The Cutting Edge - Who Would You Pick?

[VirginiaBison]

The Cutting Edge (https://www.bisonillustrated.com/podcast-the-great-debate/?fbclid=IwAR1JdMiobbA88Wn7C12DBvmLqKUN2P9cUI7XRn5K NnRwI1EgaBKCi0mi8CY) Audio - Who Would You Pick?

Embrace debate! Senior columnist Josh Swanson and editor Nolan Schmidt asked and you delivered. Who would you want under center in crunch time? Carson Wentz, Brock Jensen or Easton Stick?

SITUATION: Championship game, Down by 4 points, with the ball on the home 20, 4th Qtr, 1:45 left on the clock - who is your QB?

Depends on the QB, the O-line, the receivers and RB - supporting the QB and who the opponent is. Not enough info to make a pick.

[PS: Audio is a fun trip down memory lane.... good listening!!]

[Herd]

Brock Jensen, just saying. Can’t go wrong with any of them, but 16 set his jaw on last minute drives.

[bisonaudit]

How this is even a question?

It’s Wentz. Everyday and twice on Sundays.

[Greta Van Herd]

This must be the unofficial mid-trough point of another long off-season.

[IzzyFlexion]

I'm going with a write in candidate......I'll take Walker.

[Herd]

How this is even a question?

It’s Wentz. Everyday and twice on Sundays.

After Eastern Washington, Brock’s will to win was off the charts. He had a scowl, he couldn’t be denied. He was going to stomp on your throat, and dance in your end zone. This category is his, hands down. K State, Georgia Southern, end of discussion.

[56BISON73]

Brock,,,,,,

[KSBisonFan]

I thought I'd be in the minority but I'm going with Brock. Dude just refused to lose. Easton is 2nd.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Previous posters are high as a kite or just plain retarded

2014 National Championship Game. Wentz WAS down by 4 with 1:35 to play in the ACTUAL not hypothetical championship game and lead the Bison down the field and ran in the go ahead TD himself.

End this stupid fucking thread. Not worth the debate.

[2011BisonAlumni]

After Eastern Washington, Brock’s will to win was off the charts. He had a scowl, he couldn’t be denied. He was going to stomp on your throat, and dance in your end zone. This category is his, hands down. K State, Georgia Southern, end of discussion.


Except for the fact that Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked in the hypothetical question.....so it is Wentz

[Rock]

Senior years

With 1:45 left on own 20 I like Wentz.

If it was 0:18 left Walker

If it was 8:13 Brock

If it was Easton we’d be up by 4, but woulda been nice to see them play at top 30.


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[Greta Van Herd]

Except for the fact that Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked in the hypothetical question.....so it is Wentz

It is rather comical isn’t it? God, I love the off-season. :)

[56BISON73]

Previous posters are high as a kite or just plain retarded

2014 National Championship Game. Wentz WAS down by 4 with 1:35 to play in the ACTUAL not hypothetical championship game and lead the Bison down the field and ran in the go ahead TD himself.

End this stupid fucking thread. Not worth the debate.

The DRIVE against Kansas State with him taking it in. Considered the Greatest drive in NDSU history. Or him against GSU sprinting the field with turf toe and the flu and out running everyone.

Brock

[56BISON73]

Except for the fact that Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked in the hypothetical question.....so it is Wentz

If not for Urzendowski doing a circus catch on an under thrown ball we wouldnt have been on the 20. Just saying

[Greta Van Herd]

If not for Urzendowski doing a circus catch on an under thrown ball we wouldnt have been on the 20. Just saying

No doubt.

But here’s the hypothetical: championship game, down by 4, gotta go 80 yards in less than 2 minutes and you need a receiver to make a big play on an imperfect ball.

Do you take RJ, Ryan Smith, or Shep? :) :)

[WeAreThePride]

No doubt.

But here’s the hypothetical: championship game, down by 4, gotta go 80 yards in less than 2 minutes and you need a receiver to make a big play on an imperfect ball.

Do you take RJ, Ryan Smith, or Shep? :) :)

Vraa. 10 char

[Vet70]

Previous posters are high as a kite or just plain retarded

2014 National Championship Game. Wentz WAS down by 4 with 1:35 to play in the ACTUAL not hypothetical championship game and lead the Bison down the field and ran in the go ahead TD himself.

End this stupid fucking thread. Not worth the debate.


Except for the fact that Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked in the hypothetical question.....so it is Wentz

This is confusing. I thought in the first post you used flowery language in declaring the debate over.

[56BISON73]

No doubt.

