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Kevin

11-13-2021, 07:03 PM

1) Got the covid. Only half paid attention.
2) luepke and Williams here on out. Spell them with dom as needed.
3) cam Miller is the qb anyone who says otherwise is a moron.
4) unless they’re saying Payton in which case they’re brilliant.

CAS4127

11-13-2021, 07:08 PM

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 07:09 PM

Godspeed on the Covid recovery, Kev! Srsly!Yes this. A friend's uncle just passed this week from Covid.

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HerdBot

11-13-2021, 07:09 PM

Our offense reverted back to the old school Bison offense. QB under center. I formation. Single back. Playaction. Rollout. Bootlegs. Outside zone. Fullbacks. Tight ends. 3rd and shorts. When we put QP2 in, we ran read option in shotgun and our offense looked like shit. He does 3 under center plays and we break 3 60+ yard long runs. We can win with QP2 if we have him run our normal offense, (not this read option shit) which BTW rushed for an INSANE 450 yards and 10 ypc. You can't even make that up

Big salute to Tyler Roehl. Can he do it 2 games in a row?

Kevin

11-13-2021, 07:10 PM

Godspeed on the Covid recovery, Kev! Srsly!

I’ll be fine bro. Not going to die and give ECEH8C the shit posting ammunition.

Also essentia walk in clinics are a joke but that’s another story.

Bison03

11-13-2021, 07:13 PM

Missouri Valley Conference Champions!! Order has been restored!!

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 07:14 PM

I'll be the first to say it in this thread. Play calling was head and shoulders above today and the right players saw the carries and catches.

Still some head scratchers but overall much better.

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KTF

11-13-2021, 07:14 PM

Pass Defense has to improve to keep USD under wraps... Too many long passes with the CB's not turning to make a play.

tjbison

11-13-2021, 07:14 PM

Our offense reverted back to the old school Bison offense. QB under center. I formation. Single back. Playaction. Rollout. Bootlegs. 3rd and shorts. When we put QP2 in, we ran read option in shotgun and our offense looked like shit. He does 3 under center plays and we break 3 60+ yard long runs. We can win with QP2 if we have him run our normal offense, which BTW rushed for an INSANE 450 yards and 10 ypc. You can't even make that up

Big salute to Tyler Roehl. Can he do it 2 games in a row?

Teams can defend RO offenses now as pretty much everyone runs it, its the Prp Style they struggle with, hence why I hate us turning into a spread RO team, gimmicky football IMO

tjbison

11-13-2021, 07:15 PM

Missouri Valley Conference Champions!! Order has been restored!!

Take care of business next week and its ours...and only ours

CAS4127

11-13-2021, 07:16 PM

Our offense reverted back to the old school Bison offense. QB under center. I formation. Single back. Playaction. Rollout. Bootlegs. 3rd and shorts. When we put QP2 in, we ran read option in shotgun and our offense looked like shit. He does 3 under center plays and we break 3 60+ yard long runs. We can win with QP2 if we have him run our normal offense, which BTW rushed for an INSANE 450 yards and 10 ypc. You can't even make that up

Big salute to Tyler Roehl. Can he do it 2 games in a row?

And Miller was very effective both passing and running today. Reminded me of a JR-year Brock.

Also, pounding them early with big backs was a huge factor in our second half long runs.

Luepke irritating his hamstring again kinda sucks, but hopefully he is healthy enough going forward to give us 10-15 plays/runs a game.

1st&TennBison

11-13-2021, 07:17 PM

HerdBot

11-13-2021, 07:17 PM

Teams can defend RO offenses now as pretty much everyone runs it, its the Prp Style they struggle with, hence why I hate us turning into a spread RO team, gimmicky football IMO

Yep. That's why Kennesaw state has been successful running the triple option. The playoffs hit and they are screwed

scottietohottie

11-13-2021, 07:21 PM

I’ll be fine bro. Not going to die and give ECEH8C the shit posting ammunition.

Also essentia walk in clinics are a joke but that’s another story.

God and speed would help though.

EC8CH

11-13-2021, 07:23 PM

HerdBot

11-13-2021, 07:24 PM

Take care of business next week and its ours...and only ours

Who has to lose today to win it outright?

tony

11-13-2021, 07:24 PM

Get well soon, Kevin.

Also: CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP, BABY!

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 07:25 PM

Who has to lose today to win it outright?Everyone with two losses??

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1st&TennBison

11-13-2021, 07:26 PM

Who has to lose today to win it outright?

SDSU i do believe

tony

11-13-2021, 07:26 PM

SDSU i do believe

The winner of SDSU and USD will still be in the race. SIU would have to lose today. So would SIU.

HerdBot

11-13-2021, 07:26 PM

And Miller was very effective both passing and running today. Reminded me of a JR-year Brock.

Also, pounding them early with big backs was a huge factor in our second half long runs.

Luepke irritating his hamstring again kinda sucks, but hopefully he is healthy enough going forward to give us 10-15 plays/runs a game.

He really did. Roehl put him a good position to be successful and play to his strengths. He's really good on rollouts and bootlegs But that bomb to Watson on the playaction really sold me

Gully

11-13-2021, 07:26 PM

Who has to lose today to win it outright?

at least both USD and SDSU :)

Bison03

11-13-2021, 07:28 PM

at least both USD and SDSU :)
Going to be hard for both to lose! Haha

1st&TennBison

11-13-2021, 07:28 PM

SDSU i do believe

Actually I stand corrected, SDSU loses we get the auto-bid, but all the two loss teams is the correct answer.

Bison03

11-13-2021, 07:42 PM

454 rushing is the most rushing yards in a conference game in NDSU’s DI history. Impressive.

tjamz

11-13-2021, 07:44 PM

tjbison

11-13-2021, 07:49 PM

Who has to lose today to win it outright?

Bunnies usd, msu and siu all in the running I believe, but still leave no doubt and take it

Jay

11-13-2021, 07:59 PM

I said this in a diff thread. QB under center seems to be very much more successful than shotgun.

I want to see rushing stats under center vs shotgun. I feel like it’s drastically different.

El_Chapo

11-13-2021, 08:01 PM

Kevin

11-13-2021, 08:04 PM

Got Covid... suuuuuuurrrrrreeeeeeeee. You're probably in Vegas without us!!!

I’ll be going after I recover I can promise you that.

#immune

HerdBot

11-13-2021, 08:06 PM

I said this in a diff thread. QB under center seems to be very much more successful than shotgun.

I want to see rushing stats under center vs shotgun. I feel like it’s drastically different.

Not only that.. playaction passes under center are way more effective

CAS4127

11-13-2021, 08:07 PM

Brozio in walking boot in 2nd half and Luepke out with hamstring wrapped. Not good for our running game from under center.

Jay

11-13-2021, 08:08 PM

Brozio in walking boot in 2nd half and Luepke out with hamstring wrapped. Not good for our running game from under center.

44 is gonna deal with that the rest of the year.

scottietohottie

11-13-2021, 08:09 PM

Never want to pull a hammy eh.

HerdBot

11-13-2021, 08:10 PM

Brozio in walking boot in 2nd half and Luepke out with hamstring wrapped. Not good for our running game from under center.

TK looked pretty damn good late in the game. Pretty much any back was good. We may need to put some TEs back there for FB duty but we were good with cam under center and a single back with 2 TEs too

scottietohottie

11-13-2021, 08:10 PM

Touch your toes before you skate eh pickled?

CAS4127

11-13-2021, 08:12 PM

44 is gonna deal with that the rest of the year.

Yep—hopefully we can use him wisely.

