Student Fees

[MankatoBison]

What are your thoughts on student fees to support athletics? As I understand, we are near the bottom, or THE bottom of the MVFC as far as using student fees to pay for athletics.

I'm typically not a huge advocate of passing major expenses on to the students via student fees (like JMU), but would it be inappropriate to be in the MEDIAN for student fees in the MVFC? How big of a difference would it make?

[IBleedYellow]

What are your thoughts on student fees to support athletics? As I understand, we are near the bottom, or THE bottom of the MVFC as far as using student fees to pay for athletics.

I'm typically not a huge advocate of passing major expenses on to the students via student fees (like JMU), but would it be inappropriate to be in the MEDIAN for student fees in the MVFC? How big of a difference would it make?

We're one the lowest student fees in the FCS, and we should keep it that way.

[Bison bison]

Keep the fees low. Charge for football tickets and if the demand ever grows strong enough for other sports.

[MankatoBison]

We're one the lowest student fees in the FCS, and we should keep it that way.

any reason whyyy you believe that? Are student fees inherently evil?

[Bison bison]

Let the students decide their fees.

[tony]

At NDSU, the students are the ones who set activity fees, and I don't think NDSU should break that trust.

2.5 years ago, Matt Larsen asked the students to raise the athletics part of the fee by $1.67 per credit, and they said no.

[MrSnuffleupagus]

any reason whyyy you believe that? Are student fees inherently evil?

Because if we are being honest here; a vast majority of students do not attend games or really care much about NDSU athletics. Who would want to pay for something they don't use?

[TransAmBison]

Because if we are being honest here; a vast majority of students do not attend games or really care much about NDSU athletics. Who would want to pay for something they don't use?That's part of life...prepares them for taxes!

[HerdBot]

It needs to be saved something huge, like moving up a division. Otherwise we are in good enough shape financially

[DORMIE]

The students pay for a lot if things, as the improvements to the Memorial Union and
everything to do with the Wellness Center.

[wagsabison]

I don't think you raise them just to raise them. It's a good thing the fees are among the lowest.

[MrSnuffleupagus]

That's part of life...prepares them for taxes!

Something tells me that most of them pay those too...

[Bison bison]

I don't think you raise them just to raise them. It's a good thing the fees among the lowest.


This. The athletic department got sent home hat in hand because they didn't make a case.

[Vet70]

What are your thoughts on student fees to support athletics? As I understand, we are near the bottom, or THE bottom of the MVFC as far as using student fees to pay for athletics.

I'm typically not a huge advocate of passing major expenses on to the students via student fees (like JMU), but would it be inappropriate to be in the MEDIAN for student fees in the MVFC? How big of a difference would it make?

Could you share where you got this information? When you refer to a median do you mean overall fees or fees going to athletics?

[IBleedYellow]

It needs to be saved something huge, like moving up a division. Otherwise we are in good enough shape financially

Ding Ding Ding. That's my reasoning. The student fees are something that we can hang our hat on. Until we desperately need them. As long as we have good leadership, we shouldn't ever desperately need them.

[Bisonator98]

I agree with most here. Keep the fees as low as possible. If the AD asks to raise them and the students vote no them a compromise will be made like the loss of student seats this season. Being one of the lowest subsidized AD in the nation at any level is a nice thing to tout when those who hate athletics or higher ed start clamoring.

[MankatoBison]

Could you share where you got this information? When you refer to a median do you mean overall fees or fees going to athletics?

https://www.inforum.com/sports/3932543-ndsu-athletic-department-wants-more-student-funding-through-activity-fees

[MankatoBison]

Could you share where you got this information? When you refer to a median do you mean overall fees or fees going to athletics?

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/2200480-athletics-und-ndsu-subsidized-heavily-schools-students

UND has the 7th LOWEST student fees for sports in FCS and they take THREE TIMES as much as NDSU at #4.

[MankatoBison]

Could you share where you got this information? When you refer to a median do you mean overall fees or fees going to athletics?

and yes I was wondering what if we were the median for student fees going to athletics. Seems like it would be an incredible increase, didn't realize we were bottom 4 in the whole country for this, haha

[HerdBot]

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/2200480-athletics-und-ndsu-subsidized-heavily-schools-students

UND has the 7th LOWEST student fees for sports in FCS and they take THREE TIMES as much as NDSU at #4.

