Official Cam Miller thread

[MankatoBison]

Count me in as one of the loudest voices shouting that he was "not the guy" last year, but wow.... the amount of progress this kid has made in LESS THAN ONE YEAR is astonishing.

We on the internet rip on QBs all the time, but the level of mental fortitude it takes to be thrown in at NDSU as a true freshmen, basically get destroyed, and 6 months later, come back and look like this??? Respect, Mr. Miller.

Regardless of how the playoffs end, Cam Miller forever has my respect. If he continues to improve the way he has..... Look out. This kid is driven.

[Bison 4 Life]

One thing that Ross Uglem mentioned on his podcast that I may not have previously taken note of, Cam Miller is the highest rated recruit in program history. I guess because he was probably going to sit behind Trey for a few years and then got thrown in as a true freshman out of his depth, it wasn't obvious. This kid should probably be Brock Jensen to Cole Payton's Carson Wentz.

[TransAmBison]

Count me in as one of the loudest voices shouting that he was "not the guy" last year, but wow.... the amount of progress this kid has made in LESS THAN ONE YEAR is astonishing.

We on the internet rip on QBs all the time, but the level of mental fortitude it takes to be thrown in at NDSU as a true freshmen, basically get destroyed, and 6 months later, come back and look like this??? Respect, Mr. Miller.

Regardless of how the playoffs end, Cam Miller forever has my respect. If he continues to improve the way he has..... Look out. This kid is driven.Miller reminds me of a mix of Walker/Jensen. More mobile than Walker/less than Jensen...but much like the EWU playoff loss for Jensen, Miller took the whole weight of the loss to Sam Houston on his shoulders and put in the work to get better.

[Professor Chaos]

His passing efficiency numbers are blowing away what Easton Stick or Brock Jensen did as redshirt freshman (they're even better than Trey Lance but much more limited sample size so far). Although I do think those game reps in the spring helped accelerate his growth. He does have a fantastic set of skill players to work with though... maybe the best group of skill players NDSU has ever had. I also like how his insertion into the starting lineup has coincided with Tamerick Williams taking the reins as the lead back. Just need that o-line to keep playing at a high level and the sky is the limit for this offense.

[1st&TennBison]

Well without a doubt, he has improved greatly from last spring. Keep in mind, last spring was only 5 months ago for him between starts, not a full year like it would normally be. Which is even more remarkable. He might not be the savior that most people think Cole Payton is going to be, but you never know. Cams throwing and quick thinking has been fantastic, which has opened up our run game as teams can no longer stack the box for what felt like 90% of our offensive plays. And all the sudden we are running the ball like the old days because of it. Cam is not the type of running QB like Stick and Lance were, but his ability to run is serviceable and his running strength is when a play breaks down and he runs out of the pocket where he has been able to pick up first downs. He really has stepped up in unfavorable situations. Last spring he was not the starter and was asked to fix/mop up a broken ship, and then the same thing happened this year as well. He has proven to be a team first guy and I have never heard of him having a bad attitude about not getting the starting nod in the beginning of this season. I am all in on the guy myself. He has never been a liability to the team and the team is playing better every week and getting stronger. Just like the teams of the past.

[THEsocalledfan]

Miller reminds me of a mix of Walker/Jensen. More mobile than Walker/less than Jensen...but much like the EWU playoff loss for Jensen, Miller took the whole weight of the loss to Sam Houston on his shoulders and put in the work to get better.

That's a pretty good take, TAB. I've been telling my son how much he reminds me of Brock......not quite the gem in the rough recruiting storying that Brock had, but yet he was the completely overlooked one coming into the year of the big 3. Heck, he keeps playing at a high level, and we could have another Brock/Carson situation where Peyton has to bide his time.

Switching gears a bit, Quincy sure seems like a nice young man, but his time as featured QB is done unless he wants to go D2 or garbage FCS team. I hope he is willing to learn a new position.....may be a tough pill to swallow, but I'd move him to TE or WR and he will shine once he gets technique figured out. Note to mention, you could have a lot of fun with gadget plays if he is out there regularly.......(bring him on an end around you've run with him 2-3 times, and instead have him chuck it deep.....)

[1st&TennBison]

One thing that Ross Uglem mentioned on his podcast that I may not have previously taken note of, Cam Miller is the highest rated recruit in program history. I guess because he was probably going to sit behind Trey for a few years and then got thrown in as a true freshman out of his depth, it wasn't obvious. This kid should probably be Brock Jensen to Cole Payton's Carson Wentz.

Was he the highest rated at the time we went after him? I thought that Cole Payton was rated higher last year?

[Jay]

Was he the highest rated at the time we went after him? I thought that Cole Payton was rated higher last year?

Here is the top 10... Cam is now #2 behind Hegerle. 2021 class doesn't have rankings loaded.

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[THEsocalledfan]

Was he the highest rated at the time we went after him? I thought that Cole Payton was rated higher last year?

Ross has been clear it was "at the time."

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

He's looking really good.

[MankatoBison]

One thing that Ross Uglem mentioned on his podcast that I may not have previously taken note of, Cam Miller is the highest rated recruit in program history. I guess because he was probably going to sit behind Trey for a few years and then got thrown in as a true freshman out of his depth, it wasn't obvious. This kid should probably be Brock Jensen to Cole Payton's Carson Wentz.

Ross had a great comment " Cam Miller is not "the little engine that could". Cam Miller, was the highest rated recruit in the HISTORY of Bison football when he committed"

Again, just so impressed to see him now vs the spring. If he throws on a different Jersey number, we would all be asking "who the hell is this new kid under center???"

[Bison 4 Life]

Here is the top 10... Cam is now #2 behind Hegerle. 2021 class doesn't have rankings loaded.

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That list just shows you how stars are only part of the picture.

[roadwarrior]

Cam is light years ahead of where he was last spring. Count me in the Miller Time fan club!

[DORMIE]

I'm with you Road. This team the past two weeks is light
years ahead of their production offensively early in the year.
Cam is a dude and bring Tamarek along with him. 19 for 23
last week passing is opening up the run game. We're rolling.
We have so many options and we are finally starting to utilize them.

[bison22]

I love his pocket presence and how he moves around with the pressure. I hate when they make designed qb runs for him. But when a play breaks down he can get yards with his legs.

Also he is lethal with play action under center.

[04 Badger]

Cam seems comfortable under center than in the shotgun. I was impressed with him at Youngstown St.

[BisManBison]

Since taking over during the MSU game, here's how Cam compares statistically to QB's going back to 2010:


Year
QB
Comp %
Comp
Att
Yds
Yds/Comp
Yds/Att


2021
Miller
74.4
61
82
897
14.7
10.9


2021
Patterson
54.5
55
101
813
14.8
8.0


2020
Noland
51.0
51
100
721
14.1
7.2


2020
Miller
50.8
30
59
363
12.1
6.2


2019
Lance
66.9
192
287
2768
14.4
9.6


2018
Stick
62.3
175
281
2752
15.7
9.8


2017
Stick
62.1
164
264
2466
15.0
9.3


2016
Stick
58.7
169
288
2331
13.8
8.1


2015
Stick
61.2
90
147
1144
12.7
7.8


2015
Wentz
62.5
130
208
1651
12.7
7.9


2014
Wentz
63.7
228
358
3111
13.6
8.7


2013
Jensen
66.3
218
329
2793
12.8
8.5


2012
Jensen
61.2
207
338
2331
11.3
6.9


2011
Jensen
67.2
219
326
2524
11.5
7.7


2010
Jensen
45.0
59
131
950
16.1
7.3


2010
Mohler
58.7
101
172
1181
11.7
6.9



These statistics are eye opening. I think someone used the word elite in terms of Cams performance at one point (perhaps in reference to MSU game?). His stats since taking over in that game are on par with Easton in 2017 and Trey and 2019. I'd say the only performance that exceeds his play so far this year was Easton in 2018. If he keeps playing at that same high level, we will win several more championships in the next several years, no question about it. His improvement between the spring and the last 5 games is absurd and is unrivaled when comparing him to a young Brock and young Easton. Say what you want about Cole Payton's abilities, but these numbers and this type of performance are going to be hard to put back on the bench. This says a lot about Cam but also a lot about the coaching to get him to this point in short period of time when he wasn't getting all the reps as the No. 1. The rumors of our demise have been greatly over-exaggerated!! We have the one thing this team needed, a championship caliber quarterback!!!

P.S: Those 2021 statistics for Cam were against play-off teams in 3 of 5 games.

P.S.S: The only time we don't win a national championships going back to 2010 is when our QB's have a completion percentage less than 60%. Mohler and Jensen combined to complete 52.8% in 2010, Stick completed 58.7% in 2016, and Noland and Miller combined to complete 50.9% in the spring of 2020 (Lance completed 50% in his lone 2020 start).

