MSU Coach: Polasek or Vigen?

[Counter Assault]

Hey,

As many of you have probably seen, Tim Polasek and Brent Vigen are both candidates for the MSU Head Coaching job. Any thoughts on who would be better? Also wondered how much Vigen had a hand in recruiting Wentz and the other good QB's?

MSU is on a reasonably good trajectory. Recruiting has been very good for the last couple years. We'll probably want to stay with a run-heavy offense.

I kinda think Vigen looks like the better choice. Lots of senior experience. Seems to be a good recruiter, but don't know.

Thoughts?

Scott

[56BISON73]

Drevino from USC gets the job.

[tony]

Sorry I didn't answer, Counter Assault. I just can't make myself pick between two Bison. :)

[Professor Chaos]

It's still to odd to see Vigen's name attached to these kinds of head coaching rumors. He probably could've had the NDSU job over Klieman (alum... paid his dues longer with the program) in 2014 but chose to leave. Maybe he regrets that decision?

[TAILG8R]

Can't imagine anyone on here would pick Vigen over Polasek simply from following the gameay threads the years Vigen was here, LOL

[OrygunBison]

Two questions:

1.) Why would either one of those guys want that job?
2.) Why is this on the Bison Football Forum?

[Counter Assault]

Can't imagine anyone on here would pick Vigen over Polasek simply from following the gameay threads the years Vigen was here, LOL

What was usually the issue? You guys were pretty constantly winning.

[Counter Assault]

Two questions:

1.) Why would either one of those guys want that job?
2.) Why is this on the Bison Football Forum?

You should care. If we hire either one of them, they will certainly be poaching in your recruiting territories...

[Bison Dan]

You should care. If we hire either one of them, they will certainly be poaching in your recruiting territories...

Doubtful - Stick to your west coast players who usually are soft.

[Gully]

You should care. If we hire either one of them, they will certainly be poaching in your recruiting territories...

Not that likely. Hell, Craig Bohl at FBS Wyoming hasn't been very successful trying to do that.

[El_Chapo]

if Jeff Fisher is remotely interested you should hand him everything, $half million salary, lifetime administrative role, anything.... he would elevate your program.

show us where Vigen or Polasak were mentioned. Offensive Play Calling/Time mgmt has been NDSU's achilles heel over the years.

[Counter Assault]

if Jeff Fisher is remotely interested you should hand him everything, $half million salary, lifetime administrative role, anything.... he would elevate your program.

show us where Vigen or Polasak were mentioned. Offensive Play Calling/Time mgmt has been NDSU's achilles heel over the years.

https://skylinesportsmt.com/msu-coaching-search-part-ii/

[TAILG8R]

What was usually the issue? You guys were pretty constantly winning.

Most on this board really hated the way Vigen called a game on offense. I haven't watched a lot of Wyoming football so maybe he's grown but even the first couple years at Wyoming I was reading (on fan boards) how he was still calling games the same way he did at NDSU. Three interceptions on an out route in one game that had been problematic all year with two being returned for TDs was probably my "favorite" Vigen play calling moment.

[HerdBot]

Vigen has a thread titled Fire Vigen, Save Season. This was during the year we won a Championship. The run style bores some fans but it works

[Counter Assault]

Who recruited Wentz?

[HerdBot]

Who recruited Wentz?

Craig Bohl. Technically Vigen but his territory covered ND and pretty much every good ND player we get by default... not because of Vigen. Same is true with Randy Hedberg who recruits his home state

[El_Chapo]

https://skylinesportsmt.com/msu-coaching-search-part-ii/

Colter has been talking to DJ colter too much.

here's the real list: Why would Vigen or Polosak take a PAY CUT to move down to FCS when they are in the Big 10 and Mountain West?

https://brobible.com/sports/article/jeff-fisher-head-coach-montana-state/

Coach Bohl sat with Carson's dad in Bismarck at the peacock over whiskey, done deal.

[bruinbison]

Colter has been talking to DJ colter too much.

here's the real list: Why would Vigen or Polosak take a PAY CUT to move down to FCS when they are in the Big 10 and Mountain West?

https://brobible.com/sports/article/jeff-fisher-head-coach-montana-state/

Coach Bohl sat with Carson's dad in Bismarck at the peacock over whiskey, done deal.

If you read the article posted, you will see McFeely is a source as well.
His blog in the Forum talked of it a couple days ago......

Just spitballing here, but if Vigen is not considered a sure-thing heir apparent at Wyoming, why not take the Bozeman job? A state university, good program, possible stepping stone job or destination job if that is what you want. And if Polasek wants to be a Head Coach, it is a normal route there also. His alternative would be to get a P5 coordinator job somewhere.

[ZHerd]

Imo, both Vigen and Polasek were terrible about adjusting in game. I think Messingham is easily the best OC we have had. Offense has been sharp under roehl as well. Not sure if it’s because latter 2 just had superior talent to work with but Offense seems more balanced and dangerous under last 2 coordinators.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Imo, both Vigen and Polasek were terrible about adjusting in game. I think Messingham is easily the best OC we have had. Offense has been sharp under roehl as well. Not sure if it’s because latter 2 just had superior talent to work with but Offense seems more balanced and dangerous under last 2 coordinators.

The game seemed to be evolving very quickly during the latter tenure of TP. Lots of "RPO" or "mesh play-action", or whatever you want to call it. JMU killed us with that in the 2016 semi. Was it that long ago already? Dang.

Defenses seem to have adjusted now. I think TP was just a bit stubborn maybe?

I agree that things changed under CM.

