$586,651,144

[roadwarrior]

The final total raised by the NDSU Foundation!

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

That’s a very impressive amount of money

How much of that will end up going into the endowment?

[El_Chapo]

NEW 42,000 SEAT STADIUM ON CAMPUS. LETS GO
$150 mil. then 4 sponsors $200 mil .

[HerdBot]

NEW 42,000 SEAT STADIUM ON CAMPUS. LETS GO
$150 mil. then 4 sponsors $200 mil .

I don't why but that made me laugh despite the fact I would like a 42k seat on campus stadium

[56BISON73]

NEW 42,000 SEAT STADIUM ON CAMPUS. LETS GO
$150 mil. then 4 sponsors $200 mil .

Go for it. Find those sponsors.

[El_Chapo]

Go for it. Find those sponsors.

Scheels, Gate City, RDO, Sanford

done.

[HerdBot]

How much of that total goes to the endowment fund?

[imabison]

How much of that total goes to the endowment fund?

This is a copy of a tweet.

This morning we gathered on campus to reveal the results from our ‘In Our Hands’ Campaign for North Dakota State University!
The result? $586,651,144 raised for NDSU!
Alumni, donors, and friends of NDSU have truly exceeded all expectations and shattered a $400M goal! And a year ahead of schedule! An amazing morning with University and Foundation leadership, Campaign Co-Chairs and North Dakota Governor and NDSU alumnus Doug Burgum!
Campaign Figures:
�� Endowment grew from $134 million on Dec.
31, 2015, to $457 million on Dec. 31, 2021
�� Campaign total: $586,651,144
�� $238.3 million raised for scholarships
�� $40.7 million raised to support faculty
�� $178 million raised for programs
�� $129.7 million raised for facilities
�� $104.7 million distributed to campus since
the campaign start
�� 15,068 donors made gifts
��4,263 were first-time donors
�� 506 new scholarships
�� 22 new named faculty positions
�� NDSU Team Makers raised $41.9 million for
Bison Athletics
A GREAT day to be a Bison! And…the best is yet to come! So grateful to work for such an impactful organization that’s truly making a difference for students, faculty, the community and state of North Dakota!

[NDSU_grad]

Scheels, Gate City, RDO, Sanford

done.
LOL. That might get you to about a million.

[imabison]

El Chapo will just have to dig up his hidden funds for his new stadium!!

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Endowment is $457 million now

Largest in the NDUS? Seems like it must be close to it

[NDSU_grad]

El Chapo will just have to dig up his hidden funds for his new stadium!!
All we have to do is get 42,000 businesses to each pledge $10,000 to buy naming rights for a seat. Boom! $420,000,000 in your pocket. It’s this kind of creative out-of-the-box thinking that’s made me a rising star in the world of high finance.

[Hammersmith]

Endowment is $457 million now

Largest in the NDUS? Seems like it must be close to it

Hard to know for certain until next year's tax statements are in. UND reported $366.1M this last fall. The question I would have is whether the $457M figure that NDSU just reported is the actual current amount "in the bank", or if part of it includes future gifts/pledges. Maybe NDSU's is $300M in the bank right now, with $157M in pledges. No way to know unless they say it flat out or until we see the 2021 tax forms.

[blackdiamond2]

UND endowment is ~ https://undalumni.org/endowment-performance

385.5 million - 2022 impact of 11 million

NDSU endowment if around 457 million.

https://ndsufoundation.com/news/2022/02/in-our-hands-campaign-total-press-release (per press release)
n Our Hands by the numbers:

Endowment grew from $134 million on Dec. 31, 2015, to $457 million on Dec. 31, 2021
Campaign total: $586,651,144
$238.3 million raised for scholarships
$40.7 million raised to support faculty
$178 million raised for programs
$129.7 million raised for facilities
$104.7 million distributed to campus since the campaign start
15,068 donors made gifts, of whom 4,263 were first-time donors
506 new scholarships
22 new named faculty positions
NDSU Team Makers raised $41.9 million for Bison Athletics

[56BISON73]

Scheels, Gate City, RDO, Sanford

done.

Now go get the fucking money. If its so easy even you should be able to do it.

[NDSU1980]

UND endowment is ~ https://undalumni.org/endowment-performance

385.5 million - 2022 impact of 11 million

NDSU endowment if around 457 million.

https://ndsufoundation.com/news/2022/02/in-our-hands-campaign-total-press-release (per press release)
n Our Hands by the numbers:

Endowment grew from $134 million on Dec. 31, 2015, to $457 million on Dec. 31, 2021
Campaign total: $586,651,144
$238.3 million raised for scholarships
$40.7 million raised to support faculty
$178 million raised for programs
$129.7 million raised for facilities
$104.7 million distributed to campus since the campaign start
15,068 donors made gifts, of whom 4,263 were first-time donors
506 new scholarships
22 new named faculty positions
NDSU Team Makers raised $41.9 million for Bison Athletics

I'm sure we're talking two different things here. How did this years figure compare with this from last year. http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?38032-Team-Makers!!!&p=1472877#post1472877

[blackdiamond2]

For 2021 - http://ndsuathleticfund.com/team-makers-raises-5-5-million-for-ndsu-athletics-2/
"FARGO, N.D. – Team Makers, an annual fundraising arm for the NCAA Division I athletics program at North Dakota State University, produced another outstanding year in 2021, contributing $5.5 million to NDSU Athletics for student-athlete scholarships.

Team Makers saw cash donations rise to over $6 million. Trade for goods and services totaled more than $454,000, in addition to more than $1 million in other revenues with the total impact for Bison Athletics in 2021 surpassing $7.5 million dollars from 4,087 members."


For 2020 - http://ndsuathleticfund.com/team-makers-raises-5-5-million-for-ndsu-athletics/
"FARGO, N.D. – Team Makers, an annual fundraising arm for the NCAA Division I athletics program at North Dakota State University, produced another outstanding year in 2020, contributing $5.5 million to NDSU Athletics for student-athlete scholarships.

Team Makers saw cash donations of $5.2 million. Trade for goods and services totaled more than $420,000, in addition to more than $600,000 in other revenues with the total impact for Bison Athletics in 2020 surpassing $6.22 million dollars from 4,214 members"

[Hammersmith]

I'm sure we're talking two different things here. How did this years figure compare with this from last year. http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?38032-Team-Makers!!!&p=1472877#post1472877

You realize that the $41.9M includes the fundraising for the IPF, correct?

[KSBisonFan]

For 2021 - http://ndsuathleticfund.com/team-makers-raises-5-5-million-for-ndsu-athletics-2/
"FARGO, N.D. – Team Makers, an annual fundraising arm for the NCAA Division I athletics program at North Dakota State University, produced another outstanding year in 2021, contributing $5.5 million to NDSU Athletics for student-athlete scholarships.

Team Makers saw cash donations rise to over $6 million. Trade for goods and services totaled more than $454,000, in addition to more than $1 million in other revenues with the total impact for Bison Athletics in 2021 surpassing $7.5 million dollars from 4,087 members."


For 2020 - http://ndsuathleticfund.com/team-makers-raises-5-5-million-for-ndsu-athletics/
"FARGO, N.D. – Team Makers, an annual fundraising arm for the NCAA Division I athletics program at North Dakota State University, produced another outstanding year in 2020, contributing $5.5 million to NDSU Athletics for student-athlete scholarships.

Team Makers saw cash donations of $5.2 million. Trade for goods and services totaled more than $420,000, in addition to more than $600,000 in other revenues with the total impact for Bison Athletics in 2020 surpassing $6.22 million dollars from 4,214 members"

Curious if membership has declined from year to year at any other time during the D1 era?

[NDSU1980]

You realize that the $41.9M includes the fundraising for the IPF, correct?

Thank you, that explains it. How soon we forget.

[southcliffbison]

Curious if membership has declined from year to year at any other time during the D1 era?

127 folks decided not to renew their TM memberships from 2020 to 2021........ not renewing their season tickets (bison fatigue) ???

[tony]

Is it too late to donate $7?

It'd be nice to see that number up to 586,651,151 because that's the product of two prime numbers (11519*50929).

[bisonaudit]

A lot of the endowment growth in those 6 years has to be market returns as opposed to new money. Would be curious to see a breakdown instead of just the headline numbers. Not trying to rain on anyones parade, they ran a very successful campaign and raised a lot of money for the University. It’s all good. So good you don’t need to be fluffing it with easily misunderstood financial metrics.

[tony]

A lot of the endowment growth in those 6 years has to be market returns as opposed to new money. Would be curious to see a breakdown instead of just the headline numbers. Not trying to rain on anyones parade, they ran a very successful campaign and raised a lot of money for the University. It’s all good. So good you don’t need to be fluffing it with easily misunderstood financial metrics.

That's not what the thread is about though. "More than 15,000 people donated nearly $586.7 million."

Source: https://www.inforum.com/news/fargo/ndsu-foundation-campaign-sets-state-fundraising-record-with-586-7-million

[bisonaudit]

That's not what the thread is about though. "More than 15,000 people donated nearly $586.7 million."

https://www.inforum.com/news/fargo/ndsu-foundation-campaign-sets-state-fundraising-record-with-586-7-million

That is Briliant. As I was at pains to reiterate.

[tony]

That is Briliant. As I was at pains to reiterate.

Endowments are NOT an area of expertise for me, but I strongly suspect that almost all the growth in NDSU's endowment was from new donations because these endowments just don't take money in and invest it - they spend quite a bit. And the investments are not in the stock market, they're mostly CDs and bonds.

That said, I don't have "audit" in my user name and am not even close to being a CPA so here's some source material: NDSU_Annual_Financial_Report_FY20.pdf (https://www.ndsu.edu/fileadmin/vpfa/reports/accounting/NDSU_Annual_Financial_Report_FY20.pdf)

BTW, if there's a report similar to this for the North Dakota Legacy Fund, I'd love to see it. I'd like to see how much they lost on foreign currency bets and how much money got invested in sure-fire winners like Kazakstan Goat Futures.

