Transfers

[Mr. Burgundy]

It is quite apparent each and every week we play, that transfers are very much a part of FCS football. A lot of kids try FBS and for one reason or another end up playing in the Valley. Not sitting out a year, competitive league, good brand of football, with several very good coaches. Listening to the insiders recently they talked about the transfers that Youngstown has taken in this year. Two 4 star TE's from Ohio State and PItt, a transfer QB from Notre Dame. The Illinois schools are covered with FBS transfers. Personally, I like transfers and have advocated for them a lot on here in the past. Now before you freak out, I like one here and there. Our WR transfer from Illinois has been a great fit. Great kid. Professional family, made sure he was a great fit prior to him coming. That is the type of kid we want. THe Pitt transfer was recently kicked off Pitts Roster. That smells.

That brings me to SDSU. When did Stig completely stop caring? Last year he got his very publicized DUI arrest. Clearly not ideal. That is a career limiting move at a lot of schools, and personally I thought he may be on his best behavior post arrest. Well, the first kid he signed after that arrest was Banks. Who was kicked out of NC State for selling drugs. You can google it if you would like. Honestly I hope the kid cleaned up his act as that isn't an ideal resume builder for a young man. This week they added the Iowa Transfer who was so disruptive at Iowa (his home state) that his teammates voted to have him removed from the team. Again, maybe a great kid, but was in a bad spot in life. Very public DUI, but if all of the truth comes out on his release it won't be thrilling. Not saying he doesn't deserve a great life, just saying that when did SDSU become a place to take on what at least on paper appear to be trouble makers. Stig took on a troubled recruit two years ago, I mentioned it, was told by Jack fans I was wrong, well he has already left the team. Personally, I think Stig wants to win one so bad he is turning things over to a very young and aggressive staff. They are willing to oversell Brookings and it has led to a crazy high attrition rate. Clearly the Omaha connection that Dan Jackson has tried to build has been an epic disaster as they flat out leave Brookings every year. Alarming rate of #Nebraskajacks leave.

There are as many GREAT transfer stories as there are negative ones, some teams are forced to deal with them. If I was SIU or Western, I would try anything as they stink and have stunk for years. Well, SIU was actually great before Lennon tore them down.

WHo are your favorite transfers in the league this year? There are so many studs. Mostly at skill positions. I hope Cain has a wonderful year for us at WR. He has fit in nicely. I hope we stay on the lookout for more. But, clearly our bread and butter is high school recruiting which we are dominating at. Just a topic I was discussing recently with a bunch of guys and then the Insiders conversation made me think more about it. There is probably an all star team of transfers in the Valley. One guy mentioned to me that NDSU is really the only team with media. So a lot of this stuff is not covered or cared about. NDSU fans are loyal and nuts. There is a ton of media that covers this. If NDSU took on trouble, it would be a huge talker. SDSU has no media. None. They have a super fan who tweets at kids and is their biggest fan, but he isn't media and is scared to publicly question Stig or anything SDSU. Can you imagine if we took on the kid who was caught selling drugs? Call it a second chance all you want.

WHo are your favorite transfers in the valley?

[BadlandsBison]

I find it surprising that NDSU doesn’t take/get more transfers. I’m sure our geography is the greatest limiting factor and the staff says no thanks to many more. Still feels like the average for NDSU should be 2 a year, but what do I know.

I will usually go and look at our opponents roster the week we play just to see what’s up. I’m always surprised to see how many transfers there are in the Valley from big schools.

[Mr Meaty]

I find it surprising that NDSU doesn’t take/get more transfers. I’m sure our geography is the greatest limiting factor and the staff says no thanks to many more. Still feels like the average for NDSU should be 2 a year, but what do I know.

I will usually go and look at our opponents roster the week we play just to see what’s up. I’m always surprised to see how many transfers there are in the Valley from big schools.
And NDSU Still wins!!!! That really has to hurt some feelings.

[HerdBot]

I like transfers if it's a good fit. Preferably a 3 year year transfer like King Frazier. I think its important that transfers are a good system fit (think Chad Wilson / John Pike) and it's a position that has a fast learning curve.

As far as other schools, I dont pay close enough attention

Maybe Stiegelmeir was looking for a drinking buddy to pound the Joose with?

[Vet70]

And NDSU Still wins!!!! That really has to hurt some feelings.