[scottietohottie]

Vigen always seemed to throw a wrinkle into his vanilla.

[El_Chapo]

If you read the article posted, you will see McFeely is a source as well.
His blog in the Forum talked of it a couple days ago......

Just spitballing here, but if Vigen is not considered a sure-thing heir apparent at Wyoming, why not take the Bozeman job? A state university, good program, possible stepping stone job or destination job if that is what you want. And if Polasek wants to be a Head Coach, it is a normal route there also. His alternative would be to get a P5 coordinator job somewhere.

mcfeely a source?? bahaha that's never happened, he has zero connections, no 1 at NDSU will tell him anything nor will a past coach. bahaha.

No, they aren't going to take paycuts for Montana State Job. neither will be in the top 3 if they even release a top 3.

[EC8CH]

Any ND kid remotely interested in playing football gets a chance from NDSU atleast as a PWO.

This is so stupid I can't even believe you are being serious right now

[southcliffbison]

Who recruited Wentz?

I can tell you that...…..his brother Zach.

[bruinbison]

mcfeely a source?? bahaha that's never happened, he has zero connections, no 1 at NDSU will tell him anything nor will a past coach. bahaha.

No, they aren't going to take paycuts for Montana State Job. neither will be in the top 3 if they even release a top 3.

You never let the facts get in the way of your agenda, do you?

Why look here, a BYU Defensive Coordinator interviewing for the job.

https://kslsports.com/452590/byu-football-ilaisa-tuiaki-montana-state-invterviews/

But Chapo told us FBS assistants never take FCS Head Coach jobs......
That would be a pay cut......

[Bisonator98]

Only thing I miss about Vigen was his occasional trick plays which always seemed to work. Other then those he wasn't that great a play caller IMO. He seemed to be better his last year here but that team could have coached themselves. Wyo fans can't stand him from what I've heard.

[Bison Dan]

Only thing I miss about Vigen was his occasional trick plays which always seemed to work. Other then those he wasn't that great a play caller IMO. He seemed to be better his last year here but that team could have coached themselves. Wyo fans can't stand him from what I've heard.

Vigen IMO would make a terrible HC. Has the personality of a turnip, no fire. Polasek is just the opposite.

[heckler]

I hope they hire Vigen so if our coach ever leaves we don't hire him.

[23Bison]

Most on this board really hated the way Vigen called a game on offense. I haven't watched a lot of Wyoming football so maybe he's grown but even the first couple years at Wyoming I was reading (on fan boards) how he was still calling games the same way he did at NDSU. Three interceptions on an out route in one game that had been problematic all year with two being returned for TDs was probably my "favorite" Vigen play calling moment.
No growth from what I’ve seen. I have visited the Wyoming forum a time or two just to see what’s going on and they seem to have the same thoughts about Vigen as we do.

Vigen gonna Vigen.

[scottietohottie]

Most on this board really hated the way Vigen called a game on offense. I haven't watched a lot of Wyoming football so maybe he's grown but even the first couple years at Wyoming I was reading (on fan boards) how he was still calling games the same way he did at NDSU. Three interceptions on an out route in one game that had been problematic all year with two being returned for TDs was probably my "favorite" Vigen play calling moment.


It wasn't Brock's fault!!!!

[TAILG8R]

It wasn't Brock's fault!!!!

Totally agree!! Who in the hell keeps calling that play time and time again throughout the season? Vigen that's who.

[OrygunBison]

Has the personality of a turnip...

That made me snort my coffee in a way that I'm not proud of. It also hurt a little, jerk.

[EC8CH]

https://twitter.com/FGOSPORTSWRITER/status/1358903360057991172?s=20


Football Scoop, citing unamed sources, reporting Brent Vigen will be the next head coach at Montana State.

Kolpack with the MSU HC scoop!

[TAILG8R]

https://twitter.com/FGOSPORTSWRITER/status/1358903360057991172?s=20



Kolpack with the MSU HC scoop!

Can't wait to read their fan board after the first game with Vigen as head coach!!!

[bruinbison]

If true on Vigen being hired by the Bobcats, so many receipts left lying around.....





Colter has been talking to DJ colter too much.

here's the real list: Why would Vigen or Polosak take a PAY CUT to move down to FCS when they are in the Big 10 and Mountain West?

https://brobible.com/sports/article/jeff-fisher-head-coach-montana-state/




Quote Originally Posted by El_Chapo

show us where Vigen or Polasak were mentioned. Offensive Play Calling/Time mgmt has been NDSU's achilles heel over the years.




Quote Originally Posted by El_Chapo


mcfeely a source?? bahaha that's never happened, he has zero connections, no 1 at NDSU will tell him anything nor will a past coach. bahaha.

No, they aren't going to take paycuts for Montana State Job. neither will be in the top 3 if they even release a top 3.

[El_Chapo]

if Vigen gets the job its because Bohl told him he was getting let go. it'd be dumpster diving at its finest

[El_Chapo]

Wyoming fan reacts:

Jason Wasserburger

@jwasserburger1

DEAR LORD...MONTANA STATE HAS SAVED US FROM 3 DIVES AND A PUNT EACH POSSESSION

[mtoutfitter]

If true on Vigen being hired by the Bobcats, so many receipts left lying around.....

But as usual when prior statements, that make him look bad, are pointed out to him....he just ignores as if it didn't happen. As one Bison poster likes to quote..."Wash, Rinse, Repeat"

[ByeSonBusiness]

if Vigen gets the job its because Bohl told him he was getting let go. it'd be dumpster diving at its finest
Montana State head coach > being stuck as the OC at Wyoming for the foreseeable future IMO.

