Nebraska is bad at football

[DePereBisonFan]

...And they desperately need to go back to the Big XII. The B1G move has been about as bad a conference move as it could have gone. Like on par with U Mass from FCS to FBS, but worse. They are no longer a national brand. They are on par with Rutgers. How the mighty have fallen.

I think a move back to the Big XII would help. It's good that Texas left, bad that Oklahoma left, but Nebraska going back there would be a win-win and keep P5 respect for the conference.

[marenlee]

They are so much of a dumpster fire right now they wouldn’t do any better in the BXII competition wise. Additionally they would take a huge revenue hit leaving behind the B10 money.


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[ByeSonBusiness]

They are so much of a dumpster fire right now they wouldn’t do any better in the BXII competition wise. Additionally they would take a huge revenue hit leaving behind the B10 money.


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Not sure what the answer is in Lincoln. Sad to see.

[Professor Chaos]

I think they should keep doing what they're doing and let guys like Easton Stick, Kyle Emanuel, Christian Dudzik, Jalen Allison, Nick DeLuca, and Cole Payton come up to Fargo to play ball. :)

[Yote 53]

Nebraska would be fools to move back to a conference that is imploding and will soon fall from the ranks of the Power conference and may dissolve completely.

Nebraska's issues have nothing to do with the Big Ten and actually predate their move to the conference. Their slide started when they were in the Big 12 and fired Frank Solich after a 10 win season for Bill Callahan. They then compounded the issue by firing Bo Pelini when all he did was consistently win 9+ games a season. Scott Frost was a bad hire you could see coming a mile away if you were paying attention. Nebraska just needs to make a solid coaching hire and temper their expectations so as not to run their next coach off when they hit a bumpy patch.

[tony]

Nebraska is a cautionary tale about an awesome but spoiled fanbase that killed their own program.

[DePereBisonFan]

Nebraska would be fools to move back to a conference that is imploding and will soon fall from the ranks of the Power conference and may dissolve completely.

Nebraska's issues have nothing to do with the Big Ten and actually predate their move to the conference. Their slide started when they were in the Big 12 and fired Frank Solich after a 10 win season for Bill Callahan. They then compounded the issue by firing Bo Pelini when all he did was consistently win 9+ games a season. Scott Frost was a bad hire you could see coming a mile away if you were paying attention. Nebraska just needs to make a solid coaching hire and temper their expectations so as not to run their next coach off when they hit a bumpy patch.

I think the Big XII will be fine.

I did not see Frost being a bad hire. I am curious - what were the signs? Honestly, I thought he would elevate Nebraska back to national title contender. I was obviously wrong.

[Professor Chaos]

Nebraska is a cautionary tale about an awesome but spoiled fanbase that killed their own program.
:nod:

Reminds me of a cringeworthy take I saw recently that suggested that Matt Entz would be on the hot seat if he didn't win a national title this fall.

[EC8CH]

Nebraska is a cautionary tale about an awesome but spoiled fanbase that killed their own program.

This would make for a compelling premise for a documentary. I'd tune in for the Craig Bohl segment alone.

[ByeSonBusiness]

I think the Big XII will be fine.

I did not see Frost being a bad hire. I am curious - what were the signs? Honestly, I thought he would elevate Nebraska back to national title contender. I was obviously wrong.

I figured Frost would be a good get for them. Proven coach at the G5 level. Played at Nebraska. Hell, maybe he will even turn things around.

Nebraska will never be the Nebraska of old. But they are capable of being a pretty good team.

[Kevin]

Bohl to Nebraska is the only solution.

[Yote 53]

I think the Big XII will be fine.

I did not see Frost being a bad hire. I am curious - what were the signs? Honestly, I thought he would elevate Nebraska back to national title contender. I was obviously wrong.

The Big 12 is toast as a Power conference. The projections are with Texas/Oklahoma leaving the TV money will drop from about $35 million per school to $12-15 million per school. There is not a potential candidate or candidates out there that projects to make up that difference. In fact, most candidates are just another mouth to feed. You don't just take a $20 million hit to your revenues and keep rolling along. There is a reason the Big 12 was not even contacted to be a part of the Alliance.

The warning signs on Scott Frost were that he only spent two seasons at UCF and his teams there were not the most disciplined but were able to overcome those issues in a weak AAC. His teams were also based on spread offenses that outscore opponents rather than playing strong defense. It was a philosophy that just doesn't fit with the style of play in the Big Ten (West especially). A style that a school like Nebraska given its location would have a hard time recruiting to. They need to play to their strengths of what recruits they have access to and pattern their program after Wisconsin, Iowa, even Northwestern and now Illinois. The guy was also arrogant talking about how the Big Ten would have to adjust to what HE was bringing to Nebraska not even realizing that his Oregon and UCF offense would be tougher to do at Nebraska. He was dubbed Scott Flop a week before he was even hired by a few Big Ten fan bases because you could see it coming that this wasn't going to work.

Turns out 4 years later he is still unable to adjust, basically admitted in his post game presser they were guessing against Illinois and couldn't adjust. Still are not physical as Bielema in game one at Illinois took that game over on the LOS in the 3/4 quarter and ran the ball right at the Husker D and they couldn't stop it.