[bisonaudit]

Endowments are NOT an area of expertise for me, but I strongly suspect that almost all the growth in NDSU's endowment was from new donations because these endowments just don't take money in and invest it - they spend quite a bit. And the investments are not in the stock market, they're mostly CDs and bonds.

That said, I don't have "audit" in my user name and am not even close to being a CPA so here's some source material: NDSU_Annual_Financial_Report_FY20.pdf (https://www.ndsu.edu/fileadmin/vpfa/reports/accounting/NDSU_Annual_Financial_Report_FY20.pdf)

BTW, if there's a report similar to this for the North Dakota Legacy Fund, I'd love to see it. I'd like to see how much they lost on foreign currency bets and how much money got invested in sure-fire winners like Kazakstan Goat Futures.


https://www.givetondsu.com/file/governance/NDSU-Foundation-2020-Financial-Statements.pdf

Is the one you want to look at for the NDSU foundation. I’d direct your attention to footnote 4. Mostly not in fixed income. This is entirely appropriate for endowment funds. The investment time horizon is infinite, the risk profile should be more aggressive as long as it’s appropriately diversified because you don’t need very much of the money tomorrow or even 5 years from now. There is a lot of time to recover from losses so you can take some more risk.

The Legacy Fund was way to conservatively invested the last time I looked a few years ago. I think they’ve been trying to fix some of that but also I think they need to be careful with the push for more local investment and monitor their geographic diversity in light of the political realities being imposed on their portfolio decisions.

Legacy Fund audited reports perhaps somewhere here but not immediately clear to me where (which is a problem).
https://www.rio.nd.gov/legacy-fund

[bisonaudit]

https://www.givetondsu.com/file/governance/NDSU-Foundation-2020-Financial-Statements.pdf

Is the one you want to look at for the NDSU foundation. I’d direct your attention to footnote 4. Mostly not in fixed income. This is entirely appropriate for endowment funds. The investment time horizon is infinite, the risk profile should be more aggressive as long as it’s appropriately diversified because you don’t need very much of the money tomorrow or even 5 years from now. There is a lot of time to recover from losses so you can take some more risk.

The Legacy Fund was way to conservatively invested the last time I looked a few years ago. I think they’ve been trying to fix some of that but also I think they need to be careful with the push for more local investment and monitor their geographic diversity in light of the political realities being imposed on their portfolio decisions.

Legacy Fund audited reports perhaps somewhere here but not immediately clear to me where (which is a problem).
https://www.rio.nd.gov/legacy-fund

Here’s a better link for the Legacy Fund financials. https://www.rio.nd.gov/newsletters-reports

Not very friendly for phone reading so I haven’t dug in but they’re there for anyone who’s interested.

[tony]

https://www.givetondsu.com/file/governance/NDSU-Foundation-2020-Financial-Statements.pdf

Is the one you want to look at for the NDSU foundation. I’d direct your attention to footnote 4. Mostly not in fixed income. This is entirely appropriate for endowment funds. The investment time horizon is infinite, the risk profile should be more aggressive because as long as it’s appropriately diversified because you don’t need very much of the money tomorrow or even 5 years from now. There is a lot of time to recover from losses so you can take some more risk.

The Legacy Fund was way to conservatively invested the last time I looked a few years ago. I think they’ve been trying to fix some of that but also I think they need to be careful with the push for more local investment and monitor their geographic diversity in light of the political realities being imposed on their portfolio decisions.

That's a lot more long-term investment than I'd have thought they'd have. Still, it looks like NDSU's endowment fund disbursed over $50 million in the two years covered in the linked document - NDSU doesn't operate like Harvard where the disbursements are not much more than a rounding error on the total balance.

It looks like NDSU's endowment balance increased from $249 million (2019) to $325 million as of Sept. 30, 2021 (source: NDSU fundraising campaign doubles endowment - InForum (https://www.inforum.com/news/fargo/ndsu-fundraising-campaign-doubles-endowment)) to $457 million today. How much of that increase is due to the increase in the market value of investments over and above what the fund disbursed? I have no clue, of course - just a guess (i.e. around $40 million.)

[bisonaudit]

That's a lot more long-term investment than I'd have thought they'd have. Still, I don't think NDSU operates like Harvard - it looks like NDSU's endowment fund disbursed over $50 million in the two years covered in the linked document - NDSU doesn't operate like Harvard where the disbursements are not much more than a rounding error on the total balance.

It looks like NDSU's endowment balance increased from $249 million (2019) to $325 million as of Sept. 30, 2021 (source: NDSU fundraising campaign doubles endowment - InForum (https://www.inforum.com/news/fargo/ndsu-fundraising-campaign-doubles-endowment)) to $457 million today. How much of that do you think is increase in value of investments over and above what the fund disbursed?

I don’t have deep expertise on these fund statements but it looks to me like they made 34 and 37 million on their investments the last two years and sent 18 and 26 to the university. So 27 million would have been reinvested. Which means 49 million in new money added to the endowment.

Put another way, roughly 2/3 of the increase is from new contributions while the other 1/3 is reinvestment of returns.

Edit:
Your numbers and my numbers were on slightly different time frames so here it is from
Footnote 15 pages 30-31. In the two years covered by the financial statements (calendar 2019-2020) the endowment increased from 208 (all numbers in millions) to 273 on 31 in contributions and 55 of investment returns with 21 in distributions. So that’s basically 50/50. Half the growth from new contributions and half from net reinvestment.

[bisonaudit]

Note 3 provides some information on the timing of promises to give which I think people were asking after as well.

[GreenfieldBison]

When I was still in the hedge fund biz both of the funds I worked for managed substantial assets for endowments. One of those founders was a Yale-y and so not surprisingly we managed significant assets for Yale. This is NOT low risk money but it does generally juice returns quite significantly. Typically a responsible manager would allocate <= 15% of assets in a tax advantaged fund to this type of vehicle or similar. As audit says, time horizon is infinite so short term risk is essentially a non-factor.

Edit: when my father passed we endowed an academic scholarship in his name focused on his former department. Principal will grow indefinitely. We continue to add to it annually and it will gain a substantial boost when I permanently discontinue polluting this forum. As long as NDSU exists that fund will continue to benefit students directly.

[bisonaudit]

Apparently some would like you to believe that it’s a disgrace that only 70 something percent of this money is going to academics. Good luck with that argument.

[tony]

Apparently some would like you to believe that it’s a disgrace that only 70 something percent of this money is going to academics. Good luck with that argument.

Joel Heitkamp or Rob Port? Or both?

I'd love to hear their takes on the REA and Hitler-loving hockey donors.

[runtheoption]

Apparently some would like you to believe that it’s a disgrace that only 70 something percent of this money is going to academics. Good luck with that argument.

I just read Port's article. I figured he was way off with his numbers, so I immediately came here to see the truth. Audit and Tony, you should blast him with the facts.

[tony]

I just read Port's article. I figured he was way off with his numbers, so I immediately came here to see the truth. Audit and Tony, you should blast him with the facts.

What would be the point? He's a mendacious fuckwad.

[bisonaudit]

I just read Port's article. I figured he was way off with his numbers, so I immediately came here to see the truth. Audit and Tony, you should blast him with the facts.

There’s actually nothing wrong with his facts. My issues are with his presentation and his “conclusions”. I hesitate to call them that because it seems fairly obvious that the column was reverse engineered to “support” what he already thinks. Not an uncommon occurrence, just especially poorly targeted and executed in this instance, I think.

[runtheoption]

What would be the point? He's a mendacious fuckwad.

Mendacious fuckwad = Port. That's fact #1... keep going.

[runtheoption]

There’s actually nothing wrong with his facts. My issues are with his presentation and his “conclusions”. I hesitate to call them that because it seems fairly obvious that the column was reverse engineered to “support” what he already thinks. Not an uncommon occurrence, just especially poorly targeted and executed in this instance, I think.

Agreed. Cherry picking stats that support his anti-college athletics viewpoint.

[GreenfieldBison]

What would be the point? He's a mendacious fuckwad.

Guessing you have chosen those terms carefully...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/mendacious
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuckwad

[tony]

Agreed. Cherry picking stats that support his anti-college athletics viewpoint.

Rob Port is only anti-athletics when it's NDSU. He has two completely different standards: One for NDSU and one for UND. Joel Heitkamp is exactly the same way.

Example:

An actual athletic department at NDSU: CLOSE IT DOWN.
A nickname for an athletic department at UND: ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.

But, really, isn't Rob Port just anti-public universities? That just adds one more layer of stupidity to his nickname obsession. If a person is, say, anti-Nazi, they don't go after their youth corps swimming team in Bremen branch but ignore the track team at Frankfurt branch. But imagine if that same person went ballistic over the Hitler Youth's track team in Frankfurt changing their logo?

[The_Sicatoka]

Your Provost has awesome timing.
Big announcement about "have money" yesterday and she just put this out (emphasis added):


Dear Colleagues,

Each of the Phase II Budget Reduction Committees will be holding campus discussions to gather input. These sessions will be also offered via Zoom to NDSU faculty and staff. You will need to log in using your NDSU credentials.

