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THEsocalledfan
02-22-2021, 04:57 PM
FCS Top 25 per Sagarin (yes, many of these are not playing; hoping those will fall as the spring progresses (Audit, is that what will happen?))


65 North Dakota State AA = 71.34 2 0 50.91( 146) 0 0 | 0 0 | 69.83 71 | 73.15 53 | 70.28 58 MISSOURI VALLEY
84 South Dakota State AA = 66.76 1 0 62.29( 113) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.32 90 | 68.09 80 | 66.47 83 MISSOURI VALLEY
86 James Madison AA = 66.56 1 0 21.61( 160) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.26 86 | 66.90 84 | 65.81 84 COLONIAL
100 Weber State AA = 61.90 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.09 102 | 61.47 104 | 61.77 98 BIG SKY
102 Northern Iowa AA = 61.50 0 1 65.97( 96) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.22 101 | 61.02 106 | 60.30 104 MISSOURI VALLEY
103 Montana AA = 60.98 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.16 103 | 60.56 108 | 60.88 102 BIG SKY
108 Illinois State AA = 59.74 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.90 105 | 59.32 112 | 59.67 105 MISSOURI VALLEY
111 Eastern Washington AA = 59.49 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.65 109 | 59.08 114 | 59.43 106 BIG SKY
114 Princeton AA = 58.42 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.55 114 | 58.00 118 | 58.38 109 IVY LEAGUE
117 Villanova AA = 57.58 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.70 116 | 57.17 122 | 57.57 112 COLONIAL
118 Montana State AA = 57.50 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.62 117 | 57.09 123 | 57.49 114 BIG SKY
121 North Dakota AA = 56.92 1 0 49.63( 148) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.90 123 | 57.03 124 | 58.34 110 MISSOURI VALLEY
124 Furman AA = 56.04 1 0 31.52( 158) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.64 125 | 56.23 126 | 55.86 118 SOUTHERN
127 Dartmouth AA = 55.61 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.70 124 | 55.21 127 | 55.65 119 IVY LEAGUE
128 UC Davis AA = 54.87 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.95 128 | 54.48 133 | 54.93 120 BIG SKY
130 Towson AA = 54.64 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.71 130 | 54.24 134 | 54.70 121 COLONIAL
132 Wofford AA = 54.38 1 0 36.68( 157) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.56 134 | 55.01 129 | 54.11 125 SOUTHERN
133 Kennesaw State AA = 54.28 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.34 131 | 53.88 136 | 54.35 123 BIG SOUTH
134 South Dakota AA = 54.05 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.11 132 | 53.65 138 | 54.13 124 MISSOURI VALLEY
136 Sacramento State AA = 53.45 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.50 135 | 53.06 139 | 53.55 130 BIG SKY
139 Albany-NY AA = 52.66 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.71 139 | 52.28 145 | 52.78 134 COLONIAL
140 Sam Houston State AA = 52.59 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.63 140 | 52.20 146 | 52.71 135 SOUTHLAND
143 Youngstown State AA = 51.73 0 1 72.13( 57) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.84 141 | 51.48 148 | 51.40 140 MISSOURI VALLEY
144 Central Arkansas AA = 51.68 5 4 51.02( 145) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.09 143 | 52.31 143 | 50.92 142 SOUTHLAND
147 Delaware AA = 50.78 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.79 146 | 50.40 149 | 50.95 141 COLONIAL

reformedUNDfan
02-22-2021, 06:43 PM
7 of 11 Valley teams in the top 25

THEsocalledfan
02-22-2021, 09:10 PM
7 of 11 Valley teams in the top 25

And 1 is not even playing.....so kind of 7 of 10

Hammerhead
02-22-2021, 09:31 PM
7 of 11 Valley teams in the top 25

I would guess that there have been at lest 4 or 5 MFVC teams in the top 25 at the end of every season for several years.

bisonaudit
02-22-2021, 10:37 PM
I would guess that there have been at lest 4 or 5 MFVC teams in the top 25 at the end of every season for several years.

At least. Based on Sagarin the conference usually gets fewer playoff selections than it deserves so using that as a proxy rather than doing a comprehensive look back, I’d say you’re comfortably correct.

bisonaudit
02-22-2021, 10:40 PM
FCS Top 25 per Sagarin (yes, many of these are not playing; hoping those will fall as the spring progresses (Audit, is that what will happen?))