Maybe he will end up being a good HC. Totally different job than coordinating.

[56BISON73]

if Vigen gets the job its because Bohl told him he was getting let go. it'd be dumpster diving at its finest

I thought Vigen had left WY a couple of years ago?

Opps that was Fuchs.

[EC8CH]

official

https://twitter.com/MSUBobcats_FB/status/1358928606903160832?s=20

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtuQ0acVIAQbbJW?format=jpg&name=small

[TAILG8R]

official

https://twitter.com/MSUBobcats_FB/status/1358928606903160832?s=20

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtuQ0acVIAQbbJW?format=jpg&name=small

Fantastic. Fire Vigen, save Bobcats??

[EC8CH]

Gonna be weird having an old NDSU coach in the FCS. I'm trying to think of any D1 era staff that hasn't moved up a division since moving on from NDSU.

[BisManBison]

Does this mean Bohl is likely to retire in the next year or 2? His contract runs through 2024. A bit of a head scratcher that Vigen would pass on NDSU opp to take this position now? At any rate, congratulations to him and good luck!

[bajadanny]

Craig Bohl. Technically Vigen but his territory covered ND and pretty much every good ND player we get by default... not because of Vigen. Same is true with Randy Hedberg who recruits his home state

Hedberg is the man he is well aware of all players in ND connections everywhere don’t ever underestimate the best QB coach in the country

[NDSU92]

Unless I missed something about this already? Any worry Bohl is looking at Roehl to replace Vigen?

[heckler]

dive, dive, pass to the flat, punt

[NDSU]

Unless I missed something about this already? Any worry Bohl is looking at Roehl to replace Vigen?
This crossed my mind as well!

[TAILG8R]

dive, dive, out pattern nearly picked, punt


This fits my memory more accurately.

[TAILG8R]

Unless I missed something about this already? Any worry Bohl is looking at Roehl to replace Vigen?

I think even Wyoming has their nose too far up in the air to hire a one year coordinator from an FCS team.

[southcliffbison]

I think even Wyoming has their nose too far up in the air to hire a one year coordinator from an FCS team.

but, but, but...……..Roehl played for Bohl………... that might not mean much, or does it?

[El_Chapo]

Unless I missed something about this already? Any worry Bohl is looking at Roehl to replace Vigen?

Wyoming board/twitter already talking Roehl or Polasak and even randy hedberg . its literally NDSU west. just like Kansas St is NDSU South.

NDSU literally has a fcs program and 2 FBS programs

[EC8CH]

Wyoming board/twitter already talking Roehl or Polasak and even randy hedberg . its literally NDSU west. just like Kansas St is NDSU South.

NDSU literally has a fcs program and 2 FBS programs

Could be wrong but I doubt it will be either of those two.

[SomeBeach]

Must suck a little knowing you were the THIRD choice (if not lower) to be offered the job...

[ByeSonBusiness]

Wyoming board/twitter already talking Roehl or Polasak and even randy hedberg . its literally NDSU west. just like Kansas St is NDSU South.

NDSU literally has a fcs program and 2 FBS programs

And if we were magically FBS we'd still get people poached. Ohio State and Notre Dame use Cincinnati and the MAC as their farm system for coaches.

[Bisonator98]

Maybe he'll be a better HC then OC. Wonder who he goes after for his staff at MSU, sure there will be a few former NDSU ties.

[mtoutfitter]

Wyoming board/twitter already talking Roehl or Polasak and even randy hedberg . its literally NDSU west. just like Kansas St is NDSU South.

NDSU literally has a fcs program and 2 FBS programs

BULLSHIT.....at least on the Wyo Board. Probably 40 posts concerning the Vigen hire and only one mention of NDSU.

[HerdBot]

Wyoming board/twitter already talking Roehl or Polasak and even randy hedberg . its literally NDSU west. just like Kansas St is NDSU South.

NDSU literally has a fcs program and 2 FBS programs

Roehl is likely our next head coach. Hedberg turned down K State

[EC8CH]

Roehl is likely our next head coach. Hedberg turned down K State

This is my thought as well. I know we are only 1 year into our existing HC but thinking ahead Roehl has to be the leader in the clubhouse for next in line.

[Kevin]

BULLSHIT.....at least on the Wyo Board. Probably 40 posts concerning the Vigen hire and only one mention of NDSU.

Odds on that one mention being from Lakes?

[SafeTeeJ]

Sounds like Vigen is the New Bobcats coach.

[NDSUstudent]

Polasek to Wyo...


Sources: #Wyoming is set to hire #Iowa offensive line coach Tim Polasek as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. Polasek coached under Wyoming coach Craig Bohl at North Dakota State and later served as Bison offensive coordinator. He has been at Iowa since 2017.


https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/1359253616834596866

[El_Chapo]

Polasek to Wyo...



https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/1359253616834596866

TOLD YA MTBOOTLICKEROUTFITTER! man, you'd be better off just putting me at ignore at this point so you dont get triggered every post

you said " BULLSHIT.....at least on the Wyo Board. Probably 40 posts concerning the Vigen hire and only one mention of NDSU."

[NDSUstudent]

Wyoming board/twitter already talking Roehl or Polasak and even randy hedberg . its literally NDSU west. just like Kansas St is NDSU South.

NDSU literally has a fcs program and 2 FBS programs

I guess we can add a second FCS program to our NDSU tree of programs.

[El_Chapo]

Exactly NDSU Student.....