[Yote 53]

Bohl to Nebraska is the only solution.

Nah. Chris Klieman would be a much better fit.

[Kevin]

Nah. Chris Klieman would be a much better fit.

That’d be a step down for klieman. I only see klieman going back to Iowa/Iowa state personally.

Plus bohl to Nebraska is a prophecy that must be fulfilled.

[oldmantutters]

I think the Big XII will be fine.

I did not see Frost being a bad hire. I am curious - what were the signs? Honestly, I thought he would elevate Nebraska back to national title contender. I was obviously wrong.

It's easy to say now, but it's a lot of the same things that we talk about around here during the couple openings that we have had. When you think of Nebraska, do you think of speedy fast guys all over the place playing playing sandlot football? Or is the image that you get power football with a bunch of big boys running the ball down your throat? To me it's the latter. IMO for a program to be successful you need to be honest with yourself and play to your strengths. Because attrition is really important and the more guys that you can recruit locally, whose parents grew up with Nebraska football, and who can get to games to support the team is important. Nebraska is farm country. Build around big farm boys and fill in the voids by expanding that recruiting footprint.

Frost was and is a spread finesse coach, who apparently hates teaching his teams disciplined football. I was hoping he would be a good hire, but was afraid that it may not work.

[Yote 53]

It's easy to say now, but it's a lot of the same things that we talk about around here during the couple openings that we have had. When you think of Nebraska, do you think of speedy fast guys all over the place playing playing sandlot football? Or is the image that you get power football with a bunch of big boys running the ball down your throat? To me it's the latter. IMO for a program to be successful you need to be honest with yourself and play to your strengths. Because attrition is really important and the more guys that you can recruit locally, whose parents grew up with Nebraska football, and who can get to games to support the team is important. Nebraska is farm country. Build around big farm boys and fill in the voids by expanding that recruiting footprint.

Frost was and is a spread finesse coach, who apparently hates teaching his teams disciplined football. I was hoping he would be a good hire, but was afraid that it may not work.

You relayed this better than I did. Yes to everything you just said. It was obvious to the fans of other Big Ten teams that what Frost was going to try to implement was not going to work for the exact reasons you just stated. National media people don't look at things the same way. Same with their talk of Matt Campbell and going to a place like USC. No way is that a good fit for him. Same with Bret Bielema going to the SEC. That was not a good fit for him. I think he will do well at Illinois though. Great fit. Illinois guy, Iowa grad, former Wisco coach. he knows every inch of that recruiting area, relationships with all the HS coaches in the area, above all, if you've listened to him speak lately the experience in Arkansas and his time away consulting in the NFL have really humbled the guy and he's approaching everything from a different place. Drunk, belligerent Bert appears to be gone.

[BISONBRI53]

nebraska is a cautionary tale about an awesome but spoiled fanbase that killed their own program.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

[1998braves64]

Then there is this comment... Seems like he got the shot at this because he was Nebraska alumni that won them a championship in his playing days. You'd think he would understand the fan base and using program history to his advantage. Can't imagine this comment sits well with the big boosters in year 4...


https://twitter.com/Steve_Marik/status/1432396888096006144?s=19



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[TAILG8R]

Then there is this comment... Seems like he got the shot at this because he was Nebraska alumni that won them a championship in his playing days. You'd think he would understand the fan base and using program history to his advantage. Can't imagine this comment sits well with the big boosters in year 4...


https://twitter.com/Steve_Marik/status/1432396888096006144?s=19



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I saw that the other day and just shook my head. MAYBE that's something you say as a high school coach but you can't say that as a college coach at any level.

[DePereBisonFan]

Then there is this comment... Seems like he got the shot at this because he was Nebraska alumni that won them a championship in his playing days. You'd think he would understand the fan base and using program history to his advantage. Can't imagine this comment sits well with the big boosters in year 4...


https://twitter.com/Steve_Marik/status/1432396888096006144?s=19



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What does that even mean?

I'm imagining, "Ok guys, we have a plan. As long as they don't line up in a certain formation, we will execute our plan. ...Crap, they lined up in that formation."

[IndyBison]

What does that even mean?

I'm imagining, "Ok guys, we have a plan. As long as they don't line up in a certain formation, we will execute our plan. ...Crap, they lined up in that formation."

More likely a situation where they game planned for the 5 or 6 different formations they expected the team to run based on past history and they suddenly ran their offense out of a completely different formation they didn't expect in half the play. For example, something like a triple option or empty backfield/spread.

[ByeSonBusiness]

More likely a situation where they game planned for the 5 or 6 different formations they expected the team to run based on past history and they suddenly ran their offense out of a completely different formation they didn't expect in half the play. For example, something like a triple option or empty backfield/spread.

Seems like the sort of thing that can happen in the first game of the year in particular.

[IndyBison]

Seems like the sort of thing that can happen in the first game of the year in particular.Especially when the other team has a new coach.

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[1998braves64]

Not saying that reality of it probably happens more than we think but to openly admit you got out coached has to be infuriating for a fan base.

Something similar to this probably happened to Klieman against Montana Aug 2015. But by December MT had no hope.

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[DePereBisonFan]

Illinois is following up their Nebraska win by losing at home to something called UTSA.