The next campus discussion will be:
Friday, February 18, 3:00-4:00 pm, MU Anishinaabe Theatre and via zoom:
Topic: Department/College Mergers
Join Zoom Meeting

The remaining campus discussions will be held on the following dates:
Tuesday, February 22, 2:00-3:00 pm, MU Anishinaabe Theatre and via zoom
Topic: Online/Hybrid Degree Programs
(Zoom Link to Follow)

Thursday, March 3, 2:00-3:00 pm, MU Anishinaabe Theatre and via zoom
Topic: Shared Services
(Zoom Link to Follow)
Thank you,

Margaret

Dr. Margaret Fitzgerald
Provost
North Dakota State University

[bisonaudit]

Your Provost has awesome timing.
Big announcement about "have money" yesterday and she just put this out (emphasis added):

Seems like the answer could be that gifts constitute only 6 percent of NDSUs revenue while 29 percent comes directly from Bismarck and another 27% in tuition and fees they exercise a high degree of control over.

https://www.ndsu.edu/fileadmin/vpfa/reports/accounting/NDSU_Annual_Financial_Report_FY20.pdf

[GCWaters]

Your Provost has awesome timing.
Big announcement about "have money" yesterday and she just put this out (emphasis added):

We've been working on these cuts and committees for months...the money at the foundation has very little impact on the day to day operations of the campus and most of it contractually can't be used for that....

[The_Sicatoka]

Folks, I get what you're saying about funding.

Sending that provost email out Monday and then having your big announcement Tuesday would've allowed the afterglow to linger.

Instead the provost tossed out a Wednesday wet blanket.

[bisonaudit]

Folks, I get what you're saying about funding.

Sending that provost email out Monday and then having your big announcement Tuesday would've allowed the afterglow to linger.

Instead the provost tossed out a Wednesday wet blanket.

I don’t know. I think people can probably understand that it’s simultaneously possible to celebrate a very successful fundraising campaign and at the same time recognize that the money coming out of the new larger endowment (less than 20 million a year) even if it were completely unrestricted doesn’t move the needle a ton for an operation with $400 million in annual expenses. It actually underscores why these fund raising drives are so important. The entire legacy fund wouldn’t be enough to fully endow NDSUs operations today.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Here’s the takeaway - If you compare NDSU’s endowment now ($480M) to what it was just 6 years ago, there are no 'wet blankets' anywhere to be found, except possibly in El Forko Grande ...

[Professorbum]

What would be the point? He's a mendacious fuckwad.

I didn't know Rob Port was still a thing. Having long ago canceled my Forum subscription, he has been completely absent from my radar. I haven't noticed any decline in my quality of life.

[NDSUstudent]

That fat bastard Port will complain about anything, you would think a so called conservative would be supporting private money for athletics since he obviously believes the state should have little or nothing to do with it.

[tjbison]

That fat bastard Port will complain about anything, you would think a so called conservative would be supporting private money for athletics since he obviously believes the state should have little or nothing to do with it.

But I don't think he understands, seriously he seems out of touch. But also he is getting clicks which is what pays his salary

[HerdBot]

Rob Port is only anti-athletics when it's NDSU. He has two completely different standards: One for NDSU and one for UND. Joel Heitkamp is exactly the same way.

Example:

An actual athletic department at NDSU: CLOSE IT DOWN.
A nickname for an athletic department at UND: ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.

But, really, isn't Rob Port just anti-public universities? That just adds one more layer of stupidity to his nickname obsession. If a person is, say, anti-Nazi, they don't go after their youth corps swimming team in Bremen branch but ignore the track team at Frankfurt branch. But imagine if that same person went ballistic over the Hitler Youth's track team in Frankfurt changing their logo?

Rob Port hates all North Dakota college sports teams, including UND. He's an ideologue. Sports aren't important in his mind and detract from the mission of colleges.

[The_Sicatoka]

I don’t know. I think people can probably understand that it’s simultaneously possible ...

You have more faith in people to process and think through than I have in the average person, just reacts to the last news story fed to them.

Now here's where I'll blow up my own prior post: That Provost email went out to NDSU campus (faculty, staff). Average Joe in Fargo, the last news they heard was the big number. Overall, it dampened campus (that already knew, so, remoistened?) but greater FM is more than likely unaffected by the Provost email.

[The_Sicatoka]

Port and McFeely are two sides of the same coin. Both are just rabble-rousing for clicks.

How do I know?
They seem to know exactly which "quarter" to drop into which "juke box" to get the music (clicks) to play.

Port's back to universities and athletics and look how he lit up in this thread.

[GreenfieldBison]

Just read the article that you all were recently referencing. Wow. Does that clown actually get paid to write that garbage? One could easily find better writing in The Spectrum no?

[tony]

Rob Port hates all North Dakota college sports teams, including UND. He's an ideologue. Sports aren't important in his mind and detract from the mission of colleges.

So where are the articles criticizing the REA? There must be a dozen of him arguing for the Fighting Sioux nickname - which, I suppose, if you squinted could be seen as critical of UND, but, really, it's more of him taking a specific side in an internal UND debate more so than him being critical of UND's existence. Like I've posted before, that pro-nickname position is a weird one because on one hand, he is trying to say college athletics should be abolished but, on the other hand, that the nicknames and mascots associated with college athletics are incredibly important.

I'm sure that some posters remember when he came on Bisonville and was 100% pro-UND based on, what clearly was, a complete ignorance of the most basic facts about higher ed in North Dakota. I've not seen anything since then to change my assessment that he has one standard for UND and another for NDSU. In short, his problem with NDSU is that NDSU exists, while his problem with UND is that sometimes they do things that he doesn't agree with on a purely culture war level.

Then again, Port only shows up for me when I search for NDSU on Twitter so maybe he has changed. I would love to ignore him completely.

[The_Sicatoka]

Here's the accounting of y'all's drive:
https://html.scribdassets.com/6cu6bj9hfk9jj98a/images/1-7bdb12e5fb.jpg

What catches my eye is the $146M of pledges (not in hand yet) and $143M of revocable deferred commitments.

That's almost $290M (49%) of money is promised, but not yet delivered, of the $586M.

I'm not a fund-raising guy: Is that a normal ratio?

[imabison]

Here's the accounting of y'all's drive:
https://html.scribdassets.com/6cu6bj9hfk9jj98a/images/1-7bdb12e5fb.jpg

What catches my eye is the $146M of pledges (not in hand yet) and $143M of revocable deferred commitments.

That's almost $290M (49%) of money is promised, but not yet delivered, of the $586M.

I'm not a fund-raising guy: Is that a normal ratio?

The first question about the figures you provided are the % different comparing a varying range of funds???
I don't know, just asking.

[Bison Dan]

So where are the articles criticizing the REA? There must be a dozen of him arguing for the Fighting Sioux nickname - which, I suppose, if you squinted could be seen as critical of UND, but, really, it's more of him taking a specific side in an internal UND debate more so than him being critical of UND's existence. Like I've posted before, that pro-nickname position is a weird one because on one hand, he is trying to say college athletics should be abolished but, on the other hand, that the nicknames and mascots associated with college athletics are incredibly important.

I'm sure that some posters remember when he came on Bisonville and was 100% pro-UND based on, what clearly was, a complete ignorance of the most basic facts about higher ed in North Dakota. I've not seen anything since then to change my assessment that he has one standard for UND and another for NDSU. In short, his problem with NDSU is that NDSU exists, while his problem with UND is that sometimes they do things that he doesn't agree with on a purely culture war level.

Then again, Port only shows up for me when I search for NDSU on Twitter so maybe he has changed. I would love to ignore him completely.

Maybe Port can explain why UND uses 2 million more of its general fund to support athletics than NDSU does?

[Hammersmith]

You realize that the $41.9M includes the fundraising for the IPF, correct?

I retract this comment. The $41.9M does not include the IPF because it's actually six full years of TM donations. That averages to $7M/year, which seems about right.

The athletics department, on the other hand, received $118.4M in donations over the six years. That's where the IPF donations were recorded. And I wouldn't be surprised if the last part of the SHAC fundraising is included as well; maybe the last $5M-$10M? It could also be pretty much all of the naming rights for all the facilities. I assume those are paid to NDSU over many years, so any payments made after 1/1/2016 would be counted, as well as everything left to pay as of 12/31/2021. Oh well, I'm curious, but not that curious. :)

[blackdiamond2]

Would be interesting to know if Port thinks that we should be consolidating a bunch of the smaller state schools? -



Alot of administration positions are duplicated at each location....seems like a lot of dollars that could be saved.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Interesting that NDSU is close to where KSU was in 2014-16, but it looks like they just made a big jump too

https://www.k-state.edu/2025/dashboards/endowment-pool/

As for Port, his bottom line is that he hates NDSU and 'imperial Cass', and everything else just fits in around that (same old tired) narrative. But it’s OK Rob, NDSU is ND and ND is NDSU. Eventually you will rise to this perspective.

[Professorbum]

Did you all notice that Bresciani also reiterated the need for NDSU to get to 18,000 students? He is not incorrect.

[The_Sicatoka]

Would be interesting to know if Port thinks that we should be consolidating a bunch of the smaller state schools? -

Alot of administration positions are duplicated at each location....seems like a lot of dollars that could be saved.

Seems so logical, so it can never happen.

[The_Sicatoka]

Did you all notice that Bresciani also reiterated the need for NDSU to get to 18,000 students? He is not incorrect.

That's going to be quite the challenge in the face of this: https://www.cupahr.org/issue/feature/higher-ed-enrollment-cliff/

[HerdBot]

That's going to be quite the challenge in the face of this: https://www.cupahr.org/issue/feature/higher-ed-enrollment-cliff/

I'm skeptical. They are using the per capita 1K number to make their case and the state added 120K people over the last census. North Dakota had the 2nd highest birthrate in the nation last year but it's still lower than previous years. Also North Dakota is one of the youngest states in the nation, so plenty of fertile women. But Fargo, Moorhead, West Fargo and Horace K- 12 enrollment is booming at all levels and unless their projections are way off, schools are going to be full.

Both NDSU and UND get half their students from Minnesota, which seems to be doing better and growing fast

[NDSU92]

Not to get all crazy and political, but the elites that run the country will never let population go negative or even flatline for a significant amount of time. Gotta keep the number of consumers and workers growing to fill their businesses! Pay parents $2,000 in tax credits to raise $50k per year consumers. Gotta love capitalism.