SHSU has had a ton of them over the years and it hasn't helped them in the long run. The year we played them in the Championship game JSU also had quite a few.

[Honeybooboo]

Jacksonville ST is the Last Chance U for the SEC

I personnally believe Transfers are a parasite and they left the last school for a reason, im personnaly glad NDSU isnt a Transfer U

[tony]

All I know is that I freaking loved the way King Frazier ran the ball.

[HerdBot]

All I know is that I freaking loved the way King Frazier ran the ball.

King was a good fit. Klieman recruited him heavily and he chose to go to Nebraska so he knew he was a good character guy. Plus he had 3 years of eligibility

[Bison"FANatic"]

For me the thing with transfers is they have to be a great fit and have to clearly be head and shoulders above what we have or fill a major need that we somehow found ourselves in. We are killing it on the High School Recruiting level and you can't mess that up by having transfers come in and take time from a player that has put in their time to work up the depth chart to have someone just step into the spot. You can't give a high school kid one more thing to wonder about in the recruiting game. We have the you work your ass off and put in the time and work the process you will play and succeed type of program. A transfer here or a transfer there is fine but they need to have a very high upside.

As for Stig did he not pull a crap load of redshirts also last year?

[EC8CH]

Yeah but, all those redshirts got pulled because all those kids were ready to play, or so I've heard.

[HerdBot]

For me the thing with transfers is they have to be a great fit and have to clearly be head and shoulders above what we have or fill a major need that we somehow found ourselves in. We are killing it on the High School Recruiting level and you can't mess that up by having transfers come in and take time from a player that has put in their time to work up the depth chart to have someone just step into the spot. You can't give a high school kid one more thing to wonder about in the recruiting game. We have the you work your ass off and put in the time and work the process you will play and succeed type of program. A transfer here or a transfer there is fine but they need to have a very high upside.

As for Stig did he not pull a crap load of redshirts also last year?

Yep they better be 1st team All American caliber athletes, play a position of short term need, have great character, play a position that is learned easily, and either have 3 years of eligibility or 2 years plus spring ball before they start their junior season. Spring ball is huge for mental development

[EC8CH]

Taking transfers because a good opportunity arises with a player that is a good fit is one thing. Relying on transfers as a recruiting strategy is another. No way that's a recipe for sustained success.

[Farmer63]

I can't imagine there are very many teams in all of FBS and FCS that have fewer transfers than NDSU.

[KNOW IT ALL]

If its a kid you highly recruited but he accepts an FBS offer and simply doesnt think he's gonna get his chance and is a good character kid. I am all for taking him in as a transfer. I do think the growing success each and every year in Bison recruiting has a LOT to do with "you commit to us, We'll commit to you". Transfers come on an occasional per case basis only, as appears to be the case at NDSU. IF IT WORKS DONT CHANGE IT!!!

[oldmantutters]

Taking transfers because a good opportunity arises with a player that is a good fit is one thing. Relying on transfers as a recruiting strategy is another. No way that's a recipe for sustained success.

I'm assuming the guys who rely on transfers aren't planning on staying at the FCS level long. Just use it as a stepping stone to get to the next level.

[THEsocalledfan]

It is quite apparent each and every week we play, that transfers are very much a part of FCS football. A lot of kids try FBS and for one reason or another end up playing in the Valley. Not sitting out a year, competitive league, good brand of football, with several very good coaches. Listening to the insiders recently they talked about the transfers that Youngstown has taken in this year. Two 4 star TE's from Ohio State and PItt, a transfer QB from Notre Dame. The Illinois schools are covered with FBS transfers. Personally, I like transfers and have advocated for them a lot on here in the past. Now before you freak out, I like one here and there. Our WR transfer from Illinois has been a great fit. Great kid. Professional family, made sure he was a great fit prior to him coming. That is the type of kid we want. THe Pitt transfer was recently kicked off Pitts Roster. That smells.

