2018 Season Tickets

[gumby013]

I noticed the 2018 season ticket prices have been updated.

http://gobison.com/documents/2018/1/29//Football_Season_Ticket_Seating_Chart_Prices_2018.p df?id=10697

http://gobison.com/sports/2013/5/23/tkt_fb.aspx

Seven home games, so the prices are up considerably.

[HerdBot]

I noticed the 2018 season ticket prices have been updated.

http://gobison.com/documents/2018/1/29//Football_Season_Ticket_Seating_Chart_Prices_2018.p df?id=10697

http://gobison.com/sports/2013/5/23/tkt_fb.aspx

Seven home games, so the prices are up considerably.

Mine went up about 50 bucks, so considering inflation and an extra game, not too big of an increase

[THEsocalledfan]

Just made my regular request for 2 season ticket seats. Yes, I deserve to be mocked if you feel so inclined.

[IBleedYellow]

Just made my regular request for 2 season ticket seats. Yes, I deserve to be mocked if you feel so inclined.

Are you a team maker?

[Christopher Moen]

Just made my regular request for 2 season ticket seats. Yes, I deserve to be mocked if you feel so inclined.

Just like dating beautiful women, it doesn't happen unless you ask.

[Bison Loaf]

Just made my regular request for 2 season ticket seats. Yes, I deserve to be mocked if you feel so inclined.


Are you a team maker?

OMG! He said mock him, not gut-punch him!

[THEsocalledfan]

OMG! He said mock him, not gut-punch him!

Ha, ha, ha. But yes, IBY, I am a team maker.

[89MTBISON]

Any thoughts on who has a better chance of winning this lottery? A new season ticket request or an existing season ticket holder requesting additional seats.

[gumby013]

Any thoughts on who has a better chance of winning this lottery? A new season ticket request or an existing season ticket holder requesting additional seats.

Whomever has more points.

[NDSU1980]

Mine went up about 50 bucks, so considering inflation and an extra game, not too big of an increase

If you can still afford them, they aren't high enough :D Only way some of us will ever get season tickets.

[Mr Meaty]

If you can still afford them, they aren't high enough :D Only way some of us will ever get season tickets.

There is a lot of truth to your statement. I do have season tickets. But what % of your season tickets should turnover each year? 0%? 5%? 10%?

[BattleBorn]

Just made my regular request for 2 season ticket seats. Yes, I deserve to be mocked if you feel so inclined.

It doesn't hurt to try. I always try. Even a steer tries.

[bisonaudit]

Looks like all endzone seats increased $47 and all sideline seats increased $57. Presumably scholarship seats increased more for most ticket holders.

[Bison"FANatic"]

So it looks like my total ticket price with seat fee actually went down on a per game basis.

[roadwarrior]

Presumably scholarship seats increased more for most ticket holders.

$150 per seat more in my section

[bisonaudit]

So it looks like my total ticket price with seat fee actually went down on a per game basis.

Can’t know about most of the scholarship seats, but this looks to be true for all ticket classes except the sideline and endzone, which increased less than $2 per ticket per game.

[Bison03]

Wy are people surprised that ticket prices went up? You realize there are 7 home games this year not 6 like previous years.

[56BISON73]

Wy are people surprised that ticket prices went up? You realize there are 7 home games this year not 6 like previous years.

We go through this every year.

[imabison]

Wy are people surprised that ticket prices went up? You realize there are 7 home games this year not 6 like previous years.

Ok I have not seen any pricing yet, but expect if there is an extra game it will go up. Now the future question if it drops to 6 games does the price go down, or is it
the same price future for 6 games as it was now for 7 games.

[56BISON73]

So where are people getting all of these prices?

[Bison"FANatic"]

1st post of this thread follow the link

[bisonaudit]

Wy are people surprised that ticket prices went up? You realize there are 7 home games this year not 6 like previous years.

People are surprised?

[bisonaudit]

Ok I have not seen any pricing yet, but expect if there is an extra game it will go up. Now the future question if it drops to 6 games does the price go down, or is it
the same price future for 6 games as it was now for 7 games.

I don’t remember for sure but what’s tickling the back of my brain is that the last time we had 7 home games there was a fairly substantial increase that year and then the next season with just 6 games prices didn’t change.

[NorthernBison]

The cost has increased every year. No way will it decrease in future years barring a complete collapse in demand. Period.


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[Honeybooboo]

The cost has increased every year. No way will it decrease in future years barring a complete collapse in demand. Period.


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Eventually they will reach a plateau, only so much people will shell out for FCS football

[MNLonghorn10]

When are we allowed to renew again

[Professor Chaos]

I don’t remember for sure but what’s tickling the back of my brain is that the last time we had 7 home games there was a fairly substantial increase that year and then the next season with just 6 games prices didn’t change.
They've had 7 (regular season) home games before?

I'd guess that actual ticket prices will go back down next year but they'll just raise the per seat TM donation to make it roughly equal out.

I remember the "good old days" of the late 2000s when endzone season tickets were about $100 a piece.

[roadwarrior]

They've had 7 (regular season) home games before?

In 1998 and 2000. Those are the only two years I could find with 7 regular season games.

[barnwintersportsengelstad]

So what's the individual seat price before the donation?

[imabison]

If you can still afford them, they aren't high enough :D Only way some of us will ever get season tickets.

Is this what you are asking for...from http://gobison.com/sports/2013/5/23/tkt_fb.aspx


Single-Game Tickets
Single-game tickets will go on sale August 1 and will be available at GoBison.com/tickets.
Date
Opponent
Sideline / End Zone
9/1
Cal Poly
$40 / $30
9/15
North Alabama
$40 / $30
9/22
Delaware (Homecoming)
$50 / $40
9/29
South Dakota State
$50 / $40
10/20
Illinois State
$50 / $40
11/3
Youngstown State
$50 / $40
11/17
Southern Illinois
$40 / $30

Season Tickets
Requests for new season tickets can be submitted online from February 1 through April 15. If any tickets become available, they will be allocated based on priority point totals. The higher your point total, the better your chances are of getting season tickets.

Type
Price
End Zone Reserved*
$237
Sideline Reserved*
$307

[NDSU1980]

So what's the individual seat price before the donation?

http://gobison.com/documents/2018/1/29//Football_Season_Ticket_Seating_Chart_Prices_2018.p df?id=10697

[NDSU1980]

Is this what you are asking for...from http://gobison.com/sports/2013/5/23/tkt_fb.aspx


Single-Game Tickets
Single-game tickets will go on sale August 1 and will be available at GoBison.com/tickets.
Date
Opponent
Sideline / End Zone
9/1
Cal Poly
$40 / $30
9/15
North Alabama
$40 / $30
9/22
Delaware (Homecoming)
$50 / $40
9/29
South Dakota State
$50 / $40
10/20
Illinois State
$50 / $40
11/3
Youngstown State
$50 / $40
11/17
Southern Illinois
$40 / $30

Season Tickets
Requests for new season tickets can be submitted online from February 1 through April 15. If any tickets become available, they will be allocated based on priority point totals. The higher your point total, the better your chances are of getting season tickets.

Type
Price
End Zone Reserved*
$237
Sideline Reserved*
$307

I think Barney is asking about season tickets, not single game tickets. But really, what would barney know about season tickets, UN_ can never get anyone to show up for more than one game in a season.

[imabison]

I think Barney is asking about season tickets, not single game tickets. But really, what would barney know about season tickets, UN_ can never get anyone to show up for more than one game in a season.

That's why I put in both single and season...:)

[56BISON73]

When are we allowed to renew again

Youre going to renew????

[MNLonghorn10]

Youre going to renew????

Yep. REALLY looking forward to that Northern Alabama game.

[56BISON73]

Yep. REALLY looking forward to that Northern Alabama game.

Giggity!!!!!!!!!!

[EC8CH]

Yep. REALLY looking forward to that Northern Alabama game.

Are you saying you want Bama?

[barnwintersportsengelstad]

http://gobison.com/documents/2018/1/29//Football_Season_Ticket_Seating_Chart_Prices_2018.p df?id=10697

Thank You! and imabison too.

[CAS4127]

For some reason this blows my mind. Doesn’t seem that long ago that I got buzzed at tailgating and watched our game against them.

https://twitter.com/billmcgillisusd/status/966028748179951616


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[CVOLK]

Just put in my first ever request for additional tickets. Fairly high priority ranking, 299. Asking for 2-4 seats anywhere in the building. Anyone else in the recent past with similar numbers make a similar request and get tickets?

[Ndsu84]

We put in for 4 extra tickets 4 years ago and got 4 but they weren’t together. There were fairly close though and decent seats in 21.

I let them go this year because it was too hard getting my people to decide who was using them when.

A better ranking though.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Just a reminder ticket payment deadline is in a few days!!!!!!!!

[bisonfanette]

Just put in my first ever request for additional tickets. Fairly high priority ranking, 299. Asking for 2-4 seats anywhere in the building. Anyone else in the recent past with similar numbers make a similar request and get tickets?

A couple of yrs ago, I requested an additional single seat & rec'd a call. That's doesn't answer your question tho, & a single season ticket would be easier to obtain that a pair.
I do have a question tho. Let's say a season ticket holder with 250 pts requests 2 ADDITIONAL seats, and a non-season ticket holder with 250 pts requests 2 season tickets...
who would get them? (Yes, there are non-season ticket holders with alot of pts.) Would the season ticket holder get them? Do they process the requests of the season ticket holder first? IDK... just asking.

[17>1]

Went to Florida the last week of March, and mentioned a couple of times to my dad while I was down there "I wonder when I'll get my notice to renew my season tickets?". Never thought of checking online, figured something would be coming in the mail soon when I got back. Checked my mail on the 31st, April 1st deadline...whoa that was close, haha. I moved since last years renewal and hadn't updated my GoBison.com account yet so my mail from them must've taken a little longer to reach me.