CAS4127

11-13-2021, 08:13 PM

TK looked pretty damn good late in the game. Pretty much any back was good. We may need to put some TEs back there for FB duty but we were good with cam under center and a single back with 2 TEs too

I was referring more to our I-back set with FB as lead blocker. Agree we may need to look at a TE there.

El_Chapo

11-13-2021, 08:15 PM

Brozio in walking boot in 2nd half and Luepke out with hamstring wrapped. Not good for our running game from under center.

I said to SIT hunter & gonella til playoffs. stupid coaches

IzzyFlexion

11-13-2021, 08:15 PM

Seth Wilson still appears on the gobison roster.
Does anyone know if he is still an available RB.
No appearances this season. Such a shame if he had to hang em up.

mtoutfitter

11-13-2021, 08:16 PM

I was referring more to our I-back set with FB as lead blocker. Agree we may need to look at a TE there.

I believe they still have Hofstedt and the transfer FB....Waters??

EC8CH

11-13-2021, 08:16 PM

Let's go Yotes! 14-13

BiZon22

11-13-2021, 08:19 PM

SDSU is not better than us. I know half of this site likes to think so but its just not true.

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CAS4127

11-13-2021, 08:22 PM

I believe they still have Hofstedt and the transfer FB....Waters??

Gapped that out.

HerdBot

11-13-2021, 08:22 PM

I was referring more to our I-back set with FB as lead blocker. Agree we may need to look at a TE there.

Yeah we can't go back to the read option bullshit because our fullback is hurts. Seems dumb to change 10 when you lose 1

semobison

11-13-2021, 08:23 PM

SDSU is not better than us. I know half of this site likes to think so but its just not true.

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Well, they were better last Saturday! Would love to get em at home in the playoffs.

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 08:23 PM

Seth Wilson still appears on the gobison roster.
Does anyone know if he is still an available RB.
No appearances this season. Such a shame if he had to hang em up.Another injury. Poor kid is going to be 30 yrs old playing college football.

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56BISON73

11-13-2021, 08:28 PM

Another injury. Poor kid is going to be 30 yrs old playing college football.

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Looking back on all of the teams I was associated with there was always one kid who was always getting injured. The killer was they all had talent. Just couldnt stay healthy.

bison22

11-13-2021, 08:32 PM

Sdsu proving we were their superbowl again.

bison22

11-13-2021, 08:35 PM

Wow!!!! Reeder and Backus both got targeting penalties in 2nd half so are both out for first half vs usd next week.

Gully

11-13-2021, 08:37 PM

Wow!!!! Reeder and Backus both got targeting penalties in 2nd half so are both out for first half vs usd next week.

I think you mean UND

CAS4127

11-13-2021, 08:38 PM

Wow!!!! Reeder and Backus both got targeting penalties in 2nd half so are both out for first half vs usd next week.

And now an SDSU LB is gone for targeting.

Edit: whoops—didn’t realize you were referencing SDSU players—don’t know their names.

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 08:38 PM

Wow!!!! Reeder and Backus both got targeting penalties in 2nd half so are both out for first half vs usd next week.I don't think that's how it works anymore. I think they changed it a couple years ago so you don't have to set out the next game.

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garbageman

11-13-2021, 08:39 PM

They will have to sit out first half

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 08:40 PM

They will have to sit out first halfHuh. Could have sworn they changed that. Guess not.

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Gully

11-13-2021, 08:40 PM

I don't think that's how it works anymore. I think they changed it a couple years ago so you don't have to set out the next game.

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Nope, they have to sit out the first half

scottietohottie

11-13-2021, 08:41 PM

Huh. Could have sworn they changed that. Guess not.

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Stig might just give em a different number eh

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 08:46 PM

Williams after the game today:

"As a running back, I think it’s good to get multiple carries in a row,” Williams said. “Once the defense starts to feel you out and you start to heat up, those 3 or 4 yards turn into 10 or 12 yards.”

Jay

11-13-2021, 08:48 PM

Williams after the game today:

Not the first time he’s voiced that. And he’s right.

SDbison

11-13-2021, 09:00 PM

Not the first time he’s voiced that. And he’s right. Yeah but Roehl and Entz know better and say not true.

HerdBot

11-13-2021, 09:08 PM

SDSU at USD. 4th and 1 chain link with the game on the line. They run that pussy ass read option and get stuffed. Now they are going to lose. Run the football like a man and end this read option crap

Jay

11-13-2021, 09:09 PM

SDSU at USD. 4th and 1 chain link with the game on the line. They run that pussy ass read option and get stuffed. Now they are going to lose. Run the football like a man and end this read option crap

(NDSU looks in the mirror)

Dstahn

11-13-2021, 09:10 PM

What is South Dakota doing?

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scottietohottie

11-13-2021, 09:10 PM

(NDSU looks in the mirror)

Usd has been watching film studying ndsu.

bison22

11-13-2021, 09:10 PM

yep stupid read option..... sdsu escapes

HerdBot

11-13-2021, 09:14 PM

yep stupid read option..... sdsu escapes

Read option had ruined both college and the NFL. I fucking hate it. 4th and inches by going read option, you eliminate the QB sneak

1998braves64

11-13-2021, 09:16 PM

Geez stig giving SD a shot at their 45 yard line

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1998braves64

11-13-2021, 09:20 PM

SD wine on hail Mary

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OrygunBison

11-13-2021, 09:20 PM

Bunnies go down.

1st&TennBison

11-13-2021, 09:20 PM

OMFG USD wins

1998braves64

11-13-2021, 09:21 PM

Lol stig outsmarts himself again

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KSBisonFan

11-13-2021, 09:21 PM

Holy shit usd!!!!!

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 09:21 PM

Holy fucking shit!!!! Stiggy outsmarts himself AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

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semobison

11-13-2021, 09:22 PM

Wow, Hail Mary win for the Yotes! Stig should have punted!

NDSU92

11-13-2021, 09:23 PM

Laughing my fucking ass off lol fuck SDSU

HerdBot

11-13-2021, 09:23 PM

Geez stig giving SD a shot at their 45 yard line

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Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. What a play! Wow!

OrygunBison

11-13-2021, 09:23 PM

Such a stunningly stupid last offensive play for SDSU that gives the Yotes a chance.

Hammerhead

11-13-2021, 09:23 PM

That one SDSU player looked like he was about to cry.

1st&TennBison

11-13-2021, 09:23 PM

Now we know the blueprint on how to beat SDSU, just throw hail marys all game

semobison

11-13-2021, 09:24 PM

Yotes playing for a share of the conference title next week!

1998braves64

11-13-2021, 09:24 PM

Why not just pooch punt it if you're worried about the block. I thought usd was toast after 12-18 men on the field penalty.

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bison22

11-13-2021, 09:24 PM

Hahaha omg biggest goof of all time. So fucking awesome

JCEE1990

11-13-2021, 09:25 PM

I was wondering why that dumb shit jack qb didn’t throw that ball straight down the field where it would have been in the air longer!!! Glorious

AKBison

11-13-2021, 09:25 PM

Now we know the blueprint on how to beat SDSU, just throw hail marys all game

Lol, go Totes!

mtoutfitter

11-13-2021, 09:25 PM

Now we know the blueprint on how to beat SDSU, just throw hail marys all game

Bring back Zeb! Bring back Zeb!

OrygunBison

11-13-2021, 09:26 PM

Why not just pooch punt it if you're worried about the block. I thought usd was toast after 12-18 men on the field penalty.

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He could have scrambled for 7 seconds and then run outta the back of the endzone, which is what I thought he was going to do. Puzzled by what they were thinking.