There will (thankfully, and it's long overdue) be a reckoning in higher education about how much it costs to go to public state schools. Right now, going to an expensive state school just to get an education is like buying a Porsche just to be able to drive to work. Kids are paying about 2% for the actual education in their degree and 98% for all the administrators, luxury dorms, amenities, dining centers, etc. that tricked them into paying ridiculous amounts in the first place. Thankfully, that doesn't yet seem to apply to higher education in the midwest.

[HerdBot]

Not to get all crazy and political, but the elites that run the country will never let population go negative or even flatline for a significant amount of time. Gotta keep the number of consumers and workers growing to fill their businesses! Pay parents $2,000 in tax credits to raise $50k per year consumers. Gotta love capitalism.

There will (thankfully, and it's long overdue) be a reckoning in higher education about how much it costs to go to public state schools. Right now, going to an expensive state school just to get an education is like buying a Porsche just to be able to drive to work. Kids are paying about 2% for the actual education in their degree and 98% for all the administrators, luxury dorms, amenities, dining centers, etc. that tricked them into paying ridiculous amounts in the first place. Thankfully, that doesn't yet seem to apply to higher education in the midwest.

Population will always go up. They tried banning kids in China and people still fuck and have babies. The population growth has slowed but it's still a glowing population

[The_Sicatoka]

Right now, going to an expensive state school just to get an education is like buying a Porsche just to be able to drive to work. Kids are paying about 2% for the actual education in their degree and 98% for all the administrators, luxury dorms, amenities, dining centers, etc. that tricked them into paying ridiculous amounts in the first place. Thankfully, that doesn't yet seem to apply to higher education in the midwest.

I'm always amazed at kids that go to private MIAC schools (e.g. Concordia in Moorhead) to get a degree in social work or education. The economics are upside down.

But I'll disagree with you on one thing: The ridiculous stuff is in the Midwest. Look at the fitness centers at NDSU and UND. Look at the new residence facilities. The "arms race" isn't just athletics facilities. Ridiculous is here too.

[GreenfieldBison]

Not to get all crazy and political, but the elites that run the country will never let population go negative or even flatline for a significant amount of time. Gotta keep the number of consumers and workers growing to fill their businesses! Pay parents $2,000 in tax credits to raise $50k per year consumers. Gotta love capitalism.

There will (thankfully, and it's long overdue) be a reckoning in higher education about how much it costs to go to public state schools. Right now, going to an expensive state school just to get an education is like buying a Porsche just to be able to drive to work. Kids are paying about 2% for the actual education in their degree and 98% for all the administrators, luxury dorms, amenities, dining centers, etc. that tricked them into paying ridiculous amounts in the first place. Thankfully, that doesn't yet seem to apply to higher education in the midwest.

I did that. Used to really look forward to my daily commute, even in traffic.

[tony]

I'm always amazed at kids that go to private MIAC schools (e.g. Concordia in Moorhead) to get a degree in social work or education. The economics are upside down.

But I'll disagree with you on one thing: The ridiculous stuff is in the Midwest. Look at the fitness centers at NDSU and UND. Look at the new residence facilities. The "arms race" isn't just athletics facilities. Ridiculous is here too.

At NDSU, the people who live in residence facilities pay for them so there is a choice - not that living off campus is a bargain. It's not like NDSU is building dorms and then having tech school students from Minnesota live in them. :)

And at NDSU, the students voted to pay for a fitness center via student fees. I've got a smaller problem with people paying for things they want compared to, say, NDSU students being saddled with a disproportionate amount of the bill for the NDUS computer software system back in the day.

[NDSU92]

I'm always amazed at kids that go to private MIAC schools (e.g. Concordia in Moorhead) to get a degree in social work or education. The economics are upside down.

But I'll disagree with you on one thing: The ridiculous stuff is in the Midwest. Look at the fitness centers at NDSU and UND. Look at the new residence facilities. The "arms race" isn't just athletics facilities. Ridiculous is here too.

Yeah, there's always going to be competition but look outside the midwest. A couple new buildings per year is nothing. NDSU has a residence hall that predates the great depression. Tuition at large state schools in the south starts at $30k per year and goes up from there. Not including room and board. I've had coworkers down here bring me their records because I didn't believe them. I hope the Dakotas stay out of that crap as long as possible. Public money getting sent to higher education barely ever actually gets used for education.

It. is. nuts.

[NDSU92]

Population will always go up. They tried banning kids in China and people still fuck and have babies. The population growth has slowed but it's still a glowing population

I've been wanting to get a new sig line with JMU leaving and you have no idea how close I am to just quoting your second sentence. It might be my favorite statement ever made when taken out of context.

[oldmantutters]

I'm always amazed at kids that go to private MIAC schools (e.g. Concordia in Moorhead) to get a degree in social work or education. The economics are upside down.

But I'll disagree with you on one thing: The ridiculous stuff is in the Midwest. Look at the fitness centers at NDSU and UND. Look at the new residence facilities. The "arms race" isn't just athletics facilities. Ridiculous is here too.It's amazing how often the wellness center at NDSU changes. Maybe I'm getting old faster than I think.

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[Gully]

Population will always go up. They tried banning kids in China and people still fuck and have babies. The population growth has slowed but it's still a glowing population

You sure about that? Spend a few hours watching you tube videos and population pyramids, specifically about China. China's population is probably already falling and in the future it will fall rapidly. When on average, couples have 1 kid and less than 50% of those kids are female, simple math says the population will be more than cut in half each generation (ignoring life spans that can delay the net effect for awhile).

China is in big trouble. Demography is destiny and China got old before they got wealthy.

[bisonaudit]

You sure about that? Spend a few hours watching you tube videos and population pyramids, specifically about China. China's population is probably already falling and in the future it will fall rapidly. When on average, couples have 1 kid and less than 50% of those kids are female, simple math says the population will be more than cut in half each generation (ignoring life spans that can delay the net effect for awhile).

China is in big trouble. Demography is destiny and China got old before they got wealthy.

Japan seems to be muddling through, but maybe that’s the bit about being rich first.

China has endured through self inflicted demographic cataclysms before. Arguably, the pending one has been triggered by lessons over learned in the wake of the last one.

[HerdBot]

You sure about that? Spend a few hours watching you tube videos and population pyramids, specifically about China. China's population is probably already falling and in the future it will fall rapidly. When on average, couples have 1 kid and less than 50% of those kids are female, simple math says the population will be more than cut in half each generation (ignoring life spans that can delay the net effect for awhile).

China is in big trouble. Demography is destiny and China got old before they got wealthy.

I don't buy it. China limited the number of kids in the late 70s to 1 when their population was under a trillion (980 billion) . Birth rates collapsed and now they have 1.4 trillion. That worked well.
You can't fuck with nature. They could make it illegal to fuck in China and the Chinese are going to fuck and have babies. It's like trying to fix or spay 70% of the rabbits. They still fuck, they still have babies

Life expectancy is approaching US levels now. If you were born in China in the 1960's, you're most certainly dead. Your kids are probably dead too. If you were born in the 1960's in the US, you're still working a job. You probably have grandkids now. But even more shocking, if you gave birth in 1970 China, 12% died. That number has dropped to modern numbers, but still has room for improvement

China Life Expectancy
1960 - 43.
1970 - 59
1980 - 66.
1990 - 69.
2022 - 77

US Life Expectancy
1960 - 69
1970 - 70
1980 - 73
1990 - 75
2022 - 79

With technology, they will all end up living into their 90's

The only way to lower the Chinese population is
1) to get into a war. Like an old school WW1 or 2 type war
2) Make fucking punishable by death.
3) Disease

I predict China will have 2 trillion by 2050. There will be a friendly protest with flags that say in chinese "We can't be stopped."

[56BISON73]

I don't buy it. China limited the number of kids in the late 70s to 1 when their population was under a trillion (980 billion) . Birth rates collapsed and now they have 1.4 trillion. That worked well.
You can't fuck with nature. They could make it illegal to fuck in China and the Chinese are going to fuck and have babies. It's like trying to fix or spay 70% of the rabbits. They still fuck, they still have babies

Life expectancy is approaching US levels now. If you were born in China in the 1960's, you're most certainly dead. Your kids are probably dead too. If you were born in the 1960's in the US, you're still working a job. You probably have grandkids now. But even more shocking, if you gave birth in 1970 China, 12% died. That number has dropped to modern numbers, but still has room for improvement

China Life Expectancy
1960 - 43.
1970 - 59
1980 - 66.
1990 - 69.
2022 - 77.3

US Life Expectancy
1960 - 69
1970 - 70
1980 - 73
1990 - 75
2022 - 79

With technology, they will all end up living into their 90's

The only way to lower the Chinese population is
1) to get into a war. Like an old school WW1 or 2 type war
2) Make fucking punishable by death.
3) Disease

I predict China will have 2 trillion by 2050. There will be a friendly protest with flags that say in chinese "We can't be stopped."

But now they have an aging population and dont have the workers to replace and support them.

[HerdBot]

But now they have an aging population and dont have the workers to replace and support them.

They can simply require kids under 10 to work in the Nike factory. Or they can force the old people to work, or set an age limit and execute them

But the US depends on the cheap labor.

[Gully]

I don't buy it. China limited the number of kids in the late 70s to 1 when their population was under a trillion (980 billion) . Birth rates collapsed and now they have 1.4 trillion. That worked well.
You can't fuck with nature. They could make it illegal to fuck in China and the Chinese are going to fuck and have babies. It's like trying to fix or spay 70% of the rabbits. They still fuck, they still have babies

Life expectancy is approaching US levels now. If you were born in China in the 1960's, you're most certainly dead. Your kids are probably dead too. If you were born in the 1960's in the US, you're still working a job. You probably have grandkids now. But even more shocking, if you gave birth in 1970 China, 12% died. That number has dropped to modern numbers, but still has room for improvement

China Life Expectancy
1960 - 43.
1970 - 59
1980 - 66.
1990 - 69.
2022 - 77

US Life Expectancy
1960 - 69
1970 - 70
1980 - 73
1990 - 75
2022 - 79

With technology, they will all end up living into their 90's

The only way to lower the Chinese population is
1) to get into a war. Like an old school WW1 or 2 type war
2) Make fucking punishable by death.
3) Disease

I predict China will have 2 trillion by 2050. There will be a friendly protest with flags that say in chinese "We can't be stopped."