[Bison bison]

Just put in my first ever request for additional tickets. Fairly high priority ranking, 299. Asking for 2-4 seats anywhere in the building. Anyone else in the recent past with similar numbers make a similar request and get tickets?

Are you a below average college basketball coach? The athletic department cant say no.

[Herd Mentality]

Just got a letter in today's mail that they are making available 570 new season tickets in section 16. That was unexpected.

[roadwarrior]

Just got a letter in today's mail that they are making available 570 new season tickets in section 16. That was unexpected.

Looks like the students lost section 16, if that's true.

[Herd Mentality]

Looks like the students lost section 16, if that's true.

The thick letter I got in the mail with all the information on how to get said tickets would mean it's true. Can't believe this hasn't made the news that the students are losing one of the sections they fought for and won in 1994.

[Bison 4 Life]

The thick letter I got in the mail with all the information on how to get said tickets would mean it's true. Can't believe this hasn't made the news that the students are losing one of the sections they fought for and won in 1994.

These kids parents, maybe. Most of these kids were born after that. TBH, there doesn't seem a lot of "fight" in the college kids these days. Can't get some of them to even show up.

[Herd Mentality]

I imagine that section being worth 750k-1M in TeamMakers fees had nothing to do with it.

[wagsabison]

I imagine that section being worth 750k-1M in TeamMakers fees had nothing to do with it.

That's a good chunk of money. I actually think they should have at least had the first few rows for students... the dedicated ones that show up and get in line early so they can sit where they want. Money talks.

[TransAmBison]

The thick letter I got in the mail with all the information on how to get said tickets would mean it's true. Can't believe this hasn't made the news that the students are losing one of the sections they fought for and won in 1994.I remember when that fight was won...was a big deal back then. Can't say I'm a fan of the students losing those tickets. Losing some good interaction between the students and opposing players right there...

[MNLonghorn10]

Not a big deal to me...the majority of student sections are half empty at halftime when the score is out of reach.

[bisonp]

Were students even showing up to start the games during the regular season? I thought there was a lot of complaining about that last season.

Students create the atmosphere. But if they aren't showing up it doesn't matter anyway.

[roadwarrior]

Were students even showing up to start the games during the regular season? I thought there was a lot of complaining about that last season.

Students create the atmosphere. But if they aren't showing up it doesn't matter anyway.

I think the only game student tickets sold out last year was the first game.

[HerdBot]

Just got a letter in today's mail that they are making available 570 new season tickets in section 16. That was unexpected.


Looks like the students lost section 16, if that's true.


I imagine that section being worth 750k-1M in TeamMakers fees had nothing to do with it.

This is a big money win for our football program. We can't expand the dome so if the students won't go, why not sell them to fans who would pay? Although I doubt its worth a million in teammakers dues

I would give students first priority for standing room tickets though

[Bisonator98]

The students voted down a student fee increase request. They don't fill the seats they have, they lose them, supply and demand.

[Bison 4 Life]

My money's on a collective "meh" from the students, if any reaction at all.

[Bisonator98]

My money's on a collective "meh" from the students, if any reaction at all.

They won't even notice.

[TAILG8R]

They won't even notice.

They'll notice at homecoming when everyone wants to go the first half of the game.

[TransAmBison]

So the students lose their best section? It is a pity.

[wagsabison]

I'm sure the forum will be all over this.

[Bison 4 Life]

SDSU stuffs them all in end zone seats. At least they get a little sideline.

[Herd Mentality]

Although I doubt its worth a million in teammakers dues.

I bet it's a lot closer than you'd think. Straight up new seat requirement donation is probably around $750k. The key will be how many people with seats add that are grandfathered in, because they won't be grandfathered in at the old rate anymore on their current seats. Might even see a few big one time donations to acquire points for better seats.

I think it' a pity, but do we chalk this up as something the new AD has actually done?

[HerdBot]

I bet it's a lot closer than you'd think. Straight up new seat requirement donation is probably around $750k. The key will be how many people with seats add that are grandfathered in, because they won't be grandfathered in at the old rate anymore on their current seats. Might even see a few big one time donations to acquire points for better seats.

I think it' a pity, but do we chalk this up as something the new AD has actually done?

Matt Larson is judged many ways, including generating revenue. A win in that category but I would give him an F in student engagement. Lack of student engagement will hurt the program long term as they are our future donors. What were we doing to engage thrm?

[DORMIE]

Compared to many schools, student contribution to athletics
is less. Maybe they should utilize the seats and show up
to the games. They have become very complacent. The
added seats are huge to the bottom line.. Believe me,
they will be sole in a heartbeat.

[Mr Meaty]

I bet it's a lot closer than you'd think. Straight up new seat requirement donation is probably around $750k. The key will be how many people with seats add that are grandfathered in, because they won't be grandfathered in at the old rate anymore on their current seats. Might even see a few big one time donations to acquire points for better seats.

I think it' a pity, but do we chalk this up as something the new AD has actually done?

Rough estimate is $580,000 in TM fees and $175,000 in additional tickets sales. Total estimate is $755,000. Here is a chance for "all" the people begging to become season ticket holders to now setup with their money.

[Honeybooboo]

I'm in Section 17, I don't think I saw The student section actually Full all last year, now the bottom 10 rows of 16 by the team bench, was always rocking

[wagsabison]

Might get a little backlash but a year or two down the road nobody will know the difference.

[BisonNation11]

Matt Larson is judged many ways, including generating revenue. A win in that category but I would give him an F in student engagement. Lack of student engagement will hurt the program long term as they are our future donors. What were we doing to engage thrm?

As far as football is concerned, what more do you need to do to engage them? The football team literally kicks ass, it's a great venue that's continuously getting better for the fans (video boards, lighting, vendors), and they can be rewarded for coming to games. Outside of going full on Bubbles and handing out tickets, what more do the students want?

[Honeybooboo]

As far as football is concerned, what more do you need to do to engage them? The football team literally kicks ass, it's a great venue that's continuously getting better for the fans (video boards, lighting, vendors), and they can be rewarded for coming to games. Outside of going full on Bubbles and handing out tickets, what more do the students want?

exactly, they had their chance to prove they cared, better to sell those seats then have them sit there with no revenue, at least now if they are empty we can bitch at fans again...lol

[56BISON73]

Matt Larson is judged many ways, including generating revenue. A win in that category but I would give him an F in student engagement. Lack of student engagement will hurt the program long term as they are our future donors. What were we doing to engage thrm?

If the students dont wanna---they just dont wanna. JFC How many fucking national championships do they need to win to get these student to show up?
You dont use the seats you lose them. Bring in the people who really want to be there. This will move the money needle 1-1.5 million.

[gumby013]

My request for more tickets has been mailed in. I'm doubting I will get anymore though.

[SDbison]

If the students dont wanna---they just dont wanna. JFC How many fucking national championships do they need to win to get these student to show up?
You dont use the seats you lose them. Bring in the people who really want to be there. This will move the money needle 1-1.5 million. I actually agree with what PL said. I must be dreaming this.

[CAS4127]

My request for more tickets has been mailed in. I'm doubting I will get anymore though.

I’d rather see TM waiting for tickets get these rather than existing TMs. No offense meant to you or others, just my thoughts.


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[SDbison]

I’d rather see TM waiting for tickets get these rather than existing TMs. No offense meant to you or others, just my thoughts.


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[HerdBot]

I’d rather see TM waiting for tickets get these rather than existing TMs. No offense meant to you or others, just my thoughts.


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I agree , need some new members

[ByeSonBusiness]

I'm in Section 17, I don't think I saw The student section actually Full all last year, now the bottom 10 rows of 16 by the team bench, was always rocking

When I was in school, the bottom ten rows were usually probably 1.5x capacity in a couple sections. This would result in the top rows being empty. Doubt that continues to be the case since my relatives still in school have echoed what you said here. Students can(doubt they will in any significant numbers) complain, but if the seats aren't being filled.... tough to have a leg to stand on. I'd have maybe suggested taking an end zone section first but that's just me.

[HerdBot]

If the students dont wanna---they just dont wanna. JFC How many fucking national championships do they need to win to get these student to show up?
You dont use the seats you lose them. Bring in the people who really want to be there. This will move the money needle 1-1.5 million.

I agree. I just think it's the job of the AD to engage the students and despite a ridiculous amount of success, they just don't seem to care. Personally I think the million bucks in revenue is insanely impactful to the program

[TransAmBison]

When I was in school, the bottom ten rows were usually probably 1.5x capacity in a couple sections. This would result in the top rows being empty. Doubt that continues to be the case since my relatives still in school have echoed what you said here. Students can(doubt they will in any significant numbers) complain, but if the seats aren't being filled.... tough to have a leg to stand on. I'd have maybe suggested taking an end zone section first but that's just me.I agree with this. My biggest complaint is they took the best section from the students. Just sad to see the victory (once upon a time) for the students end in defeat. No problem with a section being taken away...but would rather it have been taken from the endzone.

[IBleedYellow]

This is a big money win for our football program. We can't expand the dome so if the students won't go, why not sell them to fans who would pay? Although I doubt its worth a million in teammakers dues

I would give students first priority for standing room tickets though

Let's do the math.


Sections A-T = 20 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 360 seats. 360 seats * $1682 = $605,520
Sections U-Z = 6 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 108 seats. 108 seats * $732 = $79,056
Sections AA-KK = 11 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 198 seats. 192 seats * $557 = $110,286

$605,520 + $79,056 + $110,286 = $794,862

Decent, but not $1M.

[NovaBison]

I use to be in the camp that said you cannot take away the student's seats because attending college football games is part of the student experience. After seeing what portion NDSU's athletic budget comes from student fees compared to other Division 1 schools, and given the fact that they are not using 100% of their allotment, taking away a portion of their seats seems to be a smart move. Team Makers deserves the additional seats given that they have been doing the heavy lifting to support NDSU's athletics program.