65 North Dakota State AA = 71.34 2 0 50.91( 146) 0 0 | 0 0 | 69.83 71 | 73.15 53 | 70.28 58 MISSOURI VALLEY
84 South Dakota State AA = 66.76 1 0 62.29( 113) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.32 90 | 68.09 80 | 66.47 83 MISSOURI VALLEY
86 James Madison AA = 66.56 1 0 21.61( 160) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.26 86 | 66.90 84 | 65.81 84 COLONIAL
100 Weber State AA = 61.90 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.09 102 | 61.47 104 | 61.77 98 BIG SKY
102 Northern Iowa AA = 61.50 0 1 65.97( 96) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.22 101 | 61.02 106 | 60.30 104 MISSOURI VALLEY
103 Montana AA = 60.98 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.16 103 | 60.56 108 | 60.88 102 BIG SKY
108 Illinois State AA = 59.74 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.90 105 | 59.32 112 | 59.67 105 MISSOURI VALLEY
111 Eastern Washington AA = 59.49 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.65 109 | 59.08 114 | 59.43 106 BIG SKY
114 Princeton AA = 58.42 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.55 114 | 58.00 118 | 58.38 109 IVY LEAGUE
117 Villanova AA = 57.58 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.70 116 | 57.17 122 | 57.57 112 COLONIAL
118 Montana State AA = 57.50 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.62 117 | 57.09 123 | 57.49 114 BIG SKY
121 North Dakota AA = 56.92 1 0 49.63( 148) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.90 123 | 57.03 124 | 58.34 110 MISSOURI VALLEY
124 Furman AA = 56.04 1 0 31.52( 158) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.64 125 | 56.23 126 | 55.86 118 SOUTHERN
127 Dartmouth AA = 55.61 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.70 124 | 55.21 127 | 55.65 119 IVY LEAGUE
128 UC Davis AA = 54.87 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.95 128 | 54.48 133 | 54.93 120 BIG SKY
130 Towson AA = 54.64 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.71 130 | 54.24 134 | 54.70 121 COLONIAL
132 Wofford AA = 54.38 1 0 36.68( 157) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.56 134 | 55.01 129 | 54.11 125 SOUTHERN
133 Kennesaw State AA = 54.28 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.34 131 | 53.88 136 | 54.35 123 BIG SOUTH
134 South Dakota AA = 54.05 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.11 132 | 53.65 138 | 54.13 124 MISSOURI VALLEY
136 Sacramento State AA = 53.45 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.50 135 | 53.06 139 | 53.55 130 BIG SKY
139 Albany-NY AA = 52.66 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.71 139 | 52.28 145 | 52.78 134 COLONIAL
140 Sam Houston State AA = 52.59 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.63 140 | 52.20 146 | 52.71 135 SOUTHLAND
143 Youngstown State AA = 51.73 0 1 72.13( 57) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.84 141 | 51.48 148 | 51.40 140 MISSOURI VALLEY
144 Central Arkansas AA = 51.68 5 4 51.02( 145) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.09 143 | 52.31 143 | 50.92 142 SOUTHLAND
147 Delaware AA = 50.78 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.79 146 | 50.40 149 | 50.95 141 COLONIAL

I have no idea.

THEsocalledfan
03-01-2021, 03:17 PM
Top 25 per Sagarin; weekend was so wonky, Sagarin doesn't even know how to process it! Suspect it will take a few weeks for the numbers to catch up.

88 South Dakota State AA = 66.17 1 1 63.85( 104) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.57 85 | 66.12 85 | 64.60 86 MISSOURI VALLEY
90 North Dakota State AA = 65.87 2 1 53.02( 151) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.96 90 | 69.67 73 | 59.44 106 MISSOURI VALLEY
94 Northern Iowa AA = 63.95 1 1 58.05( 129) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.15 93 | 63.67 96 | 63.29 93 MISSOURI VALLEY
97 James Madison AA = 63.32 2 0 24.72( 185) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.94 102 | 65.05 90 | 61.81 99 COLONIAL
100 Weber State AA = 62.21 1 0 43.57( 168) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.49 103 | 62.66 101 | 62.00 97 BIG SKY
101 North Dakota AA = 62.09 2 0 62.30( 111) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.86 98 | 58.26 116 | 69.10 69 MISSOURI VALLEY
106 Montana AA = 60.89 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.97 104 | 60.54 108 | 60.68 105 BIG SKY
109 Southern Illinois AA = 60.10 2 1 59.85( 121) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.32 106 | 57.86 118 | 64.11 88 MISSOURI VALLEY
114 Princeton AA = 58.32 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.36 115 | 57.98 117 | 58.19 109 IVY LEAGUE
117 Villanova AA = 57.49 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.51 116 | 57.15 123 | 57.38 113 COLONIAL
119 Montana State AA = 57.40 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.42 117 | 57.06 124 | 57.30 114 BIG SKY
123 South Dakota AA = 56.20 1 0 56.28( 137) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.31 131 | 57.30 122 | 57.19 115 MISSOURI VALLEY
126 Dartmouth AA = 55.52 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.51 126 | 55.18 127 | 55.47 118 IVY LEAGUE
127 Illinois State AA = 55.45 0 1 55.37( 139) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.25 123 | 55.22 126 | 53.31 133 MISSOURI VALLEY
129 Eastern Washington AA = 54.84 0 1 53.36( 148) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.73 124 | 54.60 133 | 52.55 139 BIG SKY
131 UC Davis AA = 54.78 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.76 129 | 54.45 135 | 54.75 119 BIG SKY
132 Towson AA = 54.54 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.52 130 | 54.21 136 | 54.52 121 COLONIAL
133 Kennesaw State AA = 54.18 1 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.15 132 | 53.85 139 | 54.17 123 BIG SOUTH
135 Furman AA = 53.88 1 1 35.81( 179) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.70 134 | 54.64 132 | 51.72 143 SOUTHERN
136 Sacramento State AA = 53.35 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.31 138 | 53.02 142 | 53.37 132 BIG SKY
139 Nicholls State AA = 52.94 2 0 31.01( 182) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.37 135 | 51.62 148 | 54.09 124 SOUTHLAND
140 Sam Houston State AA = 52.80 1 0 46.33( 161) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.21 145 | 53.99 138 | 52.86 136 SOUTHLAND
142 Albany-NY AA = 52.57 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.51 141 | 52.24 146 | 52.61 138 COLONIAL
144 Idaho AA = 52.52 1 0 54.01( 143) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.56 150 | 53.51 140 | 53.87 128 BIG SKY
145 Wofford AA = 52.11 1 1 44.87( 164) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.05 142 | 52.96 143 | 49.43 154 SOUTHERN

WeAreThePride
03-01-2021, 03:21 PM
I'm afraid to look.

