Early Signing Day 2019

[Professor Chaos]

Early Christmas morning for Bison football fans! LOIs already starting to roll in:

1. Mason Miller 6'6" 232 OL (Ada, MN): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207286846176317442
2. Cam Miller 6'1" 205 QB (Solon, IA): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207288030190559236
3. Marques Sigle 5'10" 170 CB (Omaha, NB): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207289034168557569
4. Oscar Benson 6'0" 180 LB (Hillsboro, ND): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207289587464318976
5. Tyler Terhark 6'2" 192 WR (West Fargo, ND): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207289968630095877
6. Sam Jung 5'10" 175 S (Neenah, WI): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207290315192836104
7. Hayden Johnston 6'1' 259 OL (Albert Lea, MN): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207290782811639808
8. Ty Satter 6'1" 167 S (Fargo, ND): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207291711707373568
9. Raja Nelson 5'8" 175 WR (Lakeville, MN): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207293281165557760
10. Dominic Gonnella 5'11" 190 RB (Riverview, FL): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207293999930851331
11. Joseph Deyak 6'2" 190 WR (West St Paul, MN): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207294407810146304
12. TK Marshall 5'11" 189 RB (Minneapolis, MN): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207294798274744320
13. Jack Bram 6'3" 215 TE (Maryville, MO): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207295373640970240
14. Tyson Gordon 6'2" 177 S (Omaha, NE): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207295760754192384
15. Joe Stoffel 6'3" 234 TE (River Falls, WI): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207296485756481536
16. Nick Radunz 6'3" 295 OL (Becker, MN via NDSCS): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207297684681433088
17. Nolan Jacobs 6'2" 243 DT (Cedar Rapids, IA): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207300060540735488
18. Trey Steinbach 6'3" 220 DE (Marshall, MN): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207300403152506880
19. Joe Kava 5'11" 229 DT (Moorhead, MN): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207301391875788800
20. Cole Wisniewski 6'3" 189 LB (Sparta, WI): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207302167180333056
21. Loshiaka Roques 6'3" 215 DE (Maple Grove, MN): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207303019441905664
22. Seth Anderson 6'5" 253 DL/OL (Moorhead, MN): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207304418259021825
23. Grey Zabel 6'5" 247 OL (Pierre, SD): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207308237369958408
24: Andre Carrier 6'3" 197 TE (Cavalier, ND): https://twitter.com/NDSUfootball/status/1207308727059128322


Here's the full list on GoBison with capsules on each player: https://gobison.com/signingday/football/3/

[Professor Chaos]

As of 8:13AM a few big names still waiting on:

Seth Anderson
Loshiaka Roques
Grey Zabel

EDIT: Shaka is in!

EDIT2: There's Anderson!

[HerdistheWord]

As of 8:13AM a few big names still waiting on:

Seth Anderson
Loshiaka Roques
Grey Zabel


EDIT: Shaka is in!

EDIT2: There's Anderson!

Shaka is a pretty big get, correct?

[ndsubison1]

Any thoughts on Benson? That Hillsboro team was pretty good this year.

[Bison 4 Life]

Shaka is a pretty big get, correct?

6'3" and 215 before Kramer. He's going to be a monster!

Zabel is slated to be on Izzo's show at 10:15 so I imagine he is slow rolling his LOI.

[Professor Chaos]

Shaka is a pretty big get, correct?
Certainly one of the most sought after recruits on the list today. Held offers from all the Dakota schools, UNI, and Wyoming.

[HerdistheWord]

Any thoughts on Benson? That Hillsboro team was pretty good this year.

He was a man among boys in high school. He already looked the part physically of a college player IMO.

[Professor Chaos]

Zabel is in.

That might be the last of them.

I think the 4 guys left on the recruiting summary are PWOs so they might not be announced today:

Andre Carrier, 6-5, 190, WR/DB, Cavalier, ND
Bryce Friday, 6-4, 250, DL, Markesan, WI
Nathan Goldade, 5-11, 200, ATH, West Fargo (Sheyenne), ND
Jesse Hastings, 6-0, 220, FB, Mt. Vernon, SD

Of course there's always a chance for a surprise with the Moss and Anudike decommits freeing up a couple spots. Last year no one had any clue that Zeb Noland was signing until the tweet announcing it.

EDIT: Nevermind… Carrier just came in.

[Bison 4 Life]

Reloading is always fun.

[THEsocalledfan]

We beat any P5's this year? (Yes, I know we just lost one to P5.)