The students that truly want to be at the game will still be able to get their tickets... this just eliminates the ones that were not all that committed to watching the games.

[CAS4127]

Take individual seats out of now existing student section and put in bench seats and pack ‘em in. Probably get same amount of students in there as with two sections and number of students who actually go to games.


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[IBleedYellow]

Take individual seats out of now existing student section and put in bench seats and pack ‘em in. Probably get same amount of students in there as with two sections and number of students who actually go to games.


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I'd love to see that, but it's not happening with the other events that the Fargodome hosts.

[Mr. Burgundy]

Take individual seats out of now existing student section and put in bench seats and pack ‘em in. Probably get same amount of students in there as with two sections and number of students who actually go to games.


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I absolutely LOVE this. JUMP AROUND! You are a college student, lets party! WHile they are at it, replace EVERY seat. My goodness. Place has money for days. time to upgrade...and change the damn color.

[RedRiver]

Let's do the math.


Sections A-T = 20 Rows * 18 Seats. =

Comparable sections 3, 33 and 20 are priced as follows.

Total Per Seat for 2018 Season Tickets:

Rows A-T $1,682
Rows U-Z $732
Rows AA-KK $557

Somebody else can finish the math for a total.

[IBleedYellow]

Comparable sections 3, 33 and 20 are priced as follows.

Total Per Seat for 2018 Season Tickets:

Rows A-T $1,682
Rows U-Z $732
Rows AA-KK $557

Go recheck my post ;)

[CAS4127]

Comparable sections 3, 33 and 20 are priced as follows.

Total Per Seat for 2018 Season Tickets:

Rows A-T $1,682
Rows U-Z $732
Rows AA-KK $557

Somebody else can finish the math for a total.

Can you multiply those by 6 and include TM fees if not included?

I’ll hang up and listen.


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[IBleedYellow]

Let's do the math.


Sections A-T = 20 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 360 seats. 360 seats * $1682 = $605,520
Sections U-Z = 6 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 108 seats. 108 seats * $732 = $79,056
Sections AA-KK = 11 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 198 seats. 192 seats * $557 = $110,286

$605,520 + $79,056 + $110,286 = $794,862

Decent, but not $1M.

@CAS.

Also it would be slightly hard than "multiply that by 6" because each section would be different.

[CAS4127]

@CAS.

Also it would be slightly hard than "multiply that by 6" because each section would be different.

Thanks. Was referring to that specific section.


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[Honeybooboo]

I agree with this. My biggest complaint is they took the best section from the students. Just sad to see the victory (once upon a time) for the students end in defeat. No problem with a section being taken away...but would rather it have been taken from the endzone.

people will pay more for Sideline than Endzone, guessing it was purely a financial reason

[IBleedYellow]

Wondering what the expected cutoff will be for priority points...

Trying to figure out if I can get my hopes up or not.

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[HerdBot]

Let's do the math.


Sections A-T = 20 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 360 seats. 360 seats * $1682 = $605,520
Sections U-Z = 6 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 108 seats. 108 seats * $732 = $79,056
Sections AA-KK = 11 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 198 seats. 192 seats * $557 = $110,286

$605,520 + $79,056 + $110,286 = $794,862

Decent, but not $1M.


Are those numbers for tickets plus teammakers dues?

[IBleedYellow]

Are those numbers for tickets plus teammakers dues?Yes.

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[Honeybooboo]

Wondering what the expected cutoff will be for priority points...

Trying to figure out if I can get my hopes up or not.

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I too wish like CAS they would limit current people to allow new in, I'm guessing there will be some high point seat hogs taking more than they need just to have them, but maybe not.

[HerdBot]

Let's do the math.


Sections A-T = 20 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 360 seats. 360 seats * $1682 = $605,520
Sections U-Z = 6 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 108 seats. 108 seats * $732 = $79,056
Sections AA-KK = 11 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 198 seats. 192 seats * $557 = $110,286

$605,520 + $79,056 + $110,286 = $794,862

Decent, but not $1M.

Now they'll have to actually communicate these are available. That's something they have done a poor job of in the past

[IBleedYellow]

Now they'll have to actually communicate these are available. That's something they have done a poor job of in the pastThey literally sent a letter out to all current Teammakers.

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[gumby013]

Here’s the letter for those who didn’t receive it.

https://i.imgur.com/QzswvIn.jpg

And the updated seating chart.

https://i.imgur.com/ZuOGe4j.jpg

[Mr Meaty]

I’d rather see TM waiting for tickets get these rather than existing TMs. No offense meant to you or others, just my thoughts.


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I agree with this thought as other have.

[Bison 4 Life]

How is the "waitlist" handled? Does it renew every year first come first served or is there a rolling waitlist from TM membership?

[gumby013]

How is the "waitlist" handled? Does it renew every year first come first served or is there a rolling waitlist from TM membership?

All based on points from what I can tell.

[THEsocalledfan]

I agree with this thought as other have.

Glad to see folks still love me. :) I wonder if I got the letter. On my way back from Tokyo; I put in for tickets in February.

[bisonaudit]

Let's do the math.


Sections A-T = 20 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 360 seats. 360 seats * $1682 = $605,520
Sections U-Z = 6 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 108 seats. 108 seats * $732 = $79,056
Sections AA-KK = 11 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 198 seats. 192 seats * $557 = $110,286

$605,520 + $79,056 + $110,286 = $794,862

Decent, but not $1M.

You've got too many seats in your calculation. Doesn’t reconcile to 570 said to be available. Suite and entrances are probably the issue. I’m getting around $640,000. $460,000 of which is Teammakers, the balance ticket revenue.

Students were holding about $1.7 million in seat revenue. Now it’s more like $1.1.

[HerdBot]

You've got too many seats in your calculation. Doesn’t reconcile to 570 said to be available. Suite and entrances are probably the issue. I’m getting around $640,000. $460,000 of which is Teammakers, the balance ticket revenue.

Students were holding about $1.7 million in seat revenue. Now it’s more like $1.1.

Tickets are 307 each x 507 =174,990 but totals say 660 seats x 307 = 202,620

Teammakers dues would probably mirror section 20
A-T 1375 (360 x 1375 = 495,000)
U-Z 425 (108 x 425) = 45,900)
AA-KK 250 (192x250 =48000)
588,900

588,900 tm + 174,990 or 202,620 (with 660 seats)

Best case scenario 791,520


Wonder what disparities are? Maybe top rows will be sold as singles? Or like you said suites take up some spots?

[NDSU1980]

This will bring in far more money than what some of you figured. I'd bet you see a huge one time jump in donations to get more PP. We will probably never see this many new season tickets dumped onto the market again in our lifetimes. If say 1000 people each donate an extra $1,000, that's a million dollar one time shot. I can see a few people donating far more for this chance.

Face it, those that really want season tickets, it may be now or never. An extra $10,000 gets you 200 more points. Think of it in terms of the Great Oklahoma Land Rush back in the settler days.

[Honeybooboo]

This will bring in far more money than what some of you figured. I'd bet you see a huge one time jump in donations to get more PP. We will probably never see this many new season tickets dumped onto the market again in our lifetimes. If say 1000 people each donate an extra $1,000, that's a million dollar one time shot. I can see a few people donating far more for this chance.

Face it, those that really want season tickets, it may be now or never. An extra $10,000 gets you 200 more points. Think of it in terms of the Great Oklahoma Land Rush back in the settler days.

This may also be a grest test to check the market for an upcoming expansion/new study...

[HerdBot]

This will bring in far more money than what some of you figured. I'd bet you see a huge one time jump in donations to get more PP. We will probably never see this many new season tickets dumped onto the market again in our lifetimes. If say 1000 people each donate an extra $1,000, that's a million dollar one time shot. I can see a few people donating far more for this chance.

Face it, those that really want season tickets, it may be now or never. An extra $10,000 gets you 200 more points. Think of it in terms of the Great Oklahoma Land Rush back in the settler days.

Great point... all I know is if we can raise an extra million bucks per year, we should raise our coaching salaries. Pay each assistant an extra 40-50 grand, they deserve it. I'm sure fans would feel good about their money going there. That about a half million needed but that's significant enough to help with retention and long term stability which is what successful teams need

[56BISON73]

Let's do the math.


Sections A-T = 20 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 360 seats. 360 seats * $1682 = $605,520
Sections U-Z = 6 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 108 seats. 108 seats * $732 = $79,056
Sections AA-KK = 11 Rows * 18 Seats/row = 198 seats. 192 seats * $557 = $110,286

$605,520 + $79,056 + $110,286 = $794,862

Decent, but not $1M.

You havent taken in consideration of new money coming in to get seats. Plus additional donations to up priority points. I know over the past few season there were some BIG money
waiting for the opportunity to buy tix.

[CAS4127]

Great point... all I know is if we can raise an extra million bucks per year, we should raise our coaching salaries. Pay each assistant an extra 40-50 grand, they deserve it. I'm sure fans would feel good about their money going there. That about a half million needed but that's significant enough to help with retention and long term stability which is what successful teams need

I’d really like to see $$ going to S&C too. Hell, why not ask season ticket holders if they are willing to donate $2 per ticket to go straight to S&C coaches like we often get hit up for at checkout counters for varies charities. I’d hit the “yes” button and my wallet would never know the difference. What, $24 for a season x however many seats?


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[kab1one]

Question to the thread. How interested were you in football games when you went to NDSU? I attended 1984-1988. Bentrim, Stock Year dynasty. Went to 1 game in 3 falls. Later living in Denver, went to two NDSU games in Greeley, and a couple of games at St. Cloud while living in St. Cloud.

Had season tickets going back to the early Bohl Years.