[Mr Meaty]

Since taking over during the MSU game, here's how Cam compares statistically to QB's going back to 2010:


Year
QB
Comp %
Comp
Att
Yds
Yds/Comp
Yds/Att


2021
Miller
74.4
61
82
897
14.7
10.9


2021
Patterson
54.5
55
101
813
14.8
8.0


2020
Noland
51.0
51
100
721
14.1
7.2


2020
Miller
50.8
30
59
363
12.1
6.2


2019
Lance
66.9
192
287
2768
14.4
9.6


2018
Stick
62.3
175
281
2752
15.7
9.8


2017
Stick
62.1
164
264
2466
15.0
9.3


2016
Stick
58.7
169
288
2331
13.8
8.1


2015
Stick
61.2
90
147
1144
12.7
7.8


2015
Wentz
62.5
130
208
1651
12.7
7.9


2014
Wentz
63.7
228
358
3111
13.6
8.7


2013
Jensen
66.3
218
329
2793
12.8
8.5


2012
Jensen
61.2
207
338
2331
11.3
6.9


2011
Jensen
67.2
219
326
2524
11.5
7.7


2010
Jensen
45.0
59
131
950
16.1
7.3


2010
Mohler
58.7
101
172
1181
11.7
6.9



These statistics are eye opening. I think someone used the word elite in terms of Cams performance at one point (perhaps in reference to MSU game?). His stats since taking over in that game are on par with Easton in 2017 and Trey and 2019. I'd say the only performance that exceeds his play so far this year was Easton in 2018. If he keeps playing at that same high level, we will win several more championships in the next several years, no question about it. His improvement between the spring and the last 5 games is absurd and is unrivaled when comparing him to a young Brock and young Easton. Say what you want about Cole Payton's abilities, but these numbers and this type of performance are going to be hard to put back on the bench. This says a lot about Cam but also a lot about the coaching to get him to this point in short period of time when he wasn't getting all the reps as the No. 1. The rumors of our demise have been greatly over-exaggerated!! We have the one thing this team needed, a championship caliber quarterback!!!

P.S: Those 2021 statistics for Cam were against play-off teams in 3 of 5 games.

P.S.S: The only time we don't win a national championships going back to 2010 is when our QB's have a completion percentage less than 60%. Mohler and Jensen combined to complete 52.8% in 2010, Stick completed 58.7% in 2016, and Noland and Miller combined to complete 50.9% in the spring of 2020 (Lance completed 50% in his lone 2020 start).

Nice work on this. Cam's improvement from spring to now is incredible.

[Hammerhead]

Cam is so good he beat out two different FBS transfers to be a starter.

[MankatoBison]

Cam is so good he beat out two different FBS transfers to be a starter.

This is true, and not just FBS transfers, a 3 and a 4 star kid from P5 programs.

One of Ross' favorite metrics is adjusted Yards per attempt, which (I BELIEVE) adds 45 yds for every TD and subtracts 30 Yds for every interception.

Basically rewards QBs for taking care of the football and being lethal when they do throw the ball. From what I remember, using this stat is pretty damn effective in sorting out how legit a QB really is (it showed Stick being the best in the FCS and 2nd or 3rd in the FBS, which ended up being pretty accurate).

This metric would be EXTREMELY favorable for Cam

[NovaBison]

I had the dread when we were on Offense in the Spring... in the fall, that dread continued... that dread has faded thanks to Cam -- he is consistent, confident, and decisive!

I really like what I am seeing, and I like what I am hearing when he is interviewed -- humble, well spoken, "bring your lunch box to work" kid with a boulder on his shoulder

He is going to win a lot of games at NDSU, order has been restored!

[EC8CH]

Cam is so good he beat out two different FBS transfers to be a starter.

Cam Miller the Transfer Killer.

[semobison]

Miller reminds me of a mix of Walker/Jensen. More mobile than Walker/less than Jensen...but much like the EWU playoff loss for Jensen, Miller took the whole weight of the loss to Sam Houston on his shoulders and put in the work to get better.

Yep, happy for Cam. Nobody took the loss in the spring to Sammy harder than he did. And then, lose the job to QP in the fall. But, when he got the call, boy was he ready! The SD game was one of the best games we have had a QB play in some time!

[EC8CH]

Yep, happy for Cam. Nobody took the loss in the spring to Sammy harder than he did. And then, lose the job to QP in the fall. But, when he got the call, boy was he ready! The SD game was one of the best games we have had a QB play in some time!

I really like how he's firing off his back foot at the top of his drop. Seeing a pass come out on time.... seems like it's been too long since we've gotten to watch that.

[cbline]

You can't spell "Champion" without C, A, M.

[Snowgoose]

[QUOTE=Jay;1540802]Here is the top 10... Cam is now #2 behind Hegerle. 2021 class doesn't have rankings loaded.

I don't know who does those rankings but they are dumb. Cam was a nice recruiting get and is playing exceptionally well this year, but he is no where near the talent even in HS that Lance was. Watching both HS tapes from Lance's tape and Cam's tape, Lance was clearly way better. I don't care what some stupid rankings say as it was obvious to even a lay person like me. I mean when we got Lance the excitement and rumors his first year were huge as everybody knew we had stolen a top talent.

This is not to disparage Cam cause he is playing extremely well this year especially with his mind and his confidence is fantastic. He may lead us to another title this year. But these rankings are dumb as Cam does not have the athleticism or arm strength of even someone like Brock. Cam reminds me of Steve Walker who was fantastic and I loved watching him.

[Twincitybizon]

[QUOTE=Jay;1540802]Here is the top 10... Cam is now #2 behind Hegerle. 2021 class doesn't have rankings loaded.

I don't know who does those rankings but they are dumb. Cam was a nice recruiting get and is playing exceptionally well this year, but he is no where near the talent even in HS that Lance was. Watching both HS tapes from Lance's tape and Cam's tape, Lance was clearly way better. I don't care what some stupid rankings say as it was obvious to even a lay person like me. I mean when we got Lance the excitement and rumors his first year were huge as everybody knew we had stolen a top talent.

This is not to disparage Cam cause he is playing extremely well this year especially with his mind and his confidence is fantastic. He may lead us to another title this year. But these rankings are dumb as Cam does not have the athleticism or arm strength of even someone like Brock. Cam reminds me of Steve Walker who was fantastic and I loved watching him.

I feel like you're misremembering Brock. I'd say cam is more athletic with an equivalent to better arm. Jmo

[tjamz]

That's a pretty good take, TAB. I've been telling my son how much he reminds me of Brock......not quite the gem in the rough recruiting storying that Brock had, but yet he was the completely overlooked one coming into the year of the big 3. Heck, he keeps playing at a high level, and we could have another Brock/Carson situation where Peyton has to bide his time.

Switching gears a bit, Quincy sure seems like a nice young man, but his time as featured QB is done unless he wants to go D2 or garbage FCS team. I hope he is willing to learn a new position.....may be a tough pill to swallow, but I'd move him to TE or WR and he will shine once he gets technique figured out. Note to mention, you could have a lot of fun with gadget plays if he is out there regularly.......(bring him on an end around you've run with him 2-3 times, and instead have him chuck it deep.....)

I think he'd be ok as a FB as well. He's big and could block as needed, along with being a run threat from time to time. We know he's pretty good at escaping tackles as well so long as it's not 3rd & Quincy in which case he runs into a pile of Defensive Linemen for minimal gain. Then, there's always the occasional trick play you can run with him lined up in the backfield, takes a pitch from Miller then launches a deep ball to Watson/Sproles.

[cbline]

I think he'd be ok as a FB as well. He's big and could block as needed, along with being a run threat from time to time. We know he's pretty good at escaping tackles as well so long as it's not 3rd & Quincy in which case he runs into a pile of Defensive Linemen for minimal gain. Then, there's always the occasional trick play you can run with him lined up in the backfield, takes a pitch from Miller then launches a deep ball to Watson/Sproles.

Add Quincy to the Delta Variant (formerly called the Diamond Formation under Easton Stick). At least that is what we now call it in Section 32, Row R.

[tjamz]

Add Quincy to the Delta Variant (formerly called the Diamond Formation under Easton Stick). At least that is what we now call it in Section 32, Row R.

Heck, next year put Quincy, Cam and Cole into the Delta with Luepke/Gonella as the tailback. Quincy & Cole are big enough to block and dangerous enough to run/throw.

[Mr Meaty]

[QUOTE=Snowgoose;1541447]

I feel like you're misremembering Brock. I'd say cam is more athletic with an equivalent to better arm. Jmo

I agree, I held my breath everytime Brock threw the short sideline pass. It took too long to get there and felt it could be a pick 6 each time. Brock was still a stud QB and that would be my only complaint of him.