[Professor Chaos]

We beat any P5's this year? (Yes, I know we just lost one to P5.)
Seth Anderson had an offer from Kansas I believe.... that's the only one I can think of.

[El_Chapo]

He was a man among boys in high school. He already looked the part physically of a college player IMO.

Shaka is a BEAST, he is a freak with how muscular and fast he is. Jabril Cox like, but he spent the last part of season as a edge rusher, so maybe they put 20-30 more pounds on him.

[El_Chapo]

We beat any P5's this year? (Yes, I know we just lost one to P5.)

Zero (seth anderson had Kansas offer, but that was b4 Les Miles its not there anymore)
from a FBS offer standpoint, this isn't the best recruiting class.

Joe Stoefel had 3-4 MAC/ according to 24/7 sports he is NDSU #2 commit all time for their rankings after Luke Weerts
Cole W Air Force
Shaka Wyoming
Raja Army

[Bison 4 Life]

The FBS thirst blinds some people to the absolute studs that come to NDSU with NO FBS offers and somehow turn into the best players in the FCS.

So, who fuckin cares?

[mtoutfitter]

Zero (seth anderson had Kansas offer, but that was b4 Les Miles its not there anymore)
from a FBS offer standpoint, this isn't the best recruiting class.

Why don't you go measure your dick somewhere else? Sorry to all but I get so tired of listening to the constant comparisons to FBS!!!

[Professor Chaos]

Zero (seth anderson had Kansas offer, but that was b4 Les Miles its not there anymore)
from a FBS offer standpoint, this isn't the best recruiting class.

Joe Stoefel had 3-4 MAC/
Cole W Air Force
Shaka Wyoming
Raja Army
Seth Anderson was offered by Les Miles' O-line coach in January 2019: https://247sports.com/Article/2020-OL-Seth-Anderson-gets-first-four-offers-129059918/. Try again.

[Bison 4 Life]

Why don't you go measure your dick somewhere else? Sorry to all but I get so tired of listening to the constant comparisons to FBS!!!

What I don't get is he pretends NDSU is in Minnesota and Minnesota already HAS a FBS team so go chase them?

[El_Chapo]

wow, so salty .

this is recruiting, its judged by stars, which is influenced by fbs and bigger offers.

give it a rest "SQUAD" if you don't understand recruiting rankings, stars and how they are determined , keep moving along

[Professor Chaos]

wow, so salty .

this is recruiting, its judged by stars, which is influenced by fbs and bigger offers.

give it a rest "SQUAD" if you don't understand recruiting rankings, stars and how they are determined , keep moving along
I understand that recruiting rankings mean jack shit at this level and to judge a class at NDSU before at least their redshirt sophomore seasons is just plain dumb or an absolute dart throw. But you do you.

Btw of the 9 guys who were first team all-MVFC this year 3 of them had FBS offers.

[tolnabison]

wow, so salty .

this is recruiting, its judged by stars, which is influenced by fbs and bigger offers.

give it a rest "SQUAD" if you don't understand recruiting rankings, stars and how they are determined , keep moving along

Were you not just asking for NDSU to offer a D2 kid on a different thread? Now we don't have enough FBS offers. What gives?

[mtoutfitter]

wow, so salty .

this is recruiting, its judged by stars, which is influenced by fbs and bigger offers.

give it a rest "SQUAD" if you don't understand recruiting rankings, stars and how they are determined , keep moving along

Program is "Developmental" Which is something you and your brain didn't do.

[Mr Pep Band]

Recruiting is an Art, not a Science. If it were a science, we could reasonably predict which are the best players. But since there are near infinite variables in life, we can only guess how all of these players are going to pan out and perform.

[BadlandsBison]

Any thoughts on Benson? That Hillsboro team was pretty good this year.

Honestly he wasn't physically dominant like Grothman was but I don't know if that's a fair comparison. He plays aggressive, has good mentality for a LB. He looks kinda lean and wirey like a basketball player right now, just my observation.

[tjamz]

Why don't you go measure your dick somewhere else? Sorry to all but I get so tired of listening to the constant comparisons to FBS!!!He simply responded to a question. I'm all for giving lakes shit, but he answered a direct question and stayed on topic.

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[El_Chapo]

Were you not just asking for NDSU to offer a D2 kid on a different thread? Now we don't have enough FBS offers. What gives?

1) its 1 kid & he's not d2 talent, he has D1 Pwos.
2) these are facts.

We still should have 1-2 to work with on the 2nd signing day , plus our coaches are a little busy here last few weeks :)

[Bison 4 Life]

Lets get back to the recruits instead of the thirsty bitch shit talking them.