But here’s the hypothetical: championship game, down by 4, gotta go 80 yards in less than 2 minutes and you need a receiver to make a big play on an imperfect ball.

Do you take RJ, Ryan Smith, or Shep? :) :)

RJ for his hands. Vraa would be a go choice also.

[Herd]

RJ for his hands. Vraa would be a go choice also.

Heckendorf if only 25 seconds left.

[Greta Van Herd]

RJ for his hands. Vraa would be a go choice also.

They’re all good choices, great choices in fact, but there’s only one that has actually done it within the hypothetical parameters given, which makes the question end up being so comical. :)

[56BISON73]

Heckendorf if only 25 seconds left.

Loved that catch.

[NDSU1980]

Loved that catch.

Loved Scottie Miller doing the announcing even better on that play. No call will ever be better.

[Vet70]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3XO4QBO4iY

[2011BisonAlumni]

The DRIVE against Kansas State with him taking it in. Considered the Greatest drive in NDSU history. Or him against GSU sprinting the field with turf toe and the flu and out running everyone.

Brock

Irrelevant

Again, Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked to be debated here ....so.....

It’s like asking if you were down by 1 in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals and needed one player in NBA history to take the game winning shot, who would it be and you tried saying Lebron James

[ndsubison1]

Pretty crazy. Theyve all had their moments. But Ill go with Wentz.

[56BISON73]

Irrelevant

Again, Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked to be debated here ....so.....

It’s like asking if you were down by 1 in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals and needed one player in NBA history to take the game winning shot, who would it be and you tried saying Lebron James

I pick Brock. Why--because I put it in to context of how they go to the 20 and the endzone. Body of work who consistently was clutch. I pick Brock

[bisonaudit]

I’m not sure why there’s so much emphasis on what they did in small sample in a very narrow set of circumstances and so little on actual skill.

[Christopher Moen]

Just glad to see all three (four if we include, and should, Walker) actually accomplish something similar during their respective careers.

Walker against SHSU, Cal Poly and Cal Davis (?).
Jensen against GSU (second SF game) and 2013 UNI game. KSU is also important.
Wentz against SDSU in 2014 Playoffs and Illinois State in the Championship Game three games later.
Stick against YSU in 2015, EWU and Iowa in 2016. I don't think Easton recovered physically from that Iowa game 100% until the next season.

[BisonAccountant44]

Grab your pitchforks because here comes an unpopular opinion.

Brock is/was a classic case of the QB getting too much credit for the teams success. He peaked somewhere in his Sophomore year and made me nervous everytime he dropped back to pass after that. He was a good game manager and decent QB, but not great. 2012 Indiana St 2 pick 6's we lose 14-17. Mo State 3 picks and at halftime every single person on this board was calling for him to get benched and replaced with Carson. Going into '13 there wasn't a single person anywhere that believed he was the most talented QB on the team, and the percentage of people here who wanted him to be the starter at K-State was far less than 100.

He was involved in a lot of late game heroics, and again he was a good QB and game manager, but had he been a truly great QB some of the heroics likely wouldn't have been needed.

Carson was/is easily twice the QB Brock was, and Easton is somewhere in the middle.

The answer to this hypothetical is simple once you know what you really want. If you want the most talented all around QB who gives you the best chance to win Carson is the only option. If you want the nestolgic game manager who was involved with a lot of end game dramatics you take Brock, and if you want one in the middle who's got recency bias on his side take Easton.



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[El_Chapo]

Nick Mertens

[EC8CH]

Not really a question of who, but how

Wanna win a comeback with a big QB run, pick Stick.
Wanna win a comeback with a QB dropping NFL level dimes, pick Wentz.
Wanna win a comeback with a soul grinding drive, pick Jensen.

In this specific example with 1:45 left on our own 20, I'm probably going with Wentz. This situation calls for the NFL arm.

[scottietohottie]

The choices seem so old. I'd give Trey Lance a shot at it.

[Vet70]

Irrelevant

Again, Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked to be debated here ....so.....

It’s like asking if you were down by 1 in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals and needed one player in NBA history to take the game winning shot, who would it be and you tried saying Lebron James

You keep posting this like it is some sort of trump card (no politics intended). The drive could have very well ended differently if RJ had not bailed him out on an underthrown pass. More importantly, Wentz was the only one of the 3 to have the opportunity to replicate the scenario. It is not like the other two had the same circumstances and failed.