NDSU SOUTH - Kansas State
NDSU West - Wyoming
NDSU "light" - Montana State
NDSU D2 - MSUM

[mtoutfitter]

TOLD YA MTBOOTLICKEROUTFITTER! man, you'd be better off just putting me at ignore at this point so you dont get triggered every post

you said " BULLSHIT.....at least on the Wyo Board. Probably 40 posts concerning the Vigen hire and only one mention of NDSU."

Well it's true....there was only one post mentioning NDSU and no mention of Hedberg, Roehl or Polasek. That's what I was calling Bullshit on cause you'd made that shit up about their names being mentioned.

[El_Chapo]

i was the ONE that started the POLOSAK to WYO. just stop while your behind

[mtoutfitter]

Wyoming board/twitter already talking Roehl or Polasak and even randy hedberg . its literally NDSU west. just like Kansas St is NDSU South.

NDSU literally has a fcs program and 2 FBS programs

Here's what I called Bullshit on you dumb bastard. Specifically those names being mentioned on the WYO fan forum.....cause they weren't. I said nothing about Polasek to Wyo.

[NDSU92]

So are we now FCS Winona State? Or does the ‘Agent Smith coaching tree’ phenomenon only go one direction?

[TAILG8R]

So are we now FCS Winona State? Or does the ‘Agent Smith coaching tree’ phenomenon only go one direction?

It only goes from Chapo's ego out.

[bruinbison]

So are we now FCS Winona State? Or does the ‘Agent Smith coaching tree’ phenomenon only go one direction?

Good point! And NDSU never lost coaches to other jobs before he started mentioning it. I fondly remember Ron Erhardt retiring after his long career only at NDSU......wait, what? Super Bowl rings you say???

In his humble rants he forgot to subtract Iowa from the list of NDSU directionals......

[Professor Chaos]

So are we now FCS Winona State? Or does the ‘Agent Smith coaching tree’ phenomenon only go one direction?
A lot of UNI ties in the NDSU coaching staff these last few years also.

[NDSU92]

A lot of UNI ties in the NDSU coaching staff these last few years also.

Thought about making that parallel but I couldn’t stomach it! Fuck Farley! Byah!!!

I understand Chapo’s point. That said I’m more interested in losing coaches to the P5 or MW than I am losing them to UMary like a certain school 60 miles away.

[EC8CH]

Polasek did end up going to WYO. Thought Bohl would expand out further but I guess those who know how to run the old a gap power are a tight knit group.

[NDSU92]

Okay, so now Iowa has a position coach opening... lol

[blackdiamond2]

It would be brilliant if AJ Blazek left Vandy to go to Iowa as OL coach help complete the circle.

[EC8CH]

It would be brilliant if AJ Blazek left Vandy to go to Iowa as OL coach help complete the circle.

That would be hilarious.

[56BISON73]

Good point! And NDSU never lost coaches to other jobs before he started mentioning it. I fondly remember Ron Erhardt retiring after his long career only at NDSU......wait, what? Super Bowl rings you say???

In his humble rants he forgot to subtract Iowa from the list of NDSU directionals......

Ron went to the New England Patriots, The Giants , Pittsburgh and the Jets.

1956 Williston HS (ND) (assistant)
1957–1959 St. Mary's HS (ND)
1960–1962 Bishop Ryan HS (ND)
1963–1965 North Dakota State (assistant)
1966–1972 North Dakota State
1973–1976 New England Patriots (RB)
1977–1978 New England Patriots (OC)
1978 New England Patriots (interim co-HC)
1979–1981 New England Patriots
1982–1990 New York Giants (OC)
1991 New York Giants (assistant)
1992–1995 Pittsburgh Steelers (OC)
1996–1997 New York Jets (OC)
1997–1998 New York Jets (QB)

[mtoutfitter]

mcfeely a source?? bahaha that's never happened, he has zero connections, no 1 at NDSU will tell him anything nor will a past coach. bahaha.

No, they aren't going to take paycuts for Montana State Job. neither will be in the top 3 if they even release a top 3.

Nope....not gonna take that pay cut for a lowly FCS job......:rofl:

[marenlee]

Montana State head coach > being stuck as the OC at Wyoming for the foreseeable future IMO.

Maybe he will end up being a good HC. Totally different job than coordinating.

Craig Bohl didn't have the greatest reputation as DC. Turned out ok?

[NDSU]

Vigen hires an Oregon offensive analyst as his OC. Hmm

[NDSUstudent]

Craig Bohl didn't have the greatest reputation as DC. Turned out ok?

Bohl had connections for days though and an eye for talent.

[bruinbison]

Quote Originally Posted by El_Chapo
mcfeely a source?? bahaha that's never happened, he has zero connections, no 1 at NDSU will tell him anything nor will a past coach. bahaha.

No, they aren't going to take paycuts for Montana State Job. neither will be in the top 3 if they even release a top 3.



Nope....not gonna take that pay cut for a lowly FCS job......:rofl:

So not only did Vigen possibly take a pay cut going to MSU,
it is also possible that Polasek did as well,
going from Iowa OLine Coach to Wyoming Offensive Coordinator.

https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/football/6879117-Bison-Media-Blog-Roehl-has-not-heard-from-Wyoming-but-what-about-Polasek#.YCMEeqBstFs.twitter

[El_Chapo]

MSU went to #5 on their list with Vigen, You've already saddled him with a staff not of his choice, a pay cut, and a higher cost of living in Bozeman.

Vigen was on the outs in WYO, I'm guessing the IOWA staff isnt the safest with the racial stuff going on with thier HC.

thats why they bolted.

[56BISON73]

MSU went to #5 on their list with Vigen, You've already saddled him with a staff not of his choice, a pay cut, and a higher cost of living in Bozeman.