[Snowgoose]

[QUOTE=Twincitybizon;1541514]

I agree, I held my breath everytime Brock threw the short sideline pass. It took too long to get there and felt it could be a pick 6 each time. Brock was still a stud QB and that would be my only complaint of him.

Have you seen Cam throw the sideline ball. It is very similar to Brock. Brocks passes being intercepted had less to do with arm strength and more to do with the read on the play.

[roadwarrior]

I am reviving this thread. Cam has the 2021 Bison rolling! The offense was hard to watch the first half of the season. The second half has been a thing of beauty.

[NDSUBowler]

Backup to Starter back to Backup back to Starter

From the second he stepped back onto the field this year you could see his impact. The team top to bottom has a sense of swagger it didn't have to start the season and I feel safe saying his leadership and ability to make the necessary plays has been the driving force behind it.

[bison22]

Wait until we get Spencer Rattler and Arch Manning and he beats them out too!!

[NDSU92]

Killa Cam has been an epiphany for the O. Has me reserving a portion of my pregame playlist to early 2000's Cam'ron hits.

Only cat cool enough to rock mink in the summertime.

[HerdBot]

Cam's been so improved and he's running an offense that reminds me more of the Brock Jensen days. His strength is the short passing game. We went back to using a running back, fullback and put the QB under center with the read option sprinkled in. Not the primary formation every play. And when we go shotgun, we have a short passing game which is something we didn't have early this year. Pre cam, it was shotgun every play. Not as many bombs now but you don't need them when you can put together 8 minute drives. Last week was perfection, especially sprinkling in QP2 who make things happen more with his legs with way LESS carries. It's a nice change up and fucks with the defense.

[TAILG8R]

Cam has the highest passer efficiency rating in the FCS. He doesn't show up on the list I'm guessing because of limited playing time. Not sure what the minimum number of attempts is.

Cam's rating is 185.26

Highest rated on the NCAA site:
1 Cole Johnson James Madison 175.31
2 Cole Kelley Southeastern La. 174.21
3 Eric Barriere Eastern Wash 167.05
4 Derek Kyler Dartmouth 162.66
5 Justin Sliwoski Saint Francis (PA) 162.20

[tolnabison]

Cam's been so improved and he's running an offense that reminds me more of the Brock Jensen days. His strength is the short passing game. We went back to using a running back, fullback and put the QB under center with the read option sprinkled in. Not the primary formation every play. And when we go shotgun, we have a short passing game which is something we didn't have early this year. Pre cam, it was shotgun every play. Not as many bombs now but you don't need them when you can put together 8 minute drives. Last week was perfection, especially sprinkling in QP2 who make things happen more with his legs with way LESS carries. It's a nice change up and fucks with the defense.

But he doesn't weigh as much as Easton. Are you okay with that? His calves aren't as big as Peyton's. Are you okay with that? He doesn't have the frame of QP. Are you okay with that?

Just giving you a hard time, all those things you have knocked Cam for this fall.

Kids a winner. I like your Brock reference. Has somethings going can't coach!

[El_Chapo]

Yes CAM is the QB 1 for this year , but he stats aren't quite eye popping 9-14 88 yards and 1 INT last game.

74-103
1000 yards
11 td
3 ints

Great Percentage though, cant' argue that, Go Win that Title.

[tolnabison]

Yes CAM is the QB 1 for this year , but he stats aren't quite eye popping 9-14 88 yards and 1 INT last game.

74-103
1000 yards
11 td
3 ints

Great Percentage though, cant' argue that, Go Win that Title.
Those are his stats in 5 games as a starter. A couple series early in the year and 1/3 of the Missouri St game. He didn't need to be eye popping against SIU.

What would his stats look like if he was the guy for all 12 games?

[TAILG8R]

Those are his stats in 5 games as a starter. A couple series early in the year and 1/3 of the Missouri St game. He didn't need to be eye popping against SIU.

What would his stats look like if he was the guy for all 12 games?

Chapo must have missed my post just a bit ago about how Cam's Passer Rating is higher than anyone else in the FCS. :)

[NDSU92]

Those are his stats in 5 games as a starter. A couple series early in the year and 1/3 of the Missouri St game. He didn't need to be eye popping against SIU.

What would his stats look like if he was the guy for all 12 games?

We have someone who is technically a true freshman leading the entire league in passer rating. Almost 75% completion rating, 10 yards per attempt, one touchdown every 10 attempts, one pick every 34 attempts. And some peoples' reaction is "ahh decent"

1) We are lucky to have a QB like Cam
2) We have been spoiled. If he wasn't trying to fill Trey's and Easton's shoes we'd be over the moon

[totoinfl]

This is possession type team. They want to hold the ball and let an already excellent defense get a rest. Just makes the defense better deep into the game.


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[KSBisonFan]

Yes CAM is the QB 1 for this year , but he stats aren't quite eye popping 9-14 88 yards and 1 INT last game.

74-103
1000 yards
11 td
3 ints

Great Percentage though, cant' argue that, Go Win that Title.

That's right. You're still on the Zeb bandwagon. Who cares if he doesn't have eye popping stats when the team looks like it does with Cam in command. It's night and day from QP.

[El_Chapo]

I acknowledged the High % completion and we are running our offense better.
speaking with his dad was cool, as a coach at Soloan, he is very knowledagble & great guy and I'm fairly certain he'd like to see bigger stats as well. Just saying it be nice to get Tyler Roehl on board with throwing the ball more because we are GOING TO NEED TO PASS in Semi's & Frisco!

[stevdock]

This is a Brock Jensen Sophomore or Junior year offense and Cam is very similar to Brock. No slam towards anyone as both years the team ended with a championship.

[TAILG8R]

I acknowledged the High % completion and we are running our offense better.
speaking with his dad was cool, as a coach at Soloan, he is very knowledagble & great guy and I'm fairly certain he'd like to see bigger stats as well. Just saying it be nice to get Tyler Roehl on board with throwing the ball more because we are GOING TO NEED TO PASS in Semi's & Frisco!

What does his grandma think?



Sorry had to

[El_Chapo]

This is a Brock Jensen Sophomore or Junior year offense and Cam is very similar to Brock. No slam towards anyone as both years the team ended with a championship.

exactly!!!

[TAILG8R]

How about this stat line?



GP
CMP
ATT
INT
YDS
TD
Long
%
AVG/P
AVG/G


9
59
131
2
950
7
61
45
7.3
105.6



I know that won't format well but my point is that was Brock Jensen's first year with 9 games played. Tell me Cam isn't having a WAY better season.

[El_Chapo]

How about this stat line?

GP CMP ATT INT YDS TD Long % AVG/P AVG/G
9 59 131 2 950 7 61 .45 7.3 105.6

I know that won't format well but my point is that was Brock Jensen's first year with 9 games played. Tell me Cam isn't having a WAY better season.

Jose was stealing snaps from him too :)

[El_Chapo]

here we go. listen everyone.

Cam. we need the BEST game of you life Friday. Give us 1 great game Friday .. just get us to Frisco man!!!

let's pump it up in this thread this week

[Snowgoose]

Cam is playing quite well in what I call his redshirt freshman season. Go compare to both Jensen and Stick during those years. Both struggled and both times our running game, defense, and special teams carried us. We will need that again this time and have very few mistakes. A team with a young QB just cannot make mistakes in big games otherwise u tend to lose as they just can’t bring you back.

[BigHorns]

Cam doesn't need to be superman or even Carson yet. He just needs to execute the system. I do wish he could run a little better, but thats where QP comes in.

[GreenfieldBison]

Cam doesn't need to be superman or even Carson yet. He just needs to execute the system. I do wish he could run a little better, but thats where QP comes in.

I really want someone to tell Cam that if/when he runs and decides to take on a LB or DB, hit that guy with the NON throwing shoulder please. Better yet, just run OB or slide.

[THEsocalledfan]

Cam needs receivers to get open. We have a real problem at WR right now. Pray Christian can get back on Friday, or we lose just like 2016 when DeLuca and Tanguay were out.

[HerdBot]

Cam needs receivers to get open. We have a real problem at WR right now. Pray Christian can get back on Friday, or we lose just like 2016 when DeLuca and Tanguay were out.

Yeah Cam was solid. He only made a few bad throws but I put that on the receivers. Step it up

[WeAreThePride]

Yeah Cam was solid. He only made a few bad throws but I put that on the receivers. Step it up

That play with Sproles where he just sort of stopped running was baffling.

[HerdBot]

That play with Sproles where he just sort of stopped running was baffling.

I remember that play. For a guy who wants to go to the NFL, it's not a good look on national TV. Maybe it was just the angle or a route miscommunication but it looked like he slowed down

[El_Chapo]

Lights in his eyes, he lost it in the roof.

[El_Chapo]

Gonna need the game of Cams life here friday!!

[HerdBot]

Gonna need the game of Cams life here friday!!