I guess the prevent offense doesn't always work.

bison22

11-13-2021, 09:26 PM

Stats poll will still have sdsu ahead of ndsu since they beat us

Bison03

11-13-2021, 09:27 PM

Should have just ran straight backwards and run out of the endzone and taken a safety with the clock expiring and win by 1

Kevin

11-13-2021, 09:29 PM

The Mary https://mobile.twitter.com/stuwhitney/status/1459647689017098240

Twincitybizon

11-13-2021, 09:32 PM

I came here for the SDSU usd reaction. Lol watching it love was gold

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 09:34 PM

I came here for the SDSU usd reaction. Lol watching it love was goldI was a few minutes behind and with so many posts here about USD screwing up and handing the Jacks the game I figured it was over.

Watched anyway and was not disappointed.

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NDSUBowler

11-13-2021, 09:34 PM

What an insane finish to that game. If youre going to waste 7 seconds you better not mess that one up like that.

Then the double sdsu tip forward on the hail mary….*Chefs Kiss*

HerdBot

11-13-2021, 09:35 PM

He could have scrambled for 7 seconds and then run outta the back of the endzone, which is what I thought he was going to do. Puzzled by what they were thinking.

I guess the prevent offense doesn't always work.

Or like Easton in the natty vs JMU. Run back 30 yards with your eye on the clock, slide and then throw the ball in the air like you just won the National Championship

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 09:36 PM

Or like Easton in the natty vs JMU. Run back 30 yards with your eye on the clock, slide and then throw the ball in the air like you just won the National ChampionshipBut that's not as clever as throwing it over the mountains to run out the clock.

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1998braves64

11-13-2021, 09:37 PM

Lol one of SD street clothes guy got steamrolled then a guy running with crutches to the end zone is classic!

Cheerleaders nearly committed sideline infraction too.

Midco tweeted it at sports center

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IzzyFlexion

11-13-2021, 09:40 PM

QB very close to throwing the ball ahead of the LOS.
Tried to pause but couldn't tell.
Looked like the line judge was close to the 44 and the throw appeared to take place a foot or so before the 45.

HerdBot

11-13-2021, 09:41 PM

But that's not as clever as throwing it over the mountains to run out the clock.

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If they had uncle Rico maybe

https://c.tenor.com/DZHHgauRut0AAAAd/napoleon-dynamite-uncle-rico.gif

Bison Bridge Guy

11-13-2021, 09:52 PM

QB very close to throwing the ball ahead of the LOS.
Tried to pause but couldn't tell.
Looked like the line judge was close to the 44 and the throw appeared to take place a foot or so before the 45.

Good angle here, he was well behind the LOS.

https://twitter.com/BisonReport/status/1459649910584889352?t=C3hHwUqBrtrlWdfH-Tapqw&s=19

IzzyFlexion

11-13-2021, 09:53 PM

Good angle here, he was well behind the LOS.

https://twitter.com/BisonReport/status/1459649910584889352?t=C3hHwUqBrtrlWdfH-Tapqw&s=19

Yeah....just rewatched.
I was off by 5 yards. Looks like he let it go at the 40.

NDSU1980

11-13-2021, 09:54 PM

I went to the SDSU board to read and laugh and after reading a page the board seems to have crashed.

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 09:54 PM

I went to the SDSU board to read and laugh and after reading a page the board seems to have crashed.Was Stiggy driving?

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HerdBot

11-13-2021, 10:00 PM

I went to the SDSU board to read and laugh and after reading a page the board seems to have crashed.

This page isn’t working
sdsufans.com is currently unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 500

OrygunBison

11-13-2021, 10:04 PM

Crazy ending happening in Springfield as well.

TAILG8R

11-13-2021, 10:06 PM

Something dawned on me last night. In the last press conference Entz complained that some of his players were listening to the media and social media about how great they were.

Did he forget how he stated on camera that his freshman were better than MSU's transfers? You think his players didn't hear that??

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1st&TennBison

11-13-2021, 10:20 PM

So does this mean USD is now ranked ahead of NDSU since they beat the team that beat us???

tjbison

11-13-2021, 10:23 PM

So does this mean USD is now ranked ahead of NDSU since they beat the team that beat us???Wouldn't surprise me one bit

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THEsocalledfan

11-13-2021, 10:52 PM

Great discussion guys!

1. Watched about entire SDSU/USD game. USD deserved to win that game; don't let bunny dummies say otherwise. They missed 2 FGs and had a stupid Nielson shotgun play with 2 chain links to go that was stopped. (WTF can't spread teams figure out how dumb this is?)
2. Williams is the man. Right now, he should be featured like Crockett since our options are dwindling. I would also like to see more TK Marshall to see what he can do.
3. I think our offense is evolving a bit back to a Brock Jensen style team. I think one has to remember that Carson and Eastin had unique abilities that partly led to all the read option stuff (particularly with Easton). Trey could have done just about anything so for him, they just kept it. But now, its time to keep our ass back under center except 3rd and long. Play action out of that kills other teams.
4. That catch by Watson was amazing on the deep ball....watch that again. It hit a blind spot when he caught it; still don't know how he did that.
5. O line played like the Rams.....they should be able to do that to USD next week from what I say. Strong was KILLING USD in that game.
6. Coach Entz needs to keep after these guys; they are responding to this press conference scoldings.....keep doing it without being overly negative. (yes, you can do too far, but I think he nailed it last week)
7. Tyler Roehl, keep running that offense like you are still playing. I think we are tough to beat when you do.

BisonHorns

11-13-2021, 11:27 PM

Do the Coyotes get the Dakota Marker now?

tjbison

11-13-2021, 11:27 PM

bison22

11-13-2021, 11:33 PM

So mvfc already has five 7 win teams.
Ndsu
Sdsu
Usd
Missouri state
Southern Illinois

Regardless of what happens next week are all 5 already in?

tjamz

11-13-2021, 11:34 PM

So.... with SDSU falling to USD, and one of their wins being transitioning from D2 Dixie State and another being D2 Lindenwood, do we cheer for UND next week to beat SDSU?

If UND does win, that drops Stig & Co to 7 & 4 are they playoff eligible since one of their 7 wins is against a transitioning team and the other against a D2 opponent or does that not matter?

tjbison

11-13-2021, 11:39 PM

So.... with SDSU falling to USD, and one of their wins being transitioning from D2 Dixie State, do we cheer for UND next week to beat SDSU?

If UND does win, that drops Stig & Co to 7 & 4 are they playoff eligible since one of their 7 wins is against a transitioning team or does that not matter?They would be 6-4, and definitely on the outside looking in

If UND wins they would have lost 2 of their last games of the year and might get the snub.

They would have wins against NDSU and FBS CO St but definitely playing opening weekend regardless and probably traveling

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tjbison

11-13-2021, 11:40 PM

So mvfc already has five 7 win teams.
Ndsu
Sdsu
Usd
Missouri state
Southern Illinois

Regardless of what happens next week are all 5 already in?SDSU has a non qualifying win, they NEED to win

Cheer for UND they are out regardless IMO

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CAS4127

11-13-2021, 11:43 PM

SDSU has a non qualifying win, they NEED to win

Cheer for UND they are out regardless IMO

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The truth of the matter tho is that SDSU is easily a top-10 FCS team.

