Bison vs. Bunnies

[PaBizon]

This looks like it will be a close match that comes down to who secures more bonus points. SDSU seems to be strongest where NDSU isn’t and visa versa. Here’s my prediction

125 SDSU - 3 Midkiff tech’d Vega in November but much has changed for both wrestlers
133 NDSU - 5 hoping for more than a major here as Cam will want to stick it to SDSU for maybe the last time
141 SDSU - 3 toss up Match. Dylan can win this one
149 SDSU - 4 Jaden was actually forcing the issue last year against Pohlmeyer until he got caught and pinned
157 NDSU - 4 Franek has looked good lately. Tireless
165 NDSU - 4 must have bonus points here
174 NDSU - 3 Weber has been good at 174 until the AF meet when he tried to out muscle a bigger/stronger guy
184 SDSU - 4 hoping to give up no more than four
197 SDSU - 4 Sloan has been really good as of late
Hwt NDSU - 3 Metz is 4-0 against against Wolters. 1 pin and 3 dec

NDSU 19
SDSU 18

[RadioBison]

This looks like it will be a close match that comes down to who secures more bonus points. SDSU seems to be strongest where NDSU isn’t and visa versa. Here’s my prediction

125 SDSU - 3 Midkiff tech’d Vega in November but much has changed for both wrestlers
133 NDSU - 5 hoping for more than a major here as Cam will want to stick it to SDSU for maybe the last time
141 SDSU - 3 toss up Match. Dylan can win this one
149 SDSU - 4 Jaden was actually forcing the issue last year against Pohlmeyer until he got caught and pinned
157 NDSU - 4 Franek has looked good lately. Tireless
165 NDSU - 4 must have bonus points here
174 NDSU - 3 Weber has been good at 174 until the AF meet when he tried to out muscle a bigger/stronger guy
184 SDSU - 4 hoping to give up no more than four
197 SDSU - 4 Sloan has been really good as of late
Hwt NDSU - 3 Metz is 4-0 against against Wolters. 1 pin and 3 dec

NDSU 19
SDSU 18

This seems very reasonable to me. The weight that concerns me the most is 165. Not that Fogarty won't handle it, but Cook hits too many big moves for me to be comfortable.

I'm still upset over that JVM match from last time, with a defensive touch fall called with 12-seconds to go. I'm convinced he would have been an NQ last year if that didn't happen.

[Big Bird]

I'd be surprised if Cook wrestles 165. They have a hole at 174 and bumped Cook up against Stanford.

He'd have a size advantage over Weber, and Fogarty wouldn't get exposed to his style. When guys are funky/unorthodox like Cook, they're generally better/more effective the first time other guys see them. Cook gives up his legs fairly regularly, and if his opponent finishes shots quickly, he isn't dangerous.

I'd be surprised if Cam techs Price. Price is really solid and will be a tough matchup. Smith has improved 157 for SDSU too and will make Franek work for it.

I think 125, 141, 174, and HWT are the big ones that will decide the dual.

Hopefully Midkiff can beat Vega again, but I would favor Vega. Getting the first takedown and taking over on top will be huge for Midkiff.
Droegemueller hasn't beaten Carlson yet, but he's been close. He has been able to get in on shots, but hasn't been able to finish them. That'll be the key for this one.
174 should be big, especially if it is Weber vs Cook. High potential for a fall if these two square off.
At HWT, Metz is obviously the favorite, but Wolters has improved and could keep it close. If Metz stays active, he could dominate him, because Wolters really doesn't do much.

[PaBizon]

I'd be surprised if Cook wrestles 165. They have a hole at 174 and bumped Cook up against Stanford.

He'd have a size advantage over Weber, and Fogarty wouldn't get exposed to his style. When guys are funky/unorthodox like Cook, they're generally better/more effective the first time other guys see them. Cook gives up his legs fairly regularly, and if his opponent finishes shots quickly, he isn't dangerous.

I'd be surprised if Cam techs Price. Price is really solid and will be a tough matchup. Smith has improved 157 for SDSU too and will make Franek work for it.

I think 125, 141, 174, and HWT are the big ones that will decide the dual.

Hopefully Midkiff can beat Vega again, but I would favor Vega. Getting the first takedown and taking over on top will be huge for Midkiff.
Droegemueller hasn't beaten Carlson yet, but he's been close. He has been able to get in on shots, but hasn't been able to finish them. That'll be the key for this one.
174 should be big, especially if it is Weber vs Cook. High potential for a fall if these two square off.
At HWT, Metz is obviously the favorite, but Wolters has improved and could keep it close. If Metz stays active, he could dominate him, because Wolters really doesn't do much.