[TransAmBison]

I have to say...senior Easton Stick makes it real tough. Man...I just don't know. I guess I'm throwing out that scenario because Brock wouldn't have been in it. They would have taken care of business earlier and iced the game. They would have gotten the first downs to finish it off. Carson's team couldn't get those last 1st downs and gave other teams another opportunity. Brock would have won that season opener vs Montana. My top is Brock, then Easton, and then Carson. Brock was the best leader...got the absolute most out of his team as a whole. Carson's team leaned on him...not sure if that is his fault or the coaches.

[IzzyFlexion]

Putting this here for entertainment purposes......and not argument.

Chicago Tribune HS Football Player of the Year, Steve Walker (Lockport, IL) leads his team 96 yards in 1 minute and 40 seconds to win and advance to the state title game in 2002.

He was magical all season and went on to become one of the all-time greats at NDSU.

The drive starts at 4:09 left in this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTf3c3tDPJg

[89MTBISON]

Unfortunately for Carson in this scenario, he's on the sideline with his arm in a sling, his knee in a brace and his thumb in a cast. Being able to stay healthy is a big part of being successful in sports. All things considered I'm taking the guy with three championship rings as starter.

[totoinfl]

Except for the fact that Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked in the hypothetical question.....so it is Wentz

I go with Wentz, Jensen close second...the will to win in the KState game, taking the air out of the ball over 8 minutes in front of hostile crowd...hard to pick between the two...Wentz just because it was Natty. The JMU natty game puts Stick in the conversation...just not in the top 2.

Of course I am old...so i could also go with Bentrim and Bison version of the Big Stick.

[tony]

Putting this here for entertainment purposes......and not argument.

Chicago Tribune HS Football Player of the Year, Steve Walker (Lockport, IL) leads his team 96 yards in 1 minute and 40 seconds to win and advance to the state title game in 2002.

He was magical all season and went on to become one of the all-time greats at NDSU.

The drive starts at 4:09 left in this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTf3c3tDPJg

Around the 1:40 mark... holy cow, they talk about Wentz being a gunslinger in Philadelphia, but, really, he's not... he's more methodical. Walker is the definition of gunslinger.

[Vet70]

Unfortunately for Carson in this scenario, he's on the sideline with his arm in a sling, his knee in a brace and his thumb in a cast. Being able to stay healthy is a big part of being successful in sports. All things considered I'm taking the guy with three championship rings as starter.

So you are taking the Kobayashi Maru solution to the dilemma? :D

[EC8CH]

You keep posting this like it is some sort of trump card (no politics intended). The drive could have very well ended differently if RJ had not bailed him out on an underthrown pass. More importantly, Wentz was the only one of the 3 to have the opportunity to replicate the scenario. It is not like the other two had the same circumstances and failed.

UNI comeback drive in the dome. That comeback drive was all Wentz. Deep out laser to Vraa on 4th Down. RJ in the turkey hole for a big chunk. Broken up pass across the middle to fullback Thor that was a dime. Perfect read and touch pass to the corner of the endzone to Shep. Think there was another pass to Vraa across the middle that I missed, but by now you get the picture.

That drive is the trump card. That's the drive that got Wentz picked #2 overall.

You could also argue that Stick failed to pull off a comeback drive against JMU in the semifinal.

Down 4 on their own 20, with 1:45 remaining. Watch Wentz go to work:


http://youtu.be/zUw2MYK31H8?t=8918

[tony]

Unfortunately for Carson in this scenario, he's on the sideline with his arm in a sling, his knee in a brace and his thumb in a cast. Being able to stay healthy is a big part of being successful in sports. All things considered I'm taking the guy with three championship rings as starter.

Well, Carson has 3 championship rings... it's just that one is a Super Bowl ring.

[MankatoBison]

First of all, we win the game in every single scenario.

1. Jensen
2. Walker
3. Wentz
4. Stick

Stick is only 4th because he had the fewest chances to demonstrate the come from behind mentality. Normally, he scrapped and scraped his ass off during the first 3 qtrs so we basically NEVER had to have a last minute drive. He showed it at IOWA in a BIG TIME game. so all indications show that he is completely effective in this, but I have to go with the other 3 simply on the premise that they HAD to do this multiple times and all three were MAGIC in those situations

[Bisonator98]

This is a non debate. WTF even discuss it? Oh well....

The correct answer is Carson Wentz. Guy can beat you with his legs and his arm. Go back and rewatch the last 2 minutes of the 2015 UNI game and tell me Brock or Easton could have made some of those out throws to RJ or Vraa. Not happening, I'm sorry but those guys do not have the same arm talent, it's a fact.

[EC8CH]

This is a non debate. WTF even discuss it? Oh well....