Point being, I go to the games now, would add a couple of more tickets if available, but had very little interest in NDSU while in college.

[Jay]

Question to the thread. How interested were you in football games when you went to NDSU? I attended 1984-1988. Bentrim, Stock Year dynasty. Went to 1 game in 3 falls. Later living in Denver, went to two NDSU games in Greeley, and a couple of games at St. Cloud while living in St. Cloud.

Had season tickets going back to the early Bohl Years.

Point being, I go to the games now, would add a couple of more tickets if available, but had very little interest in NDSU while in college.

Was one of the first in line, went to every game.

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[scottietohottie]

Question to the thread. How interested were you in football games when you went to NDSU? I attended 1984-1988. Bentrim, Stock Year dynasty. Went to 1 game in 3 falls. Later living in Denver, went to two NDSU games in Greeley, and a couple of games at St. Cloud while living in St. Cloud.

Had season tickets going back to the early Bohl Years.

Point being, I go to the games now, would add a couple of more tickets if available, but had very little interest in NDSU while in college.

I went to NDSU just for the free tickets to games and figured out that if you showed up really early you got really good seats and made it through 2 seasons of football before dropping out. Yelled stuff at the visiting teams number 2.

My third semester I only showed up for flag football days in a phyed class. Dominated flag football. The T A asked me who I was. I thought I was probably going to get offered a tryout. I was wrong. She told me I better start showing up for class. I walked off into the sunset.

Turned out alright

[bisonaudit]

Tickets are 307 each x 507 =174,990 but totals say 660 seats x 307 = 202,620

Teammakers dues would probably mirror section 20
A-T 1375 (360 x 1375 = 495,000)
U-Z 425 (108 x 425) = 45,900)
AA-KK 250 (192x250 =48000)
588,900

588,900 tm + 174,990 or 202,620 (with 660 seats)

Best case scenario 791,520


Wonder what disparities are? Maybe top rows will be sold as singles? Or like you said suites take up some spots?

Suite takes out 4 rows at 18 seats per row. The row below and the two rows above aren’t a full 18 either, they’re like 10 or 11. There are actually more than 18 seats in the top row because there is no aisle.

[SDbison]

I went to NDSU just for the free tickets to games and figured out that if you showed up really early you got really good seats and made it through 2 seasons of football before dropping out. Yelled stuff at the visiting teams number 2.

My third semester I only showed up for flag football days in a phyed class. Dominated flag football. The T A asked me who I was. I thought I was probably going to get offered a tryout. I was wrong. She told me I better start showing up for class. I walked off into the sunset.

Turned out alright Our Millertime flag football team dominated flag football for 3 years back in 1980 to 82. Won the championship twice and took 2nd once. We were mostly engineering and architecture students and beat the NDSU former football player team for one of the championships. That was a bloody battle on Dacotah field under the lights.

[NDSU1980]

Question to the thread. How interested were you in football games when you went to NDSU? I attended 1984-1988. Bentrim, Stock Year dynasty. Went to 1 game in 3 falls. Later living in Denver, went to two NDSU games in Greeley, and a couple of games at St. Cloud while living in St. Cloud.

Had season tickets going back to the early Bohl Years.

Point being, I go to the games now, would add a couple of more tickets if available, but had very little interest in NDSU while in college.

I went to Homecoming and the late season games. My folks were paying for much of my college so it was pretty much get home on the weekends and help with the harvesting. I will say Thank God for Slo Gin or I don't think I could have sat through all those cold games. Saw a lot of good games though, the Wacker and Morton era.

[CAS4127]

I went to Homecoming and the late season games. My folks were paying for much of my college so it was pretty much get home on the weekends and help with the harvesting. I will say Thank God for Slo Gin or I don't think I could have sat through all those cold games. Saw a lot of good games though, the Wacker and Morton era.

You’re a Bitch!


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[Bison bison]

Insert comment about bedazzled jeans here.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Great point... all I know is if we can raise an extra million bucks per year, we should raise our coaching salaries. Pay each assistant an extra 40-50 grand, they deserve it. I'm sure fans would feel good about their money going there. That about a half million needed but that's significant enough to help with retention and long term stability which is what successful teams need

I'd use the money for other sports. The coaches ndsu football loses currently seems to be about career advancement AND money. 40-50k isn't going to keep a dude here that wants an opportunity at a coordinator job somewhere solid or a position coach spot at a good place.

Could be wrong though.

[HerdBot]

I'd use the money for other sports. The coaches ndsu football loses currently seems to be about career advancement AND money. 40-50k isn't going to keep a dude here that wants an opportunity at a coordinator job somewhere solid or a position coach spot at a good place.

Could be wrong though.

All the coaches who don't deserve to be fired need some pay raises. It's not that they are underpaid, it's to keep them here and not be a transitional job.

I'd like to see a head football coach someday get closer to 750k because we take football as serious as G5 schools and that would essentially eliminate a Wyoming type job poaching. Klieman already is approaching a half million with incentives and bonuses so it's actually realistic.

I think we need to pay a head basketball coach over 400 some day. That will retain coaches and attract great candidates.

Non revenue sports I'm not a fan of huge raises but Mueller sure s hell deserves a raise.

I think if you're an assistant coach making 100k, a 40-50k raise is impactful. Enough to keep a 200k offer not look quite as attractive to sell your house and move your family

Gotta remember we got Klieman from UNI and money had to have some impact. Same with Messingham. I doubt he comes here without a competitive salary. And the coaching carousel Bohl went through ultimately lead to a 3-8 season

[BisonNeil]

All the coaches who don't deserve to be fired need some pay raises. It's not that they are underpaid, it's to keep them here and not be a transitional job.

I'd like to see a head football coach someday get closer to 750k because we take football as serious as G5 schools and that would essentially eliminate a Wyoming type job poaching. Klieman already is approaching a half million with incentives and bonuses so it's actually realistic.

I think we need to pay a head basketball coach over 400 some day. That will retain coaches and attract great candidates.

Non revenue sports I'm not a fan of huge raises but Mueller sure s hell deserves a raise.

I think if you're an assistant coach making 100k, a 40-50k raise is impactful. Enough to keep a 200k offer not look quite as attractive to sell your house and move your family

Gotta remember we got Klieman from UNI and money had to have some impact. Same with Messingham. I doubt he comes here without a competitive salary. And the coaching carousel Bohl went through ultimately lead to a 3-8 season

Well, it probably contributed but in reality Bohl’s inability to recruit a QB led to the 3-8 season. He went two consecutive years without signing a QB. At those press conferences the first year he said that they couldn’t put that much scholarship money into one position, the second year he said there were NO Division I QBs in their recruiting area, which was across 8-9 states. It was pure bullshit. The lack of an effective QB group that could compete with each other for the starting job is what ultimately led to a 3-8 season.

[CentennialBison]

Question to the thread. How interested were you in football games when you went to NDSU? I attended 1984-1988. Bentrim, Stock Year dynasty. Went to 1 game in 3 falls. Later living in Denver, went to two NDSU games in Greeley, and a couple of games at St. Cloud while living in St. Cloud.

Had season tickets going back to the early Bohl Years.

Point being, I go to the games now, would add a couple of more tickets if available, but had very little interest in NDSU while in college.

Averaged about 4 home games a season.

[td577]

Well, it probably contributed but in reality Bohl’s inability to recruit a QB led to the 3-8 season. He went two consecutive years without signing a QB. At those press conferences the first year he said that they couldn’t put that much scholarship money into one position, the second year he said there were NO Division I QBs in their recruiting area, which was across 8-9 states. It was pure bullshit. The lack of an effective QB group that could compete with each other for the starting job is what ultimately led to a 3-8 season.The QB group that season was about reason #19 for the dismal season. This horse really is dead but it is kind of frustrating when when people want to revise history. There are already some very good discussions out there about the reasons. It is also pretty well thought out if there was any other AD on the planet here, Bohl would have not seen the next season. No sort of money would have fixed all of that.

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[unbison]

Well, it probably contributed but in reality Bohl’s inability to recruit a QB led to the 3-8 season. He went two consecutive years without signing a QB. At those press conferences the first year he said that they couldn’t put that much scholarship money into one position, the second year he said there were NO Division I QBs in their recruiting area, which was across 8-9 states. It was pure bullshit. The lack of an effective QB group that could compete with each other for the starting job is what ultimately led to a 3-8 season.
Ok your one of the guys that blamed mertens for the loss in Wyoming when wuzindropper and butterhands quist couldn’t catch a cold... and for sure when we lost at Youngstown giving up almost 600 yards... that teams defense was terrible and the reason they lost get a grip

[aces1180]

Question to the thread. How interested were you in football games when you went to NDSU? I attended 1984-1988. Bentrim, Stock Year dynasty. Went to 1 game in 3 falls. Later living in Denver, went to two NDSU games in Greeley, and a couple of games at St. Cloud while living in St. Cloud.Had season tickets going back to the early Bohl Years. Point being, I go to the games now, would add a couple of more tickets if available, but had very little interest in NDSU while in college.I went to every game unless I had to work.

[gumby013]

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4430092-ndsu-reduces-student-seats-adds-more-season-tickets-football-games

[Bison 4 Life]

I went to every game unless I had to work.

Same. We'd huddle around the back of a SUV with a couple of beers and some hot dogs in the West lot it costs thousands of dollars to be in now. Super low key and nobody cared.

[TransAmBison]

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4430092-ndsu-reduces-student-seats-adds-more-season-tickets-football-gamesStudents have not had that section since the dome opened...Kolpack didn't do his research...

[Bison"FANatic"]

Students have not had that section since the dome opened...Kolpack didn't do his research...

Student Government fought very hard for those seats if I remember correctly. Didn't it get a little nasty and even the threat of withholding student fees from athletics?