[RossUglem]

We've got a free Signing Day Central (https://247sports.com/college/north-dakota-state/Article/NDSU-Bison-Football-Signing-Day-Central-140734566/) that we hope you'll find useful.

[El_Chapo]

We've got a free Signing Day Central (https://247sports.com/college/north-dakota-state/Article/NDSU-Bison-Football-Signing-Day-Central-140734566/) that we hope you'll find useful.

Nice. is there a way to know exactly how many rides NDSU has left Ross?

[THEsocalledfan]

He simply responded to a question. I'm all for giving lakes shit, but he answered a direct question and stayed on topic.

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Yeah, it was a rude response, but I only asked P5 as I consider G5 no different than top tier FCS offers; we better be beating those schools so I don't really care about them.

To be clear, the rude response was the response to Lakes; not Lake's post.

[RossUglem]

Nice. is there a way to know exactly how many rides NDSU has left Ross?

It's fluid. With Anudike and Moss dropping out and Luke Dwyer leaving so early in the season there is certainly additional money. After getting Kobe, Braylon, DJ etc. in the last "late" recruiting phase we've been told that the staff wants to make sure there is money available for "second" signing day every year.

"too many good players left"

[ndsubison1]

I like the OL in this class.

[mtoutfitter]

Good point....I agree.

[KTF]

Is Nick Radunz projected to start next year?

[Professor Chaos]

Is Nick Radunz projected to start next year?
I doubt it... they return 4 of 5 starters on the O-line next year and I'd expect that Zach Kubas or Quinn Alo to be first in line to fill Zack Johnson's RG position.

[Tony Almeida]

I'll be honest on a fan board. Other than Tk Marshall and a couple lineman...I'm not impressed at all with this class so far. They seem to be getting smaller and lighter, and honestly, I don't like it.

[BisonNeil]

1) its 1 kid & he's not d2 talent, he has D1 Pwos.
2) these are facts.

We still should have 1-2 to work with on the 2nd signing day , plus our coaches are a little busy here last few weeks :)

Sounds like Joe Haeg, and one of his very few offers was a PWO at NDSU. And Shaetz was similar as I recall. I think they and many other gems have been phenomenal contributors over this run. Probably difficult for you to fully comprehend. Your obsession with getting guys with P5 offers is, well, never mind, no need to insult someone incapable of seeing the obvious. Carry on Lakes...

[BisonNeil]

I'll be honest on a fan board. Other than Tk Marshall and a couple lineman...I'm not impressed at all with this class so far. They seem to be getting smaller and lighter, and honestly, I don't like it.

Well, until this year when there was a team composed entirely of Klieman recruits I had the same feeling. The class that graduated last year was LARGELY composed of young men recruited by the previous coaching staff and saved by Klieman, but I don’t consider that his class.

The current team is composed of his recruits and I think they are pretty good. Until this year we really had no concrete idea how good Klieman and his staff were in recruiting, we only had a sprinkling of a concept. Quite frankly, your opinion of this class and mine doesn’t mean shit for about three years. So relax, nobody’s opinion of this class means shit.

[HerdBot]

I'll be honest on a fan board. Other than Tk Marshall and a couple lineman...I'm not impressed at all with this class so far. They seem to be getting smaller and lighter, and honestly, I don't like it.

We lack the next 6-4 or 6-5 Defensive end. Although Seth Anderson now says 6-5, which means he's probably 6-4 which is prototyical.

But outside of Zabel, Miller, and Anderson, it isn't loaded in size. Losing the 6-4 DE to K State makes it even less impressive.

[Professor Chaos]

I'll be honest on a fan board. Other than Tk Marshall and a couple lineman...I'm not impressed at all with this class so far. They seem to be getting smaller and lighter, and honestly, I don't like it.


We lack the next 6-4 or 6-5 Defensive end. Although Seth Anderson now says 6-5, which means he's probably 6-4 which is prototyical.

But outside of Zabel, Miller, and Anderson, it isn't loaded in size. Losing the 6-4 DE to K State makes it even less impressive.
If they were prototypical size they probably wouldn't be coming to NDSU. A lot of these DL, OL, TE, and LB commits are going to be expected to put on 30-60 lbs of good weight in order to become contributors. I don't think that's any different from past classes.

[BisonNeil]

But outside of Zabel, Miller, and Anderson, it isn't loaded in size. Losing the 6-4 DE to K State makes it even less impressive.

Give me a break. You reduce everyone else’s size but not the flipper! He is likely 6’3” and 200, also not your “prototypical size” for fucks sake.