BisManBison

11-13-2021, 11:44 PM

SDSU has a non qualifying win, they NEED to win

Cheer for UND they are out regardless IMO

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Certainly wouldn’t put SDSU in ahead of UND if they both have 6 D-1 wins would the committee? Tall order for UND but you never know.

tjbison

11-13-2021, 11:48 PM

The truth of the matter tho is that SDSU is easily a top-10 FCS team.Totally agree, but unfortunately there are a host of teams with better records, they will be in if they win next week no question but playing Opening round, a loss...nope all my opinion

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tjbison

11-13-2021, 11:48 PM

Certainly wouldn’t put SDSU in ahead of UND if they both have 6 D-1 wins would the committee? Tall order for UND but you never know.I think neither make it if bubbles wins next week.

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DCinOK

11-14-2021, 12:10 AM

https://twitter.com/i/status/1459653509100421121

Watch this view of the USD win.

EC8CH

11-14-2021, 12:16 AM

Hammerhead

11-14-2021, 12:22 AM

https://twitter.com/i/status/1459653509100421121

Watch this view of the USD win.

That play was so miraculous one guy was running with crutches up in the air.

DCinOK

11-14-2021, 12:28 AM

That play was so miraculous one guy was running with crutches up in the air.

Yep..and the guy who caught it, #2, drops the ball after scoring and #13 picks it up, runs with it and celebrates while everyone mobs HIM, thinking #13 must have caught it. Completely stole #2s glory.

tjbison

11-14-2021, 12:29 AM

That play was so miraculous one guy was running with crutches up in the air.

And SDSU players were laying on the turf with cramps

westnodak93bison

11-14-2021, 12:33 AM

https://twitter.com/i/status/1459653509100421121

Watch this view of the USD win.Thats just too bad

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dryash83

11-14-2021, 12:38 AM

Thats just too bad

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bison22

11-14-2021, 12:53 AM

Would be pretty phenomenal to watch sdsu not making playoffs from a botched game ending mishap after being rated "4th" in the nation this morning

IzzyFlexion

11-14-2021, 01:12 AM

This fall, NDSU has 6 guys with 50+ yards on a single carry.

Also, the team's leading rusher for the season is still Q. Patterson (w, sack yardage thrown out).

Bison03

11-14-2021, 02:33 AM

Well, despite their pathetic begging, College Gameday not heading to Missoula next week but to Columbus. No surprise.

SoCalBison

11-14-2021, 05:22 AM

Loved the play calls today. Felt like a different game than the rest of the season. Keep it up Tyler.

SDbison

11-14-2021, 10:41 AM

Loved the play calls today. Felt like a different game than the rest of the season. Keep it up Tyler.
Need to add, Keep it up Tyler in the second half too! Short passes can be in the mix when you have a big lead.

southcliffbison

11-14-2021, 12:42 PM

That play was so miraculous one guy was running with crutches up in the air.

The guy with crutches is the person who told his boss he had hurt his knee Friday and couldn't come in to work on Saturday.

southcliffbison

11-14-2021, 12:45 PM

SDSU has a non qualifying win, they NEED to win

Cheer for UND they are out regardless IMO

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It is just too bad that both teams can't lose.

Gully

11-14-2021, 12:54 PM

NDSU92

11-14-2021, 12:58 PM

I asked Dom Izzo via Twitter before the game what happens in the unlikely event SDSU lost to USD and UND....he felt they'd still be in with just 6 DI wins. I guess it depends on who else wins / loses.

Lmao what? There isn’t an ice cubes chance in hell they’d be in.

scottietohottie

11-14-2021, 01:00 PM

Lmao what? There isn’t an ice cubes chance in hell they’d be in.

Bahahahaha. This is fcs bro.

garbageman

11-14-2021, 01:15 PM

It is just too bad that both teams can't lose.

I totally agree maybe both programs should forfeit season

No_Skill

11-14-2021, 01:34 PM

I wonder what the odds are that they'll end up on our side of the bracket?

WeAreThePride

11-14-2021, 01:51 PM

Lmao what? There isn’t an ice cubes chance in hell they’d be in.

They have a Bison win on their belt. That's worth three wins against Northwest Southern Central Community College of Eastern Charlotte.

NDSU_grad

11-14-2021, 01:54 PM

Lmao what? There isn’t an ice cubes chance in hell they’d be in.
Jacks are in regardless what happens this coming week. FBS win+ beating the Bison. They’re a lock.

oldmantutters

11-14-2021, 01:57 PM

Jacks are in regardless what happens this coming week. FBS win+ beating the Bison. They’re a lock.Wouldn't that be 4 losses in 5 weeks for them?

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westnodak93bison

11-14-2021, 02:19 PM

It is just too bad that both teams can't lose.Tie?

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NDSU_grad

11-14-2021, 03:32 PM

Wouldn't that be 4 losses in 5 weeks for them?

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3 losses in 5 weeks. They were riding high on a 2 game winning streak coming into yesterday.

NDSU_grad

11-14-2021, 03:33 PM

Wouldn't that be 4 losses in 5 weeks for them?

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Just to be clear I’m not saying I think they deserve to be in; I just think the committee will view them as a lock.

THEsocalledfan

11-14-2021, 03:50 PM

Just to be clear I’m not saying I think they deserve to be in; I just think the committee will view them as a lock.

I also think they would get in. Hard to leave out a team who throttled Colorado St and beat NDSU, and lost 2 kind of fluky games, particularly with how weak some of the other conferences are.

tjbison

11-14-2021, 03:56 PM

I asked Dom Izzo via Twitter before the game what happens in the unlikely event SDSU lost to USD and UND....he felt they'd still be in with just 6 DI wins. I guess it depends on who else wins / loses.

Lol..dom is hoping for a re match and grasping straws

tjbison

11-14-2021, 03:57 PM

I wonder what the odds are that they'll end up on our side of the bracket?

1000% no questions asked, they will lower NDSU's seed if they have to

tjbison

11-14-2021, 03:59 PM

Jacks are in regardless what happens this coming week. FBS win+ beating the Bison. They’re a lock.

Disagree, committee would love to eliminate a Valley team, again all IMO but also I don't see UND beating them so its all moot point

Battle of the trick plays this Saturday

Wally

11-14-2021, 04:05 PM

I wonder what the odds are that they'll end up on our side of the bracket?

We will see how much pull Matt Larsen has in the committee room

Professor Chaos

11-14-2021, 04:05 PM

1000% no questions asked, they will lower NDSU's seed if they have to
This same thing was said about 857,000 times on this board before the 2019 bracket came out.

We will see how much pull Matt Larsen has in the committee room
I really hope you're kidding.

tjbison

11-14-2021, 04:24 PM

This same thing was said about 857,000 times on this board before the 2019 bracket came out.

I really hope you're kidding.

We will see

BisManBison

11-14-2021, 04:45 PM

tony

11-14-2021, 05:34 PM

ndsubison1

11-14-2021, 05:38 PM

I asked Dom Izzo via Twitter before the game what happens in the unlikely event SDSU lost to USD and UND....he felt they'd still be in with just 6 DI wins. I guess it depends on who else wins / loses.

I think UNI would get in with 6. Beating Sdsu, SIU, Sac St and playing Iowa St tough and also playing us.

BisManBison

11-14-2021, 05:57 PM

Teams that aren't above .500 in their conference don't belong in the playoffs unless they went 3-0 non-conference and beat a P5 school and/or a seeded FCS team.

If SDSU wins, Valley gets 5 in. If they lose, SDSU, UND, and UNI will all have 6 qualifying wins and be 4-4 in the conference. Does SDSU get in ahead of both UNI and UND having lost to both? This assumes UNI beats WIU of course and that would be UNI doing UNI things to lose that game lol.

ndsubison1

11-14-2021, 06:02 PM

And Missouri State would be 8-3 with a win next week

1st&TennBison

11-14-2021, 06:23 PM

Who does Matt go to bay for if the Fhawkers win? Both teams don’t get in if UND wins do they? But how do you leave UND out if they both have 6 wins and UND beats the jackasses at home? Either way the gnashing of teeth will be enjoyable, particularly more enjoyable if they are both left out.