Hammerhead
03-01-2021, 03:44 PM
duplicate post. Please ignore me

THEsocalledfan
03-01-2021, 05:20 PM
SDSU is now the top-rated FCS team. Here are the top 30

88 South Dakota State AA 66.17
90 North Dakota State AA 65.87
94 Northern Iowa AA 63.95
97 James Madison AA 63.32
100 Weber State AA 62.21
101 North Dakota AA 62.09
106 Montana AA 60.89
109 Southern Illinois AA 60.10
114 Princeton AA 58.32
117 Villanova AA 57.49
119 Montana State AA 57.40
123 South Dakota AA 56.20
126 Dartmouth AA 55.52
127 Illinois State AA 55.45
129 Eastern Washington AA 54.84
131 UC Davis AA 54.78
132 Towson AA 54.54
133 Kennesaw State AA 54.18
135 Furman AA 53.88
136 Sacramento State AA 53.35
139 Nicholls State AA 52.94
140 Sam Houston State AA 52.80
142 Albany-NY AA 52.57
144 Idaho AA 52.52
145 Wofford AA 52.11
147 SE Missouri State AA 51.65
149 Jacksonville State AA 50.88
150 Delaware AA 50.68
151 Richmond AA 50.52
152 Central Arkansas AA 50.45

See two posts up..... LOL

Hammerhead
03-01-2021, 08:44 PM
Seven of the top ten teams actually playing this spring are in the MVFC. It will be interesting to see if that will change as teams beat each other.


Top 25 per Sagarin; weekend was so wonky, Sagarin doesn't even know how to process it! Suspect it will take a few weeks for the numbers to catch up.

88 South Dakota State AA = 66.17 1 1 63.85( 104) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.57 85 | 66.12 85 | 64.60 86 MISSOURI VALLEY
90 North Dakota State AA = 65.87 2 1 53.02( 151) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.96 90 | 69.67 73 | 59.44 106 MISSOURI VALLEY
94 Northern Iowa AA = 63.95 1 1 58.05( 129) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.15 93 | 63.67 96 | 63.29 93 MISSOURI VALLEY
97 James Madison AA = 63.32 2 0 24.72( 185) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.94 102 | 65.05 90 | 61.81 99 COLONIAL
100 Weber State AA = 62.21 1 0 43.57( 168) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.49 103 | 62.66 101 | 62.00 97 BIG SKY
101 North Dakota AA = 62.09 2 0 62.30( 111) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.86 98 | 58.26 116 | 69.10 69 MISSOURI VALLEY
106 Montana AA = 60.89 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.97 104 | 60.54 108 | 60.68 105 BIG SKY
109 Southern Illinois AA = 60.10 2 1 59.85( 121) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.32 106 | 57.86 118 | 64.11 88 MISSOURI VALLEY
114 Princeton AA = 58.32 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.36 115 | 57.98 117 | 58.19 109 IVY LEAGUE
117 Villanova AA = 57.49 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.51 116 | 57.15 123 | 57.38 113 COLONIAL
119 Montana State AA = 57.40 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.42 117 | 57.06 124 | 57.30 114 BIG SKY
123 South Dakota AA = 56.20 1 0 56.28( 137) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.31 131 | 57.30 122 | 57.19 115 MISSOURI VALLEY
126 Dartmouth AA = 55.52 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.51 126 | 55.18 127 | 55.47 118 IVY LEAGUE
127 Illinois State AA = 55.45 0 1 55.37( 139) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.25 123 | 55.22 126 | 53.31 133 MISSOURI VALLEY
129 Eastern Washington AA = 54.84 0 1 53.36( 148) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.73 124 | 54.60 133 | 52.55 139 BIG SKY
131 UC Davis AA = 54.78 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.76 129 | 54.45 135 | 54.75 119 BIG SKY
132 Towson AA = 54.54 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.52 130 | 54.21 136 | 54.52 121 COLONIAL
133 Kennesaw State AA = 54.18 1 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.15 132 | 53.85 139 | 54.17 123 BIG SOUTH
135 Furman AA = 53.88 1 1 35.81( 179) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.70 134 | 54.64 132 | 51.72 143 SOUTHERN
136 Sacramento State AA = 53.35 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.31 138 | 53.02 142 | 53.37 132 BIG SKY
139 Nicholls State AA = 52.94 2 0 31.01( 182) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.37 135 | 51.62 148 | 54.09 124 SOUTHLAND
140 Sam Houston State AA = 52.80 1 0 46.33( 161) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.21 145 | 53.99 138 | 52.86 136 SOUTHLAND
142 Albany-NY AA = 52.57 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.51 141 | 52.24 146 | 52.61 138 COLONIAL
144 Idaho AA = 52.52 1 0 54.01( 143) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.56 150 | 53.51 140 | 53.87 128 BIG SKY
145 Wofford AA = 52.11 1 1 44.87( 164) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.05 142 | 52.96 143 | 49.43 154 SOUTHERN

bisonaudit
03-01-2021, 10:30 PM
Not sure how good this is going to be without non conference games.