You have a point about life expectancy.....I vaguely referenced that but perhaps didn't give it it's just importance.

You're wrong about most of the rest. They're barely having one kid per couple (despite how much they may be fucking, as you say). The reason the population decline hasn't shown up YET is because they're living a long time. Eventually that stops though as old people die. If you have fewer kids, your population eventually has to fall. It's undeniable.

Plus there is the preference for boys (I'm being unbelievably kind here) they show relative to pregnancy and infants (ok,maybe I'm saying it without saying it after all). Despite what CNN thinks, boys can't have kids.

[Gully]

You might be thinking, "well, they refeversed the 1 child policy". You're right...they did....and guess what happened? The birth rate stayed low anyway. They've now normalized having one child. I'm not sure they can change it if they tried anytime soon.

Finally, there are reasons to strongly doubt the official population statistics put out by their government. Some say their population is already falling....at least workage population. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's not out of the question. Labor rates would indicate that it could be the case.

[The_Sicatoka]

The only way to lower the Chinese population is
1) to get into a war. Like an old school WW1 or 2 type war
...
3) Disease


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[taper]

I don't buy it. China limited the number of kids in the late 70s to 1 when their population was under a trillion (980 billion) . Birth rates collapsed and now they have 1.4 trillion. That worked well.
You can't fuck with nature. They could make it illegal to fuck in China and the Chinese are going to fuck and have babies. It's like trying to fix or spay 70% of the rabbits. They still fuck, they still have babies

Life expectancy is approaching US levels now. If you were born in China in the 1960's, you're most certainly dead. Your kids are probably dead too. If you were born in the 1960's in the US, you're still working a job. You probably have grandkids now. But even more shocking, if you gave birth in 1970 China, 12% died. That number has dropped to modern numbers, but still has room for improvement

China Life Expectancy
1960 - 43.
1970 - 59
1980 - 66.
1990 - 69.
2022 - 77

US Life Expectancy
1960 - 69
1970 - 70
1980 - 73
1990 - 75
2022 - 79

With technology, they will all end up living into their 90's

The only way to lower the Chinese population is
1) to get into a war. Like an old school WW1 or 2 type war
2) Make fucking punishable by death.
3) Disease

I predict China will have 2 trillion by 2050. There will be a friendly protest with flags that say in chinese "We can't be stopped."

First off, billion not trillion.
Their one child policy probably prevented 100M+ deaths from famine. China's had some truly horrific history in that regard.
Good rule of thumb is to not trust any official numbers from the Chinese government. Census of the cities is probably pretty good but the rural areas are probably vastly overcounted for a variety of reasons. Their total population is almost certainly substantially lower than the official count and they have a demographic time bomb coming due soon.
Not sure how this found its way into a NDSU fundraising thread.

[The_Sicatoka]

Good rule of thumb is to not trust any official numbers from the Chinese government.

Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

[HerdBot]

First off, billion not trillion.
Their one child policy probably prevented 100M+ deaths from famine. China's had some truly horrific history in that regard.
Good rule of thumb is to not trust any official numbers from the Chinese government. Census of the cities is probably pretty good but the rural areas are probably vastly overcounted for a variety of reasons. Their total population is almost certainly substantially lower than the official count and they have a demographic time bomb coming due soon.
Not sure how this found its way into a NDSU fundraising thread.

Billion.... trillion.. whats the difference. Good catch though. I'll edit the orignal post

[HerdBot]

You have a point about life expectancy.....I vaguely referenced that but perhaps didn't give it it's just importance.

You're wrong about most of the rest. They're barely having one kid per couple (despite how much they may be fucking, as you say). The reason the population decline hasn't shown up YET is because they're living a long time. Eventually that stops though as old people die. If you have fewer kids, your population eventually has to fall. It's undeniable.

Plus there is the preference for boys (I'm being unbelievably kind here) they show relative to pregnancy and infants (ok,maybe I'm saying it without saying it after all). Despite what CNN thinks, boys can't have kids.

Personally I think humans suck and we need less of them

I think it's human nature to want to have kids. Eventually you'll see Chinese live long enough to where you have great grandma, grandma, daughter, grand daughter, and great grand daughter all be alive at the same time. Then as medical improves, you can throw another generation on there. That's as rare as a flying pig in China now but with the improved life expectancy and lots of room to improve infant mortality to US levels. it's gonna happen. It won't take pregnant men to do it.

[Kevin]

Personally I think humans suck and we need less of them

I think it's human nature to want to have kids. Eventually you'll see Chinese live long enough to where you have great grandma, grandma, daughter, grand daughter, and great grand daughter all be alive at the same time. Then as medical improves, you can throw another generation on there. That's as rare as a flying pig in China now but with the improved life expectancy and lots of room to improve infant mortality to US levels. it's gonna happen. It won't take pregnant men to do it.

we think u suck too bro

[bisonaudit]

Personally I think humans suck and we need less of them

I think it's human nature to want to have kids. Eventually you'll see Chinese live long enough to where you have great grandma, grandma, daughter, grand daughter, and great grand daughter all be alive at the same time. Then as medical improves, you can throw another generation on there. That's as rare as a flying pig in China now but with the improved life expectancy and lots of room to improve infant mortality to US levels. it's gonna happen. It won't take pregnant men to do it.

US levels of infant mortality shouldn’t be the goal. Frankly, for a developed country it’s embarrassing.

I don’t know what to think. For most of human history the population didn’t increase at all. But almost no one alive today would choose the life people had before modernity and the population explosion. On the other hand if we can’t figure out how to operate this thing without continued population growth we’re all pretty much fucked.

[Gully]

Personally I think humans suck and we need less of them

I think it's human nature to want to have kids. Eventually you'll see Chinese live long enough to where you have great grandma, grandma, daughter, grand daughter, and great grand daughter all be alive at the same time. Then as medical improves, you can throw another generation on there. That's as rare as a flying pig in China now but with the improved life expectancy and lots of room to improve infant mortality to US levels. it's gonna happen. It won't take pregnant men to do it.

You are ignoring the facts. I'm not making any value judgements about more or less people. I'm telling you they're having fewer kids. Over the decades, that will mean population will decline.

[Kevin]

US levels of infant mortality shouldn’t be the goal. Frankly, for a developed country it’s embarrassing.

I don’t know what to think. For most of human history the population didn’t increase at all. But almost no one alive today would choose the life people had before modernity and the population explosion. On the other hand if we can’t figure out how to operate this thing without continued population growth we’re all pretty much fucked.

Reptilians have this all figured out bro don't stress urself out over it.

The jab is going to take care of everything.

[GreenfieldBison]

You are ignoring the facts. I'm not making any value judgements about more or less people. I'm telling you they're having fewer kids. Over the decades, that will mean population will decline.

Unless of course they open up their borders.

“Mr Xi, tear down this wall!”


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[Gully]

Unless of course they open up their borders.

“Mr Xi, tear down this wall!”


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Well, I suppose that's technically possible but their is next to no diversity in China and those that are diverse are not treated well at all. Even if they did have want imigrants from where would you source a quarter billion people?

[GreenfieldBison]

Well, I suppose that's technically possible but their is next to no diversity in China and those that are diverse are not treated well at all. Even if they did have want imigrants from where would you source a quarter billion people?

Sorry, I left off the purple.


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[Gully]

Sorry, I left off the purple.


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Well damn, I completely misread that, sorry. I didn't have my nap today :)

[Mr Meaty]

Re-posted without further comment.

I see what you did there, Brilliant.

[HerdBot]

US levels of infant mortality shouldn’t be the goal. Frankly, for a developed country it’s embarrassing.

I don’t know what to think. For most of human history the population didn’t increase at all. But almost no one alive today would choose the life people had before modernity and the population explosion. On the other hand if we can’t figure out how to operate this thing without continued population growth we’re all pretty much fucked.

Every year of human history, population has increased. I see one decade, the 1200s where it declined due to the black death plague. And this goes back to the times when people died from an infected tooth or ingrown toe nail while fighting brutal wars. Of course medieval populations are just estimates but modern population is accurate

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/

Then you got people saying we shouldn't trust the Chinese Government population stats but we should trust the birth stats. Which is it?

[bisonaudit]

Every year of human history, population has increased. I see one decade, the 1200s where it declined due to the black death plague. And this goes back to the times when people died from an infected tooth or ingrown toe nail while fighting brutal wars. Of course medieval populations are just estimates but modern population is accurate

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/

Then you got people saying we shouldn't trust the Chinese Government population stats but we should trust the birth stats. Which is it?

Homo Sapiens have been around for at least 300,000 years.

[NDSU92]

Every year of human history, population has increased. I see one decade, the 1200s where it declined due to the black death plague. And this goes back to the times when people died from an infected tooth or ingrown toe nail while fighting brutal wars. Of course medieval populations are just estimates but modern population is accurate

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/

Then you got people saying we shouldn't trust the Chinese Government population stats but we should trust the birth stats. Which is it?

Dude prior to the 1800’s you could ask 10 historians watching the same battle how many soldiers fought on the field and their numbers would vary by a factor of 20. There is no way there is a continuous record of how many people there are in the world that is in any way exact or completely accurate. There are models that use trend lines and that’s the best we’ll ever have.

The massive increases in population come from reduced infant mortality in developing countries. People needed a raft of children A) as social security and B) because half of them wouldn’t make it to 5 years old. Usually right around the time a country gets the infant mortality rate down, the children become a liability, not a resource to the parents. As soon as people in an area figure that out, birth rate plummets.