That brings me to SDSU. When did Stig completely stop caring? Last year he got his very publicized DUI arrest. Clearly not ideal. That is a career limiting move at a lot of schools, and personally I thought he may be on his best behavior post arrest. Well, the first kid he signed after that arrest was Banks. Who was kicked out of NC State for selling drugs. You can google it if you would like. Honestly I hope the kid cleaned up his act as that isn't an ideal resume builder for a young man. This week they added the Iowa Transfer who was so disruptive at Iowa (his home state) that his teammates voted to have him removed from the team. Again, maybe a great kid, but was in a bad spot in life. Very public DUI, but if all of the truth comes out on his release it won't be thrilling. Not saying he doesn't deserve a great life, just saying that when did SDSU become a place to take on what at least on paper appear to be trouble makers. Stig took on a troubled recruit two years ago, I mentioned it, was told by Jack fans I was wrong, well he has already left the team. Personally, I think Stig wants to win one so bad he is turning things over to a very young and aggressive staff. They are willing to oversell Brookings and it has led to a crazy high attrition rate. Clearly the Omaha connection that Dan Jackson has tried to build has been an epic disaster as they flat out leave Brookings every year. Alarming rate of #Nebraskajacks leave.

There are as many GREAT transfer stories as there are negative ones, some teams are forced to deal with them. If I was SIU or Western, I would try anything as they stink and have stunk for years. Well, SIU was actually great before Lennon tore them down.

WHo are your favorite transfers in the league this year? There are so many studs. Mostly at skill positions. I hope Cain has a wonderful year for us at WR. He has fit in nicely. I hope we stay on the lookout for more. But, clearly our bread and butter is high school recruiting which we are dominating at. Just a topic I was discussing recently with a bunch of guys and then the Insiders conversation made me think more about it. There is probably an all star team of transfers in the Valley. One guy mentioned to me that NDSU is really the only team with media. So a lot of this stuff is not covered or cared about. NDSU fans are loyal and nuts. There is a ton of media that covers this. If NDSU took on trouble, it would be a huge talker. SDSU has no media. None. They have a super fan who tweets at kids and is their biggest fan, but he isn't media and is scared to publicly question Stig or anything SDSU. Can you imagine if we took on the kid who was caught selling drugs? Call it a second chance all you want.

WHo are your favorite transfers in the valley?

Burgundy, any kind of reference list you can provide? I'd love to share this with the Jack hoard here in Sioux Falls as they never hear this stuff, but they'll think you are making it up. (Which I know you are not.)

[Bisonator98]

I think Stig is losing it. Maybe he feels the pressure of USD getting the better of them eventually. He went all in last year and came up short he is throwing out all the stops now. Used to respect the guy but he changed about 3-4 years ago. His players have started playing dirty and he says nothing about it, his coaches shoot their tweets off and he does nothing about it, then the dui and now brings in shady transfers. My guess is he's gone in a couple years.

[MrSnuffleupagus]

I think Stig is losing it. Maybe he feels the pressure of USD getting the better of them eventually. He went all in last year and came up short he is throwing out all the stops now. Used to respect the guy but he changed about 3-4 years ago. His players have started playing dirty and he says nothing about it, his coaches shoot their tweets off and he does nothing about it, then the dui and now brings in shady transfers. My guess is he's gone in a couple years.

What tweets are you referring to just wondering.

[totoinfl]

Big difference IMHO between a guy like Frazier who just wasn't going to move up the depth chart,good back, NU just had better, and the kid who was kicked off the team, was too disruptive. Occasionally it can be a home grown talent who took the FBS plunge and just hates it...let the character issues folks be other team's problems.

[bri-dog]

What tweets are you referring to just wondering.

Pretty sure that would be assistant coach Jason Eck. Loves to tweet stuff about NDSU. Like this and others (too hard to find more, as he tweets a lot)...

https://twitter.com/Coach_Eck/status/966339477793918977

[EC8CH]

What tweets are you referring to just wondering.

@Coach_Eck

[EndZoneQB]

Should call the HS coach of the Ohio WR we offered last year. Trouble in Columbus...lol

[Vet70]

I'm assuming the guys who rely on transfers aren't planning on staying at the FCS level long. Just use it as a stepping stone to get to the next level.

I am not sure about that. I think for a lot of coaches it looks like a quick fix rather than taking the time to develop players ie., a quick way to build up their program to beat NDSU. It is "The future is now" philosophy of George Allen. Some transfers may get in trouble and transfer or get kicked out and some are far down on the depth chart and are not getting playing time (like the Alabama transfer to Montana). Others are not talented enough to be FBS players in the first place. We have been beating teams who are loaded with them for years now (SHSU, ISU-R, and JSU for example).

[BisonNeil]

I like transfers if it's a good fit. Preferably a 3 year year transfer like King Frazier. I think its important that transfers are a good system fit (think Chad Wilson / John Pike) and it's a position that has a fast learning curve.