[WeAreThePride]

So who’s the big get from this class?

[HerdistheWord]

I'll be honest on a fan board. Other than Tk Marshall and a couple lineman...I'm not impressed at all with this class so far. They seem to be getting smaller and lighter, and honestly, I don't like it.

I think Stoeffel and Shaka are pretty darn inpressive. I also wpuld not underestimate Benson. I’m not sure why the expectation is to recruit protptype size guys. We have basically never done that.

[HerdBot]

I think Stoeffel and Shaka are pretty darn inpressive. I also wpuld not underestimate Benson. I’m not sure why the expectation is to recruit protptype size guys. We have basically never done that.

In recent years we have but we develop skinny guys into Thor.

But you are correct we have a history of moving fast undersized safeties to linebackers or tall fast high school DEs into DTs

[OatmealWicket92]

So who’s the big get from this class?

I would say Stoeffel, TK Marshall, and personally I really like Raja Nelson. Signing day gets me excited for the future every year, what kid is gonna be the next freshman phenom? the next Joe Haeg? all those thoughts are fun to entertain.

[El_Chapo]

Coach Entz says NDSU only offers 50 or so kids.... other schools do 150-200 , we want a NDSU offer to mean something and profile the right kids

[Tony Almeida]

Well, until this year when there was a team composed entirely of Klieman recruits I had the same feeling. The class that graduated last year was LARGELY composed of young men recruited by the previous coaching staff and saved by Klieman, but I don’t consider that his class.

The current team is composed of his recruits and I think they are pretty good. Until this year we really had no concrete idea how good Klieman and his staff were in recruiting, we only had a sprinkling of a concept. Quite frankly, your opinion of this class and mine doesn’t mean shit for about three years. So relax, nobody’s opinion of this class means shit.Never said my opinion means shit...it's an opinion just as you stated. It's a fan board. I think some on here forget that sometimes. And in three years this may turn out to be the best class of all time, who knows, but I can make an obvious observation and tell you what I think...or can I?


We lack the next 6-4 or 6-5 Defensive end. Although Seth Anderson now says 6-5, which means he's probably 6-4 which is prototyical.

But outside of Zabel, Miller, and Anderson, it isn't loaded in size. Losing the 6-4 DE to K State makes it even less impressive.This class is smaller when you think of the high school/recruiting sizes...and yes losing Anudike made this class less appealing.


If they were prototypical size they probably wouldn't be coming to NDSU. A lot of these DL, OL, TE, and LB commits are going to be expected to put on 30-60 lbs of good weight in order to become contributors. I don't think that's any different from past classes.We've had prototypical sizes in the past and still do, they just come in a little lighter and then Kramer works his magic, but this class is coming in even lighter than that. And that is all I'm saying here. Nothing more. Again, take into account recruiting sizes vs actual size...I think there is a case to be made this class is a bit smaller than previous ones...in fact, the last 2 classes have been a bit smaller.

[Kujava23]

Coach Entz says NDSU only offers 50 or so kids.... other schools do 150-200 , we want a NDSU offer to mean something and profile the right kids

AMEN to that comment!! If someone flips late...have backup guys ready to go

[HerdBot]

So who’s the big get from this class?

Mason Miller will be stud after Kramer helps turn him into Thor. Zabel has the good frame. Shaka will be undersized but quick as a cat. Anderson will be a great DT or DE. After that it's the skilled guys, who I have a tougher time judging because they can be smaller and still be studs. I look to the O and D lines first

[RonMexico]

Never said my opinion means shit...it's an opinion just as you stated. It's a fan board. I think some on here forget that sometimes. And in three years this may turn out to be the best class of all time, who knows, but I can make an obvious observation and tell you what I think...or can I?



No. You can never say anything negative about the players, coaches or the program. If you do, according to some here, you aren't a real fan. It's all sunshine and roses in Bisonville.

[Kujava23]

#1 Great character guys---we recruit the "RIGHT" type of athletes

#2 TEAM GUYS---noone is more important than another guy

#3 DEVELOPMENT--we develop players all the time---it's very difficult to judge how much a recruit can improve; that's what makes "RANKINGS" in recruiting classes not important---

GO BISON

*** All players have potential----its about how much each guy wants to reach their potential

[Bison20]

AMEN to that comment!! If someone flips late...have backup guys ready to go

I’m sure they will find a couple more guys with those others leaving. Wasn’t Kobe, D.J. and Henderson all signed during the second signing last year?