THEsocalledfan
03-03-2021, 05:53 PM
Not sure how good this is going to be without non conference games.

100% agree.

THEsocalledfan
03-09-2021, 11:50 AM
Updated top 25 per Sagarin:

83 South Dakota State AA = 67.05 2 1 58.64( 124) 0 0 | 0 0 | 67.32 82 | 67.03 85 | 65.71 85 MISSOURI VALLEY
88 North Dakota State AA = 66.33 3 1 50.87( 157) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.55 89 | 69.64 73 | 60.63 105 MISSOURI VALLEY
91 Northern Iowa AA = 65.43 2 1 58.42( 128) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.44 90 | 64.96 91 | 65.72 84 MISSOURI VALLEY
94 North Dakota AA = 63.99 3 0 60.66( 119) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.70 92 | 60.26 110 | 71.22 56 MISSOURI VALLEY
98 Weber State AA = 63.21 1 0 44.67( 177) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.85 98 | 63.24 98 | 63.22 92 BIG SKY
102 Montana AA = 61.78 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.01 103 | 61.22 107 | 61.73 100 BIG SKY
109 James Madison AA = 60.04 3 0 31.31( 201) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.73 121 | 62.88 100 | 58.26 113 COLONIAL
110 Southern Illinois AA = 59.66 3 1 57.99( 130) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.90 114 | 58.02 123 | 64.57 88 MISSOURI VALLEY
111 Eastern Washington AA = 59.65 1 1 49.88( 163) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.89 105 | 59.70 113 | 58.23 114 BIG SKY
114 Princeton AA = 59.23 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.40 110 | 58.70 118 | 59.25 110 IVY LEAGUE
115 UC Davis AA = 59.08 1 0 54.67( 146) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.33 120 | 58.65 119 | 61.07 104 BIG SKY
117 Illinois State AA = 58.41 0 2 61.69( 112) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.89 116 | 59.15 115 | 54.91 126 MISSOURI VALLEY
119 Montana State AA = 58.32 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.47 118 | 57.80 125 | 58.36 112 BIG SKY
120 South Dakota AA = 57.95 1 1 62.02( 110) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.40 119 | 56.40 127 | 59.71 108 MISSOURI VALLEY
122 Villanova AA = 57.81 1 0 48.14( 166) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.70 125 | 58.71 117 | 57.56 117 COLONIAL
123 Nicholls State AA = 57.70 3 0 37.96( 197) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.45 108 | 54.50 140 | 60.29 107 SOUTHLAND
128 Dartmouth AA = 56.44 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.56 126 | 55.95 129 | 56.54 122 IVY LEAGUE
130 Delaware AA = 55.76 1 0 46.05( 173) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.49 130 | 54.76 137 | 57.88 116 COLONIAL
132 Towson AA = 55.48 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.57 129 | 55.00 134 | 55.60 123 COLONIAL
133 Kennesaw State AA = 55.12 1 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.20 131 | 54.64 138 | 55.25 124 BIG SOUTH
136 Albany-NY AA = 54.46 1 0 50.62( 158) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.29 140 | 55.01 133 | 55.07 125 COLONIAL
137 Furman AA = 54.43 2 1 39.97( 191) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.76 139 | 55.28 131 | 53.26 137 SOUTHERN
138 Sacramento State AA = 54.30 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.36 136 | 53.83 143 | 54.45 129 BIG SKY
141 Idaho AA = 53.85 1 1 58.55( 127) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.45 135 | 52.46 149 | 54.86 127 BIG SKY
142 Sam Houston State AA = 53.31 1 0 46.95( 171) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.82 144 | 54.43 141 | 53.35 136 SOUTHLAND

THEsocalledfan
03-25-2021, 04:15 PM
Updated top 25 per Sagarin:

89 North Dakota State AA = 65.74 5 1 50.06( 150) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.53 90 | 67.62 81 | 63.69 90 MISSOURI VALLEY
95 South Dakota State AA = 63.03 4 1 50.79( 146) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.66 100 | 63.05 96 | 65.52 83 MISSOURI VALLEY
96 Weber State AA = 62.98 2 0 50.95( 143) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.94 97 | 61.84 101 | 65.02 86 BIG SKY
109 Montana AA = 59.06 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.93 109 | 58.99 110 | 58.76 105 BIG SKY
110 UC Davis AA = 58.80 2 1 51.66( 140) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.95 103 | 56.64 118 | 60.50 102 BIG SKY
117 Princeton AA = 56.46 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.32 117 | 56.36 120 | 56.27 114 IVY LEAGUE
118 Northern Iowa AA = 56.25 2 3 51.51( 141) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.87 119 | 57.97 113 | 52.50 129 MISSOURI VALLEY
119 Eastern Washington AA = 56.10 2 1 46.09( 160) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.64 121 | 56.55 119 | 55.42 116 BIG SKY
120 North Dakota AA = 55.87 4 1 52.51( 138) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.60 122 | 54.81 124 | 58.19 107 MISSOURI VALLEY
123 Montana State AA = 55.53 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.39 123 | 55.42 122 | 55.38 117 BIG SKY
124 Delaware AA = 54.99 2 0 41.42( 175) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.00 118 | 52.28 137 | 58.19 106 COLONIAL
126 Sam Houston State AA = 54.79 3 0 34.69( 191) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.04 125 | 53.19 133 | 57.15 112 SOUTHLAND
129 Dartmouth AA = 53.63 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.48 128 | 53.48 131 | 53.56 123 IVY LEAGUE
130 Furman AA = 53.24 3 2 42.71( 168) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.15 130 | 53.45 132 | 52.26 133 SOUTHERN
132 Towson AA = 52.64 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.49 132 | 52.49 136 | 52.61 128 COLONIAL
135 Jacksonville State AA = 51.53 7 1 41.55( 174) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.30 142 | 50.35 145 | 56.23 115 OHIO VALLEY
136 Sacramento State AA = 51.44 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.28 135 | 51.27 140 | 51.46 135 BIG SKY
139 Illinois State AA = 51.01 1 3 51.97( 139) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.42 140 | 53.11 134 | 46.75 154 MISSOURI VALLEY
140 Southern Illinois AA = 50.90 4 2 55.11( 131) 0 0 | 0 0 | 49.21 147 | 51.20 141 | 53.30 125 MISSOURI VALLEY
141 Idaho AA = 50.86 1 1 55.96( 128) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.27 136 | 49.49 147 | 52.29 132 BIG SKY
142 Central Arkansas AA = 50.79 5 4 50.79( 145) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.31 141 | 51.13 143 | 50.41 139 SOUTHLAND
144 Villanova AA = 50.70 1 1 41.69( 173) 0 0 | 0 0 | 49.53 145 | 52.78 135 | 47.83 148 COLONIAL
145 Chattanooga AA = 49.89 3 1 50.50( 147) 0 0 | 0 0 | 49.63 143 | 48.02 152 | 53.91 121 SOUTHERN
147 James Madison AA = 49.31 3 0 20.75( 221) 0 0 | 0 0 | 44.44 161 | 55.12 123 | 45.71 158 COLONIAL
148 Wofford AA = 49.20 1 2 45.65( 163) 0 0 | 0 0 | 49.51 146 | 50.34 146 | 45.05 162 SOUTHERN

TransAmBison
03-25-2021, 05:24 PM
I like the Sagarin ratings and overall I find it quite accurate...but I swear UNI could be 0-10 and still be ranked in the top 10 for Sagarin.

Mr Pep Band
03-25-2021, 06:25 PM
I like the Sagarin ratings and overall I find it quite accurate...but I swear UNI could be 0-10 and still be ranked in the top 10 for Sagarin.

UNI seems to always play a tough schedule and play better than what Sagarin predicts. So even though their record isn't that good, they are good against the spread.

Plus, I don't mind one iota beating the crap out of a higher ranked UNI near every year after the slow start (and ugly games) we had against them when we came into the MVFC.

Personally, i consider UNI a better rival than UN_ since the D1 transition. Slightly behind the (Tax-Joose season) Bunnies.

X-Factor
03-27-2021, 01:25 PM
UNI seems to always play a tough schedule and play better than what Sagarin predicts. So even though their record isn't that good, they are good against the spread.

Plus, I don't mind one iota beating the crap out of a higher ranked UNI near every year after the slow start (and ugly games) we had against them when we came into the MVFC.

Personally, i consider UNI a better rival than UN_ since the D1 transition. Slightly behind the (Tax-Joose season) Bunnies.

The year we put up 56 in their dump sure put a smile on my face. They are a great team to have in the conference though. They always seem to play tough

Hammerhead
03-29-2021, 01:57 PM
Sagarin moved the Big Sky teams playing games up to the top and NDSU from #1 to #10

1 20 Eastern Washington AA 82.41
2 26 Weber State AA 80.28
3 27 UC Davis AA 79.99
4 68 Idaho AA 70.39
5 69 Idaho State AA 70.37
6 73 Southern Utah AA 68.83
7 80 Delaware AA 67.62
8 83 Northern Arizona AA 67.21
9 91 Sam Houston State AA 65.48
10 98 North Dakota State AA 64.41
11 103 South Dakota State AA 61.74
12 106 Villanova AA 61.18
13 110 Montana AA 59.66
14 111 Duquesne AA 59.28
15 114 Maine AA 59.05
16 116 Cal Poly-SLO AA 58.68
17 119 Albany-NY AA 58.16
18 122 Stony Brook AA 57.47
19 123 Nicholls State AA 57.25
20 125 Princeton AA 57.00
21 128 Rhode Island AA 56.08
22 129 Montana State AA 56.05
23 134 North Dakota AA 54.52
24 135 Sacred Heart AA 54.52
25 136 Northern Iowa AA 54.42

heffray
03-29-2021, 02:01 PM
Sagarin moved the Big Sky teams playing games up to the top and NDSU from #1 to #10

1 20 Eastern Washington AA 82.41
2 26 Weber State AA 80.28
3 27 UC Davis AA 79.99
4 68 Idaho AA 70.39
5 69 Idaho State AA 70.37
6 73 Southern Utah AA 68.83
7 80 Delaware AA 67.62
8 83 Northern Arizona AA 67.21
9 91 Sam Houston State AA 65.48
10 98 North Dakota State AA 64.41
11 103 South Dakota State AA 61.74
12 106 Villanova AA 61.18
13 110 Montana AA 59.66
14 111 Duquesne AA 59.28
15 114 Maine AA 59.05
16 116 Cal Poly-SLO AA 58.68
17 119 Albany-NY AA 58.16
18 122 Stony Brook AA 57.47
19 123 Nicholls State AA 57.25
20 125 Princeton AA 57.00
21 128 Rhode Island AA 56.08
22 129 Montana State AA 56.05
23 134 North Dakota AA 54.52
24 135 Sacred Heart AA 54.52
25 136 Northern Iowa AA 54.42

I’m confused, what now?