[Bison 4 Life]

Student Government fought very hard for those seats if I remember correctly. Didn't it get a little nasty and even the threat of withholding student fees from athletics?

I don't think they want that fight now. The subsidy is pretty small now compared to what it used to be in the DII days. They could take two more sections and almost cover the whole cost.

[HerdBot]

The QB group that season was about reason #19 for the dismal season. This horse really is dead but it is kind of frustrating when when people want to revise history. There are already some very good discussions out there about the reasons. It is also pretty well thought out if there was any other AD on the planet here, Bohl would have not seen the next season. No sort of money would have fixed all of that.

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Bad recruiting, high attrition, high coaching turnover, huge list. Much of the bad recruiting was due to turnover as new coaches didn't have the pipelines built. 2007-2008 had some good players but super high attrition

[TransAmBison]

Student Government fought very hard for those seats if I remember correctly. Didn't it get a little nasty and even the threat of withholding student fees from athletics?Yeah, I believe that is right. They were fighting for 50 yard line, but dealt for the 35. I understand taking a section away if they aren't filling them up consistently...but taking their best section isn't right either.

[roadwarrior]

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4430092-ndsu-reduces-student-seats-adds-more-season-tickets-football-games

A comprehensive article would include asking Josh exactly how many student tickets were used for each of the nine home games last season.

[IBleedYellow]

Yeah, I believe that is right. They were fighting for 50 yard line, but dealt for the 35. I understand taking a section away if they aren't filling them up consistently...but taking their best section isn't right either.

As a student, Section 16 was the only section worth being in.

Now as an alum, if I can get into Section 16 for less than 2k/year I'm going to be excited about it.

[perthbison]

Has anyone computed the approximate per seat per game cost on these new seats including all fees?

[IBleedYellow]

Has anyone computed the approximate per seat per game cost on these new seats including all fees?

1682 / 7 ~ 240
732/ 7 ~ 104
557 /7 ~ 79

[Hammerhead]

I attended NDSU from 1986 to 1991 and probably went to at least 95% of the home games along with some games when I was still in High school. I bought a pair of season tickets in 1995 when they had some that didn't require you to be a Team Maker and then we moved out of state the next year.


Question to the thread. How interested were you in football games when you went to NDSU? I attended 1984-1988. Bentrim, Stock Year dynasty. Went to 1 game in 3 falls. Later living in Denver, went to two NDSU games in Greeley, and a couple of games at St. Cloud while living in St. Cloud.

Had season tickets going back to the early Bohl Years.

Point being, I go to the games now, would add a couple of more tickets if available, but had very little interest in NDSU while in college.

[Honeybooboo]

I added this in the Teamakers thread also:

Mcfeeley talking about the New Season ticket section, says it BS to take away because the student section is "generally Full"

Starting a controversy where there really isn't one

[Mr Meaty]

I added this in the Teamakers thread also:

Mcfeeley talking about the New Season ticket section, says it BS to take away because the student section is "generally Full"

Starting a controversy where there really isn't one

That is what he does. Click bait on a story and just take the other side of an argument just to be that guy. He is good at it also.

[StL Bison Fan]

I added this in the Teamakers thread also:

Mcfeeley talking about the New Season ticket section, says it BS to take away because the student section is "generally Full"

Starting a controversy where there really isn't one

I don’t like that they are doing it. But I am also a realist and see the upside. They should be able to figure out a way to cram students in their section.
I went to very few football games when I went to college and more basketball games.
Of course I went to Murray State so there was a very good reason.

[ByeSonBusiness]

I don't think they want that fight now. The subsidy is pretty small now compared to what it used to be in the DII days. They could take two more sections and almost cover the whole cost.

That probably wouldn't be a good long term strategy. These are your future donors/season ticket holders. The fewer that build a bond with football games, the fewer that want to attend later.

Taking a section is fine. Just disagree with the section they took.

[Bison 4 Life]

That probably wouldn't be a good long term strategy. These are your future donors/season ticket holders. The fewer that build a bond with football games, the fewer that want to attend later.

Taking a section is fine. Just disagree with the section they took.

It might have been a better strategy to take rows away. I know you don't get much for that but I think a balance between having full sections and keeping that rowdy student atmosphere, which seems to grow the closer you get to the field, could have been struck.

[TransAmBison]

It might have been a better strategy to take rows away. I know you don't get much for that but I think a balance between having full sections and keeping that rowdy student atmosphere, which seems to grow the closer you get to the field, could have been struck.Keeping the first 16 rows for the students would have been good with me.

[IBleedYellow]

https://twitter.com/FGOSPORTSWRITER/status/984104619478528002

"NDSU student body prez on tix: not ideal, but saw it coming with attendance. Plus side, student fee reduced by $100K and students get priority for standing room tix. So net zero in actual loss of tickets available."

Doesn't sound like they seem to bent out of shape.

[Bison 4 Life]

https://twitter.com/FGOSPORTSWRITER/status/984104619478528002

"NDSU student body prez on tix: not ideal, but saw it coming with attendance. Plus side, student fee reduced by $100K and students get priority for standing room tix. So net zero in actual loss of tickets available."

Doesn't sound like they seem to bent out of shape.

I figured there was more to the story. It would have seemed odd to not let SG in on the plan.

[HerdBot]

https://twitter.com/FGOSPORTSWRITER/status/984104619478528002

"NDSU student body prez on tix: not ideal, but saw it coming with attendance. Plus side, student fee reduced by $100K and students get priority for standing room tix. So net zero in actual loss of tickets available."

Doesn't sound like they seem to bent out of shape.

Glad they get priority sro seats. Half leave at halftime anyways and the ones who want to stay can move to the stands at halftime

Less costs for the students and way more money for our football revenue. Cant see any scenario where we don't gain an extra half million in revenue which is needed

[ByeSonBusiness]

Has attendance for students been an issue for the last few years or was last season the first?

[HerdBot]

Has attendance for students been an issue for the last few years or was last season the first?

Early season its awesome. Lake season when it gets cold it drops. Seems like the season ticket holders its opposite

[KNOW IT ALL]

The need for more season tix holders is a reality of today's D1 Sports and the cost of being successful. Ive always thought that the Dome could add some type of rounded seating (total reconfiguration) on both end zones, connected, higher, steeper etc... and ultimately add a few thousand seats. Even an increase of 4K to 4K seats would be big. Seems to be a lot of open space in the four corners.

[DIBISON]

Matt Larson is on Bison 1660 right now talking about the additional season tickets and the reasons for doing this!

[gumby013]

Matt Larson is on Bison 1660 right now talking about the additional season tickets and the reasons for doing this!

On a conference call and unable to listen in. What did he say?

[NDSUstudent]

The need for more season tix holders is a reality of today's D1 Sports and the cost of being successful. Ive always thought that the Dome could add some type of rounded seating (total reconfiguration) on both end zones, connected, higher, steeper etc... and ultimately add a few thousand seats. Even an increase of 4K to 4K seats would be big. Seems to be a lot of open space in the four corners.

Probably hundreds of seats wasted in space that takes up the never used north endzone pressbox.

[IBleedYellow]

On a conference call and unable to listen in. What did he say?

After game 1 or 2 "We've seen a significant decline in students coming to games." "We believe that we've found a balance to be a win-win for both students and potential season ticket holders."

[HerdBot]

Matt Larson is on Bison 1660 right now talking about the additional season tickets and the reasons for doing this!

Here's the podcast
https://soundcloud.com/user-744211984/ndsu-ad-matt-larsen-4-11-18

[BisonTeacher]

@TSCF.... We are a go for operation Annual rejection letter/postcard. Red leader standing by.

[MNLonghorn10]

After game 1 or 2 "We've seen a significant decline in students coming to games." "We believe that we've found a balance to be a win-win for both students and potential season ticket holders."

I dont think it matters between game 1 or 2...or 5 or 6 vs Missouri St or Indiana St...if the halftime score shows Bison are up 42-3 and the other team has 53 total yards and got their only 3 points off a bison fumble deep in NDSU territory, theres other things to do with the rest of your saturdays.

we leave beginning of the 4th if its one of those games. id rather drive home, get home before id be leaving if I had stayed for the whole game...and watch whatever national game is on vs watching it on my phone on a plastic blue seat

[NDSU1980]

I got my letter today. Since those that already have tickets can request to go up to the full allotment of 12 tickets, I'm guessing those are the guys that are going to get 95% of these new tickets. Those guys will have the most points by virtue of them already paying the TM seat fee for the existing tickets.

So, because you already have tickets and could use those seat fees to build up points you will be rewarded with more tickets. Someone didn't really think this through all the way. There probably is no way to be totally fair on this are sure as hell no way to keep everyone happy, but I'd bet this is going to take mega points to get anything.

Anyone got a guess as to how many points this will take? I'm thinking 400 and up, but then what do I know?

What really should happen is limit it to new people and only 4 to an account. Spread the wealth.

[MNLonghorn10]

I got my letter today. Since those that already have tickets can request to go up to the full allotment of 12 tickets, I'm guessing those are the guys that are going to get 95% of these new tickets. Those guys will have the most points by virtue of them already paying the TM seat fee for the existing tickets.

So, because you already have tickets and could use those seat fees to build up points you will be rewarded with more tickets. Someone didn't really think this through all the way. There probably is no way to be totally fair on this are sure as hell no way to keep everyone happy, but I'd bet this is going to take mega points to get anything.

Anyone got a guess as to how many points this will take? I'm thinking 400 and up, but then what do I know?

What really should happen is limit it to new people and only 4 to an account. Spread the wealth.

I threw mine away...waste of ink and a postage stamp for those of us at or near the bottom.

[Bison 4 Life]

I got my letter today. Since those that already have tickets can request to go up to the full allotment of 12 tickets, I'm guessing those are the guys that are going to get 95% of these new tickets. Those guys will have the most points by virtue of them already paying the TM seat fee for the existing tickets.