Vigen was on the outs in WYO, I'm guessing the IOWA staff isnt the safest with the racial stuff going on with thier HC.

thats why they bolted.

Who bolted?

[southcliffbison]

MSU went to #5 on their list with Vigen, You've already saddled him with a staff not of his choice, a pay cut, and a higher cost of living in Bozeman.

Vigen was on the outs in WYO, I'm guessing the IOWA staff isnt the safest with the racial stuff going on with thier HC.

thats why they bolted.

I agree with your first statement; Bozeman is expensive as hell; the median price for a home in Bozo is $595,000.

[kab1one]

MSU went to #5 on their list with Vigen, You've already saddled him with a staff not of his choice, a pay cut, and a higher cost of living in Bozeman.

Vigen was on the outs in WYO, I'm guessing the IOWA staff isnt the safest with the racial stuff going on with thier HC.

thats why they bolted.

In Vigen's case he becomes a head coach. Whether he is good graces or not with Coach Bohl, doesn't seem like Bohl is leaving, so Vigen gets to coach. Who knows all the perks that go with a job at Bozeman. Probably 50-100k in spiffs when all said and down. Country Club, Car, etc..

Same with Polasek- Line coach to OC. Step up. Who knows what is going on with the HC and the Kid, they might be there the next 30 years like the guy at KState.

[blackdiamond2]

I had read Bozeman is really expensive several places - why is it so expensive?

[reformedUNDfan]

I had read Bozeman is really expensive several places - why is it so expensive?

its cold, small and in the middle of nowhere.

[T-Funk]

I had read Bozeman is really expensive several places - why is it so expensive?

Per this article, strict building codes result in lower supply combined large amounts of out of state money (Californians?) driving up prices.

https://bozemanrealestate.group/blog/why-are-homes-in-bozeman-so-expensive

[mtoutfitter]

Per this article, strict building codes result in lower supply combined large amounts of out of state money (Californians?) driving up prices.

https://bozemanrealestate.group/blog/why-are-homes-in-bozeman-so-expensive

West Coasters/Californians....Bingo!! No longer Montana, it's now Bozangeles!

[OrygunBison]

I had read Bozeman is really expensive several places - why is it so expensive?

Everything in California is expensive.

[ZHerd]

I had read Bozeman is really expensive several places - why is it so expensive?

Californians and a large annual migration of earth worshippers...also probably mainly from California

[mtoutfitter]

Californians and a large annual migration of earth worshippers...also probably mainly from California

Earth Worshippers...:rofl:. Brings back memories of my years guiding in the mountains. Getting back into town and the fragrant aroma of body odor and patchoula oil from said "worshippers". Also conjures up visions of dirty hair and females with unshaved pits and legs. Ah, the memories.

[ZHerd]

Earth Worshippers...:rofl:. Brings back memories of my years guiding in the mountains. Getting back into town and the fragrant aroma of body odor and patchoula oil from said "worshippers". Also conjures up visions of dirty hair and females with unshaved pits and legs. Ah, the memories.

I’d put up with all of that for some of the fishing you have probably found

[heffray]

I’d put up with all of that for some of the fishing you have probably found

...and downhill skiing. Best in the world.

[Professor Chaos]

Per this article, strict building codes result in lower supply combined large amounts of out of state money (Californians?) driving up prices.

https://bozemanrealestate.group/blog/why-are-homes-in-bozeman-so-expensive
The Bozeman area needs more Duttons protecting it from the sharks....

https://cheesecake.articleassets.meaww.com/111470/uploads/15e789f0-918e-11e9-a331-1bb6d34939dc_800_420.jpeg

[scottietohottie]

The Bozeman area needs more Duttons protecting it from the sharks....

https://cheesecake.articleassets.meaww.com/111470/uploads/15e789f0-918e-11e9-a331-1bb6d34939dc_800_420.jpeg

Vigen just got his chest branded

[NDSUstudent]

I had read Bozeman is really expensive several places - why is it so expensive?

It is a hotspot for people wanting to flee urban areas now that everyone can work from home. Like others have said Californians were already fleeing to Montana in droves before the pandemic kicked things up another notch.

[mtoutfitter]

I’d put up with all of that for some of the fishing you have probably found

Yes, third meadow of Slough Creek, as well as the upper reaches of Cache Creek and the Lamar were all great. Didn't fish myself but watched a lot of really good fly fisherman.

[2011BisonAlumni]

I had read Bozeman is really expensive several places - why is it so expensive?

Unless you hate

Mountains
Beautiful women
World class fly fishing
World class hunting
Access to public land

Bozeman Montana is a shit hole.

If you like the above, it is the place to be.

[heffray]

Yes, third meadow of Slough Creek, as well as the upper reaches of Cache Creek and the Lamar were all great. Didn't fish myself but watched a lot of really good fly fisherman.

I’m not a fisherman either but I always used to see tons of people fly-fishing the Gallatin River on the way from Bozeman to Big Sky...

[mtoutfitter]

Unless you hate

Mountains
Beautiful women
World class fly fishing
World class hunting
Access to public land

Bozeman Montana is a shit hole.

If you like the above, it is the place to be.

You've got some valid points but ask anyone who grew up in that area and for the most part they'll go with the Shit Hole reply. Into what it's become now, is what I mean.

[bajadanny]

Unless you hate

Mountains
Beautiful women
World class fly fishing
World class hunting
Access to public land

Bozeman Montana is a shit hole.

If you like the above, it is the place to be.

Beautiful women?