Not really. He just needs to play within the system and execute. We need everyone on the team to do the same. Don't need him to play hero ball.

[gavin2126]

Gonna need the game of Cams life here friday!!

Nah, as much as I'd like to see him up his game and change his last name to Pabst, Miller time is good enough to get us the win. A couple timely throws and no mistakes.

[WeAreThePride]

Cam doesn't need to throw for 350 yards and 4 TDs like Rodgers the other night. Just be efficient, convert third downs, and don't turn it over. We can absolutely win this game with a passing stat line of 12/18, 100 yards and one Tudder.

[reformedUNDfan]

This is a Brock Jensen Sophomore or Junior year offense and Cam is very similar to Brock. No slam towards anyone as both years the team ended with a championship.

I think this offense is lightyears ahead of 2011 or 2012 when it uses the right part of the playbook

[THEsocalledfan]

Worth mentioning Ross said on the pod Cam graded out well for the last game confirming what all of us feared; our WRs played like horse shit.

[bison22]

ETSU was sending an extra guy that we couldn't block. Cam couldn't plant or step up into the pocket. Had to get rid of the ball quick and a lot of times no WR open

[THEsocalledfan]

ETSU was sending an extra guy that we couldn't block. Cam couldn't plant or step up into the pocket. Had to get rid of the ball quick and a lot of times no WR open

Wonder how many times a WR needed to break off a route by reading that, but ran their called play route....

[GreenfieldBison]

Wonder how many times a WR needed to break off a route by reading that, but ran their called play route....

Maybe someone could have coached them up when they came to the sideline...

[El_Chapo]

CMON CAM. 1 shining moment tomorrow.

get us to Frisco. everyone else will take care of Frisco

[oldmantutters]

ETSU was sending an extra guy that we couldn't block. Cam couldn't plant or step up into the pocket. Had to get rid of the ball quick and a lot of times no WR openGonna need to adapt, you can bet the farm JMU will do the same with better athletes.

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[tony]

Wonder how many times a WR needed to break off a route by reading that, but ran their called play route....

It seems like NDSU has had problem with delayed pressure. JMU lined up their MLB just off the LOS a lot against Montana and the Griz didn't know if he was going to rush the passer and it caused problems.

[BisManBison]

Since taking over during the MSU game, here's how Cam compares statistically to QB's going back to 2010:


Year
QB
Comp %
Comp
Att
Yds
Yds/Comp
Yds/Att


2021
Miller
67.8
103
152
1,444
14.0
9.5


2021
Patterson
54.5
55
101
813
14.8
8.0


2020
Noland
51.0
51
100
721
14.1
7.2


2020
Miller
50.8
30
59
363
12.1
6.2


2019
Lance
66.9
192
287
2768
14.4
9.6


2018
Stick
62.3
175
281
2752
15.7
9.8


2017
Stick
62.1
164
264
2466
15.0
9.3


2016
Stick
58.7
169
288
2331
13.8
8.1


2015
Stick
61.2
90
147
1144
12.7
7.8


2015
Wentz
62.5
130
208
1651
12.7
7.9


2014
Wentz
63.7
228
358
3111
13.6
8.7


2013
Jensen
66.3
218
329
2793
12.8
8.5


2012
Jensen
61.2
207
338
2331
11.3
6.9


2011
Jensen
67.2
219
326
2524
11.5
7.7


2010
Jensen
45.0
59
131
950
16.1
7.3


2010
Mohler
58.7
101
172
1181
11.7
6.9



These statistics are eye opening. I think someone used the word elite in terms of Cams performance at one point (perhaps in reference to MSU game?). His stats since taking over in that game are on par with Easton in 2017 and Trey and 2019. I'd say the only performance that exceeds his play so far this year was Easton in 2018. If he keeps playing at that same high level, we will win several more championships in the next several years, no question about it. His improvement between the spring and the last 5 games is absurd and is unrivaled when comparing him to a young Brock and young Easton. Say what you want about Cole Payton's abilities, but these numbers and this type of performance are going to be hard to put back on the bench. This says a lot about Cam but also a lot about the coaching to get him to this point in short period of time when he wasn't getting all the reps as the No. 1. The rumors of our demise have been greatly over-exaggerated!! We have the one thing this team needed, a championship caliber quarterback!!!

P.S: Those 2021 statistics for Cam were against play-off teams in 3 of 5 games.

P.S.S: The only time we don't win a national championships going back to 2010 is when our QB's have a completion percentage less than 60%. Mohler and Jensen combined to complete 52.8% in 2010, Stick completed 58.7% in 2016, and Noland and Miller combined to complete 50.9% in the spring of 2020 (Lance completed 50% in his lone 2020 start).

Updated after the season ended. Cam's season statistics (completion percentage, yards/completion, and yards/attempt) put his season in the top 5 for QB play during the run? He exceeded the all important completion percentage of 60% and obviously is a National Champion....and just completed his freshman season. Congratulations to this young man for having the mental fortitude to overcome all the adversity he's had to endure this past season.

[oldmantutters]

That YPA is really impressive

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[AKBison]

Miller reminds me of a mix of Walker/Jensen. More mobile than Walker/less than Jensen...but much like the EWU playoff loss for Jensen, Miller took the whole weight of the loss to Sam Houston on his shoulders and put in the work to get better.

Less mobile then Brock by his Sr. Year? Not a chance.

[THEsocalledfan]

Less mobile then Brock by his Sr. Year? Not a chance.

I'm with TAB on this one. Brock was a solid runner, more so than Cam. I don't see him getting better than Brock running, but hope he proves me wrong.

[Kevin]

I'm with TAB on this one. Brock was a solid runner, more so than Cam. I don't see him getting better than Brock running, but hope he proves me wrong.


u feeling ok bro?

[TransAmBison]

Less mobile then Brock by his Sr. Year? Not a chance.Brock was a beast running...he was going to get the yards needed. No slight on Cam...he's a better qb than Brock was at this stage of his career.

[Kevin]

Brock was a beast running...he was going to get the yards needed. No slight on Cam...he's a better qb than Brock was at this stage of his career.

Brock was huge compared to Cam too. Probably helps.

[GreenfieldBison]

More than likely Kramer still has a few… enhancements in store for Miller Time.


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[HerdBot]

Updated after the season ended. Cam's season statistics (completion percentage, yards/completion, and yards/attempt) put his season in the top 5 for QB play during the run? He exceeded the all important completion percentage of 60% and obviously is a National Champion....and just completed his freshman season. Congratulations to this young man for having the mental fortitude to overcome all the adversity he's had to endure this past season.

He was tremendous for most of the year, but he still lost to SDSU... need to win that one next year to be in the same conversation. Brock Jensen wouldn't have lost 2 in a row to the Bunnies. Technically Easton lost 2 marker games, but he also ended their season in the playoff the same years so never lost 2 in a row

His 2020 season doesn't really count in my books

I'm being too hard on him though. He was a HUGE part in our resurgence but we haven't seen him play his best football yet.

[KC_Hats]

Cam Miller should be the starting QB for the Bison next season. Bringing him back will allow the Bison offense to grow and add more to it. This was the 3rd year that the Bison had a new starting QB to start the year. When you do that the playbook starts as limited and then grows as the QB and offense allows it to.

I'm excited to see how the Bison start the season against Arizona as they work towards their 10th National Championship in 12 years.

Go Bison!

[TAILG8R]

Cam Miller should be the starting QB for the Bison next season. Bringing him back will allow the Bison offense to grow and add more to it. This was the 3rd year that the Bison had a new starting QB to start the year. When you do that the playbook starts as limited and then grows as the QB and offense allows it to.

I'm excited to see how the Bison start the season against Arizona as they work towards their 10th National Championship in 12 years.

Go Bison!Cam and the Bison are going to roll Arizona by 17+ point. Book it.

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[Bisonwinagn]

He was tremendous for most of the year, but he still lost to SDSU... need to win that one next year to be in the same conversation. Brock Jensen wouldn't have lost 2 in a row to the Bunnies. Technically Easton lost 2 marker games, but he also ended their season in the playoff the same years so never lost 2 in a row

His 2020 season doesn't really count in my books

I'm being too hard on him though. He was a HUGE part in our resurgence but we haven't seen him play his best football yet.

Nobody gives a fuck about SDSU. Your comments are laughable!!

[Kevin]

Nobody gives a fuck about SDSU. Your comments are laughable!!

San Diego state is more of a bb school anyway.

[NDSU92]

He was tremendous for most of the year, but he still lost to SDSU... need to win that one next year to be in the same conversation. Brock Jensen wouldn't have lost 2 in a row to the Bunnies. Technically Easton lost 2 marker games, but he also ended their season in the playoff the same years so never lost 2 in a row

His 2020 season doesn't really count in my books

I'm being too hard on him though. He was a HUGE part in our resurgence but we haven't seen him play his best football yet.