WeAreThePride
03-29-2021, 02:13 PM
Sagarin moved the Big Sky teams playing games up to the top and NDSU from #1 to #10

1 20 Eastern Washington AA 82.41
2 26 Weber State AA 80.28
3 27 UC Davis AA 79.99
4 68 Idaho AA 70.39
5 69 Idaho State AA 70.37
6 73 Southern Utah AA 68.83
7 80 Delaware AA 67.62
8 83 Northern Arizona AA 67.21
9 91 Sam Houston State AA 65.48
10 98 North Dakota State AA 64.41
11 103 South Dakota State AA 61.74
12 106 Villanova AA 61.18
13 110 Montana AA 59.66
14 111 Duquesne AA 59.28
15 114 Maine AA 59.05
16 116 Cal Poly-SLO AA 58.68
17 119 Albany-NY AA 58.16
18 122 Stony Brook AA 57.47
19 123 Nicholls State AA 57.25
20 125 Princeton AA 57.00
21 128 Rhode Island AA 56.08
22 129 Montana State AA 56.05
23 134 North Dakota AA 54.52
24 135 Sacred Heart AA 54.52
25 136 Northern Iowa AA 54.42

WTF? That makes no sense? Did his computer accidentally record unplayed games as losses or something?

Professor Chaos
03-29-2021, 02:16 PM
I'm guessing this was the week the weight from the 2019 results were taken out. With the lack of OOC games it's pretty much impossible for an algorithm to come up with a reliable output that rates teams across conferences. This will probably also goof the ratings up so start off next fall as well... I'd expect these won't be worth much until they get well connected with 2021 fall games which probably won't be until mid-October.

One thing to keep in mind though is Sagarin's rating regularly rates Ivy Leagues teams very high in relation to the rest of the FCS... Ivy League teams play insulated schedules every year so I'd say this is an indictment of that as well.

Professor Chaos
03-29-2021, 02:24 PM
WTF? That makes no sense? Did his computer accidentally record unplayed games as losses or something?
Garbage in garbage out. Somehow this has Cal Poly rated 16th despite being 0-3. UC Davis beat them by 49 and EWU beat them by 52 so in the view of Sagarin's algorithm that was far more impressive than NDSU beating UND by 24 or SDSU beating SIU by 41.

THEsocalledfan
03-29-2021, 07:31 PM
I'm guessing this was the week the weight from the 2019 results were taken out. With the lack of OOC games it's pretty much impossible for an algorithm to come up with a reliable output that rates teams across conferences. This will probably also goof the ratings up so start off next fall as well... I'd expect these won't be worth much until they get well connected with 2021 fall games which probably won't be until mid-October.

One thing to keep in mind though is Sagarin's rating regularly rates Ivy Leagues teams very high in relation to the rest of the FCS... Ivy League teams play insulated schedules every year so I'd say this is an indictment of that as well.

Playoffs will help to a limited degree.

THEsocalledfan
04-09-2021, 06:56 PM
Updated top 25 per Sagarin

80 North Dakota State AA = 67.83 5 1 53.24( 145) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.52 83 | 69.36 73 | 66.71 79 MISSOURI VALLEY
82 South Dakota State AA = 67.31 4 1 54.07( 141) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.80 82 | 66.66 81 | 69.29 69 MISSOURI VALLEY
93 James Madison AA = 63.49 4 0 35.33( 204) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.29 100 | 64.38 92 | 63.45 94 COLONIAL
99 Eastern Washington AA = 62.58 4 1 48.89( 161) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.72 95 | 61.58 102 | 63.78 90 BIG SKY
103 Weber State AA = 61.44 4 0 49.62( 157) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.38 108 | 61.04 106 | 64.06 87 BIG SKY
104 Montana AA = 61.27 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.43 103 | 60.82 108 | 61.15 106 BIG SKY
107 Sam Houston State AA = 60.79 4 0 41.15( 190) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.81 101 | 58.06 118 | 64.10 86 SOUTHLAND
109 Northern Iowa AA = 60.01 3 3 53.18( 146) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.89 112 | 61.19 105 | 56.87 118 MISSOURI VALLEY
113 North Dakota AA = 59.34 4 1 56.10( 133) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.74 113 | 57.57 121 | 61.72 102 MISSOURI VALLEY
115 Delaware AA = 59.04 3 0 45.83( 170) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.20 109 | 55.71 128 | 63.38 95 COLONIAL
116 Princeton AA = 58.72 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.82 116 | 58.27 117 | 58.69 109 IVY LEAGUE
117 Montana State AA = 57.80 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.89 119 | 57.36 122 | 57.81 113 BIG SKY
121 UC Davis AA = 57.47 3 2 52.33( 150) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.90 118 | 56.92 124 | 56.95 117 BIG SKY
124 Villanova AA = 56.63 2 1 46.59( 167) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.88 125 | 56.78 127 | 57.23 116 COLONIAL
127 Dartmouth AA = 55.92 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.97 124 | 55.49 129 | 56.00 119 IVY LEAGUE
131 Towson AA = 54.96 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.98 131 | 54.53 135 | 55.07 125 COLONIAL
132 Illinois State AA = 54.89 1 3 55.46( 137) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.51 133 | 56.78 126 | 50.59 145 MISSOURI VALLEY
134 Kennesaw State AA = 53.92 4 0 36.80( 200) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.18 136 | 53.83 138 | 55.02 127 BIG SOUTH
135 Southern Illinois AA = 53.82 4 3 57.30( 127) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.98 137 | 53.68 139 | 55.22 124 MISSOURI VALLEY
136 Sacramento State AA = 53.77 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.77 134 | 53.35 140 | 53.92 131 BIG SKY
140 Richmond AA = 52.98 3 0 41.51( 189) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.73 139 | 51.85 149 | 55.27 122 COLONIAL
141 Jacksonville State AA = 52.77 8 2 43.55( 180) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.13 143 | 51.96 147 | 55.24 123 OHIO VALLEY
142 Central Arkansas AA = 52.74 5 4 53.10( 147) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.27 142 | 53.15 141 | 52.10 140 SOUTHLAND
146 Youngstown State AA = 51.41 1 5 57.04( 129) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.50 145 | 52.14 146 | 48.68 162 MISSOURI VALLEY
147 Idaho AA = 51.18 2 2 52.82( 149) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.11 146 | 50.77 150 | 51.48 141 BIG SKY