I am sure that SDSU gets in even if they lose, but barely. However, if the selection committee follows the rankings ideas after SDSU beat NDSU and many had them ranked higher than the Bison you have to then rank UND above SDSU, and leave them out. Sure, SDSU beat CSU, but CSU has had a horrible year and only have 3 wins, so that does not say much. SDSU outside of the NDSU win has not done very well against teams in the top half of the MVFC.

tony

11-14-2021, 06:51 PM

If SDSU wins, Valley gets 5 in. If they lose, SDSU, UND, and UNI will all have 6 qualifying wins and be 4-4 in the conference. Does SDSU get in ahead of both UNI and UND having lost to both? This assumes UNI beats WIU of course and that would be UNI doing UNI things to lose that game lol.

Yeah, I'd say that first scenario is the only one in which the Valley gets five teams in. So, no, SDSU shouldn't get in ahead of UNI and UND because none of them would belong in the playoffs. That said, the committee loves the Bunnies.

I say this knowing full well that NDSU got into the playoffs as the third MVFC team after a .500 conference season back in 2010. However, even though NDSU went into the playoffs as the 3rd MVFC team, beat a P5, went undefeated in the OOC, no NDSU fans would have complained if NDSU had gotten left out.

tjbison

11-14-2021, 07:37 PM

Yeah, I'd say that first scenario is the only one in which the Valley gets five teams in. So, no, SDSU shouldn't get in ahead of UNI and UND because none of them would belong in the playoffs. That said, the committee loves the Bunnies.

I say this knowing full well that NDSU got into the playoffs as the third MVFC team after a .500 conference season back in 2010. However, even though NDSU went into the playoffs as the 3rd MVFC team, beat a P5, went undefeated in the OOC, no NDSU fans would have complained if NDSU had gotten left out..500 MVFC team belongs way more than ETSU and others, hell i still say any MVFC team gives SHSU a run

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scottietohottie

11-14-2021, 07:40 PM

Win the valley twice bro

That's fcs football eh

6 teams in the playoffs

Cool

X-Factor

11-14-2021, 08:44 PM

Lmao what? There isn’t an ice cubes chance in hell they’d be in.

exactly. just because they blew their wad against NDSU (yet again) doesn't mean they are better than their record indicates.

Bison 4 Life

11-14-2021, 09:50 PM

I don't know why anyone ever cares how many teams the Valley get is. I only care if one team gets in.

tjbison

11-14-2021, 10:26 PM

I don't know why anyone ever cares how many teams the Valley get is. I only care if one team gets in.

Because playoffs are way more fun playing good games, not blowouts, but yes I do agree

Just sad seeing the National voters try to rationalize shitty teams records because they love to pump the little guys

TAILG8R

11-14-2021, 10:44 PM

Because playoffs are way more fun playing good games, not blowouts, but yes I do agree

Just sad seeing the National voters try to rationalize shitty teams records because they love to pump the little guys

I actually think they truly don't understand the level of play is as drastically different from conference to conference.

stevdock

11-14-2021, 11:52 PM

CAS4127

11-14-2021, 11:56 PM

Say that the Valley gets 4, 5, or 6 teams in the playoffs and the committee puts all of them on NDSU's side of the bracket, since I don't think anybody else is going to get seeded. Will that be the final straw of FCS football for NDSU? Sorry for hi-jacking another thread for FBS crap, but I don't want to see all the teams from our conference in the playoffs.

Meh ... committee has done a fair job in last few years IMO. Things could change, but I’m not about to worry about it at this point. NDSU gets plenty of respect.

NDSU92

11-15-2021, 12:21 AM

I actually think they truly don't understand the level of play is as drastically different from conference to conference.

You’re absolutely spot on. I’ve seen coaches from the Big Sky and CAA both refer to their conferences as The SEC of FCS this year

gavin2126

11-15-2021, 12:45 AM

Say that the Valley gets 4, 5, or 6 teams in the playoffs and the committee puts all of them on NDSU's side of the bracket, since I don't think anybody else is going to get seeded. Will that be the final straw of FCS football for NDSU? Sorry for hi-jacking another thread for FBS crap, but I don't want to see all the teams from our conference in the playoffs.

I think Missouri State has a pretty good shot of snagging a seed

Professor Chaos

11-15-2021, 01:38 AM

Say that the Valley gets 4, 5, or 6 teams in the playoffs and the committee puts all of them on NDSU's side of the bracket, since I don't think anybody else is going to get seeded. Will that be the final straw of FCS football for NDSU? Sorry for hi-jacking another thread for FBS crap, but I don't want to see all the teams from our conference in the playoffs.
Any conference with 5 or more playoff teams can't have all their teams on one side of the bracket. The rule was implemented after all 5 MVFC playoff teams were on the same side of the bracket in 2015.

Bisonwinagn

11-15-2021, 03:21 AM

Any conference with 5 or more playoff teams can't have all their teams on one side of the bracket. The rule was implemented after all 5 MVFC playoff teams were on the same side of the bracket in 2015.

Will be some great MVFC vs Big sky games the first round. Like SDSU at Montana and similar. While the CAA gets to play shit teams the first two rounds.

Twincitybizon

11-15-2021, 04:39 AM

Will be some great MVFC vs Big sky games the first round. Like SDSU at Montana and similar. While the CAA gets to play shit teams the first two rounds.

Yeah but they lose those games sometimes, which is hilarious

WeAreThePride

11-15-2021, 10:01 AM

Meh ... committee has done a fair job in last few years IMO. Things could change, but I’m not about to worry about it at this point. NDSU gets plenty of respect.

Yep, the committee rarely makes egregious mistakes. If our biggest complaint is that we were a 3 seed in '15, then we really don't have that much to whine about. As for meeting SDSU so many times, well. Regionalization is a thing. We can dislike it if we want, but it exists anyway.

ZHerd

11-15-2021, 12:00 PM

In regards to the game, much better job offensively. Nice to see the run game (big back in particular) perform well. Defensively pass coverage could have been better but they didn’t allow a ton of points. I think USD will be tough

bisonaudit

11-15-2021, 01:04 PM

Yep, the committee rarely makes egregious mistakes. If our biggest complaint is that we were a 3 seed in '15, then we really don't have that much to whine about. As for meeting SDSU so many times, well. Regionalization is a thing. We can dislike it if we want, but it exists anyway.

The committee makes mistakes all of the time. Just because we’ve been good enough to ignore them or only be indirectly affected by them doesn’t mean that they don’t happen.

WeAreThePride

11-15-2021, 01:09 PM

The committee makes mistakes all of the time. Just because we’ve been good enough to ignore them or only be indirectly affected by them doesn’t mean that they don’t happen.

Not serious mistakes. As far as I'm concerned, if you're between 17 and 24 you should be grateful you even made the field. 25-28 have nobody to blame but themselves.

Seeding order doesn't matter. Not the way it's made out to.

NDSU92

11-15-2021, 01:16 PM

The committee makes mistakes all of the time. Just because we’ve been good enough to ignore them or only be indirectly affected by them doesn’t mean that they don’t happen.

I was pretty young, but I remember back when BCS was still in effect and people complained that computers shouldn't decide our championship.