[Tony Almeida]

Mason Miller will be stud after Kramer helps turn him into Thor. Zabel has the good frame. Shaka will be undersized but quick as a cat. Anderson will be a great DT or DE. After that it's the skilled guys, who I have a tougher time judging because they can be smaller and still be studs. I look to the O and D lines firstThose guys are going to be studs and the one skilled guy I'm most excited about is TK Marshall...just from his highlights, he's a beast with the ball. Kind of reminds me of Bruce Anderson.

[WeAreThePride]

Mason Miller will be stud after Kramer helps turn him into Thor. Zabel has the good frame. Shaka will be undersized but quick as a cat. Anderson will be a great DT or DE. After that it's the skilled guys, who I have a tougher time judging because they can be smaller and still be studs. I look to the O and D lines first

O Lines win championships.

This is the way.

[BFKasper14]

O Lines win championships.

This is the way.

This is the way.


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[WeAreThePride]

This is the way.


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I also like a good QB.

I have spoken.

[DM05]

I doubt it... they return 4 of 5 starters on the O-line next year and I'd expect that Zach Kubas or Quinn Alo to be first in line to fill Zack Johnson's RG position.

Or move Cordell Volson back inside. Sundell has been getting a lot of run this year; putting him at RT and moving Volson back to RG might get the five best on the field.

[mtoutfitter]

Or move Cordell Volson back inside. Sundell has been getting a lot of run this year; putting him at RT and moving Volson back to RG might get the five best on the field.

I'm betting you're gonna be right on that.

[BisonNeil]

Never said my opinion means shit...it's an opinion just as you stated. It's a fan board. I think some on here forget that sometimes. And in three years this may turn out to be the best class of all time, who knows, but I can make an obvious observation and tell you what I think...or can I?

This class is smaller when you think of the high school/recruiting sizes...and yes losing Anudike made this class less appealing.

We've had prototypical sizes in the past and still do, they just come in a little lighter and then Kramer works his magic, but this class is coming in even lighter than that. And that is all I'm saying here. Nothing more. Again, take into account recruiting sizes vs actual size...I think there is a case to be made this class is a bit smaller than previous ones...in fact, the last 2 classes have been a bit smaller.

So, rather than opinion why don’t you do analysis by position over the last five years to prove it is smaller and lighter. Data mean something, opinions, mine or yours, mean shit.

[Professor Chaos]

It's all sunshine and roses in Bisonville.
It is? I guess I must frequent the wrong parts of Bisonville then.


It is remarkable how evenly these two phrases are posted here:
1) Everyone is always negative here and criticizes everything... if you try to be positive you're labeled a sunshine pumper (or insert a more colorful phrase there).
2) Everyone always has to be positive here and can't criticize anything... if you do then you're labeled an idiot (or insert a more colorful phrase here).

For every time someone says something resembling #1 there will be someone else saying something resembling #2. It's an interesting case study in how we tune out those who agree with us and focus on those who don't.

[KNOW IT ALL]

No. You can never say anything negative about the players, coaches or the program. If you do, according to some here, you aren't a real fan. It's all sunshine and roses in Bisonville.

BINGO!!! However, let this team lose one of the next two games and than watch the faithful question every move. This is a very interesting time for any program going thru a recent coaching change, recruiting is one of the scariest area's for any team. This is the first year for Entz and his staff without a Klieman imprint of some kind. Bohl was fantastic, Kleiman proved to be as well and improved even more with time. Entz is in the drivers seat and every coach is ultimately judged on wins and loses, or at NDSU 'titles', so far he is 14-0 with 1-2 huge games ahead this season and a super talented team!!!!!

[1998braves64]

Any thoughts on Benson? That Hillsboro team was pretty good this year.

He has been a big part of the team last 3 years. They won state championship against LEM in Division A in 2017, lost to LEM by 2 points in 2018 and won Division AA this year handily. The closest they came to losing was to Devils Lake in OT. The field was soggy from all rain we got end of Sept and early Oct, and it was kind of a damp day too I think?? but not really sure what happened that day. So in 3 years HCV has lost one game by 2 points in the state championship in 2018.

Benson himself I think he'll need a year under Kramer to get some beef added to him to play LB in the MVFC but might see him for the 2-4 games that they can play in now without losing redshirt. He played RB and OLB in HS and all games I watched he was the best athlete on the field. Far as I know and see he's a good kid, take that with a grain of salt as I don't know him that well, but do see him around at other events around town with his mom and step dad helping out, and his dad showed up to most of his football games that I was at. Assuming he'll play basketball again this year. Last year he was the 6th man off the bench and can tell bball isn't his forte but he makes up for it with his athleticism. With Henningsgard, Benson, Reed all back this year on bball HCV will give teams a run for their money for the state championship. HCV just barely lost to Thompson, who won state pretty easily last year if my memory serves correct, in the regional championship.