mtoutfitter
04-09-2021, 08:02 PM
Updated top 25 per Sagarin

80 North Dakota State AA = 67.83 5 1 53.24( 145) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.52 83 | 69.36 73 | 66.71 79 MISSOURI VALLEY
93 James Madison AA = 63.49 4 0 35.33( 204) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.29 100 | 64.38 92 | 63.45 94 COLONIAL
99 Eastern Washington AA = 62.58 4 1 48.89( 161) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.72 95 | 61.58 102 | 63.78 90 BIG SKY
103 Weber State AA = 61.44 4 0 49.62( 157) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.38 108 | 61.04 106 | 64.06 87 BIG SKY
104 Montana AA = 61.27 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.43 103 | 60.82 108 | 61.15 106 BIG SKY
107 Sam Houston State AA = 60.79 4 0 41.15( 190) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.81 101 | 58.06 118 | 64.10 86 SOUTHLAND
109 Northern Iowa AA = 60.01 3 3 53.18( 146) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.89 112 | 61.19 105 | 56.87 118 MISSOURI VALLEY
113 North Dakota AA = 59.34 4 1 56.10( 133) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.74 113 | 57.57 121 | 61.72 102 MISSOURI VALLEY
115 Delaware AA = 59.04 3 0 45.83( 170) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.20 109 | 55.71 128 | 63.38 95 COLONIAL
116 Princeton AA = 58.72 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.82 116 | 58.27 117 | 58.69 109 IVY LEAGUE
117 Montana State AA = 57.80 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.89 119 | 57.36 122 | 57.81 113 BIG SKY
121 UC Davis AA = 57.47 3 2 52.33( 150) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.90 118 | 56.92 124 | 56.95 117 BIG SKY
124 Villanova AA = 56.63 2 1 46.59( 167) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.88 125 | 56.78 127 | 57.23 116 COLONIAL
127 Dartmouth AA = 55.92 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.97 124 | 55.49 129 | 56.00 119 IVY LEAGUE
131 Towson AA = 54.96 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.98 131 | 54.53 135 | 55.07 125 COLONIAL
132 Illinois State AA = 54.89 1 3 55.46( 137) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.51 133 | 56.78 126 | 50.59 145 MISSOURI VALLEY
134 Kennesaw State AA = 53.92 4 0 36.80( 200) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.18 136 | 53.83 138 | 55.02 127 BIG SOUTH
135 Southern Illinois AA = 53.82 4 3 57.30( 127) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.98 137 | 53.68 139 | 55.22 124 MISSOURI VALLEY
136 Sacramento State AA = 53.77 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.77 134 | 53.35 140 | 53.92 131 BIG SKY
140 Richmond AA = 52.98 3 0 41.51( 189) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.73 139 | 51.85 149 | 55.27 122 COLONIAL
141 Jacksonville State AA = 52.77 8 2 43.55( 180) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.13 143 | 51.96 147 | 55.24 123 OHIO VALLEY
142 Central Arkansas AA = 52.74 5 4 53.10( 147) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.27 142 | 53.15 141 | 52.10 140 SOUTHLAND
146 Youngstown State AA = 51.41 1 5 57.04( 129) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.50 145 | 52.14 146 | 48.68 162 MISSOURI VALLEY
147 Idaho AA = 51.18 2 2 52.82( 149) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.11 146 | 50.77 150 | 51.48 141 BIG SKY
148 Harvard AA = 50.82 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.76 150 | 50.40 151 | 51.08 143 IVY LEAGUE

Where's SDSU?

Hammerhead
04-09-2021, 09:28 PM
Where's SDSU?