Brock Jensen lost to Indiana State

Carson Wentz lost to USD

[bruinbison]

He was tremendous for most of the year, but he still lost to SDSU... need to win that one next year to be in the same conversation. Brock Jensen wouldn't have lost 2 in a row to the Bunnies. Technically Easton lost 2 marker games, but he also ended their season in the playoff the same years so never lost 2 in a row

His 2020 season doesn't really count in my books

I'm being too hard on him though. He was a HUGE part in our resurgence but we haven't seen him play his best football yet.

Good point on the Jackrabbits problem. They are NDSU’s rival, and now with JMU leaving for FBS, may be the Coaching Staff’s top priority when it comes to game planning for next season (along with Arizona). I can’t imagine people being happy with the “oh it’s their SuperBowl” attitude or the “Stig put it all on film” reasoning when a team has beaten you twice in a row.
Especially next year……
SDSU opens at Iowa, so they may be desperate for a Dakota Marker win to avoid that 2nd loss well before the start of the playoffs.

And like you say, if Miller improves noticeably next season, that would be a problem for everyone on NDSU’s schedule!

[WeAreThePride]

Good point on the Jackrabbits problem. They are NDSU’s rival, and now with JMU leaving for FBS, may be the Coaching Staff’s top priority when it comes to game planning for next season (along with Arizona). I can’t imagine people being happy with the “oh it’s their SuperBowl” attitude or the “Stig put it all on film” reasoning when a team has beaten you twice in a row.
Especially next year……
SDSU opens at Iowa, so they may be desperate for a Dakota Marker win to avoid that 2nd loss well before the start of the playoffs.

And like you say, if Miller improves noticeably next season, that would be a problem for everyone on NDSU’s schedule!

SDSU is a Must Win next fall. I'm sick and fucking tired of those bastards holding our fucking trophy.

[Kevin]

SDSU is a Must Win next fall. I'm sick and fucking tired of those bastards holding our fucking trophy.

The rock thing?

[scottietohottie]

SDSU is a Must Win next fall. I'm sick and fucking tired of those bastards holding our fucking trophy.


The rock thing?

You guys want my 5 cents eh?

[WeAreThePride]

The rock thing?

That’s the one.

[Kevin]

That’s the one.

Yeah don’t care bro

[HerdBot]

Brock Jensen lost to Indiana State

Carson Wentz lost to USD

Never 2 years in a row

[NDSU92]

Never 2 years in a row

I mean the spring season was a joke..

Our loss to SDSU this fall wasn’t Cam’s fault. Unlike the two losses I previously referenced

[scottietohottie]

I mean the spring season was a joke..

Our loss to SDSU this fall wasn’t Cam’s fault. Unlike the two losses I previously referenced

The year the Bison lost to Indiana state I'm pretty sure Brock Jensen was the only guy who could score a td against the Bison defense. That still cracks me up. You know the defense gave him shit. Pretty sure he threw a pick 6 in the playoffs and had the Fargodome silent for a moment that year.

[123Gobison]

The year the Bison lost to Indiana state I'm pretty sure Brock Jensen was the only guy who could score a td against the Bison defense. That still cracks me up. You know the defense gave him shit. Pretty sure he threw a pick 6 in the playoffs and had the Fargodome silent for a moment that year.

If I am not mistaken , he threw like 4 passes to the opponent Sycamores. I have never seen a weird game like that.

[ByeSonBusiness]

If I am not mistaken , he threw like 4 passes to the opponent Sycamores. I have never seen a weird game like that.

Like 10 years ago Notre Dame lost a game where they had twice the yardage of the opponent but 5 turnovers...3 inside the other teams 5-10 yard line...including a scoop and score.

Football is weird lol

[cbline]

The year the Bison lost to Indiana state I'm pretty sure Brock Jensen was the only guy who could score a td against the Bison defense. That still cracks me up. You know the defense gave him shit. Pretty sure he threw a pick 6 in the playoffs and had the Fargodome silent for a moment that year.

Yes, Pick 6 early versus New Hampshire in the semifinal. Youtube link below. Luckily, the Bison came from behind to win 52 - 14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HkYDyuCrH8

[semobison]

In 2016 Stick had a 3 game stretch where he threw 7 picks, 3 of them in a loss to the Jacks. Sometimes we forget that our Greatest QB’s struggled at times during their careers.

[Portlandbison]

Yes, Pick 6 early versus New Hampshire in the semifinal. Youtube link below. Luckily, the Bison came from behind to win 52 - 14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HkYDyuCrH8

2012 Wofford playoff game Jensen also threw a pick 6 that tied the game in which NDSU won by 7.

9873

[tony]

Yes, Pick 6 early versus New Hampshire in the semifinal. Youtube link below. Luckily, the Bison came from behind to win 52 - 14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HkYDyuCrH8

I wonder what that UNH game day thread was like? NDSU's first three drives: 8 plays, 26 yards of non-penalty offense, 2 first downs*, and the drives ended in 1 INT (pick 6), 1 fumble (defense stopped them on 4th down around our 20), and a punt.

* And one of those first downs was from UNH jumping offsides twice.

[Kevin]

I wonder what that UNH game day thread was like? NDSU's first three drives: 8 plays, 26 yards of non-penalty offense, 2 first downs*, and the drives ended in 1 INT (pick 6), 1 fumble (defense stopped them on 4th down around our 20), and a punt.

* And one of those first downs was from UNH jumping offsides twice.

I'm sure it was logical and anchored by reason and superior knowledge of the game of football.

[cbline]

2012 Wofford playoff game Jensen also threw a pick 6 that tied the game in which NDSU won by 7.

9873

That Wofford game was certainly a slobberknocker. I am glad that I was in the stands and not on the field.

[tony]

I'm sure it was logical and anchored by reason and superior knowledge of the game of football.

31 unanswered points before half-time put out the playcalling fire pretty quickly.

[MankatoBison]

I'm sure it was logical and anchored by reason and superior knowledge of the game of football.

Now youre just describing my Bisonville takes arent you?

[scottietohottie]

Yes, Pick 6 early versus New Hampshire in the semifinal. Youtube link below. Luckily, the Bison came from behind to win 52 - 14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HkYDyuCrH8


2012 Wofford playoff game Jensen also threw a pick 6 that tied the game in which NDSU won by 7.

9873

The only guy who could score on the 2012 Bison defense. Brock Jensen.

[ByeSonBusiness]

The only guy who could score on the 2012 Bison defense. Brock Jensen.

Out route passing attempts were always an adventure.

[1998braves64]

Also UNH game was first game after we learned Bohl was going to Wyoming. So I'm pretty sure bisonville was just peachy after this first couple of series. I'm sure someone could dig it up and bump it so we all can read it.

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[scottietohottie]

Also UNH game was first game after we learned Bohl was going to Wyoming. So I'm pretty sure bisonville was just peachy after this first couple of series. I'm sure someone could dig it up and bump it so we all can read it.

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Dude that was the next year when the Bison had a perfect record and beat Kansas state.

[OrygunBison]

Dude that was the next year when the Bison had a perfect record and beat Kansas state.

That 2013 Bison football team barely needed a coach after the KState game.

[reformedUNDfan]

Dude that was the next year when the Bison had a perfect record and beat Kansas state.

Unh was 2013

[1998braves64]

Dude that was the next year when the Bison had a perfect record and beat Kansas state.https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/333542449

That game was 12/20/2013 our perfect year with Jensen et al as seniors, same year as KSU.

You trying to punk me bro?? [emoji3]

I know after 20 in a row they start to run together a little.

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[scottietohottie]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/333542449

That game was 12/20/2013 our perfect year with Jensen et al as seniors, same year as KSU.

You trying to punk me bro?? [emoji3]

I know after 20 in a row they start to run together a little.

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I'm just saying the year he was the only guy who score against the Bison defense was 2012. Brock's junior year.

[CAS4127]

Cam Miller draft buzz/talk already. Two things:

Trust your recruiting and trust MToutfitter and CAS!

[El_Chapo]

Cam Miller draft buzz/talk already. Two things:

Trust your recruiting and trust MToutfitter and CAS!

I'm NOT going to doubt cam, but am surprised, but then again QBU .

[HerdBot]

Cam Miller draft buzz/talk already. Two things:

Trust your recruiting and trust MToutfitter and CAS!

If he keeps improving like last year, why not? He's only a sophomore if he takes his covid year.

You can be 6-1, 209 in college wirh average arm strength and running abilities but not in the NFL. Lets see if he can transform his body.

[EC8CH]

If he keeps improving like last year, why not? He's only a sophomore if he takes his covid year.

You can be 6-1, 209 in college wirh average arm strength and running abilities but not in the NFL. Lets see if he can transform his body.

Love me some Miller Time, but let's pump the brakes on the NFL talk.