[Tony Almeida]

So, rather than opinion why don’t you do analysis by position over the last five years to prove it is smaller and lighter. Data mean something, opinions, mine or yours, mean shit.Just open your eyes man! I'll give you a couple examples to get you started: Look at the the 2 LB's so far...both are at around a buck 180. That's not a little light to you?? When in the past they were usually at 200 or more. Also a lot of 6'2/3" DT's and ends lately with one at 5'11", how about a 6'1" OLineman? Or corners coming in at 5'10", A 6'1" QB, another 5'8" receiver....and this is just this class so far, not counting last year's below avg size.
Now what are their real measurements going to be when they get to school? Usually they drop by an inch or so and a few pounds.

These are just simple observations...if you have paid even a little attention in the past with recruits, you wouldn't need to research anything. My analysis was already done by doing just that.


It is? I guess I must frequent the wrong parts of Bisonville then.


It is remarkable how evenly these two phrases are posted here:
1) Everyone is always negative here and criticizes everything... if you try to be positive you're labeled a sunshine pumper (or insert a more colorful phrase there).
2) Everyone always has to be positive here and can't criticize anything... if you do then you're labeled an idiot (or insert a more colorful phrase here).

For every time someone says something resembling #1 there will be someone else saying something resembling #2. It's an interesting case study in how we tune out those who agree with us and focus on those who don't.The difference is the two types of people. There are the ones who can sit back and let people post without confrontation, or in rare cases, respond in an amicable way...and the other being snarky or condescending.

[VirginiaBison]

Well, until this year when there was a team composed entirely of Klieman recruits I had the same feeling. The class that graduated last year was LARGELY composed of young men recruited by the previous coaching staff and saved by Klieman, but I don’t consider that his class.

The current team is composed of his recruits and I think they are pretty good. Until this year we really had no concrete idea how good Klieman and his staff were in recruiting, we only had a sprinkling of a concept. Quite frankly, your opinion of this class and mine doesn’t mean shit for about three years. So relax, nobody’s opinion of this class means shit.

Wasn't Entz one of the recruiting coaches under Klieman? Who did Entz recruit under Klieman and are they still on the team or contributing the this year's football play?

[23Bison]

Luke Weertz was one for sure.

[Professor Chaos]

Another thing to keep in mind is that they signed 16 scholarship players today and they only have 14 seniors on the roster this year. They have a few extra schollies to play with that are freed up by Dwyer and Brock Robbins (maybe others that I'm forgetting) but I'm guessing they're looking at a handful more scholarship guys in the February signing period so a lot of these guys are probably on partials.

In case anyone is interested in the breakdown between the 16 scholarship guys and the 8 PWOs signed today scroll down to the bottom of this page: https://gobison.com/news/2019/12/18/bison-football-national-signing-day.aspx

[BisonNeil]

Just open your eyes man! I'll give you a couple examples to get you started: Look at the the 2 LB's so far...both are at around a buck 180. That's not a little light to you?? When in the past they were usually at 200 or more. Also a lot of 6'2/3" DT's and ends lately with one at 5'11", how about a 6'1" OLineman? Or corners coming in at 5'10", A 6'1" QB, another 5'8" receiver....and this is just this class so far, not counting last year's below avg size.
Now what are their real measurements going to be when they get to school? Usually they drop by an inch or so and a few pounds.

These are just simple observations...if you have paid even a little attention in the past with recruits, you wouldn't need to research anything. My analysis was already done by doing just that.

The difference is the two types of people. There are the ones who can sit back and let people post without confrontation, or in rare cases, respond in an amicable way...and the other being snarky or condescending.

Not interested in your cherry picking. Do an analysis over the years and prove your hypothesis. Treat each year as a replication. If you can’t prove it, your cherry picking opinion is not worth much.

[BisonNeil]

Wasn't Entz one of the recruiting coaches under Klieman? Who did Entz recruit under Klieman and are they still on the team or contributing the this year's football play?

Yes. But who is the lead guy? To me this team is totally Klieman’s, something he didn’t have the luxury of having. I think the only way to actually determine how good a recruiter a HC is to look at their classes over time. Bohl sucked at first given the teams of his first recruits sucked shit through a straw, but he figured it out, and ended up to be damn good. Obviously Klieman and his staff were very good. It’s too damn early to say that Entz’s recruits are too small, which implies not good simply because someone says they’re not impressed.