The correct answer is Carson Wentz. Guy can beat you with his legs and his arm. Go back and rewatch the last 2 minutes of the 2015 UNI game and tell me Brock or Easton could have made some of those out throws to RJ or Vraa. Not happening, I'm sorry but those guys do not have the same arm talent, it's a fact.

That's why I just posted that comeback drive. 1:45 left, no timeouts, down 4 on their own 20 something, 4th and 7. Wentz drove down the field passing the entire way and left 35 seconds on the clock. Stick or Jensen could not do that. Period, end of discussion. Maybe they pull off a win a different way, but I doubt it. I'm a firm believe that without Wentz as QB for that drive, there is no way the Bison win that game. He was cutting up the UNI secondary like a thanksgiving day turkey.

[Bison 4 Life]

Except for the fact that Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked in the hypothetical question.....so it is Wentz

I'm surprised that no one seemed to mention this before now. That's exactly what I thought myself.

[Bisonator98]

That's why I just posted that comeback drive. 1:45 left, no timeouts, down 4 on their own 20 something, 4th and 7. Wentz drove down the field passing the entire way and left 35 seconds on the clock. Stick or Jensen could not do that. Period, end of discussion. Maybe they pull off a win a different way, but I doubt it. I'm a firm believe that without Wentz as QB for that drive, there is no way the Bison win that game. He was cutting up the UNI secondary like a thanksgiving day turkey.

Yeah I posted before finishing the thread. Exactly right!

[MankatoBison]

First of all, we win the game in every single scenario.

1. Jensen
2. Walker
3. Wentz
4. Stick

Stick is only 4th because he had the fewest chances to demonstrate the come from behind mentality. Normally, he scrapped and scraped his ass off during the first 3 qtrs so we basically NEVER had to have a last minute drive. He showed it at IOWA in a BIG TIME game. so all indications show that he is completely effective in this, but I have to go with the other 3 simply on the premise that they HAD to do this multiple times and all three were MAGIC in those situations

I watched the UNI ending again... and I have to eat crow. Strike my previous list from the record entirely.

1. Wentz - in 1:45 you have to have the biggest, most accurate arm. Wentz is that guy
2. WALKER - Gunslinger- nuff said. Ice in his veins
3. Jensen - If we start the 4th quarter down- I take Jensen over all the others honestly. Even though walker has an exemplary 4th qtr comeback resume. Lets face it, they all have virtually perfect 4th quarter resumes.
4. Stick - same reason I stated abo

[WeAreThePride]

Well, Carson has 3 championship rings... it's just that one is a Super Bowl ring.

For which he was injured...

[EC8CH]

I watched the UNI ending again... and I have to eat crow. Strike my previous list from the record entirely.

1. Wentz - in 1:45 you have to have the biggest, most accurate arm. Wentz is that guy
2. WALKER - Gunslinger- nuff said. Ice in his veins
3. Jensen - If we start the 4th quarter down- I take Jensen over all the others honestly. Even though walker has an exemplary 4th qtr comeback resume. Lets face it, they all have virtually perfect 4th quarter resumes.
4. Stick - same reason I stated abo

This is a solid ranking with excellent reasoning. Under different scenarios I could see a different ranking, but with 1:45 left down 4 on your own 20... these are the traits you're looking for in a QB to lead the required comeback.

[bri-dog]

I don't like to live in the past. So I'm going with Trey Lance and Christian Watson. :)

[89MTBISON]

So you are taking the Kobayashi Maru solution to the dilemma? :D

Nah, Brock is the ultimate Bison underdog(oxymoron?). I really don't get all the hate on the, now, second winningest QB in FCS history. Carson threw a bunch of INTs, fumbled the ball, lost games, missed open receivers, etc. Just like Brock and Easton did. Yet for some on here Carson is a god of football. A TEAM led by Brock would beat the same TEAM led by Carson....in my opinion.

[heffray]

Trey Lance.

The guy would house it from the 50 yard-line even with a botched snap.

[TransAmBison]

Trey Lance.

The guy would house it from the 50 yard-line even with a botched snap.:rofl: :rofl:

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

For which he was injured...

For which they never would've been in the position they were in (home-field advantage) if it weren't for him.

[Bisonator98]

Nah, Brock is the ultimate Bison underdog(oxymoron?). I really don't get all the hate on the, now, second winningest QB in FCS history. Carson threw a bunch of INTs, fumbled the ball, lost games, missed open receivers, etc. Just like Brock and Easton did. Yet for some on here Carson is a god of football. A TEAM led by Brock would beat the same TEAM led by Carson....in my opinion.