Moving Cook up probably means O’Neill wrestles 165. IMO if that happens Fogarty wins by fall and 174 is still a tough match to call.

[SlickVic]

This looks like it will be a close match that comes down to who secures more bonus points. SDSU seems to be strongest where NDSU isn’t and visa versa. Here’s my prediction

125 SDSU - 3 Midkiff tech’d Vega in November but much has changed for both wrestlers
133 NDSU - 5 hoping for more than a major here as Cam will want to stick it to SDSU for maybe the last time
141 SDSU - 3 toss up Match. Dylan can win this one
149 SDSU - 4 Jaden was actually forcing the issue last year against Pohlmeyer until he got caught and pinned
157 NDSU - 4 Franek has looked good lately. Tireless
165 NDSU - 4 must have bonus points here
174 NDSU - 3 Weber has been good at 174 until the AF meet when he tried to out muscle a bigger/stronger guy
184 SDSU - 4 hoping to give up no more than four
197 SDSU - 4 Sloan has been really good as of late
Hwt NDSU - 3 Metz is 4-0 against against Wolters. 1 pin and 3 dec

NDSU 19
SDSU 18

nice handicapin PA!!! but u need 2 take into account the amount of horses 2 b fed-------o wait this is wrastlin------in any event in Bucky we trust bison will b fine need 2 get a statue of that legend yesterday PL. has some great stories and so do i love that guy

[Big Bird]

Moving Cook up probably means O’Neill wrestles 165. IMO if that happens Fogarty wins by fall and 174 is still a tough match to call.

Agreed, but if I'm Hahn, I would do it. Pretty unlikely Cook beats Fogarty and Weber is probably a favorite over any non-Cook option. SDSU Is likely staring at a -6 (or more) differential if they wrestle these weights straight up. If they bump Cook up, they're favored at 174 while pretty likely to give up bonus at 165, making them a likely -3 (or less) differential.

Maybe we see NDSU weigh both Fogarty and Weber at 165 and try to keep Fogarty on Cook, and get Weber the weaker of the two weights. NDSU did bump Cam up a couple years ago to get him on Pohlmeyer rather than Gross, and it helped.

[PaBizon]

nice handicapin PA!!! but u need 2 take into account the amount of horses 2 b fed-------o wait this is wrastlin------in any event in Bucky we trust bison will b fine need 2 get a statue of that legend yesterday PL. has some great stories and so do i love that guy

I’ll be the first to donate to the statue. You in?

[PaBizon]

Agreed, but if I'm Hahn, I would do it. Pretty unlikely Cook beats Fogarty and Weber is probably a favorite over any non-Cook option. SDSU Is likely staring at a -6 (or more) differential if they wrestle these weights straight up. If they bump Cook up, they're favored at 174 while pretty likely to give up bonus at 165, making them a likely -3 (or less) differential.

Maybe we see NDSU weigh both Fogarty and Weber at 165 and try to keep Fogarty on Cook, and get Weber the weaker of the two weights. NDSU did bump Cam up a couple years ago to get him on Pohlmeyer rather than Gross, and it helped.

I think you’re right that Hahn will bump Cook up to 174. Wrestle stat shows 3 common opponents for Weber (3-0) and Cook (2-1) with Weber winning the match 9-8. Holding Fogarty to match with Cook sounds good but on the road don’t we have to declare first? SDSU could control the situation to how they want it which probably means putting Cook against Weber at either weight.

[PaBizon]

This seems very reasonable to me. The weight that concerns me the most is 165. Not that Fogarty won't handle it, but Cook hits too many big moves for me to be comfortable.

I'm still upset over that JVM match from last time, with a defensive touch fall called with 12-seconds to go. I'm convinced he would have been an NQ last year if that didn't happen.

I agree. Losing the way Jaden did last year seemed to zap the life out of him.

[RadioBison]

Holding Fogarty to match with Cook sounds good but on the road don’t we have to declare first?

I think it all depends on a coin toss and the resulting selections. One side declares first on even matches, the other side declares first on odd matches.

[PaBizon]

I think it all depends on a coin toss and the resulting selections. One side declares first on even matches, the other side declares first on odd matches.

Thanks. I did not know that

[Big Bird]

Senior night for the Bunnies. Hopefully it goes really poorly for them.

Dual starting at 125 shortly. Some huge matches right out of the gate as 125 and 141 are matches that favor the Jacks, but NDSU could win.