[imabison]

Not interested in your cherry picking. Do an analysis over the years and prove your hypothesis. Treat each year as a replication. If you can’t prove it, your cherry picking opinion is not worth much.

Sounds like someone is ready for a LILLE Jule Aften

[Rixen]

My early high grades for this class:
Tyson Gordon
Dominic Gonnella
Loshiaka Roques
Nolan Jacobs
Seth Anderson
Cole Wisniewski
Marques Sigle
Joe Deyak
Tyler Terhark

I think this class feels underwhelming to some because we don't have the signature P5 player or two. From watching all the HUDL films I still think we landed a lot of really solid to great players at nearly every position. The only position groups that I felt were missing an obvious stud were OL and TE and I don't plan on doubting the Bison on their ability to develop OL and TE.

[Bisman]

My early high grades for this class:
Tyson Gordon
Dominic Gonnella
Loshiaka Roques
Nolan Jacobs
Seth Anderson
Cole Wisniewski
Marques Sigle
Joe Deyak
Tyler Terhark

I think this class feels underwhelming to some because we don't have the signature P5 player or two. From watching all the HUDL films I still think we landed a lot of really solid to great players at nearly every position. The only position groups that I felt were missing an obvious stud were OL and TE and I don't plan on doubting the Bison on their ability to develop OL and TE.

No T.K. Marshall? TE Joe Stoffel is very highly rated.

[Tony Almeida]

My early high grades for this class:
Tyson Gordon
Dominic Gonnella
Loshiaka Roques
Nolan Jacobs
Seth Anderson
Cole Wisniewski
Marques Sigle
Joe Deyak
Tyler Terhark

I think this class feels underwhelming to some because we don't have the signature P5 player or two. From watching all the HUDL films I still think we landed a lot of really solid to great players at nearly every position. The only position groups that I felt were missing an obvious stud were OL and TE and I don't plan on doubting the Bison on their ability to develop OL and TE.I think Grey Zabel and Mason Miller are going to be solid at OL. And TE is a position I'm never worried about.


No T.K. Marshall? TE Joe Stoffel is very highly rated.You beat me to it.

[Rock]

Welcome to the Herd boys! Looking forward to seeing this class develop.


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[G_Funky]

My early high grades for this class:
Tyson Gordon
Dominic Gonnella
Loshiaka Roques
Nolan Jacobs
Seth Anderson
Cole Wisniewski
Marques Sigle
Joe Deyak
Tyler Terhark

I think this class feels underwhelming to some because we don't have the signature P5 player or two. From watching all the HUDL films I still think we landed a lot of really solid to great players at nearly every position. The only position groups that I felt were missing an obvious stud were OL and TE and I don't plan on doubting the Bison on their ability to develop OL and TE.

Stoffel has to be the "highest rated" players in this class, and he plays TE. Zabel will be a beast. And the Miller kid is gonna look like Zach Johnson after a couple years with Kramer.

[fmfantasy]

OK did some quick math on our 2019 class compared to 2015... this is probably a good class to use as was in the middle of the run so should be getting top recurits..

2015 class 28 players average 6-1.33 209 pounds 11 guys under 200 pounds ranging 170-275 3 guys under 6 foot ranging 5-10 to 6-5

2019 class 24 players average 6-1.5 210 pounds 12 guys under 200 pounds ranging 170-295 6 guys under 6 foot ranging 5-8 to 6-6

So we are getting more smaller guys but the averages are higher.. now kids are getting bigger all the time but to say we are getting obviously smaller shorter guys isn't true at all either..


Now how fast are these guys or quick or talented? I mean a guy like Jalen Bussey would skew an entire class average height down .33 of an inch alone compared to landing a 6 foot RB...but is he bad? what we have seen so far I say no... lol

[El_Chapo]

No T.K. Marshall? TE Joe Stoffel is very highly rated.

Stoffel is the #2 recruit in NDSU history according to 24 7

[fmfantasy]

Gophers 2019 for comparison

21 players average 6-1.85 226 pounds range 5-10 to 6-7 178-320...

the weight is skewed by 3 monsters... 300-305-320...

[Mr. Burgundy]

anyone that thinks our class is small? I literally laugh at. Just my opinion. That discredits our talent evaluators, and their ability/knowledge of what Kramer can and will do. I also don't care. If they think they can play, they can play.

