Forcible is not a factor for blocks in the back. It's also not a safety foul like BSB. It's advantage/disadvantage like holding.

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[EC8CH]

The key difference is the forcible nature

If only Kev had a nickel for every times he's heard that.

[southcliffbison]

SHE couldn't get the flag out

It must have been stuck in her snatch.......no other explanation.

[El_Chapo]

It must have been stuck in her snatch.......no other explanation.

what's that.. 3 horrible calls vs us by female refs. can we get an title ix complaint going?,