Where is the "hate"? I think you are over zealous for your love of Brock. We all love all these players. They all were tremendous players and more importantly people. It's a stupid debate because they all are winners and they all did it their way. IMO Brock had the better TEAMS but I don't think he was a better QB or athlete than Carson or Easton.

[56BISON73]

UNI comeback drive in the dome. That comeback drive was all Wentz. Deep out laser to Vraa on 4th Down. RJ in the turkey hole for a big chunk. Broken up pass across the middle to fullback Thor that was a dime. Perfect read and touch pass to the corner of the endzone to Shep. Think there was another pass to Vraa across the middle that I missed, but by now you get the picture.

That drive is the trump card. That's the drive that got Wentz picked #2 overall.

You could also argue that Stick failed to pull off a comeback drive against JMU in the semifinal.

Down 4 on their own 20, with 1:45 remaining. Watch Wentz go to work:


http://youtu.be/zUw2MYK31H8?t=8918

With Polacek calling plays to run up the middle ? You cant fault Stick. We were out coached tht game. Stick couldnt over come that.

[EC8CH]

With Polacek calling plays to run up the middle ? You cant fault Stick. We were out coached tht game. Stick couldnt over come that.

I did anticipate the play calling point would be brought up. I personally don't lay the blame for that loss at Easton's feet. Just pointing out it is one of the few examples where an NDSU team did fail to mount a 4th quarter comeback and Easton happened to be QB at the time.

[NDSUSR]

The obvious answer: We are spoiled beyond belief.

[EC8CH]

The obvious answer: We are spoiled beyond belief.

We are the the most spoiled fanbase in all of sports. We get to watch a team dominate their division AND dominate the division above when they get to play the role of "underdogs". Seriously, what fanbase in the history of sports has enjoyed anything similar on the scale we have been afforded over the past decade? It's crazy.

[TransAmBison]

The obvious answer: We are spoiled beyond belief.This sums it up.

[wagsabison]

Senior years

With 1:45 left on own 20 I like Wentz.

If it was 0:18 left Walker

If it was 8:13 Brock

If it was Easton we’d be up by 4, but woulda been nice to see them play at top 30.


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Easton did it in Iowa.

They all had their opportunities. Brock seemed like he did it more often so he’s the one that stands out for me.


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[IzzyFlexion]

UNI comeback drive in the dome. That comeback drive was all Wentz. Deep out laser to Vraa on 4th Down. RJ in the turkey hole for a big chunk. Broken up pass across the middle to fullback Thor that was a dime. Perfect read and touch pass to the corner of the endzone to Shep. Think there was another pass to Vraa across the middle that I missed, but by now you get the picture.

That drive is the trump card. That's the drive that got Wentz picked #2 overall.

You could also argue that Stick failed to pull off a comeback drive against JMU in the semifinal.

Down 4 on their own 20, with 1:45 remaining. Watch Wentz go to work:


http://youtu.be/zUw2MYK31H8?t=8918

Holy smokes......Bailey's hail mary at the end of that game traveled about 67 yards through the air.

[Bisonator98]

Easton did it in Iowa.

They all had their opportunities. Brock seemed like he did it more often so he’s the one that stands out for me.


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Outside of the second semi-final against Georgia Southern and the Kansas State drive what other come from behind late game wins did Brock have? Seriously I don't remember that many.

Wentz had the 2014 SDSU and ISUr games and the 2015 UNI game.

Easton had the Iowa game.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Grab your pitchforks because here comes an unpopular opinion.

Brock is/was a classic case of the QB getting too much credit for the teams success. He peaked somewhere in his Sophomore year and made me nervous everytime he dropped back to pass after that. He was a good game manager and decent QB, but not great. 2012 Indiana St 2 pick 6's we lose 14-17. Mo State 3 picks and at halftime every single person on this board was calling for him to get benched and replaced with Carson. Going into '13 there wasn't a single person anywhere that believed he was the most talented QB on the team, and the percentage of people here who wanted him to be the starter at K-State was far less than 100.

He was involved in a lot of late game heroics, and again he was a good QB and game manager, but had he been a truly great QB some of the heroics likely wouldn't have been needed.

Carson was/is easily twice the QB Brock was, and Easton is somewhere in the middle.

The answer to this hypothetical is simple once you know what you really want. If you want the most talented all around QB who gives you the best chance to win Carson is the only option. If you want the nestolgic game manager who was involved with a lot of end game dramatics you take Brock, and if you want one in the middle who's got recency bias on his side take Easton.



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If Carson is starting at QB in 2013 and was surrounded by that team, NDSU beats K State by 2 TD’s and there is no need for an 8 minute drive at the end.