Midkiff soundly beat Vega at the Bison Open but they've had widely divergent seasons since then, with Vega notching multiple ranked wins on his way to a top 20 season.

Carlson beat Droegemueller twice at the Bison Open, but they were both close. If Droge can finish his shots, he wins.

I actually don't expect 133 to be a runaway either.

Jacks should be a slight favorite at home tonight, but a couple key matches will determine the winner tonight (and maybe the flip). 125, 141, 174, and HWT are the big ones tonight with NDSU a favorite at HWT and maybe 174.

Should be a good one.

[Big Bird]

Midkiff gives up the opening takedown, but answers with an immediate escape and takedown to take a lead. Vega escaped and Midkiff got another takedown and built his riding time before giving up a late reversal. 6-5 Midkiff after one. Good start.

Hopefully Mac has enough in the tank tonight.

Midkiff looks a lot bigger than Vega

[RadioBison]

How did Mac get the tech at the BO?

[Big Bird]

7-5 Midkiff after 2, Vega will start neutral. Riding time erased. Finish strong Mac

[Big Bird]

How did Mac get the tech at the BO?

On top (ten char)

[Big Bird]

Midkiff in deep with 20 to go. 1 pt lead

[Big Bird]

Midkiff may have lost at the buzzer. Looked like he stopped wrestling and it will be close.

Review ongoing. Huge swing here

[RadioBison]

Midkiff may have lost at the buzzer. Looked like he stopped wrestling and it will be close.

Review ongoing. Huge swing here

Saved by the bell.

[Big Bird]

Midkiff hangs on for an 8-7 win!!! Huge win for the team and Mac!!!

[Big Bird]

This match worries me, Price is long, Physical, and a go-er.

[RadioBison]

This match worries me, Price is long, Physical, and a go-er.

I'm worried about the announcer.

[Big Bird]

Cam gives up the opening takedown, and then rips off 7 straight points. Keep it rolling.

[Big Bird]

12-4 Cam after one. Sykora has riding time and Price has been warned for stalling. Great start

[RadioBison]

Awesome start

[Big Bird]

Second period tech for Cam! He even draws some boo birds from the bunny faithful.

Big one here.

[RadioBison]

I haven't seen a mask in a while.

[Big Bird]

I'm worried about the announcer.

I believe it's Terry Pack. Cough does sound rough. Terry was at a recent dual supporting NDSU assistant coach/his son Cody Pack and was even rocking an NDSU wrestling shirt.

I like Terry announcing. He generally roots for SDSU, but doesn't let it bias him and is knowledgeable.

[Big Bird]

Carlson controlling the ties and preventing Droegemueller from getting on his offense. Carlson leads 2-1 after one.

[Big Bird]

Dylan has to get to his finishes quicker. At least he got in deep on one and knows he can do it.

Dylan trails 3-1 after two and will start down.

Both guys with one legit shot so far. The difference is Carlson has a takedown.

[Big Bird]

Droegemueller with a reversal, Carlson gets away to lead 4-3.

[RadioBison]

I believe it's Terry Pack. Cough does sound rough. Terry was at a recent dual supporting NDSU assistant coach/his son Cody Pack and was even rocking an NDSU wrestling shirt.

I like Terry announcing. He generally roots for SDSU, but doesn't let it bias him and is knowledgeable.

I didn't know who he was. He does a fine job.

[Big Bird]

Late takedown for Carlson and he wins by decision. NDSU up 8-3.

Van Maanen takes on #9 Pohlmeyer.

[Christopher Moen]

Van Maanen needs to finish those deep single leg attacks.

[Big Bird]

Jaden in deep and gives up the takedown. Needs to win this on his feet, because Pohlmeyer is great on top

[Big Bird]

Van Maanen needs to finish those deep single leg attacks.

Especially with how good Pohlmeyer is on top. Need to finish, but absolutely can't give up two there.

[RadioBison]

Auto bottom here???

[Big Bird]

Good job by Jaden of continuing to build back up.

Down 2-0 after one and a ton of riding time for Pohlmeyer.

[Big Bird]

Auto bottom here???

Worst possible choice in this scenario.

On the bright side, Jaden kept working on bottom and that's a positive development.

[RadioBison]

Worst possible choice in this scenario.

On the bright side, Jaden kept working on bottom and that's a positive development.

Worked out better than I expected.

[Big Bird]

SDSU fans super annoying...that potentially dangerous with a minute left was awfully close to a penalty point for JVM. We've seen that called multiple times this year when a guy has the toe and turns.