So, because you already have tickets and could use those seat fees to build up points you will be rewarded with more tickets. Someone didn't really think this through all the way. There probably is no way to be totally fair on this are sure as hell no way to keep everyone happy, but I'd bet this is going to take mega points to get anything.

Anyone got a guess as to how many points this will take? I'm thinking 400 and up, but then what do I know?

What really should happen is limit it to new people and only 4 to an account. Spread the wealth.

They really need to start thinking about the breadth of their support instead of the depth.

[CAS4127]

I got my letter today. Since those that already have tickets can request to go up to the full allotment of 12 tickets, I'm guessing those are the guys that are going to get 95% of these new tickets. Those guys will have the most points by virtue of them already paying the TM seat fee for the existing tickets.

So, because you already have tickets and could use those seat fees to build up points you will be rewarded with more tickets. Someone didn't really think this through all the way. There probably is no way to be totally fair on this are sure as hell no way to keep everyone happy, but I'd bet this is going to take mega points to get anything.

Anyone got a guess as to how many points this will take? I'm thinking 400 and up, but then what do I know?

What really should happen is limit it to new people and only 4 to an account. Spread the wealth.

They should start with those having PPs but no tickets (from high to low in that bunch) and any left should go to current ticket holders—thats what I’d like to see.


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[td577]

I got my letter today. Since those that already have tickets can request to go up to the full allotment of 12 tickets, I'm guessing those are the guys that are going to get 95% of these new tickets. Those guys will have the most points by virtue of them already paying the TM seat fee for the existing tickets.

So, because you already have tickets and could use those seat fees to build up points you will be rewarded with more tickets. Someone didn't really think this through all the way. There probably is no way to be totally fair on this are sure as hell no way to keep everyone happy, but I'd bet this is going to take mega points to get anything.

Anyone got a guess as to how many points this will take? I'm thinking 400 and up, but then what do I know?

What really should happen is limit it to new people and only 4 to an account. Spread the wealth.I don't know what the cutoff should be. 12 seems like a lot though. I would like to go back the dozen years I've been a teammaker and have developed a different strategy. Having a bunch of friends with everyone having their own accounts was stupid.

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[ByeSonBusiness]

I got my letter today. Since those that already have tickets can request to go up to the full allotment of 12 tickets, I'm guessing those are the guys that are going to get 95% of these new tickets. Those guys will have the most points by virtue of them already paying the TM seat fee for the existing tickets.

So, because you already have tickets and could use those seat fees to build up points you will be rewarded with more tickets. Someone didn't really think this through all the way. There probably is no way to be totally fair on this are sure as hell no way to keep everyone happy, but I'd bet this is going to take mega points to get anything.

Anyone got a guess as to how many points this will take? I'm thinking 400 and up, but then what do I know?

What really should happen is limit it to new people and only 4 to an account. Spread the wealth.

That's idiotic. Should start with the folks that don't have tickets.

[56BISON73]

I got my letter today. Since those that already have tickets can request to go up to the full allotment of 12 tickets, I'm guessing those are the guys that are going to get 95% of these new tickets. Those guys will have the most points by virtue of them already paying the TM seat fee for the existing tickets.

So, because you already have tickets and could use those seat fees to build up points you will be rewarded with more tickets. Someone didn't really think this through all the way. There probably is no way to be totally fair on this are sure as hell no way to keep everyone happy, but I'd bet this is going to take mega points to get anything.

Anyone got a guess as to how many points this will take? I'm thinking 400 and up, but then what do I know?

What really should happen is limit it to new people and only 4 to an account. Spread the wealth.

Alot of those people already have 12 tickets. Plus I dont think many will be as piggy as you think. I know people who are only going to request 2 more because they wanted others to have a shot at tickets. But 567 tickets isnt really that many to start with.

[Bison"FANatic"]

I would like to see them award the teammakers that either received last year or requested this year single game tickets. They have been giving for a chance like this and they should now be rewarded. Plus it then shows others that giving something is rewarded when seats become available and will bring in the next group of people that are not donating to donate some if anything becomes available in the future.

I also suspect if they go by total priority points there will be some of the full and partial scholly people move to cheaper seats as they have been increased a lot and some are pushing their limits but were stuck as nothing else was available.

[gumby013]

I would like to see them award the teammakers that either received last year or requested this year single game tickets. They have been giving for a chance like this and they should now be rewarded. Plus it then shows others that giving something is rewarded when seats become available and will bring in the next group of people that are not donating to donate some if anything becomes available in the future.

I also suspect if they go by total priority points there will be some of the full and partial scholly people move to cheaper seats as they have been increased a lot and some are pushing their limits but were stuck as nothing else was available.

I think this one section is likely to cause a lot of churn in the current seating. People upgrading to this section, opening up their old seats...and so on down the line.

[imabison]

I think this one section is likely to cause a lot of churn in the current seating. People upgrading to this section, opening up their old seats...and so on down the line.

Without the tax benefit, there could be a downturn in seats previously requested also.

[56BISON73]

I think this one section is likely to cause a lot of churn in the current seating. People upgrading to this section, opening up their old seats...and so on down the line.

Thats why they will call you at an appointed time to talk about seating opportunities.

[bisonaudit]

Minor loss for students, sounds like they weren’t claiming all the seats all the time anyway, their expressed priority was money and they are getting a small reduction in fees. Big win for athletic department. Basically locking in another 500k annually without increasing volatility in revenue streams.

With tax changes, and price increases at the top and high demand to get in the building, I agree this creates opportunity for both upgrades and downgrades as well as new season ticket holders.

I think I missed one home game in 5 years while at school so part of me thinks it’s unfortunate there are fewer student seats but on the other hand this lines up with the priorities expressed by their leaders. seems mostly good all the way around.

[IBleedYellow]

I got my letter today. Since those that already have tickets can request to go up to the full allotment of 12 tickets, I'm guessing those are the guys that are going to get 95% of these new tickets. Those guys will have the most points by virtue of them already paying the TM seat fee for the existing tickets.

So, because you already have tickets and could use those seat fees to build up points you will be rewarded with more tickets. Someone didn't really think this through all the way. There probably is no way to be totally fair on this are sure as hell no way to keep everyone happy, but I'd bet this is going to take mega points to get anything.

Anyone got a guess as to how many points this will take? I'm thinking 400 and up, but then what do I know?

What really should happen is limit it to new people and only 4 to an account. Spread the wealth.The ones with high points are at high ticket counts already.

I'm guessing 280 points gives you a shot at some of these.

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[Bison03]

I dont think a lot of people will be getting 12 at a time. You would be incresing your payment with 12 additional seats by a minimum of $6,624 and a maximum of $20,184. I mean, I guess there people that have that kinda cash burning a hole in their pocket but likely people will get fewer.

[perthbison]

I dont think a lot of people will be getting 12 at a time. You would be incresing your payment with 12 additional seats by a minimum of $6,624 and a maximum of $20,184. I mean, I guess there people that have that kinda cash burning a hole in their pocket but likely people will get fewer.

As has been mentioned, the lack of a tax deduction might factor in too

[56BISON73]

As has been mentioned, the lack of a tax deduction might factor in too

If the tax deduction is a factor then those folks would have been advised to pay their TM obligation in 2017 for the 2018 year. It might not be a factor till next year.

Plus how many people out of the season tix holders does that decision come to the for thought?

[bisonaudit]

If the tax deduction is a factor then those folks would have been advised to pay their TM obligation in 2017 for the 2018 year. It might not be a factor till next year.

Plus how many people out of the season tix holders does that decision come to the for thought?

Well, at a minimum it’s a reality for these 570 odd new seats. And even if you paid for 18 before Jan 1 you know what’s coming next year and here’s a chance to make an adjustment if that is what you want to do.

[bisonfanette]

I think this one section is likely to cause a lot of churn in the current seating. People upgrading to this section, opening up their old seats...and so on down the line.

I think there will be a fair share of season ticket holder‘s who may request to move to lower rows. It will all depend on their # if p pts.

[bisonfanette]

Keeping the first 16 rows for the students would have been good with me.

I really agree with this. But then I’m a mom of the kid with friends who stand in line for hours before the football games! Yes those student still exist .... hours & hours to try to get those lower row seats!

[Bison bison]

Taxes are for chumps!

[Grizzled]

I really agree with this. But then I’m a mom of the kid with friends who stand in line for hours before the football games! Yes those student still exist .... hours & hours to try to get those lower row seats!

I agree with this. I have a nephew that is the same as above. Pretty upset with this. Him and his buddies won't stop coming to games but this is kind of a kick in the nuts to some of the students who are regulars to all games. I'm a little torn on it, understand the move but it definitely could have been communicated a little better.

[wagsabison]

I agree with this. I have a nephew that is the same as above. Pretty upset with this. Him and his buddies won't stop coming to games but this is kind of a kick in the nuts to some of the students who are regulars to all games. I'm a little torn on it, understand the move but it definitely could have been communicated a little better.

Those are the students most affected, not the students who just show up for the social aspect or don't go at all. Unfortunate and I think they should have worked with the students a little.

[Mr Meaty]

Those are the students most affected, not the students who just show up for the social aspect or don't go at all. Unfortunate and I think they should have worked with the students a little.

The AD worked with the student government body on this. What do you want a UND committee? They still have more than enoigh seat. The avid student fan will still have better seats than me.

[td577]

Those are the students most affected, not the students who just show up for the social aspect or don't go at all. Unfortunate and I think they should have worked with the students a little.Did you not read everything so far? They did work with the students. Student fees were negotiated, SRO was negotiated, and for a student body who does not consistently show up, they were very well taken care of. In terms of total numbers, not a single loss for the students.

I am all about the students when it comes to college events, but this is a win/win. Not only was this communicated with the students, the students participated in this every step of the way.