[gavin2126]

Love me some Miller Time, but let's pump the brakes on the NFL talk.Last season Cam had the same amount of experience in the Bison program as Easton Stick in 2015. If someone would've told me after 2015 that Easton Stick was gonna get drafted I would've said you were crazy, and Cam last season looked way better to me than Stick in 2015. He still has to develop of course, but it's not at all crazy to see him develop on a similar trajectory.

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[MankatoBison]

Cam Miller draft buzz/talk already. Two things:

Trust your recruiting and trust MToutfitter and CAS!

Who is giving this buzz? I'm not challenging you, just wondering

[HerdBot]

Last season Cam had the same amount of experience in the Bison program as Easton Stick in 2015. If someone would've told me after 2015 that Easton Stick was gonna get drafted I would've said you were crazy, and Cam last season looked way better to me than Stick in 2015. He still has to develop of course, but it's not at all crazy to see him develop on a similar trajectory.

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Last season Cam had the same amount of experience in the Bison program as Easton Stick in 2015. If someone would've told me after 2015 that Easton Stick was gonna get drafted I would've said you were crazy, and Cam last season looked way better to me than Stick in 2015. He still has to develop of course, but it's not at all crazy to see him develop on a similar trajectory.

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I agree, Cam was very similar to Easton in 2015, possibly better passing. Except Easton was so fast, he could score anytime he touched the football. First 3 games he ran for 350 yards and then defenses started keying in on him. First time he ran the ball he went 30 yards untouched for a TD. 6-2, 225 was basically a running back. Tamarick Williams is 6-1, 225. What I loved about Easton is he had the innocent face of a 15 year old kid but could run you over or just run past you. Dude ran one of fastest 3 cone drills in the last decade for QBs. Thats why he made the NFL. Cam won't ever be that fast but he will get faster and stronger

[bison22]

I agree, Cam was very similar to Easton in 2015, possibly better passing. Except Easton was so fast, he could score anytime he touched the football. First 3 games he ran for 350 yards and then defenses started keying in on him. First time he ran the ball he went 30 yards untouched for a TD. 6-2, 225 was basically a running back. Tamarick Williams is 6-1, 225. What I loved about Easton is he had the innocent face of a 15 year old kid but could run you over or just run past you. Dude ran one of fastest 3 cone drills in the last decade for QBs. Thats why he made the NFL. Cam won't ever be that fast but he will get faster and stronger


This..... Stick absolutely destroyed the running drills in the combine and had faster times than a lot of NFL WRs. Love Cam, but Stick is on a different level Athletic wise.

[HerdBot]

This..... Stick absolutely destroyed the running drills in the combine and had faster times than a lot of NFL WRs. Love Cam, but Stick is on a different level Athletic wise.

Im all fairness to Cam, he doesn't need to be Easton Stick athletic to be an NFL QB. Not many QBs are Stick or Lance fast. But if he can get closer to 225 he's going to be tough to tackle because he's athletic and teams will have respect his running abilities. Cam was probably planned on backing up Tre Lance this year so hes been forced to play before he got to his max physical potential. That takes a few years. But did help save our season last year like when Stick came in for Wentz

[THEsocalledfan]

Im all fairness to Cam, he doesn't need to be Easton Stick athletic to be an NFL QB. Not many QBs are Stick or Lance fast. But if he can get closer to 225 he's going to be tough to tackle because he's athletic and teams will have respect his running abilities. Cam was probably planned on backing up Tre Lance this year so hes been forced to play before he got to his max physical potential. That takes a few years. But did help save our season last year like when Stick came in for Wentz

True, but then again this is part of the reason he is not an NFL QB. Hey, I love the kid and am sure he will do fine this fall, but I still not sure he has the talent level of Brock J and he did not make it.....

[ByeSonBusiness]

If he keeps improving like last year, why not? He's only a sophomore if he takes his covid year.

You can be 6-1, 209 in college wirh average arm strength and running abilities but not in the NFL. Lets see if he can transform his body.

Reminds me of the Notre Dame kid we had for a few years. Not tall. Not super athletic but can move. Decent arm. He got drafted, made the roster. Can be a fine backup or scout team guy for awhile.

Good for Cam if he's getting looks. He's a likable guy as far as I can tell.

[HerdBot]

Reminds me of the Notre Dame kid we had for a few years. Not tall. Not super athletic but can move. Decent arm. He got drafted, made the roster. Can be a fine backup or scout team guy for awhile.

Good for Cam if he's getting looks. He's a likable guy as far as I can tell.

Being an NFL backup is probably one of the best jobs ever. Easton has made 2.8 million and he hasn't played a regular season game. If he can get that 2nd contract he may be set for life. Chase Daniel has earned 40 million dollars

[TAILG8R]

No way this is true, have you seen the guys calves!?!?!?!?!?

[HerdBot]

No way this is true, have you seen the guys calves!?!?!?!?!?

If he can up his calves game, he may find himself on an NFL roster

[EC8CH]

Last season Cam had the same amount of experience in the Bison program as Easton Stick in 2015. If someone would've told me after 2015 that Easton Stick was gonna get drafted I would've said you were crazy, and Cam last season looked way better to me than Stick in 2015. He still has to develop of course, but it's not at all crazy to see him develop on a similar trajectory.

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Easton had enough physical talent that we didn't need to sub in another player for the QB run game. Physical ceiling for Cam I just think is quite a bit lower than Easton. Also... Skinny calves, just sayin'.

[Mr Meaty]

He needs more work in front of the camera. His TV commercials need some life added into them. lol

[gavin2126]

Easton had enough physical talent that we didn't need to sub in another player for the QB run game. Physical ceiling for Cam I just think is quite a bit lower than Easton. Also... Skinny calves, just sayin'.Stick didn't have anyone like Quincy behind him either. If QP was on the roster in 2015, he most likely would've been subbed in to run like he was last season. I'm not trying to say that Cam is close to the runner Stick was though, he's not, but that QP's running ability would've gotten him on the field that season also.

For as good as a runner as Stick is, his development as a passer is what got him drafted. My point is Cam is already ahead of Stick in that category and has a higher ceiling IMO.

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[EC8CH]

Stick didn't have anyone like Quincy behind him either. If QP was on the roster in 2015, he most likely would've been subbed in to run like he was last season. I'm not trying to say that Cam is close to the runner Stick was though, he's not, but that QP's running ability would've gotten him on the field that season also.

For as good as a runner as Stick is, his development as a passer is what got him drafted. My point is Cam is already ahead of Stick in that category and has a higher ceiling IMO.

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Agree to disagree. If he gets drafted, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Stick is an athlete. That's why we ran the ball with him. Cam needs a sub for the QB run game. Bet we see the calved one in on QB run packages this season.

[gavin2126]

Agree to disagree. If he gets drafted, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Stick is an athlete. That's why we ran the ball with him. Cam needs a sub for the QB run game. Bet we see the calved one in on QB run packages this season.

I'll be pleasantly surprised too, but not shocked. It's not that hard to see a path where he gets drafted.

And I don't know that Cam NEEDED a sub to come in for the QB run game, it was more QP was available so might as well use him. Which will probably be the same situation with CP next season if he's as good a runner as we all think he is.

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[ByeSonBusiness]

Agree to disagree. If he gets drafted, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Stick is an athlete. That's why we ran the ball with him. Cam needs a sub for the QB run game. Bet we see the calved one in on QB run packages this season.

I dont think Cam needs a sub for QB runs. I think the coaches were trying to keep QP involved even though dude couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.

Cam ain't a great runner but he's very competent. A bit like Jensen. Can do it. Won't wow you with it. But the threat is there that he'll get it done.

I'm a big Cam Miller fan. Hope he keeps it up! He looked solid as a true freshman and looked much improved last year. Give my guy the reins!

[ByeSonBusiness]

I'll be pleasantly surprised too, but not shocked. It's not that hard to see a path where he gets drafted.

And I don't know that Cam NEEDED a sub to come in for the QB run game, it was more QP was available so might as well use him. Which will probably be the same situation with CP next season if he's as good a runner as we all think he is.

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Shit didn't see this post. I echoed the same deal!

[EC8CH]

I dont think Cam needs a sub for QB runs. I think the coaches were trying to keep QP involved even though dude couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.

Cam ain't a great runner but he's very competent. A bit like Jensen. Can do it. Won't wow you with it. But the threat is there that he'll get it done.

I'm a big Cam Miller fan. Hope he keeps it up! He looked solid as a true freshman and looked much improved last year. Give my guy the reins!

QP wouldn't have came in for Stick. Straight facts

[ByeSonBusiness]

QP wouldn't have came in for Stick. Straight facts

Oh I think you are probably right. I dont think we really disagree here. Stick had....I dont even remember who behind him though. Its not like Cam didn't have designed QB runs.