Instead now we have non-expert humans bringing in politics and conflicted interests to make decisions behind closed doors with little to no analytical support.

bisonaudit

11-15-2021, 01:20 PM

NDSU92

11-15-2021, 01:24 PM

Not serious mistakes. As far as I'm concerned, if you're between 17 and 24 you should be grateful you even made the field. 25-28 have nobody to blame but themselves.

Seeding order doesn't matter. Not the way it's made out to.

What counts as a serious mistake? Leaving two or more teams home every year that deserve to go but don't because of ineptitude or politics seems major to me.

Screwing up home/away is roughly a 5 or 6 point swing. Screwing up seed vs. non-seed is like a 7-9 point swing. Is starting the game with an extra 7 or 9 points not a major thing?

Even then, just because there's a bloated playoff system doesn't mean we should just make it arbitrary. At the end of the day it may have helped us win a couple more championships so it's tough to complain.

scottietohottie

11-15-2021, 01:28 PM

I'm just glad they can't put all 6 valley teams on one side of the bracket. This way we can play siu in Frisco.

bisonaudit

11-15-2021, 01:30 PM

I was pretty young, but I remember back when BCS was still in effect and people complained that computers shouldn't decide our championship.

Instead now we have non-expert humans bringing in politics and conflicted interests to make decisions behind closed doors with little to no analytical support.

The whole anti computer argument is dumb. Computers, especially then, don’t decide anything. People decide what’s important and the computer does math. It’s like a craftsman blaming their tools. Also, they never let the computers “decide” anything it was, if I remember correctly always 2/3 polls and they put such ridiculous constraints on the factors they allowed the algorithm designers to use that it was always a farce. At least they’ve stopped scapegoating machines for their own shortcomings.

bisonaudit

11-15-2021, 01:34 PM

I'm just glad they can't put all 6 valley teams on one side of the bracket. This way we can play siu in Frisco.

The Valley is not getting 6 teams into the playoff.

Kevin

11-15-2021, 01:36 PM

The Valley is not getting 6 teams into the playoff.

I agree bro they’re getting 8 teams in minimum.

Just not und.

scottietohottie

11-15-2021, 01:40 PM

The Valley is not getting 6 teams into the playoff.

Maybe not this year but it's coming bro.

bisonaudit

11-15-2021, 01:43 PM

Maybe not this year but it's coming bro.

Can’t come soon enough.

scottietohottie

11-15-2021, 01:43 PM

I mean how could the committee leave out the defending spring runner up champions?

It ain't going to happen. They beat the heard and some fbs stoners!

scottietohottie

11-15-2021, 01:44 PM

Can’t come soon enough.

I definitely don't have this problem bro.

gavin2126

11-15-2021, 01:53 PM

Can’t come soon enough.

That is NOT what she said

Professor Chaos

11-15-2021, 02:00 PM

NDSU92

11-15-2021, 02:16 PM

I can understand the concern that politics play a part in it... it absolutely does but there's really no way around it. But if you think they're making decisions with little to no analytical support you're not paying attention to how the selection process works.

If you think they're using analytics to any meaningful degree you're not paying attention to the mid-season rankings they've put out in years past.

Balancing W/L records, wins against FBS and non-counters, who beat more playoff teams and conference championships. None of these are analytics. They might be using a SOS metric, but I highly doubt it's a good one.

There have been years where FCS teams ranked in the 30's of FCS in Sagarin have gotten an at large bid. To no surprise at least one year it was New Hampshire, while the AD was the chair of the frickin committee. I do believe it's been many times where NH was 7-4 or 6-5 and jumped many deserving teams to get a place in the playoffs.

There absolutely are ways around it, they just require more work than the current system.

WeAreThePride

11-15-2021, 02:25 PM

What counts as a serious mistake? Leaving two or more teams home every year that deserve to go but don't because of ineptitude or politics seems major to me.

Screwing up home/away is roughly a 5 or 6 point swing. Screwing up seed vs. non-seed is like a 7-9 point swing. Is starting the game with an extra 7 or 9 points not a major thing?

Even then, just because there's a bloated playoff system doesn't mean we should just make it arbitrary. At the end of the day it may have helped us win a couple more championships so it's tough to complain.

At some point you have to win your damn games. It's okay to have two good losses. Have 4 good losses, well. How good were they really?

tony

11-15-2021, 02:49 PM

The Valley is not getting 6 teams into the playoff.

And why would we want 6 MVFC teams in the playoffs? I mean, if folks are big fans of replaying the regular season in the playoffs, I could understand it, but I have a hard time believing those fans exist.

Sure, it could happen if you had more than five 7+ win teams in the the MVFC, but I'd sure rather play new teams in the playoffs. There is a huge misconception that because MVFC teams play NDSU tough that this somehow makes them good. That is not necessarily the case - they are merely better prepared to play the Bison.

Professor Chaos

11-15-2021, 03:19 PM

If you think they're using analytics to any meaningful degree you're not paying attention to the mid-season rankings they've put out in years past.

Balancing W/L records, wins against FBS and non-counters, who beat more playoff teams and conference championships. None of these are analytics. They might be using a SOS metric, but I highly doubt it's a good one.

There have been years where FCS teams ranked in the 30's of FCS in Sagarin have gotten an at large bid. To no surprise at least one year it was New Hampshire, while the AD was the chair of the frickin committee. I do believe it's been many times where NH was 7-4 or 6-5 and jumped many deserving teams to get a place in the playoffs.

There absolutely are ways around it, they just require more work than the current system.
The don't use Sagarin but they use a computer rating system called SRS. The details on how that is computed:

The NCAA Division I Football Championship Committee will use the NCAA Simple Rating System (NCAA SRS) as a tool for evaluating teams for selection into the 24-team championship.
The NCAA SRS is a ranking system used to gauge team quality. Within the NCAA SRS, the rating of a team will be calculated largely by two components: a strength-of-schedule measure (SOS) and a win-loss differential (WL).

A team’s SOS measure is simply the average NCAA SRS rating of that team’s opponents for the season.

A team’s WL measure factors whether a game was won or lost; the location of the game (home/away/neutral site); and the NCAA (sub)division of the opponent.

1. In a game between two FCS teams played at a neutral site, the winning team gets one point and the losing team loses one point.

2. In a game between two FCS teams played at a non-neutral site, a home win counts 0.75 for the home team and -0.75 for the losing team. A road team win counts 1.25 for the visiting team and -1.25 for the home team. In other words, there is a bonus/penalty of +/- 0.25 for the home/away teams depending on the outcome.

3. An additional bonus/penalty of +/- 0.1 is added/deducted for games that FCS teams play against FBS/non-Division I opponents. For instance, a home FCS win against a Division II opponent counts only as +0.65 points (0.75 for a home win - 0.1 penalty for playing a Division II opponent). In addition, a road FCS win against an FBS opponent counts +1.35 points for the FCS team (1.25 points for a road win + 0.1 bonus for beating an FBS opponent).

4. The WL measure is then doubled to equalize the contributions of the WL factor and SOS factor toward a team’s NCAA SRS rating.

5. Margin of victory will be factored into a team’s NCAA SRS rating. This component is capped at 21 points.

The teams’ ratings are independent in that one team’s rating depends on its opponents’ ratings, which depend on their opponents’ ratings, etc., based on the “network” of college football games played each week during the football season. The NCAA SRS will also standardize the data in order to equalize the variance in total number of games played (i.e., 11 or 12 regular-season games).

Games against Division III or non-NCAA opponents are not factored into any team’s NCAA SRS rating.

The time of the season in which a game is played (early-season versus late-season games) is also not factored into a team’s NCAA SRS rating.