[2011BisonAlumni]

I have to say...senior Easton Stick makes it real tough. Man...I just don't know. I guess I'm throwing out that scenario because Brock wouldn't have been in it. They would have taken care of business earlier and iced the game. They would have gotten the first downs to finish it off. Carson's team couldn't get those last 1st downs and gave other teams another opportunity. Brock would have won that season opener vs Montana. My top is Brock, then Easton, and then Carson. Brock was the best leader...got the absolute most out of his team as a whole. Carson's team leaned on him...not sure if that is his fault or the coaches.

Doubt it....unless Brock was able to play secondary in that game.

[runtheoption]

Seriously, what fanbase in the history of sports has enjoyed anything similar on the scale we have been afforded over the past decade? It's crazy.
Celtics fans from 1957-1969
Yankees fans from the late 20's to the early 60's
UCLA basketball fans from 1964-1975
Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Rocky Marciano fans
Tiger Woods fans from 1997-2008
Arguably Patriot fans since 2002
Montreal Canadians fans from 1951-1960
Cal rugby since 1980
New Zealand All Blacks fans since 1905

[EC8CH]

Celtics fans from 1957-1969
Yankees fans from the late 20's to the early 60's
UCLA basketball fans from 1964-1975
Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Rocky Marciano fans
Tiger Woods fans from 1997-2008
Arguably Patriot fans since 2002
Montreal Canadians fans from 1951-1960
Cal rugby since 1980
New Zealand All Blacks fans since 1905

Did any of those fanbases get to pretend to be the underdogs while repeatedly beating higher division teams?

[runtheoption]

Did any of those fanbases get to pretend to be the underdogs while repeatedly beating higher division teams?

No​...............

[bri-dog]

Celtics fans from 1957-1969
Yankees fans from the late 20's to the early 60's
UCLA basketball fans from 1964-1975
Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Rocky Marciano fans
Tiger Woods fans from 1997-2008
Arguably Patriot fans since 2002
Montreal Canadians fans from 1951-1960
Cal rugby since 1980
New Zealand All Blacks fans since 1905

You forgot The Harlem Globetrotters. For like, forever. :nod:

[ndsubison1]

Didnt Wentz do it against Coastal Carolina as well?

[Vet70]

Didnt Wentz do it against Coastal Carolina as well?

All of the scorings was over with 9 plus minutes left, 39-32.

[Vet70]

That's why I just posted that comeback drive. 1:45 left, no timeouts, down 4 on their own 20 something, 4th and 7. Wentz drove down the field passing the entire way and left 35 seconds on the clock. Stick or Jensen could not do that. Period, end of discussion. Maybe they pull off a win a different way, but I doubt it. I'm a firm believe that without Wentz as QB for that drive, there is no way the Bison win that game. He was cutting up the UNI secondary like a thanksgiving day turkey.

How was Wentz the year before against UNI? He owed us one.

[EC8CH]

No​...............

That is why we are a unique kind of spoiled.

[HerdBot]

If not for Urzendowski doing a circus catch on an under thrown ball we wouldnt have been on the 20. Just saying

That was an underthrown go route so by design and the corner ended up falling down, it looked like he was trying to fake an offense PI. But on the flip side the throw before that to Crockett grazed his finger tips. Game of inches literally

[HerdBot]

Senior years

With 1:45 left on own 20 I like Wentz.

If it was 0:18 left Walker

If it was 8:13 Brock

If it was Easton we’d be up by 4, but woulda been nice to see them play at top 30.


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Walkers last career throw was a pick vs SDSU on a game winning drive. But he had many great ones before that.

[56BISON73]

UNI comeback drive in the dome. That comeback drive was all Wentz. Deep out laser to Vraa on 4th Down. RJ in the turkey hole for a big chunk. Broken up pass across the middle to fullback Thor that was a dime. Perfect read and touch pass to the corner of the endzone to Shep. Think there was another pass to Vraa across the middle that I missed, but by now you get the picture.

That drive is the trump card. That's the drive that got Wentz picked #2 overall.

You could also argue that Stick failed to pull off a comeback drive against JMU in the semifinal.

Down 4 on their own 20, with 1:45 remaining. Watch Wentz go to work:


http://youtu.be/zUw2MYK31H8?t=8918

The senior bowl practices and the interviews is what nailed it and got him the #2.

[56BISON73]

That was an underthrown go route so by design and the corner ended up falling down, it looked like he was trying to fake an offense PI. But on the flip side the throw before that to Crockett grazed his finger tips. Game of inches literally

:rofl::rofl:

[EC8CH]

The senior bowl practices and the interviews is what nailed it and got him the #2.