He must have missed a line since they are #82 and 2nd among FCS teams.

CyPanth
04-09-2021, 10:29 PM
Where's SDSU?

Where's UNI?









Oh, I see them, but how they can be so high?

THEsocalledfan
04-10-2021, 03:03 AM
He must have missed a line since they are #82 and 2nd among FCS teams.

correct; fixed.

NDSU92
04-10-2021, 03:11 AM
Where's UNI?









Oh, I see them, but how they can be so high?

UNI is always overrated in Sagarin. Must be all those wins over NDSU from ‘09 and ‘10

:D

Hammerhead
05-17-2021, 01:16 PM
Montana finishes with the highest Sagarin rating and Ball State finishes at #9 in all of college football.

Rank School Subdivision Rating
76 Montana AA 68.39
87 Sam Houston State AA 65.68
93 South Dakota State AA 64.34
95 Monmouth-NJ AA 63.77
104 North Dakota AA 59.48
106 North Dakota State AA 58.41
108 James Madison AA 57.53
118 Princeton AA 54.47
119 Samford AA 53.84
120 Montana State AA 53.55
123 Northern Iowa AA 52.29
124 Dartmouth AA 51.67
125 VMI AA 51.51
129 Towson AA 50.70
131 Southern Illinois AA 50.25
132 Campbell AA 49.79
133 Kennesaw State AA 49.74
135 Central Arkansas AA 49.54
136 Jacksonville State AA 49.51
137 Sacramento State AA 49.51
141 Alabama A&M AA 48.63
144 Delaware AA 47.48
145 Harvard AA 46.54
147 Missouri State AA 46.26

MankatoBison
05-17-2021, 01:17 PM
Lol, I hope Montana Hangs a national championship banner this year

WeAreThePride
05-17-2021, 01:20 PM
montana finishes with the highest sagarin rating and ball state finishes at #9 in all of college football.

Rank school subdivision rating
76 montana aa 68.39
87 sam houston state aa 65.68
93 south dakota state aa 64.34
95 monmouth-nj aa 63.77
104 north dakota aa 59.48
106 north dakota state aa 58.41
108 james madison aa 57.53
118 princeton aa 54.47
119 samford aa 53.84
120 montana state aa 53.55
123 northern iowa aa 52.29
124 dartmouth aa 51.67
125 vmi aa 51.51
129 towson aa 50.70
131 southern illinois aa 50.25
132 campbell aa 49.79
133 kennesaw state aa 49.74
135 central arkansas aa 49.54
136 jacksonville state aa 49.51
137 sacramento state aa 49.51
141 alabama a&m aa 48.63
144 delaware aa 47.48
145 harvard aa 46.54
147 missouri state aa 46.26

lol wtf??????

Bisonator98
05-17-2021, 01:23 PM
Why would they even put these out for this sham of a season? Makes their rating system look like garbage.

reformedUNDfan
05-17-2021, 11:09 PM
Am i the only person for whom the sgarin ratings page is a broken mess?

Hammerhead
05-18-2021, 12:51 AM
Am i the only person for whom the sgarin ratings page is a broken mess?

It is with so few inter inference games and teams only playing 3 games.

WhoRepsTheLurker
05-18-2021, 01:11 AM
I have no idea about Ball State. Maybe some hot drop downs?

But it’s not that far off of the Stats Poll. Turnovers? Hopefully just a spring season thing

Hammersmith
05-18-2021, 01:47 AM
I have no idea about Ball State. Maybe some hot drop downs?

But it’s not that far off of the Stats Poll. Turnovers? Hopefully just a spring season thing

Ball State's ranking happened because they went 5-1 in the MAC and 7-1 overall with a win in the MAC championship and a win over 7-0 SJSU in the Arizona Bowl. With the MAC only playing a conference schedule(like most everyone else), there wasn't enough data for the computer model to accurately judge the relative strengths of the different conferences. In fact, due to the FCS playoffs, Sagarin was probably an order of magnitude better at analyzing FCS this year compared to FBS(not that that's saying anything this year).

WhoRepsTheLurker
05-18-2021, 02:38 AM
Ball State's ranking happened because they went 5-1 in the MAC and 7-1 overall with a win in the MAC championship and a win over 7-0 SJSU in the Arizona Bowl. With the MAC only playing a conference schedule(like most everyone else), there wasn't enough data for the computer model to accurately judge the relative strengths of the different conferences. In fact, due to the FCS playoffs, Sagarin was probably an order of magnitude better at analyzing FCS this year compared to FBS(not that that's saying anything this year).

Yes, that makes sense. So 3 losses is probably the main factor in determining where we ended up. That SIU game really impacted this crazy spring season for the Bison. I can't remember the main reason we lost that one. I'd have to go back and watch it again, which I have no intention of doing.

GreenfieldBison
05-18-2021, 04:01 AM
Yes, that makes sense. So 3 losses is probably the main factor in determining where we ended up. That SIU game really impacted this crazy spring season for the Bison. I can't remember the main reason we lost that one. I'd have to go back and watch it again, which I have no intention of doing.

Main reason was we sucked. Then we gave up which I don’t recall seeing before.

SIU was good though.


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reformedUNDfan
05-18-2021, 04:08 AM
It is with so few inter inference games and teams only playing 3 games.

no, I mean like the website itself doesn't work. I can't switch menus, sports, seasons, or anything.