The NCAA SRS will not “force select” any teams into the championship; rather, it is one of several resources that the Division I Football Championship Committee will have at its disposal when debating the merits of teams under consideration for championship selection.
The NCAA Division I Football Championship Committee will begin reviewing NCAA SRS data during the later portion of the football season as it prepares for championship selections. At that time, NCAA SRS rankings may also be posted on the NCAA website (www.ncaa.com/fcs (http://www.ncaa.com/fcs))
The bolded is important to note since this is only one of the tools they use and does not automatically qualify or disqualify anyone. I've heard committee chairs in the past say they use this mostly for evaluating SOS.

As far as their mid-season rankings go I agree the first one they put out in 2016 was terrible. If you listened to an interview the committee chair that year gave to Fargo media it's easy to figure out why. He said they voted before they had ever met as a group. I believe that first ranking was released in mid-October and was right after NDSU lost to SDSU that year. They typically only meet with their regional sub-committees at that point where they only review teams in their specific region and hadn't met yet as a full committee. If you recall (which most don't), their 2nd set of rankings they released two weeks after that were much improved I'd assume because they had actually met to discuss all the teams nationally before they voted when they got the backlash from their first set of rankings (mainly from the Fargo area). Ever since then I feel like their midseason rankings has been reasonably good and by the time they've had a chance to sit down in a room with each other and review/discuss teams from all regions I think their rankings have always been fairly reasonable once the final bracket is released.

I do wish they would continue releasing those midseason rankings since they announced they weren't doing that this year. However, I can say with a high degree of confidence that those ADs on the selection committee take their responsibility very seriously and put in a ton of work over the last few weeks of the regular season to be as fair and informed as possible. Give a listen to some of the interviews members of the committee give on the entire selection process. It isn't perfect but it's a lot better than some on you on here give it credit for.

NDSU92

11-15-2021, 03:42 PM

The don't use Sagarin but they use a computer rating system called SRS. The details on how that is computed:

The bolded is important to note since this is only one of the tools they use and does not automatically qualify or disqualify anyone. I've heard committee chairs in the past say they use this mostly for evaluating SOS.

As far as their mid-season rankings go I agree the first one they put out in 2016 was terrible. If you listened to an interview the committee chair that year gave to Fargo media it's easy to figure out why. He said they voted before they had ever met as a group. I believe that first ranking was released in mid-October and was right after NDSU lost to SDSU that year. They typically only meet with their regional sub-committees at that point where they only review teams in their specific region and hadn't met yet as a full committee. If you recall (which most don't), their 2nd set of rankings they released two weeks after that were much improved I'd assume because they had actually met to discuss all the teams nationally before they voted when they got the backlash from their first set of rankings (mainly from the Fargo area). Ever since then I feel like their midseason rankings has been reasonably good and by the time they've had a chance to sit down in a room with each other and review/discuss teams from all regions I think their rankings have always been fairly reasonable once the final bracket is released.

I do wish they would continue releasing those midseason rankings since they announced they weren't doing that this year. However, I can say with a high degree of confidence that those ADs on the selection committee take their responsibility very seriously and put in a ton of work over the last few weeks of the regular season to be as fair and informed as possible. Give a listen to some of the interviews members of the committee give on the entire selection process. It isn't perfect but it's a lot better than some on you on here give it credit for.

Lol SRS is terrible. I have no doubt the members of the committee are working hard/or at least say they are. AD's are career PR specialists they can spin anything how they want. I mean it's literally their job. I just don't think any of the outcomes are any good. Why put out a mid-season ranking if they're just going to half-ass it like that? That shows horrible vision and leadership. The answer is they thought no one would really care and got caught with their pants down when 1,000 bison fans on twitter spit roasted them for it.

As far as the rest, I understood/understand pretty much everything you posted. Do you think the current system is the best way to do it? Do you think it's truly fair to the bubble teams?

The way I see it, it's a non-expert committee, containing members with conflicting interests, that is purposefully using a blunted tool (sorry Audit, stealing your analogy) because they can't explain more complex systems that are better suited for this.

Professor Chaos

11-15-2021, 04:22 PM

Lol SRS is terrible. I have no doubt the members of the committee are working hard/or at least say they are. AD's are career PR specialists they can spin anything how they want. I mean it's literally their job. I just don't think any of the outcomes are any good. Why put out a mid-season ranking if they're just going to half-ass it like that? That shows horrible vision and leadership. The answer is they thought no one would really care and got caught with their pants down when 1,000 bison fans on twitter spit roasted them for it.

As far as the rest, I understood/understand pretty much everything you posted. Do you think the current system is the best way to do it? Do you think it's truly fair to the bubble teams?

The way I see it, it's a non-expert committee, containing members with conflicting interests, that is purposefully using a blunted tool (sorry Audit, stealing your analogy) because they can't explain more complex systems that are better suited for this.
There could be improvements to who is on the selection committee... but you'll have to pay for it. I think if you're on the bubble of a 24 team playoff you're not entitled to anything. No matter what system you come up with short of putting every team into the playoffs there's always going to be teams that feel they got screwed.

There are a bunch of things I'd like to change about the playoffs before changing the selection committee process, namely doing away with inter-conference games until at least the quarters or even better seeding the entire field.

WeAreThePride

11-15-2021, 04:35 PM

There could be improvements to who is on the selection committee... but you'll have to pay for it. I think if you're on the bubble of a 24 team playoff you're not entitled to anything. No matter what system you come up with short of putting every team into the playoffs there's always going to be teams that feel they got screwed.

There are a bunch of things I'd like to change about the playoffs before changing the selection committee process, namely doing away with inter-conference games until at least the quarters or even better seeding the entire field.

This is what I try to tell fans of FBS that want expansion. There will be no reduction in any way, shape, or form in the amount of media and social media outrage as to who gets in or who is left out.

4 teams is probably too few. 24 teams is probably too many. But how many times has a deserving team been excluding from the postseason? Once every five years? Every ten? In the FCS it's never. No deserving team has ever been left out of the 24 team FCS playoff. They could cut it down to 8 teams and still include 95% of championship caliber teams over the years.

NDSU92

11-15-2021, 04:41 PM

There could be improvements to who is on the selection committee... but you'll have to pay for it. I think if you're on the bubble of a 24 team playoff you're not entitled to anything. No matter what system you come up with short of putting every team into the playoffs there's always going to be teams that feel they got screwed.

There are a bunch of things I'd like to change about the playoffs before changing the selection committee process, namely doing away with inter-conference games until at least the quarters or even better seeding the entire field.

Whether there are 2 teams or 64 teams making the playoff field, it should be done fairly. I guess that's my point. Every team in the subdivision is entitled to the playoffs being set up fairly.

If your argument is that those on the bubble don't belong anyways, then you're arguing for a smaller playoff bracket. At the end of the day my guess is we probably want the same thing: 16 teams seeded similar to basketball. Since we won't ever get that, we might as well ask for them to do as good of a job with the playoff structure they have.

NDSU92

11-15-2021, 04:42 PM

This is what I try to tell fans of FBS that want expansion. There will be no reduction in any way, shape, or form in the amount of media and social media outrage as to who gets in or who is left out.

4 teams is probably too few. 24 teams is probably too many. But how many times has a deserving team been excluding from the postseason? Once every five years? Every ten? In the FCS it's never. No deserving team has ever been left out of the 24 team FCS playoff. They could cut it down to 8 teams and still include 95% of championship caliber teams over the years.

Too lazy to look, but at the FCS level we probably could've gotten away with just having the title game at the conclusion of the regular season for the last 10 years :)

WeAreThePride

11-15-2021, 04:50 PM

Too lazy to look, but at the FCS level we probably could've gotten away with just having the title game at the conclusion of the regular season for the last 10 years :)

I remember I looked back at the history of the FCS playoffs. I think it was a full ten years up until that point where the champ had been a top 4 seed, and only 2 or 3 of the title game losers had not been a top 8 seed.