That's one of the things I love about being a North Dakotan. Fiscal responsibility. Props to UND as well and I don't say that very often.

[SDbison]

That's one of the things I love about being a North Dakotan. Fiscal responsibility. Props to UND as well and I don't say that very often. lol kids these days responsible with money! All they are doing is passing the buck and trying not to pay for anything.

[NovaBison]

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/2200480-athletics-und-ndsu-subsidized-heavily-schools-students

UND has the 7th LOWEST student fees for sports in FCS and they take THREE TIMES as much as NDSU at #4.

That is a 2013 article... so not sure how accurate the numbers are today. The following link is for the 2015-2016 academic year.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

It's pretty telling, if you look at the % allocated (as in money coming from the school (aka State) and student fees). I perused the list quickly, and excluding the P5 (who have big contracts with Networks that inflate their budgets), only 7 G5 or FCS programs have a lower % allocated:

- Army
- Arkansas State
- New Mexico
- Nevada
- Wichita State
- Montana
- Alabama A&M (who also have the smallest budget in D1)

NDSU's % Allocated was 34.47%... UND's was 47.95%. JMU's was 80.36% (mostly from student fees)

Also, I noticed in this list there are no private schools, but I can't imagine they are financially better off.

NDSU's fiscal responsibility is really impressive!

[stevdock]

What would be the reason for increasing fees? If it's just to get to the median then there is no reason and should be completely avoided.

Plus in my opinion the students have gotten kind of a raw deal lately with some of the changes that have happened. Football they have their best section taken away and then in the SHAC they go from behind the bench to behind one of the baskets. In fact because of this I think they should be paying a little less in fees. Yes I understand the athletic department can make way more money by doing what they did, and hopefully they have compensated the students somewhat because of this.

[totoinfl]

Wichita State doesn't have football...


That is a 2013 article... so not sure how accurate the numbers are today. The following link is for the 2015-2016 academic year.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

It's pretty telling, if you look at the % allocated (as in money coming from the school (aka State) and student fees). I perused the list quickly, and excluding the P5 (who have big contracts with Networks that inflate their budgets), only 7 G5 or FCS programs have a lower % allocated:

- Army
- Arkansas State
- New Mexico
- Nevada
- Wichita State
- Montana
- Alabama A&M (who also have the smallest budget in D1)

NDSU's % Allocated was 34.47%... UND's was 47.95%. JMU's was 80.36% (mostly from student fees)

Also, I noticed in this list there are no private schools, but I can't imagine they are financially better off.

NDSU's fiscal responsibility is really impressive!

[Vet70]

Wichita State doesn't have football...

The list doesn't relate specifically to football.

[Herd Mentality]

I still want a refund on the fees for the wellness center I had to pay for that never existed while I was at NDSU.

[El_Chapo]

What would be the reason for increasing fees? If it's just to get to the median then there is no reason and should be completely avoided.

Plus in my opinion the students have gotten kind of a raw deal lately with some of the changes that have happened. Football they have their best section taken away and then in the SHAC they go from behind the bench to behind one of the baskets. In fact because of this I think they should be paying a little less in fees. Yes I understand the athletic department can make way more money by doing what they did, and hopefully they have compensated the students somewhat because of this.


TO BUILD A NEW STADIUM.... then they better open up the pocket books!!

[DakotaOkie]

Because if we are being honest here; a vast majority of students do not attend games or really care much about NDSU athletics. Who would want to pay for something they don't use?

In my opinion, this slide started when the dome was built/opened. Students were relegated to some pretty poor seats as compared to Dacotah Field days when half the seating was student section (albeit smaller seating capacity and no, I am not wishing for an open air stadium). Why, as a second class student citizen, would I want to clamor to pay more for athletic programs like football that I have a very low likelihood of attending as a spectator. The bandwagon will chug along for a long time as long as winning continues, but the crowd is pretty well aged that attends football. There will need to be replacements some day and scorned alumni are not as likely to open up the check book.