[CalBison97]

Beautiful women?

People aren’t leaving California for Idaho for that reason...

[ByeSonBusiness]

I'm sure Bozeman is fine. People who pimp Fargo out probably don't have a big leg to stand on lol

[2011BisonAlumni]

Beautiful women?

College town + ski town = world class hotties

[2011BisonAlumni]

I'm sure Bozeman is fine. People who pimp Fargo out probably don't have a big leg to stand on lol

Fargo is a shit hole

Flat. Cold. Windy. Ugly

Nothing to do there but drink, and you can drink anywhere.

There is a reason homes in Bozeman are twice the price as Fargo. Demand.

[scottietohottie]

They're called snow bunnies you fools.

[Bison Dan]

Fargo is a shit hole

Flat. Cold. Windy. Ugly

Nothing to do there but drink, and you can drink anywhere.

There is a reason homes in Bozeman are twice the price as Fargo. Demand.

You obviously don't know shit about shit holes.

[56BISON73]

Fargo is a shit hole

Flat. Cold. Windy. Ugly

Nothing to do there but drink, and you can drink anywhere.

There is a reason homes in Bozeman are twice the price as Fargo. Demand.

Interesting. I know people who listed their property and sold it in a day. Cookie cutter 20 year old houses appraising for 350K. A buddy just bought a new condo for 494K in south Fargo. You missed this one hugely.

[scottietohottie]

Obviously Vigen doesn't mind living in a shit hole. He's been in Laramie for way longer then any normal human should be allowed in Laramie.

[bajadanny]

College town + ski town = world class hotties

Pack your bags man

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

It will be interesting to see what kind of offense TP runs at Wyoming.

Since there’s already massive thread drift here, I just have to say that the drive from Beartooth Pass down to Tower Junction (Soda Butte, Lamar) is one of the most spectacular I have ever experienced. One of these years I will have to do it in late Sept, early Oct, no doubt. That's a bucket list item right there for sure.

Fargo real-estate is pretty dang hot right now. Building like crazy in South Moorhead. It's an appealing location from the Lakes Country perspective. No, it's not Bozeman, but it has it's own appeal.

[Counter Assault]

Interesting. I know people who listed their property and sold it in a day. Cookie cutter 20 year old houses appraising for 350K. A buddy just bought a new condo for 494K in south Fargo. You missed this one hugely.

No, he didn't. There are more CA and TX plates driving around this place than I've ever seen. Cookie Cutter 20 year old houses around here are 2X Fargo. Nice houses have easily pushed over $1M.

The median home price in Bozeman is $600K and has appreciated 60% in two years. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-11/the-zoom-town-boom-in-bozeman-montana. https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/bozeman-gallatin-county-housing-prices-escalate-median-prices-approach-600k/article_944d8c86-b089-597d-8235-5b6512e05a7b.html

[mtoutfitter]

It will be interesting to see what kind of offense TP runs at Wyoming.

Since there’s already massive thread drift here, I just have to say that the drive from Beartooth Pass down to Tower Junction (Soda Butte, Lamar) is one of the most spectacular I have ever experienced. One of these years I will have to do it in late Sept, early Oct, no doubt. That's a bucket list item right there for sure.

Fargo real-estate is pretty dang hot right now. Building like crazy in South Moorhead. It's an appealing location from the Lakes Country perspective. No, it's not Bozeman, but it has it's own appeal.

One problem, the pass is not plowed after Labor Day is usually closed by Sept 15-20.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

One problem, the pass is not plowed after Labor Day is usually closed by Sept 15-20.

Seriously? Dang, I thought I read that the pass closed in early Oct (Oct. 11 was the date I saw). Is it variable?

When is peak fall color around Cooke City typically? Mid to late Sept? When does the snow usually stick around there?

[2011BisonAlumni]

Pack your bags man

Already did 2 years ago when I moved to Montana.

[mtoutfitter]

Seriously? Dang, I thought I read that the pass closed in early Oct (Oct. 11 was the date I saw). Is it variable?

When is peak fall color around Cooke City typically? Mid to late Sept? When does the snow usually stick around there?

Yes it varies but they don't plow after Labor Day so it just depends on the weather. You can always come over Dead Indian Pass (Chief Joseph) and head up towards the pass and probably get within 5 miles of the first summit, then turn around and continue on down thru Cooke City and Silvergate to the Lamar Valley. Road from Cooke to Tower is open ally yr for school bus and medical emergencies. Edit...It's been about 6 yrs since I quit spending my summers and early fall up there so maybe they've changed road maintenance but I'd be surprised if they did.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Interesting. I know people who listed their property and sold it in a day. Cookie cutter 20 year old houses appraising for 350K. A buddy just bought a new condo for 494K in south Fargo. You missed this one hugely.

LMFAO.....

That Cookie cutter 20 year old $350k Fargo house is $700k in Bozeman.

There isn't a comparison man. Let's just put it this way. I know very few people from Montana who have ever vacationed in/around Fargo, ND. I know many MANY people from Fargo who travel to Bozeman on a regular basis to ski, hunt, fish etc.

[ByeSonBusiness]

LMFAO.....

That Cookie cutter 20 year old $350k Fargo house is $700k in Bozeman.

There isn't a comparison man. Let's just put it this way. I know very few people from Montana who have ever vacationed in/around Fargo, ND. I know many MANY people from Fargo who travel to Bozeman on a regular basis to ski, hunt, fish etc.

I mean.... one is a ski-town and the other is hours from anything resembling a destination.

Two very different markets. Doesn't make one better or worse. A shitty brownstone in Manhattan costs millions of dollars, doesn't make it better than somewhere homes are cheap.