You got me there. That drive is Wentz's most impressive college series though.

[ndsubison1]

They should do a debate of Unit by Unit. Which OL, RB core, DLine? Good offseason debate.

[Rock]

Walkers last career throw was a pick vs SDSU on a game winning drive. But he had many great ones before that.

What an embarrassment of riches. Not only the wins- but every QB in the recent stretch had some really fun and exciting comeback wins- brought a little different ability to the table. All that that win ability.

So good to be a Bison fan. Let’s argue hypotheticals over who would have won by more in this particular situation!

Give me Kevin Feeney and the ‘69 team around him and I’ll show you ‘85 Penn State with brown stomped through their white pants!


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[Herd]

Walker to Majic at UC Davis was an epic drive. One of the best non-playoff wins ever after being down big.

[scottietohottie]

Walker to Majic at UC Davis was an epic drive. One of the best non-playoff wins ever after being down big.

I saw it on the radio. Hard to believe every game is televised now. Pretty soon these bison QBs are just going to expect to get drafted.

[CaBisonFan]

Walker to Majic at UC Davis was an epic drive. One of the best non-playoff wins ever after being down big....and the win at Cal Poly was epic also.

[NDSU92]

...and the win at Cal Poly was epic also.

I always thought that right around halftime of the Montana game in ‘03 that some Bison fan cut a deal with God. Fate has been on our side almost non-stop ever since.

[CaBisonFan]

I always thought that right around halftime of the Montana game in ‘03 that some Bison fan cut a deal with God. Fate has been on our side almost non-stop ever since.
.....agreed.....

[wagsabison]

Outside of the second semi-final against Georgia Southern and the Kansas State drive what other come from behind late game wins did Brock have? Seriously I don't remember that many.

Wentz had the 2014 SDSU and ISUr games and the 2015 UNI game.

Easton had the Iowa game.

Good point. I don’t remember ha. For whatever reason in my mind it felt like he had more.


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[Vet70]

Outside of the second semi-final against Georgia Southern and the Kansas State drive what other come from behind late game wins did Brock have? Seriously I don't remember that many.

Wentz had the 2014 SDSU and ISUr games and the 2015 UNI game.

Easton had the Iowa game.


Good point. I don’t remember ha. For whatever reason in my mind it felt like he had more.


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I guess it depends on how you define "late game". In 2013 the Bison were losing to UNI going into the 4th 23-10. At 23-17 with 6:57 left a 74-yard winning drive with 2:46 left.

[Vet70]

Stick 4 yard run against YSU in 2015 to win it 27-24 with 35 seconds left.

[tjamz]

Late to chime in, but here's my thoughts:

1st there isn't really a bad choice.

Carson gets my nod IF we plan on going deep on the pass plays and/or if we need a QB who can make incredible reads at the LOS pre-snap and adjust his protections for what he wants to run.
Brock if we think we can run multiple out patterns to keep the clock stopped and then need a QB who can punch it in from 4 yards out.
Stick if we truly want the guy that can attack short/mid field, stay in the pocket knowing a hit is coming (and get back up after) and be a constant threat to house it on a run while also calling his protections and making pre-snap reads/adjustments.

[Twincitybizon]

Deep into the off-season, we have come.

[Bison"FANatic"]

I always thought that right around halftime of the Montana game in ‘03 that some Bison fan cut a deal with God. Fate has been on our side almost non-stop ever since.

Well I was saying my marriage vows right then
so ................
I guess I had to take one for the team, you guys are welcome.

[IzzyFlexion]

deep into the off-season, we have come.

iswydt...………….

[semobison]

Walker to Majic at UC Davis was an epic drive. One of the best non-playoff wins ever after being down big.

Walker had some big comebacks. Sam Houston in the dome, Poly and Davis, anyone remember the Ball State game? At the time Bison fans hadn't seen anything like it. Yep, he was a gunslinger! It's a damn shame he didn't get the opportunity to play in the post season.

[Facts]

I always thought that right around halftime of the Montana game in ‘03 that some Bison fan cut a deal with God. Fate has been on our side almost non-stop ever since.

QB of that game was Tony Stauss. He went 22-31 for 165. Steffes ran for 103.

[CalBison97]

Walker to Majic at UC Davis was an epic drive. One of the best non-playoff wins ever after being down big.


...and the win at Cal Poly was epic also.

I was at both epic games. Feelings of dejection quickly evolved to elation! It was my native Californian wife’s introduction to Bison nation...she understood from then on my obsession.