Which brings me back to my original point that probably started a lot of this: governments and big business will not allow the number of consumers and workers to drop. Our current corporatist pyramid scheme economy will not be able to support itself if that happens. Hence my comment about incentivized births.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Every year of human history, population has increased. I see one decade, the 1200s where it declined due to the black death plague. And this goes back to the times when people died from an infected tooth or ingrown toe nail while fighting brutal wars. Of course medieval populations are just estimates but modern population is accurate

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/

Then you got people saying we shouldn't trust the Chinese Government population stats but we should trust the birth stats. Which is it?

Pretty sure this post is nearly entirely wrong.

[HerdBot]

Homo Sapiens have been around for at least 300,000 years.

Probably way longer than that. But I would imagine primitive cave man humans were too dumb to figure out how to have sex and cave women didn't even know they were pregnant until a baby popped out. And in the rare event the baby and mom survived, they had no idea how to feed them so they died. They were too busy eating raw meat from dead animals or eating poisonous berry's, drinking River water and eating sticks

[HerdBot]

Pretty sure this post is nearly entirely wrong.

Which part specifically. Give me your stupid analysis

[HerdBot]

Dude prior to the 1800’s you could ask 10 historians watching the same battle how many soldiers fought on the field and their numbers would vary by a factor of 20. There is no way there is a continuous record of how many people there are in the world that is in any way exact or completely accurate. There are models that use trend lines and that’s the best we’ll ever have.

The massive increases in population come from reduced infant mortality in developing countries. People needed a raft of children A) as social security and B) because half of them wouldn’t make it to 5 years old. Usually right around the time a country gets the infant mortality rate down, the children become a liability, not a resource to the parents. As soon as people in an area figure that out, birth rate plummets.

Which brings me back to my original point that probably started a lot of this: governments and big business will not allow the number of consumers and workers to drop. Our current corporatist pyramid scheme economy will not be able to support itself if that happens. Hence my comment about incentivized births.

Infant mortality rate in the next 50 years will continue to drop. The world average is 6 times higher than the US today. Considering the US is only 4% of the world population, it's going to boom

And worldwide life expectancy will continue to increase

70% of the world wide population lives in a place considered to be 3rd world. Death, disease, lack of heath care, clean water, sewage, etc

This whole discussion is kind of pointless anyways. Apparently when football season is over, we have nothing to talk about. :rofl:

[ByeSonBusiness]

Which part specifically. Give me your stupid analysis

The population apparently got cut down to as few as 3,000 people after a volcano popped off awhile back.

The plague wasn't in the 1200's either.

Not sure you should be calling anyone's analysis stupid when your post started with "the population has increased every year" and followed it with "there was years where it declined."

[HerdBot]

The population apparently got cut down to as few as 3,000 people after a volcano popped off awhile back.

The plague wasn't in the 1200's either.

Not sure you should be calling anyone's analysis stupid when your post started with "the population has increased every year" and followed it with "there was years where it declined."

It was in the 1300s, but despite killing between 75 and 200 million and 30-50% of the European population.. the humans still managed to fuck and grow the population

A volcano erupuption is just what this planet needs. As Bill Burr put it, if we scale the population back to 3,000, we could all go to the Super Bowl

[tjbison]

It was in the 1300s, but despite killing between 75 and 200 million and 30-50% of the European population.. the humans still managed to fuck and grow the population

A volcano erupuption is just what this planet needs. As Bill Burr put it, if we scale the population back to 3,000, we could all go to the Super Bowl

Wtf happened to this thread??

[GreenfieldBison]

Wtf happened to this thread??

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImmaterialScaredGalapagostortoise-mobile.mp4

[Gully]

I am confident that herdbot has never been as wrong about anything as this population debate, and that's saying something.

[HerdBot]

Wtf happened to this thread??

It's the off season. When basketball is done, expect more shit like this until spring ball. Then we can get back to the "normal."

[NDSU92]

Just happy we haven’t started the Covid crap back up yet

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Interesting local take on regional higher-ed demographic trends
NDSU mentioned more than once
Goldy looks to stop the outflow and NDSU looks to have an answer

https://www.startribune.com/in-minnesota-and-u-s-colleges-fight-to-recruit-shrinking-pool-of-students/600168070/

[Bisonguy]

Interesting local take on regional higher-ed demographic trends
NDSU mentioned more than once
Goldy looks to stop the outflow and NDSU looks to have an answer

https://www.startribune.com/in-minnesota-and-u-s-colleges-fight-to-recruit-shrinking-pool-of-students/600168070/

That is an interesting take.

I wonder what's causing the projected decline of HS graduates beginning after 2026?

More kids dropping out of HS and focusing on crypto and options?

People haven't been keeping up with their fucking to increase the population since 2008?

Does this compute for Herdbot?

[ByeSonBusiness]

That is an interesting take.

I wonder what's causing the projected decline of HS graduates beginning after 2026?

More kids dropping out of HS and focusing on crypto and options?

People haven't been keeping up with their fucking to increase the population since 2008?

Does this compute for Herdbot?

If I had to guess, it comes from shrinking families? The days of big families of 10 kids went to 3 or 4. Might now be slipping to 1 or 2 or even 0? Haven't looked at the basic math that goes into that but it seems unlikely that kids are dropping out of high school at some higher rate now?

[tony]

If I had to guess, it comes from shrinking families? The days of big families of 10 kids went to 3 or 4. Might now be slipping to 1 or 2 or even 0? Haven't looked at the basic math that goes into that but it seems unlikely that kids are dropping out of high school at some higher rate now?

And what causes shrinking families, I wonder? There were very few families with a lot of kids even 40 years ago.

I'm guessing there are many factors.

[CAS4127]

And what causes shrinking families, I wonder? There were very few families with a lot of kids even 40 years ago.

I'm guessing there are many factors.

Why don’t you enlighten us?? Perhaps you do have kids, but I’ve never seen you reference them—just animals/squirrels and such?!

[scottietohottie]

Why don’t you enlighten us?? Perhaps you do have kids, but I’ve never seen you reference them—just animals/squirrels and such?!

If your parents never had sex there's a pretty good chance you won't either.

[CAS4127]

If your parents never had sex there's a pretty good chance you won't either.

My parents did—>confirm 9 times.

[THEsocalledfan]

I always enjoy being captain obvious, but U of M tuition rates are simply outrageous. They may want to figure that out to get more kids; that and get people to copulate more....

[tony]

Why don’t you enlighten us?? Perhaps you do have kids, but I’ve never seen you reference them—just animals/squirrels and such?!

I don't know everything, CAS.

[El_Chapo]

I always enjoy being captain obvious, but U of M tuition rates are simply outrageous. They may want to figure that out to get more kids; that and get people to copulate more....

Yea this is the right answer, its just ridiculously expensive ..... i have 2 friends with HS kids right now, they both said "if my kid doesn't get an athletic or academic scholarship, they won't be going to a 4 year college"

[ByeSonBusiness]

My parents did—>confirm 9 times.

My joke has always been that my parents are losers because they've only banged three times.

[ByeSonBusiness]

And what causes shrinking families, I wonder? There were very few families with a lot of kids even 40 years ago.

I'm guessing there are many factors.

Yeah just a guess. An uneducated one. I've read that more developed societies tend to have many fewer kids. I've seen the European and Japanese birth rates have plummeted. We seem to have more kids than them but it's trending down still I think.

[bisonaudit]

Yeah just a guess. An uneducated one. I've read that more developed societies tend to have many fewer kids. I've seen the European and Japanese birth rates have plummeted. We seem to have more kids than them but it's trending down still I think.

Its pretty straight forward. When you are reasonably assured that your children are going to survive to adulthood you have fewer of them and invest more in each one. When societies transition through this phase of development you get a population explosion.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Its pretty straight forward. When you are reasonably assured that your children are going to survive to adulthood you have fewer of them and invest more in each one. When societies transition through this phase of development you get a population explosion.

How does that explain the giant families we saw 50 years ago. I dont think there was much childhood mortality back then either? Then again...those were mostly farm families I guess. Dad is horny and wants help milking the cows :)

[scottietohottie]

How does that explain the giant families we saw 50 years ago. I dont think there was much childhood mortality back then either? Then again...those were mostly farm families I guess. Dad is horny and wants help milking the cows :)

Winters are cold and heat sucked back then bro.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Winters are cold and heat sucked back then bro.

Scottie how many slaves do you own?

[bisonaudit]

How does that explain the giant families we saw 50 years ago. I dont think there was much childhood mortality back then either? Then again...those were mostly farm families I guess. Dad is horny and wants help milking the cows :)

Individual people make individual choices. It’s like the difference between weather and climate.

[JMB]

I always enjoy being captain obvious, but U of M tuition rates are simply outrageous. They may want to figure that out to get more kids; that and get people to copulate more....

For Minnesota students, NDSU is a very attractive financial alternative to in state Universities. Plus, NDSU is relatively easy to get to from the Twin Cities area.

[Hammerhead]

How does that explain the giant families we saw 50 years ago. I dont think there was much childhood mortality back then either? Then again...those were mostly farm families I guess. Dad is horny and wants help milking the cows :)

Many families were big because they can work on the farm and birth control options were limited back then. Infant mortality rates were also higher. I remember wandering through the cemetery in my dad's hometown and there were lots of markers for infants.

[Hammersmith]

How does that explain the giant families we saw 50 years ago. I dont think there was much childhood mortality back then either? Then again...those were mostly farm families I guess. Dad is horny and wants help milking the cows :)

That was the baby boom anomaly of the prosperous 50s following the prolonged tough times of the Great Depression and WWII. If you look up charts of US family size from the 1800s through the present, there's a pretty smooth drop with the exception of the baby boom decade. Goes from about 7 children/woman on average in 1800, to the current 1.8-1.9.