[EC8CH]

Oh I think you are probably right. I dont think we really disagree here. Stick had....I dont even remember who behind him though. Its not like Cam didn't have designed QB runs.

It's just a very high bar for a QB, especially in the FCS, to get drafted. Cam could be Brock level and not get drafted. NFL is very much about measurables. I just don't think Cam will have the physical numbers to clear that hurdle.

[ByeSonBusiness]

It's just a very high bar for a QB, especially in the FCS, to get drafted. Cam could be Brock level and not get drafted. NFL is very much about measurables. I just don't think Cam will have the physical numbers to clear that hurdle.

Oh very tough. If the Notre Dame kid could do it, I think he may be able to as well.

[reformedUNDfan]

QP wouldn't have came in for Stick. Straight facts

wrong

ten char

[EC8CH]

wrong

ten char

He rushed for 500 yards in the 8 games he started his red shirt freshman year, so yeah, he wasn't coming off the field for QB run. There were games that year the entire offense was based on his running ability.

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His rushing totals from his first three starts.

But you would have brought in another wildcat QB.

Are you Mark Farley's burner account?

If Cam ever has a single 100 yard rushing game I would be shocked.

[NDSU92]

Oh I think you are probably right. I dont think we really disagree here. Stick had....I dont even remember who behind him though. Its not like Cam didn't have designed QB runs.

Dude Roehl is our OC. He would be calling QB runs if Tom Brady was our quarterback lol.

Love Cam. Miller Time. Killa Cam. Saved our season last year. He can scramble on a bootleg and pick up some yards, but Easton broke runs of 60-80 yards every year. There is no comparison. And no, Quincy isn’t coming on to run for Easton on a consistent basis. Maybe for like 3rd and 1 situations or just as a gimmick to make other DCs sweat during pregame prep. Easton, Trey and CP were/will be like playing Madden 2004 with Michael Vick.

[Kevin]

wrong

ten char

Any coach who would put Easton Stick on the bench for a run play should be fired and mocked in a rage filled BV thread started by yours truly.

[scottietohottie]

Any coach who would put Easton Stick on the bench for a run play should be fired and mocked in a rage filled BV thread started by yours truly.

What if it was to let Hunter Luepke run the wildcat bro?

[THEsocalledfan]

Anyone who think QP would have come in to run for Stick is delightfully confused. Stick, arguably, was a better runner than even Trey. I so wish I could have seen those 2 go head to head in a 40.....had to be close. Stick has that uncanny ability, which is unteachable, where no one could get a great shot in on him. That is so darn valuable and why I think he will have a long NFL career if he can simply make it to #2 on a depth chart.

[1998braves64]

Anyone who think QP would have come in to run for Stick is delightfully confused. Stick, arguably, was a better runner than even Trey. I so wish I could have seen those 2 go head to head in a 40.....had to be close. Stick has that uncanny ability, which is unteachable, where no one could get a great shot in on him. That is so darn valuable and why I think he will have a long NFL career if he can simply make it to #2 on a depth chart.The thing with Stick too is that he didn't look fast either until he was running by you.

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[HerdBot]

Anyone who think QP would have come in to run for Stick is delightfully confused. Stick, arguably, was a better runner than even Trey. I so wish I could have seen those 2 go head to head in a 40.....had to be close. Stick has that uncanny ability, which is unteachable, where no one could get a great shot in on him. That is so darn valuable and why I think he will have a long NFL career if he can simply make it to #2 on a depth chart.

Trey was faster on an open field but Stick was one of the quickest ever. Probably a little more compact since be is shorter, so tougher to bring down. Quickness is probably more important when hitting a hole. Easton was a better runner than QP. Given he was a great passer, zero chance QP would have seen the field. He saw the field last year after Cam took over because he did things with his legs Cam couldn't do. But Cam will still improve in that category but he will never be a game changing runner

[HerdBot]

He rushed for 500 yards in the 8 games he started his red shirt freshman year, so yeah, he wasn't coming off the field for QB run. There were games that year the entire offense was based on his running ability.

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His rushing totals from his first three starts.

But you would have brought in another wildcat QB.

Are you Mark Farley's burner account?

If Cam ever has a single 100 yard rushing game I would be shocked.

After his 1st 3 starts.... defenses played him differently because be was dynamic AF

[scottietohottie]

Trey was faster on an open field but Stick was one of the quickest ever. Probably a little more compact since be is shorter, so tougher to bring down. Quickness is probably more important when hitting a hole. Easton was a better runner than QP. Given he was a great passer, zero chance QP would have seen the field. He saw the field last year after Cam took over because he did things with his legs Cam couldn't do. But Cam will still improve in that category but he will never be a game changing runner

Stick was pretty fly for a white guy.

[Kevin]

The thing with Stick too is that he didn't look fast either until he was running by you.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL on a bullet train from Hillsboro.

This is still the case in the pros. Every camp defensive players comment on it.

[sbark]

I beleive Stick had the top 3 cone drill time in the entire NFL draft combine that year....not just QB's

[Mr Meaty]

I beleive Stick had the top 3 cone drill time in the entire NFL draft combine that year....not just QB's

The guy can dribble a football. He is a legend.....

[Herd]

Who is my favorite QB Runner?

2 minutes to Go? Stick
Need a TD? Trey
Demoralize a tired D? QP
4th and 3? Brock
Over the Top, talk a little? Carson
Fake the QB run? Cam
Run the veer? Benny & Simmy

[tony]

Who is my favorite QB Runner?

2 minutes to Go? Stick
Need a TD? Trey
Demoralize a tired D? QP
4th and 3? Brock
Over the Top, talk a little? Carson
Fake the QB run? Cam

Bentrim and Simdorn anybody?

[MankatoBison]

Doesnt matter how many defenders are on the field, Brock will score from 4th and 3.

100 DTs? Doesn't matter, Brock scores. Every time. Its science.

[TAILG8R]

Tell me this isn't NFL caliber


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J020rZM5NQ&ab_channel=ComfortKingMattressFactory

[Kevin]

It's....... glorious.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Tell me this isn't NFL caliber


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J020rZM5NQ&ab_channel=ComfortKingMattressFactory

Holy fuck there is probably hundreds of these commercials being produced in the NIL world. And I love it.

[scottietohottie]

Put the teleprompter closer to the camera bros. Still better then flicking a triangle paper football at a milf.

[EC8CH]

Tell me this isn't NFL caliber


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J020rZM5NQ&ab_channel=ComfortKingMattressFactory

Hi! I'm Cam Miller. When transfer QB's come to Fargo, I'm the one who tells them to go lay down. What better way than on a durable Fargo made Comfort King mattress.

Take it from me, Cam Miller, the Transfer Killer...

[AKBison]

Who is my favorite QB Runner?

2 minutes to Go? Stick...Carson or Walker
Need a TD? Trey
Demoralize a tired D? QP... Stick
4th and 3? Brock
Over the Top, talk a little? Carson
Fake the QB run? Cam














Run the veer? Benny & Simmy

Fixed it for you

[reformedUNDfan]

Fixed it for you

I know when I think of 'running QB' I go straight to Walker

[Kevin]

Fixed it for you

yeah bro steve walker was *fast*

[TAILG8R]

yeah bro steve walker was *fast*

Still is ...

At getting you quotes for life insurance!!

[NDSU_grad]

Walker does have 111 career rushing yards on 170 attempts. So he’s got that going for him, which is nice.

[Hammerhead]

Bentrim and Simdorn anybody?

It would be fun to have a reliable way to compare those D-II championship teams to the DI-AA teams back then.

[El_Chapo]

It would be fun to have a reliable way to compare those D-II championship teams to the DI-AA teams back then.

not even close for caliber of athlete across the board.

lots of individually great players don't get it twisted

[AKBison]

Lol, I missed the runner part....

[bison22]

Hi I'm Cam Miller and I put quarterback controversies to sleep. Zeb who? QP who?

[Kevin]

Hi I'm Cam Miller and I put quarterback controversies to sleep. Zeb who? QP who?

Wait a minute... that's the Southpaw from Omaha's music!

Bah gawd.

https://static0.thesportsterimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/jr-memes-header.jpg?q=50&fit=contain&w=480&h=253&dpr=1.5

[CaBisonFan]

It would be fun to have a reliable way to compare those D-II championship teams to the DI-AA teams back then..

The DII teams would have competed well in DI-AA back in the day. They just needed more depth because of scholarship limits.

I agree with you.

[HerdBot]

not even close for caliber of athlete across the board.

lots of individually great players don't get it twisted


It would be fun to have a reliable way to compare those D-II championship teams to the DI-AA teams back then.


.

The DII teams would have competed well in DI-AA back in the day. They just needed more depth because of scholarship limits.

I agree with you.