As far as other schools, I dont pay close enough attention

Maybe Stiegelmeir was looking for a drinking buddy to pound the Joose with?

When I think of transfers I think of the FBS kind that Burgundy mentioned, not the JC kind like Pike and Wilson.

[SDbison]

I am not sure about that. I think for a lot of coaches it looks like a quick fix rather than taking the time to develop players ie., a quick way to build up their program to beat NDSU. It is "The future is now" philosophy of George Allen. Some transfers may get in trouble and transfer or get kicked out and some are far down on the depth chart and are not getting playing time (like the Alabama transfer to Montana). Others are not talented enough to be FBS players in the first place. We have been beating teams who are loaded with them for years now (SHSU, ISU-R, and JSU for example). Same athletes we beat at Ball State, Central Michigan, Minnesota, Colorado State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Iowa.

[Vet70]

Same athletes we beat at Ball State, Central Michigan, Minnesota, Colorado State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Iowa.

Great point. And in some cases, the players on those teams were even better than the transfers.

[Thumper 76]

[QUOTE=Mr. Burgundy;1288674 Stig took on a troubled recruit two years ago, I mentioned it, was told by Jack fans I was wrong, well he has already left the team.
[/QUOTE]
Are you referring to Urbanek here? Because he left because of concussion issues.



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[Christopher Moen]

Are you referring to Urbanek here? Because he left because of concussion issues.



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Stig allows that?


Using my iPhone to Tapatalk-a-tap-dance on the F’Hawking graves of dead feelings from those who worship Nazi-sympathizers.

[tony]

Stig allows that?


You just broke the Bisonville Snap-o-meter. :)

I know some of the references are pretty hard to get - especially ones from 10 years ago so here's what CM was referring to: https://www.yankton.net/sports/article_04812d8e-e552-54cd-a65a-3bf9db0e3e34.html

[HerdBot]

When I think of transfers I think of the FBS kind that Burgundy mentioned, not the JC kind like Pike and Wilson.

I hear ya but to me it's all about the number of years not jc or FBS. Heck Cam Newton was a juco

[Twincitybizon]

You just broke the Bisonville Snap-o-meter. :)

I know some of the references are pretty hard to get - especially ones from 10 years ago so here's what CM was referring to: https://www.yankton.net/sports/article_04812d8e-e552-54cd-a65a-3bf9db0e3e34.html

Wow that article does not age well....... lol

[HerdBot]

You just broke the Bisonville Snap-o-meter. :)

I know some of the references are pretty hard to get - especially ones from 10 years ago so here's what CM was referring to: https://www.yankton.net/sports/article_04812d8e-e552-54cd-a65a-3bf9db0e3e34.html

QB leaves the game with a concussion because he cant remember plays only to go back in during the same game. By today's standards, Stigelmeier and the whole medical staff would be fired. Times sure change in a decade. I remember that game. Had we won, we had an outside chance to make the playoffs with 7 wins. Like every team in front of us with a non automatic bid lost that day

[yopaulie]

Wow that article does not age well....... lol

Wow, pretty crazy. Only 10 yrs ago.

[KC Bison]

If kids are transferring because of trouble, we don't need them and no need to discuss. However, if you are leaving a FBS team because of lack of playing time and opportunity, where would you transfer to? Going to NDSU may mean you have just as much trouble getting playing time. You might figure its better to transfer to a team with less depth and talent if you want to be sure to play.

[Grizzled]

It is quite apparent each and every week we play, that transfers are very much a part of FCS football. A lot of kids try FBS and for one reason or another end up playing in the Valley. Not sitting out a year, competitive league, good brand of football, with several very good coaches. Listening to the insiders recently they talked about the transfers that Youngstown has taken in this year. Two 4 star TE's from Ohio State and PItt, a transfer QB from Notre Dame. The Illinois schools are covered with FBS transfers. Personally, I like transfers and have advocated for them a lot on here in the past. Now before you freak out, I like one here and there. Our WR transfer from Illinois has been a great fit. Great kid. Professional family, made sure he was a great fit prior to him coming. That is the type of kid we want. THe Pitt transfer was recently kicked off Pitts Roster. That smells.