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[wagsabison]

Did you not read everything so far? They did work with the students. Student fees were negotiated, SRO was negotiated, and for a student body who does not consistently show up, they were very well taken care of. In terms of total numbers, not a single loss for the students.

I am all about the students when it comes to college events, but this is a win/win. Not only was this communicated with the students, the students participated in this every step of the way.

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I did a pretty poor job apparently :)

I just meant in regards to having some of the lower rows for the students that do show up early and wait in line for hours to get good seats.

[scottietohottie]

Tis the season to donate.

[TransAmBison]

Did you not read everything so far? They did work with the students. Student fees were negotiated, SRO was negotiated, and for a student body who does not consistently show up, they were very well taken care of. In terms of total numbers, not a single loss for the students.

I am all about the students when it comes to college events, but this is a win/win. Not only was this communicated with the students, the students participated in this every step of the way.

Sent from my SM-G960U using TapatalkThis is a win/win? Talk about blinders. In no way is this a win for the students. How much do you think that 100k changes the per semester fee to an individual student? My guess is $3. As somebody who occupied the lower rows of section 16 throughout college, this is a huge loss to the students...the rabid ones...the important ones. Student government "participated" yes...but to think they had any power in those negotiations is silly. I understand the different sides on this...but to say this is a win for the students irritates me.

[unbison]

This is a win/win? Talk about blinders. In no way is this a win for the students. How much do you think that 100k changes the per semester fee to an individual student? My guess is $3. As somebody who occupied the lower rows of section 16 throughout college, this is a huge loss to the students...the rabid ones...the important ones. Student government "participated" yes...but to think they had any power in those negotiations is silly. I understand the different sides on this...but to say this is a win for the students irritates me.
People are self serving if you had not noticed .... if these people still don’t get season tickets watch them say how terrible it was for students

[TransAmBison]

People are self serving if you had not noticed .... if these people still don’t get season tickets watch them say how terrible it was for studentsSo much truth there. I understand people wanting tickets...but the comment that it was a win/win just blows my mind. Funny how people can justify things.

Now td577 please don't take this as a personal attack. You are good guy...never would say otherwise. My comment was in response to you...but my response was to the overall opinion.

[IBleedYellow]

I won't go so far as to say it was a great deal for the students, but I won't say it was a bad deal, either.

If anything this is a great deal for Teammakers because I can only imagine the amount of meetings, emails and calls that Pat and others had to have on a monthly basis from donors who are giving large amounts of $$$$ each year without even really getting anything more than single game tickets.

Something had to give to attempt to appease those donors - this hopefully accomplishes that.

The students losing their prime section sucks....but they still can be right next door to it.

[Bison bison]

Would have preferred that the students been able to keep the better seats. Rush seating is ok would also like to see them investigate ticketing the student section.

[TransAmBison]

I won't go so far as to say it was a great deal for the students, but I won't say it was a bad deal, either.

If anything this is a great deal for Teammakers because I can only imagine the amount of meetings, emails and calls that Pat and others had to have on a monthly basis from donors who are giving large amounts of $$$$ each year without even really getting anything more than single game tickets.

Something had to give to attempt to appease those donors - this hopefully accomplishes that.

The students losing their prime section sucks....but they still can be right next door to it.That would be like saying you can't have your dream car, but you can park next to it.

For what it's worth, I emailed Matt Larsen asking him to reconsider the lower 16 rows staying with the students. I know it will do no good...but at least I did something rather than just complaining on here. I probably should have called. :)

[CyPanth]

Has attendance for students been an issue for the last few years or was last season the first?


It seems like there are 3 main factors in getting student attendance:

1. A good product. Check.
2. Peer pressure (having a critical mass of students going). Check.
3. Limited supply (having a risk that you will miss out). Check.

Seems like you have had #1 and #2, but now you have #3.

[RedRiver]

This is a win/win? Talk about blinders. In no way is this a win for the students. How much do you think that 100k changes the per semester fee to an individual student? My guess is $3. As somebody who occupied the lower rows of section 16 throughout college, this is a huge loss to the students...the rabid ones...the important ones. Student government "participated" yes...but to think they had any power in those negotiations is silly. I understand the different sides on this...but to say this is a win for the students irritates me.

The students have no one to blame but their own student government. They agreed to this so from the outside it looks like it should be a win for the students.

[CyPanth]

Alot of those people already have 12 tickets. Plus I dont think many will be as piggy as you think. I know people who are only going to request 2 more because they wanted others to have a shot at tickets. But 567 tickets isnt really that many to start with.

Is there much of a scalper mentality among season ticket holders, especially the top ones? Maybe it isn't so much to maximize profits, but to barter among themselves (or through the Ticket Office) in order to get more tickets to certain games (and dispose of tickets for other games)?

[unbison]

Alot of those people already have 12 tickets. Plus I dont think many will be as piggy as you think. I know people who are only going to request 2 more because they wanted others to have a shot at tickets. But 567 tickets isnt really that many to start with.

I would love to see non ticket holders have some sort of priority as I believe with my priority points I would be in the mix for some good tickets.... I am however fully aware that people who have been givien more will get and deserve their first dibs at these

[td577]

This is a win/win? Talk about blinders. In no way is this a win for the students. How much do you think that 100k changes the per semester fee to an individual student? My guess is $3. As somebody who occupied the lower rows of section 16 throughout college, this is a huge loss to the students...the rabid ones...the important ones. Student government "participated" yes...but to think they had any power in those negotiations is silly. I understand the different sides on this...but to say this is a win for the students irritates me.It is difficult to have leverage when 90% of the time there is 75% blue in that area of the dome. Yet, the students did not lose a single ticket. We all want a better student/ athlete experience and this is a serious financial boost and it is immediate.

I was a team maker when I was a graduate student because I wanted to know where I was sitting every Saturday. While the demand for season tickets have increased every year since I have joined, the student turnout has been very consistent. They have spoken in numerous ways.

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[Mr Meaty]

This is a win/win? Talk about blinders. In no way is this a win for the students. How much do you think that 100k changes the per semester fee to an individual student? My guess is $3. As somebody who occupied the lower rows of section 16 throughout college, this is a huge loss to the students...the rabid ones...the important ones. Student government "participated" yes...but to think they had any power in those negotiations is silly. I understand the different sides on this...but to say this is a win for the students irritates me.

If people remember back when Bohl was here, the students begged for more tickets for homecoming because there was not enough. Bohl said you come to every game and not just homecoming and you get your tickets. The students came and they got their tickets and sections. Well now students for whatever reason are not coming to the games as they once did. Yes the rabid students are still there and add get to the game. You are probably right on the small amount it changes each student for fees paid. I guess to me to that we are still have the lowest fees from students in both the Summit and MVFC. Maybe the students should have voted in the increase in fees the school was looking for and they would have their seats. And most likely still be one of the lowest fees paid vs our conference mates.

[Bison bison]

That would be like saying you can't have your dream car, but you can park next to it.

For what it's worth, I emailed Matt Larsen asking him to reconsider the lower 16 rows staying with the students. I know it will do no good...but at least I did something rather than just complaining on here. I probably should have called. :)

Would have liked to see that.

This is a bit of a bullshit grab as they took the good seats.

[TransAmBison]

It is difficult to have leverage when 90% of the time there is 75% blue in that area of the dome. Yet, the students did not lose a single ticket. We all want a better student/ athlete experience and this is a serious financial boost and it is immediate.

I was a team maker when I was a graduate student because I wanted to know where I was sitting every Saturday. While the demand for season tickets have increased every year since I have joined, the student turnout has been very consistent. They have spoken in numerous ways.

Sent from my SM-G960U using TapatalkWhy do I think your percentages are pulled out of thin air? :) Sounds like Black Panther. :) Again...not arguing that ticket situation couldn't be altered...just saying the lower section of 16 was the best in the dome and was full of rabid fans. They are getting screwed.

[TransAmBison]

Would have liked to see that.

This is a bit of a bullshit grab as they took the good seats.EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like student gov't had any real choice. Some here say they agreed so it is a win. You think they had a real choice in this deal?

[bisonaudit]

Would have liked to see that.

This is a bit of a bullshit grab as they took the good seats.

Of course they took the good seats. They didn’t want to give that section to students in the first place. They sure as hell weren’t going to hand back $100,000 for an endzone section. And this provides options at multiple price points for both new subscribers and existing looking for upward or downward mobility after years of 99+ percent renewal rates.

[Professor Chaos]

The students have no one to blame but their own student government. They agreed to this so from the outside it looks like it should be a win for the students.
Unless I heard incorrectly the students had their chance to keep section 16 but voted down the increase to athletic fee the NDSU AD said it would require. I believe the students are still sitting on $1.3M worth of tickets for football which is roughly the amount of revenue they contribute to the athletic budget I believe. Money talks in today's D1 athletics landscape.

[CAS4127]

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like student gov't had any real choice. Some here say they agreed so it is a win. You think they had a real choice in this deal?

SB Prez was just on with Gaptooth. Gap didn’t get answer he was looking for—>students aren’t upset.

Math—>neither should you be then.


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[bisonaudit]

Unless I heard incorrectly the students had their chance to keep section 16 but voted down the increase to athletic fee the NDSU AD said it would require. I believe the students are still sitting on $1.3M worth of tickets for football which is roughly the amount of revenue they contribute to the athletic budget I believe. Money talks in today's D1 athletics landscape.

Not sure it was as explicit as that when the vote was taken.

student section seats are about $1.1 million now (my calculation) while contribution to athletics will be $1.36 per Forum story.

[aces1180]

I think section 10 would have been just fine to offer up as season tickets vs. section 16. But the band is in 11, so maybe that was a factor?

[Son of a Bison]

I like everyone having a chance at new tickets. For every priority point 1 ball into hopper. Pull out balls til seats filled.