The rate was 3.17 in 1920 prior to the GD, then sharply dropped to 2.22 in 1940 after the GD and as WWII was starting. It bounced up to 3.62 in 1960 once all the post-war baby-making had finished, then was back down to 1.84 by 1980 as the baby boomers all reached adulthood. It's fluctuated between 1.7 and 2.1 since then.

And there has historically always been a disconnect between rural and urban birth rates. If your sample size comes exclusively from central North Dakota, don't assume that that experience would hold true for the rest of the country.

And it gets so much more nuanced when you start factoring in socioeconomic status, religion, ethnic backgrounds, education level. What's true in one part of the country, state, county, or even city is not necessarily true for the rest.

[ByeSonBusiness]

That was the baby boom anomaly of the prosperous 50s following the prolonged tough times of the Great Depression and WWII. If you look up charts of US family size from the 1800s through the present, there's a pretty smooth drop with the exception of the baby boom decade. Goes from about 7 children/woman on average in 1800, to the current 1.8-1.9.

The rate was 3.17 in 1920 prior to the GD, then sharply dropped to 2.22 in 1940 after the GD and as WWII was starting. It bounced up to 3.62 in 1960 once all the post-war baby-making had finished, then was back down to 1.84 by 1980 as the baby boomers all reached adulthood. It's fluctuated between 1.7 and 2.1 since then.

And there has historically always been a disconnect between rural and urban birth rates. If your sample size comes exclusively from central North Dakota, don't assume that that experience would hold true for the rest of the country.

And it gets so much more nuanced when you start factoring in socioeconomic status, religion, ethnic backgrounds, education level. What's true in one part of the country, state, county, or even city is not necessarily true for the rest.

Oh that's fun! My parents grew up in Wells County. So they are basically the definition of your "dont judge a rural ND area by national standards' lol.

But yeah there is a ton that goes into it. What makes it amusing to me is all my grandparents came from small families and then proceeded to breed like rabbits.

[CAS4127]

Its pretty straight forward. When you are reasonably assured that your children are going to survive to adulthood you have fewer of them and invest more in each one. When societies transition through this phase of development you get a population explosion.

Exact opposite really. When you are reasonably concerned your offspring won’t survive to adulthood/being self-sustaining, because of your own situation, and assuming a form of intelligence in baby-making, you instinctively/thoughtfully have less, unless you’re into having your offspring die before you or have a shit life otherwise.

But that’s rational/measured thoughts, of which we really have very little theses days it seems/appears.

[bisonaudit]

Exact opposite really. When you are reasonably concerned your offspring won’t survive to adulthood/being self-sustaining, because of your own situation, and assuming a form of intelligence in baby-making, you instinctively/thoughtfully have less, unless you’re into having your offspring die before you or have a shit life otherwise.

But that’s rational/measured thoughts, of which we really have very little theses days it seems/appears.

… I award you no points and my god have mercy on your soul.

[scottietohottie]

Scottie how many slaves do you own?

Wtf?????? I'm a slave to the land bro. Think that's a direct quote from grapes of wrath.

That being said I did have a fellow work for me that seemed pretty young to have as many jobs as he told me he had had before working for me. When he came back to work for the second pay period I told him that I wasn't expecting him back after I paid him. It took two more paychecks for the child support stuff to catch up to him and once it did I found out why he jumped jobs so much. I could have fixed that boy with a little green rubber band bro but it was to late. He's fathered two more since then that i know about. 2 different women too. It actually amazes me a woman would open her legs up to a guy who already has 7 kids with 5 women. I mean this country up here ain't that big. They should know him by now.

Also got my first major raise at my first major job when a new employee told me how much child support got taken out of his paycheck every month. It was more then I made in a month. Old guy who I was replacing and was training me in had heard the boss tell the location manager that they couldn't afford to lose me. Old guy talked me up and sent me into the bosses office to tell him I was quitting. Worked out great for me eh. That boss was Cody Mauch's uncle! He never did offer me a raise when I told him I was going home to farm. Just shook my hand and said well if it don't work you can have your job back but I'm guessing you'll be fine Scottie.

[The_Sicatoka]

The looming 2026 enrollment cliff has been known for quite a while.
https://www.google.com/search?q=2026+university+enrollment+cliff&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS929US929&oq=2026+university+enrollment+cliff&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160l2.11016j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Why 2026?
College freshmen are age 18.
2026-18 is ... 2008 <-- Great Recession

[EC8CH]

Its pretty straight forward. When you are reasonably assured that your children are going to survive to adulthood you have fewer of them and invest more in each one. When societies transition through this phase of development you get a population explosion.

Or when women are able to exercise control over their reproductive system, birth rates tend to decline.

[bisonaudit]

Or when women are able to exercise control over their reproductive system, birth rates tend to decline.

Well we’ve fixed that little problem now haven’t we.

[scottietohottie]

Stupid people reproduce the most.

[EC8CH]

Stupid people reproduce the most.

Idiocracy... The entire premise.

[1998braves64]

The looming 2026 enrollment cliff has been known for quite a while.
https://www.google.com/search?q=2026+university+enrollment+cliff&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS929US929&oq=2026+university+enrollment+cliff&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160l2.11016j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Why 2026?
College freshmen are age 18.
2026-18 is ... 2008 <-- Great RecessionI was going to say this as it directly affected my own family size. I'm almost positive I'd ended up with 3 instead of 2 if not for getting laid off in 2009. I ended up with 4 years and 6 months between my kids, which was not what we intended at the beginning of 2008 when baby making began. Not that $ ever makes sense to have kids the cards were stacked heavily against having a kid in 2011 for family.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL on a bullet train from Hillsboro.

[Gully]

Population decline has a really good chance of being a huge problem in the future. People have a hard time believing that since all we've heard for years is "how are we going to feed X billion people". I'm not worried about it but I'll bet my future grandchildren will be.

[bisonaudit]

Population decline has a really good chance of being a huge problem in the future. People have a hard time believing that since all we've heard for years is "how are we going to feed X billion people". I'm not worried about it but I'll bet my future grandchildren will be.

I bet we’ll figure it out.

[Hammerhead]

Population decline has a really good chance of being a huge problem in the future. People have a hard time believing that since all we've heard for years is "how are we going to feed X billion people". I'm not worried about it but I'll bet my future grandchildren will be.

The problem is the most of the growth is in countries that are probably food importers. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/10/for-world-population-day-a-look-at-the-countries-with-the-biggest-projected-gains-and-losses-by-2100/ Nigeria is expected to grow by 350% in the 21st century and pass the USA as the third-most populous country

[Gully]

I bet we’ll figure it out.

Well, it depends on what you mean by "figure it out". I don't think we're going to be extinct but that doesn't mean there won't be real problems.

[bisonaudit]

Well, it depends on what you mean by "figure it out". I don't think we're going to be extinct but that doesn't mean there won't be real problems.

When aren’t there real problems though?

[bisonaudit]

The problem is the most of the growth is in countries that are probably food importers. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/10/for-world-population-day-a-look-at-the-countries-with-the-biggest-projected-gains-and-losses-by-2100/ Nigeria is expected to grow by 350% in the 21st century and pass the USA as the third-most populous country

Yeah it’s a real tragedy that their under 5 mortality rate has fallen from over 300/ 1000 live births to under 100 in the last 50 years.

[The_Sicatoka]

I bet we’ll figure it out.

A solution. (https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/45660447/da-fuck-you-say.jpg)

[CAS4127]

Well, it depends on what you mean by "figure it out". I don't think we're going to be extinct but that doesn't mean there won't be real problems.

Doesn’t less people solve climate change? Confused here…

[tjamz]

Yea this is the right answer, its just ridiculously expensive ..... i have 2 friends with HS kids right now, they both said "if my kid doesn't get an athletic or academic scholarship, they won't be going to a 4 year college"

The fact of the matter is that most people don't need a 4 year degree. In many ways it's not worth the expense. Everyone goes to school with the idea that "when I get out I'm going to earn a 6 figure income" the reality is that they will earn ~$55k/year out of college on average. On the flip side, an Associates Degree in Computer Science will net an average of $73,760/year starting salary. Engineering techs (associates degree) earn $66k average starting salary. Fire Science yields around $60k starting, Graphic Design 52k, IT is around 55k, Marketing 63k, network admin $83k, etc... and you do it with significantly less debt.

My son is getting close (Sophomore) to graduating and is starting to really look at his options. He has schools like RIT & UAT reaching out to him, but he's also looking at his ROI vs a 2 year college. He's applying for scholarships to both, and I really think if he doesn't land one he's going to go the Associates Degree route, and I really don't blame him. Would I love for him to go to NDSU? Yes, absolutely! But he also needs to make smart decisions as well.

[tjamz]

Scottie how many slaves do you own?

He doesn't "own" them. They are more like lease-to-own

[Kevin]

The fact of the matter is that most people don't need a 4 year degree. In many ways it's not worth the expense. Everyone goes to school with the idea that "when I get out I'm going to earn a 6 figure income" the reality is that they will earn ~$55k/year out of college on average. On the flip side, an Associates Degree in Computer Science will net an average of $73,760/year starting salary. Engineering techs (associates degree) earn $66k average starting salary. Fire Science yields around $60k starting, Graphic Design 52k, IT is around 55k, Marketing 63k, network admin $83k, etc... and you do it with significantly less debt.

My son is getting close (Sophomore) to graduating and is starting to really look at his options. He has schools like RIT & UAT reaching out to him, but he's also looking at his ROI vs a 2 year college. He's applying for scholarships to both, and I really think if he doesn't land one he's going to go the Associates Degree route, and I really don't blame him. Would I love for him to go to NDSU? Yes, absolutely! But he also needs to make smart decisions as well.

got my degree from Da Paul University back on 06 when Ron was running an anarcho-federalist correspondence program out of converted oil tanker free city in international waters known as Section 113. It's in road construction and human smuggling. I only ever used one of these professionally so it wasn't really worth the investment of 2.5 gold bars but like most 4 year degrees it was more about the networking than the education

subsequently i would work on the 2008 ron paul presidential campaign where i would help dispose of a hookers body whom he killed while campaigning in missouri

point being u should tell your boy to follow his heart and give him some of your gold you greedy fuck

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

https://www.startribune.com/university-of-minnesota-president-proposes-3-5-tuition-hike-for-twin-cities-students/600171132/#comments

Bold move, and one that could work in NDSU’s favor. Suggests that they are assuming the home-town market is cornered and are trying to attract out-state.