Van Mannen loses 3-0.

Jaden took the only shot, and had he finished it, he probably wins.

[Big Bird]

Great start for Franek, 6-0 lead very quickly.

[RadioBison]

Fantastic first half

[Christopher Moen]

Nice TF for Franek! Looks like he knows how import this rivalry dual is.

[Big Bird]

Franek with the takedown with 15 seconds left for the tech fall!

NDSU leads 13-6 at intermission. NDSU will be favored at 165 and HWT too. If they can win those and minimize bonus, they win.

[RadioBison]

I think they take the mat first at 165, if that comes into play.

[Big Bird]

O'Neil at 165 for SDSU. Cook likely bumping to 174.

Fogarty needs (and should get) bonus points here.

[Big Bird]

If we get Weber vs Cook at 174, there should be fireworks. I'd be stunned if it was low scoring

[RadioBison]

That's for sure

[Big Bird]

Very slow first period for Fogarty, but he leads 2-0. Need to pick up the pace here.

[RadioBison]

Fogarty takes top. Merciless

[Big Bird]

Fogarty up 8-0 with RT after two, but couldn't secure the fall.

[larson311]

That was puzzling


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[Christopher Moen]

Costly takedown to give up at the end. Cost the team one point for missing the major.

[Big Bird]

Fogarty loses the major at the end. Honestly, he didn't wrestle with any urgency and that will not get it done at B12s or NCAAs.

NDSU up 16-6.

[Big Bird]

Cook up 6-0 right away. Weber not afraid to go upper body, but that plays into what Cook does well.

[Christopher Moen]

Cook up 6-0 right away. Weber not afraid to go upper body, but that plays into what Cook does well.

Can't attack upper body with your hips high if your opponent is a good thrower and has a height advantage.

[Big Bird]

Weber has been on his back twice. That 100% should have been a takedown for Weber, and then a reversal for Cook.

15-4 Cook after the first. Have to hand it to the kid, he is always looking to go big and pretty damn good at it.

[Christopher Moen]

Cook is clearly gassed. Time to cut him and attack!

[Big Bird]

Cook breathing awfully heavy already

[Big Bird]

Huge takedown by Weber at the end of the period. 16-6 Cook and Weber starts neutral. Cook looks exhausted

[Big Bird]

Weber with another takedown

[Big Bird]

Weber close to another takedown but loses 17-8.

SDSU should dominate the next two matches and it will all could down to HWT. NDSU will be favored, but not impossible for Wolters to win

[Christopher Moen]

That should be a DQ.

[RadioBison]

Definitely

[Big Bird]

Cheap shot by Carlson for a penalty and the jackass fans boo.

[Big Bird]

That should be a DQ.

Absolute bush league. The only thing that was going to accomplish was injure Cressell.

[scottietohottie]

I need more details. Seriously just following along here

[Christopher Moen]

Absolute bush league. The only thing that was going to accomplish was injure Cressell.

It's a way to paralyze someone for life. Good thing Cressell wasn't looking upwards.

[RadioBison]

I need more details. Seriously just following along here

Piledriver

[Big Bird]

I need more details. Seriously just following along here

It's hard to explain. Carlson took a shot, resulted in cressell in the air, but tying up carlson. Carlson wasn't finishing the shot, so he dropped Cressell hard, directly on his head.

[Big Bird]

Terrible match by Cressell.

Eaton has to keep this to a decision, and Metz will need a win

[larson311]

That was about worst case scenario, Eaton needs to not get bonused.


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[RadioBison]

We're up 17-16

[Big Bird]

Carlson also did the "horns down" after the match. Classy after he tried to seriously injure a guy.

Fogarty losing his major is looking huge right now.

[Big Bird]

If Eaton just gets off his knees, maybe he can get a go behind or at least tire sloan out. Do the little things

[Big Bird]

Eaton trails 3-1 after 2 and will start down. If he can avoid a tilt, he should avoid the major

[Big Bird]

Cordell trails 3-2 late. Takedown would win it. Needs to commit to one

[RadioBison]

Let's go Metz

[Christopher Moen]

Carlson also did the "horns down" after the match. Classy after he tried to seriously injure a guy.

Fogarty losing his major is looking huge right now.

If Metz wins, the lost extra point won't make a difference anymore.

[Big Bird]

Eaton loses 3-2. Solid job by him against a top 15 guy.

Whoever wins HWT wins the dual. Metz is 3-0 vs Wolters and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more talented than Wolters. That being said, Wolters can keep matches close, senior night, and at home.