[Bison Loaf]

In my opinion, this slide started when the dome was built/opened. Students were relegated to some pretty poor seats as compared to Dacotah Field days when half the seating was student section (albeit smaller seating capacity and no, I am not wishing for an open air stadium). Why, as a second class student citizen, would I want to clamor to pay more for athletic programs like football that I have a very low likelihood of attending as a spectator. The bandwagon will chug along for a long time as long as winning continues, but the crowd is pretty well aged that attends football. There will need to be replacements some day and scorned alumni are not as likely to open up the check book.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29nIXG5KJYw

[THEsocalledfan]

Low student fees is something to treasure and be crazy proud of; if you view it as a potential funding source, I'd never vote for you for Congress. :)

[totoinfl]

My point is that they don't have football. As far as Army and the other service academies, they have large alumni sports groups, think Team Makers on steroids, who take up most of the slack for costs.
The list doesn't relate specifically to football.

[Vet70]

I still want a refund on the fees for the wellness center I had to pay for that never existed while I was at NDSU.

Just look at it as part of the ex-President's "Fair Share" and "Shared Sacrifice" agenda.

[THEsocalledfan]

Just look at it as part of the ex-President's "Fair Share" and "Shared Sacrifice" agenda.

The Plough was not high on the great NDSU presidents list. All I remember was him whining about the lack of support from the state, rather than being creative and moving the university forward like Chapman.

BTW, when do we get Chapman statue or building in his honor?

[roadwarrior]

BTW, when do we get Chapman statue or building in his honor?

The house doesn't count?

[GCWaters]

The Plough was not high on the great NDSU presidents list. All I remember was him whining about the lack of support from the state, rather than being creative and moving the university forward like Chapman.

BTW, when do we get Chapman statue or building in his honor?

Word on campus was that Plough was trying to leave almost as soon as he got here...coming from a private school, he was completely unprepared for the legislative budget sessions and didn't want to deal with them...

[Vet70]

The house doesn't count?

Ouch-----:rimshot:

[cx500d]

My point is that they don't have football. As far as Army and the other service academies, they have large alumni sports groups, think Team Makers on steroids, who take up most of the slack for costs.

What costs? Everybody Is on scholarship


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[bisonaudit]

I still want a refund on the fees for the wellness center I had to pay for that never existed while I was at NDSU.

There was a vote of the student body. Students who knew they wouldn’t benefit voted to pay for it anyway.

[bisonaudit]

What would be the reason for increasing fees? If it's just to get to the median then there is no reason and should be completely avoided.

Plus in my opinion the students have gotten kind of a raw deal lately with some of the changes that have happened. Football they have their best section taken away and then in the SHAC they go from behind the bench to behind one of the baskets. In fact because of this I think they should be paying a little less in fees. Yes I understand the athletic department can make way more money by doing what they did, and hopefully they have compensated the students somewhat because of this.

The students are sending less money to the athletic department this next school year than they did the last one.

[KC Bison]

Pay whatever fees you wish, just don't complain with low fee levels if the number of seats for students keeps getting cut back.

[CaBisonFan]

Do the student fees pay for other activities? At SDSU the band gets a portion of the budget...and a pretty significant amount.

[Hammersmith]

Do the student fees pay for other activities? At SDSU the band gets a portion of the budget...and a pretty significant amount.

Oh yeah. Most of it goes to things other than athletics. Athletics is one of the Big Five(I think it's five). I don't know all of them, but athletics, fine arts, and the Union are three of them. The bulk of the activity fee money is split between the Big Five by a funding formula that was set up in the 2000s. The remainder is distributed to the smaller groups by student government.

[El_Chapo]

Take the $37 mill they wanna raise for IPF. Use that towards new stadium.

Raise student fee $100 and use that for 25 year donation x 14,500 students = $36,250,000

4 large corporate donors , each get their own corner of new on campus stadium for product placement, advertising, suites.
$25 million each over 25 years = $100 million.

$173 million 42,000 seat semi enclosed outdoor on campus stadium that NDSU GETS ALL REVENUE (seats, advertising, concessions, suites)

[Hammerhead]

The activity fee is roughly the same as the Wellness Center fee.
https://www.ndsu.edu/onestop/accounts/tuition/student_fees/