The other reason I don't care, is that in certain cases, if a kid was 20lbs bigger or 2 inches taller, they probably would be in the Big Ten. This is my Ben Woodside/Joe Mays theory. Sometimes we benefit from a slight build. We are a development program. That is why some kids vanish for 2-3 years before we hear about them again. People that are concerned about a listed height and weight on a signing day make me laugh. If anything, our talent eval, development and strength training is "Elite."

[Rixen]

No T.K. Marshall? TE Joe Stoffel is very highly rated.

Stoffel and Marshall were graded well in my book but the ones listed above were higher for me. I am likely way off but just going with my eyes and gut. I essentially use a 4 tier grading scale. Depth, Starter, All Conference, Bison HoF. Four tiers is probably not fair to the recruits but I don't want to get too granular since I am doing this just for my own shits and giggles every year. That being said, I had Marshall and Stoffel graded as high end starters but not quite All Conference grades. All conference, just like the other grades I give, aren't necessarily literal. Carson Wentz is obviously a Bison HoF but I don't believe he was ever All Conference. Some players get injured or stuck behind absolute studs so I try to be cognizant of those variables.

My list above was all of my All Conference ranked players and giving those to Terhark and Deyak shocked me after I was complete. Not because of them being white and expecting "crafty, fundamentals, grinder, role player" but because I didn't hear any buzz during their verbals.

My amateur grades do point to the lack of an absolute shining star this year making some people feel like this is a lackluster class though. Gordon was the only one that was verging on a HoF grade for me. To be fair though, since 2014 I've only given out 5 HoF grades (Easton Stick, Trenton Mooney, Dillon Radunz, Lane Tucker, and Reed Ryan). Let's hope Tucker and Ryan can prove me right moving forward. Oh what could have been, Mooney. My sweet sweet pulling Guard prince.

[Rixen]

Stoffel has to be the "highest rated" players in this class, and he plays TE. Zabel will be a beast. And the Miller kid is gonna look like Zach Johnson after a couple years with Kramer.

Like I said, I have no doubt our OL and TE development will prove me wrong. Stoffel and Zabel I had graded as high end starters just missing the All Conference cut. Miller had almost no film to watch so that isn't a knock on him.

[BadlandsBison]

anyone that thinks our class is small? I literally laugh at. Just my opinion. That discredits our talent evaluators, and their ability/knowledge of what Kramer can and will do. I also don't care. If they think they can play, they can play.

The other reason I don't care, is that in certain cases, if a kid was 20lbs bigger or 2 inches taller, they probably would be in the Big Ten. This is my Ben Woodside/Joe Mays theory. Sometimes we benefit from a slight build. We are a development program. That is why some kids vanish for 2-3 years before we hear about them again. People that are concerned about a listed height and weight on a signing day make me laugh. If anything, our talent eval, development and strength training is "Elite."

Plus there is a laundry list of schools that accomplish less with "bigger" kids. NDSU gets and develops great FOOTBALL players

[El_Chapo]

and to back up Burgandy.
I've seen Shaka Roques 2 weekends in a row (at wayzata title game) and his official here at the dome

dude is listed at 6 3 215. but hes about 3% body fat and is all muscle. he'll be 6 4 245 by fall camp next year

[heffray]

and to back up Burgandy.
I've seen Shaka Roques 2 weekends in a row (at wayzata title game) and his official here at the dome

dude is listed at 6 3 215. but hes about 3% body fat and is all muscle. he'll be 6 4 245 by fall camp next year

Lol he’ll grow an inch?

[El_Chapo]

Lol he’ll grow an inch?

that's what his coach and entz said today in presser that he ain't done growing

[GreenfieldBison]

OK did some quick math on our 2019 class compared to 2015... this is probably a good class to use as was in the middle of the run so should be getting top recurits..

2015 class 28 players average 6-1.33 209 pounds 11 guys under 200 pounds ranging 170-275 3 guys under 6 foot ranging 5-10 to 6-5

2019 class 24 players average 6-1.5 210 pounds 12 guys under 200 pounds ranging 170-295 6 guys under 6 foot ranging 5-8 to 6-6

So we are getting more smaller guys but the averages are higher.. now kids are getting bigger all the time but to say we are getting obviously smaller shorter guys isn't true at all either..


Now how fast are these guys or quick or talented? I mean a guy like Jalen Bussey would skew an entire class average height down .33 of an inch alone compared to landing a 6 foot RB...but is he bad? what we have seen so far I say no... lol

Just be cautious with any combustibles in the vicinity of Bussey unless he is pointed at the oppo end zone.

Sorry, legal made me post that.