[Big Bird]

Metz with a takedown off a beautifully timed shot. With his athleticism and Wolters lack of athleticism, he can do that at will.

[Christopher Moen]

Metz looks hungry early on!

[Big Bird]

Metz should not attempt any throws here. Make Wolters show he is capable of taking you down with an attack

[Big Bird]

2-1 Metz leads after the first. Has a good amount of riding time too. Wolters starts on bottom

[Big Bird]

2-2 after the second and Metz will start on bottom. Metz has 55 seconds of RT

[Big Bird]

Metz up 3-2 after a quick escape. No stall calls either way.

[Big Bird]

Metz gets called for a stall at 30 seconds, but hangs on for the 3-2 win, and NDSU wins by 1!

[Christopher Moen]

Good 19-18 win for the Bison!!!

[RadioBison]

That got a little tight, but I'll take it.

[scottietohottie]

Very nice Bison.

[Tony Almeida]

Too close for comfort, but a great win. Thanks for the play-by-play guys, awesome as always.

[Big Bird]

McGwire Midkiff with the big win at 125 was the match that swung the dual in NDSU's favor. Great job by him to set the tone.

[RadioBison]

Metz with a takedown off a beautifully timed shot. With his athleticism and Wolters lack of athleticism, he can do that at will.

I just wish he would try that a little more often.

[RadioBison]

McGwire Midkiff with the big win at 125 was the match that swung the dual in NDSU's favor. Great job by him to set the tone.

Also lots of good efforts to get or not give up bonus points.

[PaBizon]

great dual that was bound to come down to the last match.
Hats off to Midkiff. His win got them the victory
Cam got the tech that I thought he would
Dylan needs to get better at finishing his shots and the wins will come
Jaden wrestled well against a solid guy
Franek is a top ten wrestler. Tireless
Fogarty needs a sense of urgency if he’s going to win the big 12 and have a shot at the podium
Weber can not try to,outmuscle people at 174. I thought he could have used his speed and had a chance in that match.
Carlson is a hack. Good wrestler but that was a calculated slam with intent to injure
Nice match by Cordell against their best wrestler
Metz has to trust himself shooting against guys he’s better than. Should have had at least three takedowns against Wolters

Congrats to the BiZon on keeping the Bell !!!!!!

[Christopher Moen]

great dual that was bound to come down to the last match.
Hats off to Midkiff. His win got them the victory
Cam got the tech that I thought he would
Dylan needs to get better at finishing his shots and the wins will come
Jaden wrestled well against a solid guy
Franek is a top ten wrestler. Tireless
Fogarty needs a sense of urgency if he’s going to win the big 12 and have a shot at the podium
Weber can not try to,outmuscle people at 174. I thought he could have used his speed and had a chance in that match.
Carlson is a hack. Good wrestler but that was a calculated slam with intent to injure
Nice match by Cordell against their best wrestler
Metz has to trust himself shooting against guys he’s better than. Should have had at least three takedowns against Wolters

Congrats to the BiZon on keeping the Bell !!!!!!

BTW, do you have any lottery numbers you want to share since you predict the score correctly?

Also on the Carlson slam, you are absolutely right about the intent to injure, and in my opinion, it needs to be an automatic disqualification for brutality. No good comes from that move. Heck, I'm not sure if I've seen anyone awarded a takedown from that position.

[PaBizon]

BTW, do you have any lottery numbers you want to share since you predict the score correctly?

Also on the Carlson slam, you are absolutely right about the intent to injure, and in my opinion, it needs to be an automatic disqualification for brutality. No good comes from that move. Heck, I'm not sure if I've seen anyone awarded a takedown from that position.

I wish I had bought a lottery ticket!!!! Better to be lucky than good. I agree on the auto disqualification. IMO the ref should automatically review it and make the call. Not the coaches or wrestler.

[RadioBison]

It's hard to explain. Carlson took a shot, resulted in cressell in the air, but tying up carlson. Carlson wasn't finishing the shot, so he dropped Cressell hard, directly on his head.

I was joking when I called it a pile-driver, but this was actually the best picture I could find on the internet outside of Flowresting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jumping_piledriver_(cropped).jpg

But, you have to turn it upside down and imagine Carlson is the guy in red and standing on the ground, and Cressel is the guy in black holding on. Carlson basically sat down really fast and sent Cressel head first into the mat.

[El_Chapo]

Great win! 100 replies on a Wrestling Match thread. that's awesome.