[2011BisonAlumni]

I mean.... one is a ski-town and the other is hours from anything resembling a destination.

Two very different markets. Doesn't make one better or worse. A shitty brownstone in Manhattan costs millions of dollars, doesn't make it better than somewhere homes are cheap.

Ah....ya.

One place when you get off work, you can mountain bike, ski, hunt, fish etc. Whatever you want.

The other place when you get off work, you go to your house, sit in inside and plan vacations to the other place.

Trust me man. I've lived both places. If you can afford it, there literally is no comparison. There is a reason people dream of living in Montana, buy second homes here etc.

Fargo ND sucks. The only people who live there, do so because A.) they don't know any better B.) are afraid of moving / are too attached to family or C.) moved there for a job and don't care about anything else.

[scottietohottie]

If only Detroit lakes wasn't like a ten hour drive from Fargo. Dang it. Right lakes? What ever floats your boat I guess. Bozeman is just the last pit stop before island park for me.

[2011BisonAlumni]

If only Detroit lakes wasn't like a ten hour drive from Fargo. Dang it. Right lakes? What ever floats your boat I guess. Bozeman is just the last pit stop before island park for me.

I mean if you like lakes with 1 boat per 10 square yard, muddy water, ANS and marginal fishing, then yep DL is the place for you.

I'd much rather hike into a mountain lake and fly fish for cuts or go to Flathead and see breathtaking scenery.

If you are in Bozeman, the rivers take over anything a Minnesota lake in "Lake Country" has to offer. Go float Paradise Valley sometime...that, or you are a 60 minute drive to Canyon Ferry

[heffray]

Fargo ND sucks. The only people who live there, do so because A.) they don't know any better B.) are afraid of moving / are too attached to family or C.) moved there for a job and don't care about anything else.

Between you and Thunder Dan shitting on ND, I am going to lose it.

The quote above is stated as a fact, but it is, in fact, an opinion (Can we get Facts in here to confirm?)...

You don’t like Fargo. Cool. Other people do. Your opinion doesn’t invalidate anyone else’s preference.

Stay away from Fargo if you don’t like it.

[mtoutfitter]

As a Montana guy I have to say that Fargo is a destination for me, but only for Bison football or the RRV Sports Show.......:D

[ByeSonBusiness]

Ah....ya.

One place when you get off work, you can mountain bike, ski, hunt, fish etc. Whatever you want.

The other place when you get off work, you go to your house, sit in inside and plan vacations to the other place.

Trust me man. I've lived both places. If you can afford it, there literally is no comparison. There is a reason people dream of living in Montana, buy second homes here etc.

Fargo ND sucks. The only people who live there, do so because A.) they don't know any better B.) are afraid of moving / are too attached to family or C.) moved there for a job and don't care about anything else.

I'm far from a Fargo apologist. It's okay. Not at the top of my list either, even by ND standards.

If I won the lottery, I'd probably buy a place in the mountains, the gulf, etc. Would be nice to enjoy the benefits of other places on occasion. Lived in touristy area before, would rather avoid living in a similar situation again. Nice to be able to golf year-round and what not, just not my idea of a full-time living situation.

I dont think anyone is going to contest that one is more scenic and probably a solid place to have a second house. Destin and Panama City FL are great places to spend time too. Lots of golf, some of the best beaches in the country, great weather. Doesn't mean folks are naive, small-minded, or afraid of change if they would rather live elsewhere.

Fargo is fine. I'm sure Bozeman is too. One of my buddies lives there, seems to enjoy it.

[reformedUNDfan]

I'd take Fargo over Bozeman 10 times out of 10. Lakes country is like half an hour away.

[acf2]

Where does Bismarck or Rapid City stack up in this comparison???

[2011BisonAlumni]

I'd take Fargo over Bozeman 10 times out of 10. Lakes country is like half an hour away.

Ever float through paradise valley or spend any time on Canyon Ferry?

[23Bison]

Too me floating down a beautiful river flowing through a valley full of private property doesn’t seem all that great. Sitting on a boat deep in lake country early in the morning with the fog lifting and listening to loons call while looking at a shoreline full public land. It’s all about perspective.

[1998braves64]

I wouldn't even consider Bozeman a true ski town. Closest ski area is Bridger 16 miles away. Big Sky is what 30-35 miles? I mean drivable to ski areas yes but I consider ski towns places like aspen/park city/breckenridge/teton village that literally at the ski mountain. Somewhat put Jackson & Bozeman in the same "group".

Bozeman has benefitted from the influx of rich Californians (and rich people in general check out yellowstone club by big sky, think it's close to half a mil just to join the club then you have to build a ritzy house/condo on whatever land you purchase there too, maybe not a requirement but if you're going to drop that kind of cash wouldn't you want to?), and good for them. Most native Bozeman and Belgrade people that lived there over 20+ years say it has changed for the worse with many of them bringing their Cali ideas and implementing them on MT.

[reformedUNDfan]

Ever float through paradise valley or spend any time on Canyon Ferry?

don't care. I've spent 5 weeks in Glacier

[Kujava23]

Shoot, I came to this thread thinking people might have an opinion on Montana State's new coaching hire----

What job is better---- HC Montana State or OC Wyoming

[TAILG8R]

Shoot, I came to this thread thinking people might have an opinion on Montana State's new coaching hire----

What job is better---- HC Montana State or OC Wyoming

HC Montana St.