That brings me to SDSU. When did Stig completely stop caring? Last year he got his very publicized DUI arrest. Clearly not ideal. That is a career limiting move at a lot of schools, and personally I thought he may be on his best behavior post arrest. Well, the first kid he signed after that arrest was Banks. Who was kicked out of NC State for selling drugs. You can google it if you would like. Honestly I hope the kid cleaned up his act as that isn't an ideal resume builder for a young man. This week they added the Iowa Transfer who was so disruptive at Iowa (his home state) that his teammates voted to have him removed from the team. Again, maybe a great kid, but was in a bad spot in life. Very public DUI, but if all of the truth comes out on his release it won't be thrilling. Not saying he doesn't deserve a great life, just saying that when did SDSU become a place to take on what at least on paper appear to be trouble makers. Stig took on a troubled recruit two years ago, I mentioned it, was told by Jack fans I was wrong, well he has already left the team. Personally, I think Stig wants to win one so bad he is turning things over to a very young and aggressive staff. They are willing to oversell Brookings and it has led to a crazy high attrition rate. Clearly the Omaha connection that Dan Jackson has tried to build has been an epic disaster as they flat out leave Brookings every year. Alarming rate of #Nebraskajacks leave.

There are as many GREAT transfer stories as there are negative ones, some teams are forced to deal with them. If I was SIU or Western, I would try anything as they stink and have stunk for years. Well, SIU was actually great before Lennon tore them down.

WHo are your favorite transfers in the league this year? There are so many studs. Mostly at skill positions. I hope Cain has a wonderful year for us at WR. He has fit in nicely. I hope we stay on the lookout for more. But, clearly our bread and butter is high school recruiting which we are dominating at. Just a topic I was discussing recently with a bunch of guys and then the Insiders conversation made me think more about it. There is probably an all star team of transfers in the Valley. One guy mentioned to me that NDSU is really the only team with media. So a lot of this stuff is not covered or cared about. NDSU fans are loyal and nuts. There is a ton of media that covers this. If NDSU took on trouble, it would be a huge talker. SDSU has no media. None. They have a super fan who tweets at kids and is their biggest fan, but he isn't media and is scared to publicly question Stig or anything SDSU. Can you imagine if we took on the kid who was caught selling drugs? Call it a second chance all you want.

WHo are your favorite transfers in the valley?

Wasn’t it a few years back that NDSU players/captains voted to have a player removed from a roster and the NDSU coaches
kept him around. You were fine with that?

[Christopher Moen]

Wasn’t it a few years back that NDSU players/captains voted to have a player removed from a roster and the NDSU coaches
kept him around. You were fine with that?

You're going to have to be more specific. I don't remember hearing about this.

[56BISON73]

You're going to have to be more specific. I don't remember hearing about this.

Truth.................

[Grizzled]

You're going to have to be more specific. I don't remember hearing about this.

Of course you didn’t hear about it, the kid was never dismissed from the team. He was a starter. Burgundy will remember, which is why his post is ironic cause he PM’d me about the kid deserving another chance at the time.

[Christopher Moen]

Of course you didn’t hear about it, the kid was never dismissed from the team. He was a starter. Burgundy will remember, which is why his post is ironic cause he PM’d me about the kid deserving another chance at the time.

If it was a private message, then why are you making it public? Worldwide, there is a lot of stuff that goes on within organizations that never makes it to the public. The issue you are bringing up sounds like an inner family struggle. I witness a similar issue in wrestling, and in the end the coaches were right as that the final decision helped us win the 2007 World Championships.

[JSUBison]

You're going to have to be more specific. I don't remember hearing about this.


If it was a private message, then why are you making it public? Worldwide, there is a lot of stuff that goes on within organizations that never makes it to the public. The issue you are bringing up sounds like an inner family struggle. I witness a similar issue in wrestling, and in the end the coaches were right as that the final decision helped us win the 2007 World Championships.

Well I'm not in the Grizzled/Burgundy PM club, and I heard about it. So it was out there to some extent. Grizzled does ask a good question for Burgundy though.

[Christopher Moen]

Well I'm not in the Grizzled/Burgundy PM club, and I heard about it. So it was out there to some extent. Grizzled does ask a good question for Burgundy though.

Was the mystery player a transfer? Just seems like a weird place to take a personal shot at someone.

[BlueBisonRock]

Well I'm not in the Grizzled/Burgundy PM club, and I heard about it. So it was out there to some extent. Grizzled does ask a good question for Burgundy though.

One that can easily be asked via a PM rather than a post targeted for board wide drama.