Come on up to Fargo. It’s not that far away … and I hear it’s booming. Notable quote below:

"Resident undergraduate students at the University of Wisconsin-Madison pay just under $11,000 in tuition, while Minnesotans pay about $15,000. At North Dakota State University, tuition is $9,300 for state residents and about $10,500 for Minnesota residents. ‘The tuition at the Twin Cities is roughly 50% higher than the flagship institutions in any of the surrounding states …’"

[CyPanth]

Stupid people reproduce the most.


Exhibit A: Sports fan sites! :biggrin:

[Gully]

When aren’t there real problems though?

There are always real problems. Not sure what your point is but I'm just pointing out that declining population will be a real challenge.

[Gully]

Doesn’t less people solve climate change? Confused here…

I was referring to economic problems.

[bisonaudit]

I was referring to economic problems.

Not sure how climate change isn’t an economic problem, you know, in addition to being an existential threat to civilization as we know it.

[Gully]

Not sure how climate change isn’t an economic problem, you know, in addition to being an existential threat to civilization as we know it.

Man you like to argue. If you don't think population decline is a problem, I can't help you.....and that's all I was saying.

[reformedUNDfan]

I always enjoy being captain obvious, but U of M tuition rates are simply outrageous. They may want to figure that out to get more kids; that and get people to copulate more....

noone wants to go to school because its so expensive and people aren't having kids because of the burden of student loan debt.

[CAS4127]

Not sure how climate change isn’t an economic problem, you know, in addition to being an existential threat to civilization as we know it.

It’s neither, because it’s a fallacy.

But, if you want to argue, I have 2000 mules in play.

[cx500d]

I was referring to economic problems.

you mean with the ponzi scheme called social security?

[NovaBison]

Found this article really interesting:

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/ndsus-athletic-scholarship-endowment-quietly-goes-over-70-million

FTA:
"Another massive growth in the athletic department, however, is not visible from University Drive and can only be accessed on a computer screen. While NDSU has been assembling an army of athletic facilities in the last decade, the athletic department’s scholarship endowment fund has quietly been going up, also.

It’s currently at $71 million.

Combined with an operational endowment of $23 million and the athletic department overall endowment is at almost $94 million. An escalating rate of progress of both funds has come in the last five years.

The hope, Larsen said, is to grow the scholarship endowment to $125 million, which would fund all 192 athletic scholarships at the university. The current $71 million comprises 196 endowments."

A $71M Athletics Scholarship Endowment towers over the overall endowments of these POS teachers colleges in the FCS... For example, the overall endowment for CUSA bound Jacksonville State University is less than $14M...

[bisonaudit]

Found this article really interesting:

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/ndsus-athletic-scholarship-endowment-quietly-goes-over-70-million

FTA:

A $71M Athletics Scholarship Endowment towers over the overall endowments of these POS teachers colleges in the FCS... For example, the overall endowment for CUSA bound Jacksonville State University is less than $14M...

Getting this done would free up a big stadium derived revenue stream…

[roadwarrior]

The total in these endowments has more than doubled in the past couple of years!

[bisonaudit]

The total in these endowments has more than doubled in the past couple of years!

Good news for sure but have to be careful about measurement dates with market volatility. I’d be curious to see the amount of new principal contributions compared to market growth.

[Hammersmith]

Good news for sure but have to be careful about measurement dates with market volatility. I’d be curious to see the amount of new principal contributions compared to market growth.

Purely a guess, but I bet it's mostly been new contributions. Only because endowments were such a big part of the most recent university-wide fundraising campaign. Seems logical for that to be the primary source of the big increase.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Found this article really interesting:

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/ndsus-athletic-scholarship-endowment-quietly-goes-over-70-million

FTA:

A $71M Athletics Scholarship Endowment towers over the overall endowments of these POS teachers colleges in the FCS... For example, the overall endowment for CUSA bound Jacksonville State University is less than $14M...

'"Once those are done, and a lot of them should be done by next summer, our facilities will be in a really good place," Larsen said.
The focus will then turn to funding the athletic scholarship endowment. It is already believed to be the largest in the Missouri Valley Football Conference by a significant margin.'

[PickedBess]

The total in these endowments has more than doubled in the past couple of years!

Add a few more things to SU and Chapo won't have anything to complain about. New Conference new BB coach. New Stadium. World Class Entertainment Complex on Campus. Dome the Campus. Bring in 10000 International Students. More to do than I thought. Go Chapo Go.


With alot of Universities having to make cuts SU is in Elite company.
People stepping up.

Willy Wonka quote went something like this.
You know what happened to the man who suddenly had everything. He lived happily ever after.

[PickedBess]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqsy7V0wphI

Chapo are you Veruca Salt
The amount of money in Fargo & SU
is amazing. Now Schlorships. UND can't build a softball diamond. It sure looks like SU is ready to make that move.
How much do you want for that goose?
Name your price.

I want the whole world.
She throws the world up in the air.
It's hers. She doesn't share.

She has the power to stop money.
And the power to create money.

[PickedBess]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqsy7V0wphI

Chapo are you Veruca Salt
The amount of money in Fargo & SU
is amazing. Now Schlorships. UND can't build a softball diamond. It sure looks like SU is ready to make that move.
How much do you want for that goose?
Name your price.

I want the whole world.
She throws the world up in the air.
It's hers. She doesn't share.

She has the power to stop money.
And the power to create money.

Second thought it's not amazing.
It's easy.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Looks like NDSU is finally asking for a new Engineering building. Long overdue

https://twitter.com/karlarosehanson/status/1539648083134480386

[roadwarrior]

From the NDSU Foundation 2021 Endowment Report

Endowment Growth
2016 - $166M
2017 - $202M
2018 - $207M
2019 - $248M
2020 - $285M
2021 - $457M

Endowment Investment Returns:
1 Year - 16.1%
3 Year - 13.7%
5 Year - 10.6%
10 Year - 8.9%

In Our Hands Campaign Total = $586.7M
Scholarships - $238.3M
Programs - $178.0M
Facilities - $129.7M
Faculty - $40.7M

Endowment Purposes:
Scholarships - $263.3M
Programs - $118.5M
Faculty - $36.1M
Facilities - $0.4M
Short Term Investment Pool - $32.7M
Other/Unrestricted - $6.4M

Foundation Support to NDSU (excluding facilities)
Includes both current year gifts and endowment earnings:
2016 - $5.3M
2017 - $6.3M
2018 - $7.7M
2019 - $9.4M
2020 - $10.8M
2021 - $12.2M

[Gully]

Thanks for posting Road. I would imagine this is pretty impressive relative to MVFC/Summit teams. I wonder about the MWC schools.

[HerdBot]

Looks like NDSU is finally asking for a new Engineering building. Long overdue

https://twitter.com/karlarosehanson/status/1539648083134480386

It's says 98 million for new construction with major renovation to existing building. So it sounds more like an expansion that includes a new building. Good news

Why does Bismarck State get 85% state funding for a 28.5 million academics/athletics performance center? I dont have a problem with it but we always have to pay 100% if it'd got anything to do with athletics

[NDSU92]

Looks like NDSU is finally asking for a new Engineering building. Long overdue

https://twitter.com/karlarosehanson/status/1539648083134480386

That old building is such a shithole. '14 Civil alum and I loved it. Built a lot of character

[EC8CH]

That old building is such a shithole. '14 Civil alum and I loved it. Built a lot of character

Both my elementary school and high school were built in the 50s. I felt right at home at NDSU in Dolve with it's familiar sea foam green cinder block walls.

[ByeSonBusiness]

That old building is such a shithole. '14 Civil alum and I loved it. Built a lot of character

Never made sense to me how shitty all the engineering buildings were while us business folks had a beautiful building.

[NDSU92]

Never made sense to me how shitty all the engineering buildings were while us business folks had a beautiful building.

Honestly we all really did love how bad they were. By the end of it, it just felt like home. Hard to leave.

The only thing that gave me pause was the amount of dust/soot/mold? near all of the HVAC vents. wtf clean that shit up lol

[bisonaudit]

Never made sense to me how shitty all the engineering buildings were while us business folks had a beautiful building.

The previous building that housed the College of Business was from 1905.

[cbline]

I graduated from NDSU in 1984 with a Psych degree. I swear that the basement of Minard was under renovation all four years that I was there. I took one of our kids for a campus tour in 2011, and the Minard basement was under renovation AGAIN! I think that the plywood used to cover holes in walls has been there since the fall of 1980.

[Hammerhead]

I graduated from NDSU in 1984 with a Psych degree. I swear that the basement of Minard was under renovation all four years that I was there. I took one of our kids for a campus tour in 2011, and the Minard basement was under renovation AGAIN! I think that the plywood used to cover holes in walls has been there since the fall of 1980.

Didn't a wall collapse during a renovation of Minard Hall 20-30 years ago?

[Bisonguy]

Didn't a wall collapse during a renovation of Minard Hall 20-30 years ago?

That was 2009.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Didn't a wall collapse during a renovation of Minard Hall 20-30 years ago?

My sister gave me a tour of NDSU in 2008 or '09 and informed me "this is the only building I'll show you because its the only building I know you'll be in" and it proceeded to fall apart lmaoo

[scottietohottie]

My sister gave me a tour of NDSU in 2008 or '09 and informed me "this is the only building I'll show you because its the only building I know you'll be in" and it proceeded to fall apart lmaoo

Your sister gave me something to eh.