The veer would still fuck with defenses today because its incredibly hard to prep for it since nobody runs it. But the defense would have no depth, especially when injuries mount. Same with the offense

The better question is how good would the D2 teams have been with 30 more scholarship players. They waited a decade too long to move up.

[56BISON73]

The veer would still fuck with defenses today because its incredibly hard to prep for it since nobody runs it. But the defense would have no depth, especially when injuries mount. Same with the offense

The better question is how good would the D2 teams have been with 30 more scholarship players. They waited a decade too long to move up.

AND a conditioning coach and a real weight room.

We had a little room with 2 Universal weight machines and a few hand held weights.

[HerdBot]

AND a conditioning coach and a real weight room.

We had a little room with 2 Universal weight machines and a few hand held weights.

Good point. Not only do we have a world class strength and conditioning, we basically have a bonus weight room now with the IPF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but back then were there NCAA restrictions on how teams could feed their players trying to add weight? Like unlimited sources of protein around the clock

Also the rehab must have been shit back then. Just rub some dirt on it. An ACL you were probably more concerned with walking post football, let alone getting back on the field next year

And practice facilities. Dacotah Field turned into ice coated cement back then. I remember going onto the field as a kid

Must have sucked for coaches too even in the mid 90s. I dont think the dome had locker rooms the first year and the players had to walk to Dacotah Field at half time

[56BISON73]

Good point. Not only do we have a world class strength and conditioning, we basically have a bonus weight room now with the IPF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but back then were there NCAA restrictions on how teams could feed their players trying to add weight? Like unlimited sources of protein around the clock

Also the rehab must have been shit back then. Just rub some dirt on it. An ACL you were probably more concerned with walking post football, let alone getting back on the field next year

And practice facilities. Dacotah Field turned into ice coated cement back then. I remember going onto the field as a kid

Must have sucked for coaches too even in the mid 90s. I dont think the dome had locker rooms the first year and the players had to walk to Dacotah Field at half time

I had heard of no such restrictions back then. And we certainly didnt have unlimited protein around the clock. We got 2 meals lunch and dinner. We may of had breakfast. If we did I never got up for it and slept in.Plus you didnt want to go to the AM practice with a full gut.

Rehab??? There was no such thing. ACL tears were career ending. Cast up to your crotch for 6 monthe or more. Knee surgeries were brutal.

[HerdBot]

I had heard of no such restrictions back then. And we certainly didnt have unlimited protein around the clock. We got 2 meals lunch and dinner. We may of had breakfast. If we did I never got up for it and slept in.Plus you didnt want to go to the AM practice with a full gut.

Rehab??? There was no such thing. ACL tears were career ending. Cast up to your crotch for 6 monthe or more. Knee surgeries were brutal.

I was watching a video and one of the players said missing a meal is worse than missing a workout in the eyes of Kramer. He also said, if you want to be a 300 pounder you have to eat like you're 300 pounds. That fueling station must be a big deal when a skinny O-lineman needs to consume 8,000 calories a day just to remain at their current weight, much less gain 50 pounds of muscle. I find weird shit like that fascinating

[56BISON73]

I was watching a video and one of the players said missing a meal is worse than missing a workout in the eyes of Kramer. He also said, if you want to be a 300 pounder you have to eat like you're 300 pounds. That fueling station must be a big deal when a skinny O-lineman needs to consume 8,000 calories a day just to remain at their current weight, much less gain 50 pounds of muscle. I find weird shit like that fascinating

Different mind set. Training and nutrition have evolved with the times and changes when the idea of what the prototypical player is-should be.

There was a time when they wouldnt give you water breaks during TWO a day practices. No shit. Izzy was ahead of the curve in that regard. It wasnt like now with unlimited hydration but he was in tune to heat, relative humidity etc etc. They even adjusted practice times as not to practice during the heat of the day. Lets put it this way--when I transferred from Iowa to NDSU it was night and day between the two on how they treated players.

[NovaBison]

It would be fun to have a reliable way to compare those D-II championship teams to the DI-AA teams back then.

Not sure how accurate, but... Massey had 1986 Bison at 44 overall in the NCAA -- above any 1AA/FCS team:
https://masseyratings.com/cf1986/ncaa/ratings

[Hammerhead]

I'm guessing the DI-AA teams in the 80s didn't have the weight rooms that they do now.



AND a conditioning coach and a real weight room.

We had a little room with 2 Universal weight machines and a few hand held weights.

[56BISON73]

I'm guessing the DI-AA teams in the 80s didn't have the weight rooms that they do now.

Cant tell you what they had. But I can tell you what we had. But Im sure it was better.

[17>1]

Looking forward to seeing what Cam can do this season. He's coming into fall camp knowing he's QB1. He has a normal spring ball and offseason conditioning under his belt and also added some weight. He's working with what some say is the best QB coach in the nation under Randy Hedberg. And he's an upperclassmen as a Junior now. I'm just as excited as everyone else to see what CP can do to help this offense but I think Cam has earned the right to be our guy right now.

[Rixen]

Looking forward to seeing what Cam can do this season. He's coming into fall camp knowing he's QB1. He has a normal spring ball and offseason conditioning under his belt and also added some weight. He's working with what some say is the best QB coach in the nation under Randy Hedberg. And he's an upperclassmen as a Junior now. I'm just as excited as everyone else to see what CP can do to help this offense but I think Cam has earned the right to be our guy right now.

Have to agree. Cam has had a very strange first couple active years. Locked in now at QB1 coming off a championship winning season that he played a legit big role in, not just a game manager. He was legit good! Very excited for him.

And this might just be me getting a bit old and curmudgeonly but I love seeing a recruit that was counted out a time (Quincy brought in) or two (Quincy again and now Cole excitement) rise to greatness. This team, and fanbase honestly, needs to keep seeing that to prove this program is more than just the big recruiting wins for "obvious" studs. This isn't special to our program necessarily but I imagine it helps players in the program dealing with their own battles that the depth chart isn't handed to you based on expectations coming in to the program. Earn that shit.

[TransAmBison]

Have to agree. Cam has had a very strange first couple active years. Locked in now at QB1 coming off a championship winning season that he played a legit big role in, not just a game manager. He was legit good! Very excited for him.

And this might just be me getting a bit old and curmudgeonly but I love seeing a recruit that was counted out a time (Quincy brought in) or two (Quincy again and now Cole excitement) rise to greatness. This team, and fanbase honestly, needs to keep seeing that to prove this program is more than just the big recruiting wins for "obvious" studs. This isn't special to our program necessarily but I imagine it helps players in the program dealing with their own battles that the depth chart isn't handed to you based on expectations coming in to the program. Earn that shit.I agree with pretty much everything you said...but it does hint at Cam wasn't a big recruiting win/obvious stud. He was a huge win. This isn't like he was this lesser recruit that came out of nowhere...he was a big time recruit...people just seem to forget that since he was brought into play too soon.

[TAILG8R]

I agree with pretty much everything you said...but it does hint at Cam wasn't a big recruiting win/obvious stud. He was a huge win. This isn't like he was this lesser recruit that came out of nowhere...he was a big time recruit...people just seem to forget that since he was brought into play too soon.

When he committed he was the highest rated recruit ever for NDSU.

[Rixen]

I agree with pretty much everything you said...but it does hint at Cam wasn't a big recruiting win/obvious stud. He was a huge win. This isn't like he was this lesser recruit that came out of nowhere...he was a big time recruit...people just seem to forget that since he was brought into play too soon.

That's fair and I didn't mean to insinuate that but I can see how that comes across. I was more focusing on the lack of confidence shown in him twice and he still came out golden.

Go get 'em, Cam!

[TransAmBison]

That's fair and I didn't mean to insinuate that but I can see how that comes across. I was more focusing on the lack of confidence shown in him twice and he still came out golden.

Go get 'em, Cam!Yep, that is what I was thinking you meant which is why I said I agreed with what you said. Just figured it was worth mentioning...especially it seems like some here think Cam should be replaced. Cam is big time.*






*Except no mattress commercial by CP is better than a mattress commercial with Cam**
**Man that was bad***
***twss

[OtterTailLakeBison]

Cam is one strong mentally tough dude. Just recall his post game interview after the spring '21 season playoff loss to SHSU. He was accountable, focused and proved very damn resilient. He is the definition of a QB1 at NDSU.

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[OrygunBison]

21 of 27 for 210 yards. Good stats for a Bison QB. I mostly listened to this (frustrating) game while rebuilding my deck so didn't see all of his plays. I did see a very pretty ball put right in the bucket in the back of the end zone but the receiver dropped it.

[IndyBison]

21 of 27 for 210 yards. Good stats for a Bison QB. I mostly listened to this (frustrating) game while rebuilding my deck so didn't see all of his plays. I did see a very pretty ball put right in the bucket in the back of the end zone but the receiver dropped it.That was a very tough catch in tight coverage going to the ground hard. Not your typical "drop". It was a great pass though!

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