EC8CH

11-15-2021, 04:55 PM

I remember I looked back at the history of the FCS playoffs. I think it was a full ten years up until that point where the champ had been a top 4 seed, and only 2 or 3 of the title game losers had not been a top 8 seed.

Towson and Youngstown we're surprises, but they both lost.

Professor Chaos

11-15-2021, 05:26 PM

Whether there are 2 teams or 64 teams making the playoff field, it should be done fairly. I guess that's my point. Every team in the subdivision is entitled to the playoffs being set up fairly.

If your argument is that those on the bubble don't belong anyways, then you're arguing for a smaller playoff bracket. At the end of the day my guess is we probably want the same thing: 16 teams seeded similar to basketball. Since we won't ever get that, we might as well ask for them to do as good of a job with the playoff structure they have.
I think they are reasonably fair. You can't just take Sagarin ratings and set the field that way. You can't just take W-L record and set the field that way either. Is UND better than some of the teams that will get at-large bids? Probably but when you lose every game you play against teams that do make the playoffs you have no basis to complain about being left out.

The committee has shown more forgiveness for losses in the MVFC than in any other conference. I believe 4 MVFC teams have now made the playoffs with 5 losses. Every other conference has zero. The last time the top MVFC team was seeded lower than 2nd was 2010 (and that's not just NDSU - SDSU and Illinois St have contributed to that as well). No other conference has even done that 2 years in a row in the same timeframe. Last spring the selection committee gave the MVFC 4 out of the 6 total at-large bids despite hardly any OOC games to base it off of.

bisonaudit

11-15-2021, 05:27 PM

This is what I try to tell fans of FBS that want expansion. There will be no reduction in any way, shape, or form in the amount of media and social media outrage as to who gets in or who is left out.

4 teams is probably too few. 24 teams is probably too many. But how many times has a deserving team been excluding from the postseason? Once every five years? Every ten? In the FCS it's never. No deserving team has ever been left out of the 24 team FCS playoff. They could cut it down to 8 teams and still include 95% of championship caliber teams over the years.

Maybe. FCS isn’t as deep at the top, even after us, especially anymore, and one of the guys at fivethirtyeight says that according to their Elo ratings a 12 team field at the FBS level gives you a 90% chance of including the best team in the post season.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-12-team-college-football-playoff-would-be-big-enough-90-percent-of-the-time/

GreenfieldBison

11-15-2021, 06:58 PM

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Gully

11-16-2021, 01:20 AM

I think they are reasonably fair. You can't just take Sagarin ratings and set the field that way. You can't just take W-L record and set the field that way either. Is UND better than some of the teams that will get at-large bids? Probably but when you lose every game you play against teams that do make the playoffs you have no basis to complain about being left out.

The committee has shown more forgiveness for losses in the MVFC than in any other conference. I believe 4 MVFC teams have now made the playoffs with 5 losses. Every other conference has zero. The last time the top MVFC team was seeded lower than 2nd was 2010 (and that's not just NDSU - SDSU and Illinois St have contributed to that as well). No other conference has even done that 2 years in a row in the same timeframe. Last spring the selection committee gave the MVFC 4 out of the 6 total at-large bids despite hardly any OOC games to base it off of.

What would be so bad about using Sagarin? It's purely score based on not subject to anyone's opinion.

Professor Chaos

11-16-2021, 01:50 AM

What would be so bad about using Sagarin? It's purely score based on not subject to anyone's opinion.
You'd have things that defy common sense just like if you solely used W/L record. Do you think UNI should be the #7 seed? Do you think the MVFC should have 5 of the 8 seeds. Unpopular opinion time for me but the computer ratings always favor teams from the best conferences because it's tough to impress a computer ranking when you have to win every week by 30+ because you're a good team playing in a bad conference. It's easy to impress a computer ranking when all you have to do is stay within 20 points of a team like NDSU or SDSU.

Computer ratings are a useful tool. They shouldn't be anything more than a tool in the toolbelt of a critically thinking human evaluating the quality of teams relative to each other. I'll await my tarring and feathering now....

THEsocalledfan

11-16-2021, 02:08 AM

You'd have things that defy common sense just like if you solely used W/L record. Do you think UNI should be the #7 seed? Do you think the MVFC should have 5 of the 8 seeds. Unpopular opinion time for me but the computer ratings always favor teams from the best conferences because it's tough to impress a computer ranking when you have to win every week by 30+ because you're a good team playing in a bad conference. It's easy to impress a computer ranking when all you have to do is stay within 20 points of a team like NDSU or SDSU.

Computer ratings are a useful tool. They shouldn't be anything more than a tool in the toolbelt of a critically thinking human evaluating the quality of teams relative to each other. I'll await my tarring and feathering now....

Sam Houston this year is a great example of your point..... they are super good.... folks who want to just rip on their competition are in denial....JMU on the other hand.... computer has about right.

NDSU92

11-16-2021, 02:19 AM

You'd have things that defy common sense just like if you solely used W/L record. Do you think UNI should be the #7 seed? Do you think the MVFC should have 5 of the 8 seeds. Unpopular opinion time for me but the computer ratings always favor teams from the best conferences because it's tough to impress a computer ranking when you have to win every week by 30+ because you're a good team playing in a bad conference. It's easy to impress a computer ranking when all you have to do is stay within 20 points of a team like NDSU or SDSU.

Computer ratings are a useful tool. They shouldn't be anything more than a tool in the toolbelt of a critically thinking human evaluating the quality of teams relative to each other. I'll await my tarring and feathering now....

I'd rather have UNI be a seed than Monmouth or whatever the committee will come up with. Why? Because they're better

NDSU92

11-16-2021, 02:23 AM

Sam Houston this year is a great example of your point..... they are super good.... folks who want to just rip on their competition are in denial....JMU on the other hand.... computer has about right.

I really don't get why you're so high on SHSU. Their schedule is completely worthless in trying to understand how they'll play against a good team.

THEsocalledfan

11-16-2021, 02:38 AM

I really don't get why you're so high on SHSU. Their schedule is completely worthless in trying to understand how they'll play against a good team.

Entire team is back. Pounding teams as they should. Not super complicated. I saw what I needed last spring.

BisonNeil

11-16-2021, 02:44 AM

BisonNeil

11-20-2021, 11:09 AM

Entire team is back. Pounding teams as they should. Not super complicated. I saw what I needed last spring.

We will see if this is true. OL has been up and down, pounding shit teams like YSU but struggling against better teams. If the OL can perform against defense as good as the Yotes have than I’ll agree with your assessment that they are “back”.

Hammerhead

11-20-2021, 01:53 PM

Conversely, it's hard to impress a computer ranking when the benchwarmers are on the field for much of the 2nd half so the margin of victory is smaller than it could have been.

You'd have things that defy common sense just like if you solely used W/L record. Do you think UNI should be the #7 seed? Do you think the MVFC should have 5 of the 8 seeds. Unpopular opinion time for me but the computer ratings always favor teams from the best conferences because it's tough to impress a computer ranking when you have to win every week by 30+ because you're a good team playing in a bad conference. It's easy to impress a computer ranking when all you have to do is stay within 20 points of a team like NDSU or SDSU.

Computer ratings are a useful tool. They shouldn't be anything more than a tool in the toolbelt of a critically thinking human evaluating the quality of teams relative to each other. I'll await my tarring and feathering now....