[G_Funky]

Have they announced a DC yet? Think he could pull AJ Cooper or John Richardson from Wazzu? Maybe Stanard from KSU? Maybe Willie Mac Garza (so much purple) or Mike Breske (slightly less purple).

Just trying to think of guys he's worked with since NDSU that dont have bigtime FBS gigs.

[bajadanny]

I wouldn't even consider Bozeman a true ski town. Closest ski area is Bridger 16 miles away. Big Sky is what 30-35 miles? I mean drivable to ski areas yes but I consider ski towns places like aspen/park city/breckenridge/teton village that literally at the ski mountain. Somewhat put Jackson & Bozeman in the same "group".

Bozeman has benefitted from the influx of rich Californians (and rich people in general check out yellowstone club by big sky, think it's close to half a mil just to join the club then you have to build a ritzy house/condo on whatever land you purchase there too, maybe not a requirement but if you're going to drop that kind of cash wouldn't you want to?), and good for them. Most native Bozeman and Belgrade people that lived there over 20+ years say it has changed for the worse with many of them bringing their Cali ideas and implementing them on MT.

That would really suck living next to people like that, no thanks

[bajadanny]

Ever float through paradise valley or spend any time on Canyon Ferry?

I have worked all over that state and man there is some serious narrow mindedness, hack on North Dakota all day every day, kind of a sickness

[mtoutfitter]

I have worked all over that state and man there is some serious narrow mindedness, hack on North Dakota all day every day, kind of a sickness

You are correct, it can be kinda bad. Although it's not quite as bad on the east end of the state where more people are involved with agriculture, those folks appreciate what ND does when it comes to ag.

[56BISON73]

Ever float through paradise valley or spend any time on Canyon Ferry?

Do you do that every day? I can fish a different a different piece of water everyday where I live. Floating???? If thats your thing great. But thats not the end all for the majority of people.

Where I live in MN there is NO other place that I would rather be and Ive lived in 7 different states and have traveled the majority of them.

Congrats---youve found your home. Stay there.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Do you do that every day? I can fish a different a different piece of water everyday where I live. Floating???? If thats your thing great. But thats not the end all for the majority of people.

Where I live in MN there is NO other place that I would rather be and Ive lived in 7 different states and have traveled the majority of them.

Congrats---youve found your home. Stay there.

Didn’t know Fargo, North Dakota was in Minnesota, surrounded by lakes.

I haven’t “found my home”......I’m just saying Bozeman is a pretty rad place.

[heffray]

Didn’t know Fargo, North Dakota was in Minnesota, surrounded by lakes.

I haven’t “found my home”......I’m just saying Bozeman is a pretty rad place.

...you also said Fargo sucks. 2 opinions.

You suck. There’s my opinion.

[heckler]

Fargo does suck and I actually live here. People keep bringing up the lakes...so Fargo is the best city to live in because you want to leave it every chance you get? The only argument you are making is that lakes country (not in the same city let alone the same state) is better than Fargo. Your argument is literally Fargo is better because I like to not be in Fargo. Wtf...

[heffray]

Fargo does suck and I actually live here. People keep bringing up the lakes...so Fargo is the best city to live in because you want to leave it every chance you get? The only argument you are making is that lakes country (not in the same city let alone the same state) is better than Fargo. Your argument is literally Fargo is better because I like to not be in Fargo. Wtf...

I live here, too, and I don’t think it sucks! I also like pizza and my favorite color is green!

Opinions are fun!

[scottietohottie]

I live here, too, and I don’t think it sucks! I also like pizza and my favorite color is green!

Opinions are fun!

When I lived in Laramie I was buying booze at a liquor store and the lady looked at my ID and said rolla? I'm from langdon moved out here and never looked back ain't it great? I said actually this place made me realize I like north dakota and I'm moving back once school is done here. To each there own. I used to always go to David Rays wrestling camp in Havre Montana. Like 6 or 7 years in a row. I could not belive the hate Montana had for North Dakota. It was constant dumb nd guy jokes. I even remember saying to the one guy I've never even heard a Montanan joke and the guy replied that's because your to stupid in north Dakota. Those boys could wrestle. I'll give them that.

[scottietohottie]

I came to the conclusion that states make fun of the states east of them. Not sure what they do on the cost.

[bajadanny]

When I lived in Laramie I was buying booze at a liquor store and the lady looked at my ID and said rolla? I'm from langdon moved out here and never looked back ain't it great? I said actually this place made me realize I like north dakota and I'm moving back once school is done here. To each there own. I used to always go to David Rays wrestling camp in Havre Montana. Like 6 or 7 years in a row. I could not belive the hate Montana had for North Dakota. It was constant dumb nd guy jokes. I even remember saying to the one guy I've never even heard a Montanan joke and the guy replied that's because your to stupid in north Dakota. Those boys could wrestle. I'll give them that.


Man I totally understand what your saying very strange, it is like a disease they all have, I plan on never going to that shithole again. My opinion

[bajadanny]

That shithole state not great harve

[tolnabison]

Not sure if this was posted anywhere, but Vigen hired former Bison Freddie Banks to be his DC. He was the cornerbacks coach at Nevada last year.

https://www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-state-bobcats/sources-nevadas-freddie-banks-set-to-be-montana-states-defensive-coordinator

[G_Funky]

Not sure if this was posted anywhere, but Vigen hired former Bison Freddie Banks to be his DC. He was the cornerbacks coach at Nevada last year.

https://www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-state-bobcats/sources-nevadas-freddie-banks-set-to-be-montana-states-defensive-coordinator

This is awesome! Freddie is a great dude and has been absolutely grinding over the past few years. Definitely deserving and I think he'll do an excellent job!