[SlickVic]

Wentz

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UIiwWcC2kGg

[AKBison]

Senior years

With 1:45 left on own 20 I like Wentz.

If it was 0:18 left Walker

If it was 8:13 Brock

If it was Easton we’d be up by 4, but woulda been nice to see them play at top 30.


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Great post and my sentiments exactly!

[56BISON73]

Walker had some big comebacks. Sam Houston in the dome, Poly and Davis, anyone remember the Ball State game? At the time Bison fans hadn't seen anything like it. Yep, he was a gunslinger! It's a damn shame he didn't get the opportunity to play in the post season.

Gotta give all those guys huge reps knowing that they couldnt play in the playoffs.

[Bison 4 Life]

App State's run might not have happened.

[Buffalo.Rider]

Paul Hatchett should be in this discussion of the great NDSU quarterbacks. Oop, went back and checked. He was a running back, not a QB. Me bad.

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[southcliffbison]

Paul Hatchett should be in this discussion of the great NDSU quarterbacks. Oop, went back and checked. He was a running back, not a QB. Me bad.

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Thread drift, sorry. Paul Hatchett...… what a great Bison footballer; however, had he been playing in the past 10 to 15 years, his career at NDSU would have been short, very short. Back in the mid to late 60's , the media didn't take such an active interest in the off the field conduct of players. Or, they were asked not to.

[Buffalo.Rider]

Thread drift, sorry. Paul Hatchett...… what a great Bison footballer; however, had he been playing in the past 10 to 15 years, his career at NDSU would have been short, very short. Back in the mid to late 60's , the media didn't take such an active interest in the off the field conduct of players. Or, they were asked not to.

It may have been. He was a suspect in a couple things, from what I understand, but he was not arrested.
Sad story on how he 'disappeared' after his time at NDSU. He is probably the most high profile former Bison to fall so far.

[Vet70]

It may have been. He was a suspect in a couple things, from what I understand, but he was not arrested.
Sad story on how he 'disappeared' after his time at NDSU. He is probably the most high profile former Bison to fall so far.

There is no doubt that he is the best Bison football player not to be in the Hall of Fame. His off-field difficulties cost him.

[KC Bison]

Enjoying the popcorn.

[VirginiaBison]

Enjoying the popcorn.

Yep - great trip down memory lane with all the comments!

[heffray]

A friend of mine just texted me and told me that he is interviewing an NDSU grad for a position and asked me if there is anything he should ask him. I told him to ask the cutting edge question in this thread. I also told him that if he doesn't know who Brock or Easton are not to hire him, also that if he answers with Steve Walker to hire him on the spot.

I'll keep you all posted with the results...

[56BISON73]

Thread drift, sorry. Paul Hatchett...… what a great Bison footballer; however, had he been playing in the past 10 to 15 years, his career at NDSU would have been short, very short. Back in the mid to late 60's , the media didn't take such an active interest in the off the field conduct of players. Or, they were asked not to.

Plus you have to go to class and make notable progress towards a degree.

[heffray]

A friend of mine just texted me and told me that he is interviewing an NDSU grad for a position and asked me if there is anything he should ask him. I told him to ask the cutting edge question in this thread. I also told him that if he doesn't know who Brock or Easton are not to hire him, also that if he answers with Steve Walker to hire him on the spot.

I'll keep you all posted with the results...

He chose Wentz. Vanilla pick. Maybe the right pick.

Anyway, carry on...

[BisonAccountant44]

He chose Wentz,. Vanilla pick. Maybe the only pick.

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Fixed it for you

[td577]

I thought Doug Dorsey was a bold pick, but not the right one. There had to be some other choice than to go to the hockey world for a partner.

[bisoneer]

Deep into the off-season, we have come.

I would vote for any of the 3 but the most memorable one for me was #16 vs Georgia So. and vs. K State. Who had the 2003 pass to the TE vs the Grizz? That was fantastic too! Was it our running back?

[Vet70]

I would vote for any of the 3 but the most memorable one for me was #16 vs Georgia So. and vs. K State. Who had the 2003 pass to the TE vs the Grizz? That was fantastic too! Was it our running back?

Rod Malone to Mike Wieser.

[bisoneer]

Rod Malone to Mike Weezer (SP?).


Yes! I think Stauss was our qb but the play was a fake field goal IMO?

[Vet70]

Yes! I think Stauss was our qb but the play was a fake field goal IMO?

https://gobison.com/news/2003/9/6/94151.aspx

[Facts]

I thought Doug Dorsey was a bold pick, but not the right one. There had to be some other choice than to go to the hockey world for a partner.

He overcame the toe-pick; very challenging.