[bisonaudit]

I like everyone having a chance at new tickets. For every priority point 1 ball into hopper. Pull out balls til seats filled.

I volunteer as tribute.

[TransAmBison]

SB Prez was just on with Gaptooth. Gap didn’t get answer he was looking for—>students aren’t upset.

Math—>neither should you be then.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIf the students aren't upset then I have no issue. I may find the students beyond pathetic if that is their view...but that is for another conversation...

[bisonfanette]

I did a pretty poor job apparently :)
I just meant in regards to having some of the lower rows for the students that do show up early and wait in line for hours to get good seats.

I agree. Keeping a few rows for students in lower rows, esp in section 16 behind the opposing team, would have been a great idea! (Rather than the knitters & .....) :facepalm:
(The students I know are excellent BISON fans... wouldn't miss a game for anything.)

[BisBison]

I agree. Keeping a few rows for students in lower rows, esp in section 16 behind the opposing team, would have been a great idea! (Rather than the knitters & .....) :facepalm:
(The students I know are excellent BISON fans... wouldn't miss a game for anything.)

While I agree with you on keeping the students below the suite level in section 16 for the sake of game atmosphere, consider this. That part of the section contains 6 rows X 20 seats per row = 120 seats. Required donation each seat in that section is $1,375, add the season ticket price of $307 yields $208,840/yr to the athletic department. No small change especially when you consider the student government has dropped their payment to NDSU Athletics by $100,000 per the new agreement. We now have the smallest student/institution payment to athletics in both the Summit and the MVFC. (And by a bunch). I know it shouldn't be all about the money, but in reality, it is about the money. Football pays the bills here and if we want to continue our success we've got to raise more money. Kudos to the AD and the Student Government for working out this deal.

[Bison bison]

If the students aren't upset then I have no issue. I may find the students beyond pathetic if that is their view...but that is for another conversation...

Is this rhetorical? I've been thinking about starting a kids these days thread.

[Bisonator98]

It's been said before but the bottom line is the AD went to the students and asked for an increase to student fees. They declined and thus this deal was struck. The fact is the money has to come from somewhere and the students said "not from us" hence they lose seats. If the students wanted to keep their seats they should have voted for the student fee increase. It wasn't that important to them. It's pretty damn simple and straight forward.

[Herd Mentality]

If anything this is a great deal for Teammakers because I can only imagine the amount of meetings, emails and calls that Pat and others had to have on a monthly basis from donors who are giving large amounts of $$$$ each year without even really getting anything more than single game tickets.



I don't really buy that. I've known people that all of the sudden have season tickets in the last few years. I don't think corporate sponsors are able to get large blocks (12) of tickets, but if you're looking for a pair and you have the $$$, you can get them.

[THEsocalledfan]

Some thoughts:

1. People keep implying, likely NOT intentionally, that the students voting down an activity fee increase was bad since they pay less than other valley and Summit schools. I am not sure what planet folks people are from, but in my world that is something to be proud of and a big reason I recommend NDSU. (It should NOT be the students job to subsidize athletics; see USD for a horrible example of that.)
2. I've said for years the way to work this out is to sell more of the student seats and this is exactly what they are doing. (I had said give them until Wednesday each week, then sell what is left.) I also said the students should demand a cut of that action, and that is exactly what they got.

So this was a very well thought out win/win for all. Heck, say I was going to school now and always sitting in the prime sec 16 tickets every game like I did in the olden days. While I would not be entirely happy, my student fees would be going down and I know my only penalty is moving over one section. Deals don't get much better than that. Plus, NDSU made me proud by further lowering an already relatively low activity fee. Great work Mr. Larson. I've been critical on many issues, but this sure will not be one of them!

[Bison"FANatic"]

Some thoughts:

1. People keep implying, likely NOT intentionally, that the students voting down an activity fee increase was bad since they pay less than other valley and Summit schools. I am not sure what planet folks people are from, but in my world that is something to be proud of and a big reason I recommend NDSU. (It should NOT be the students job to subsidize athletics; see USD for a horrible example of that.)
2. I've said for years the way to work this out is to sell more of the student seats and this is exactly what they are doing. (I had said give them until Wednesday each week, then sell what is left.) I also said the students should demand a cut of that action, and that is exactly what they got.

So this was a very well thought out win/win for all. Heck, say I was going to school now and always sitting in the prime sec 16 tickets every game like I did in the olden days. While I would not be entirely happy, my student fees would be going down and I know my only penalty is moving over one section. Deals don't get much better than that. Plus, NDSU made me proud by further lowering an already relatively low activity fee. Great work Mr. Larson. I've been critical on many issues, but this sure will not be one of them!


So you are now off of "no tickets for you" probation. What on earth are we going to have to give you crap about now????????


I do agree this was done well and should make the Athletic department better. The timing was right as the usage of the seats was down by students and demand was still high for those seats. This is a once in a decade chance for people to move around a bit en mass. It is going to quite a bit of work for the department but will work out.

[THEsocalledfan]

So you are now off of "no tickets for you" probation. What on earth are we going to have to give you crap about now????????

Ye have little faith. As of this hour, I still do not have season tickets, and my current PP ranking is #1620 and couple that with current holder expanding and gobbling up the seats, I am very confident I will be shut out. So, the fun for you should continue....

[Bison"FANatic"]

Ye have little faith. As of this hour, I still do not have season tickets, and my current PP ranking is #1620 and couple that with current holder expanding and gobbling up the seats, I am very confident I will be shut out. So, the fun for you should continue....

NOOOOOOOOOO We need you to get tickets you have done your penance!!!!!!!

[THEsocalledfan]

NOOOOOOOOOO We need you to get tickets you have done your penance!!!!!!!

Well, if I do get them, you can make fun all of my typos!

[Herd Mentality]

Ye have little faith. As of this hour, I still do not have season tickets, and my current PP ranking is #1620 and couple that with current holder expanding and gobbling up the seats, I am very confident I will be shut out. So, the fun for you should continue....

Simple. Convince those milk drinkers in section 21 that it is time to move over to 16 in the big boy seats.

Trickle-down season tickets.

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

Question to the thread. How interested were you in football games when you went to NDSU? I attended 1984-1988. Bentrim, Stock Year dynasty. Went to 1 game in 3 falls. Later living in Denver, went to two NDSU games in Greeley, and a couple of games at St. Cloud while living in St. Cloud.

Had season tickets going back to the early Bohl Years.

Point being, I go to the games now, would add a couple of more tickets if available, but had very little interest in NDSU while in college.

Went to SU from '85 - '90. Rarely missed a home season game. Playoffs were different, thought. Usually too dam cold or a blizzard, so I didn't go to as many of those.

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

I'd use the money for other sports. The coaches ndsu football loses currently seems to be about career advancement AND money. 40-50k isn't going to keep a dude here that wants an opportunity at a coordinator job somewhere solid or a position coach spot at a good place.

Could be wrong though.

Screw the other sports. Why should football subsidize the other sports. They should bring in their own revenue.

[Bison Loaf]

NOOOOOOOOOO We need you to get tickets you have done your penance!!!!!!!

Well, he hasn't taken care of all that nasty General Admission Tailgating Lot shrinkage yet, so there is that.

Also, I doubt if he's done anything about making sure The Foo Fighters don't plan their damn concerts anymore during Bison Football home games.

I don't see how he can expect to get season tickets until these two very basic and simple tasks are completed to our general satisfaction.

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

Ok your one of the guys that blamed mertens for the loss in Wyoming when wuzindropper and butterhands quist couldn’t catch a cold... and for sure when we lost at Youngstown giving up almost 600 yards... that teams defense was terrible and the reason they lost get a grip


LOL. Merten's sucked and cost us plenty of games, including the Wyoming loss.

[Professor Chaos]

Screw the other sports. Why should football subsidize the other sports. They should bring in there own revenue.
Careful, you're starting to sound like a "teh hockies only" fan at UND.

[bajadanny]

LOL. Merten's sucked and cost us plenty of games, including the Wyoming loss.

You're an idiot.

Man, many passes dropped that day, passes on target

[Burrows]

I threw mine away...waste of ink and a postage stamp for those of us at or near the bottom.

Guess my 80 points aren’t enough!


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[KNOW IT ALL]

SEASON TICKETS??? Sit at home in front of a 60 inch TV and drink all the beer you like at a great price, no waiting in line for food or drink. Great view on every play with replays, piss breaks where people actually wash their hands when their done. Did I mention chicken wings and nacho's?

[aces1180]

SEASON TICKETS??? Sit at home in front of a 60 inch TV and drink all the beer you like at a great price, no waiting in line for food or drink. Great view on every play with replays, piss breaks where people actually wash their hands when their done. Did I mention chicken wings and nacho's?

But you have to listen to Timmerman (unless you can sync up with Culhane).

[Mr Meaty]

SEASON TICKETS??? Sit at home in front of a 60 inch TV and drink all the beer you like at a great price, no waiting in line for food or drink. Great view on every play with replays, piss breaks where people actually wash their hands when their done. Did I mention chicken wings and nacho's?

Plus you get Lee Timmerman!!! deep purple

[bisonfanette]

While I agree with you on keeping the students below the suite level in section 16 for the sake of game atmosphere, consider this. That part of the section contains 6 rows X 20 seats per row = 120 seats. Required donation each seat in that section is $1,375, add the season ticket price of $307 yields $208,840/yr to the athletic department. No small change especially when you consider the student government has dropped their payment to NDSU Athletics by $100,000 per the new agreement. We now have the smallest student/institution payment to athletics in both the Summit and the MVFC. (And by a bunch). I know it shouldn't be all about the money, but in reality, it is about the money. Football pays the bills here and if we want to continue our success we've got to raise more money. Kudos to the AD and the Student Government for working out this deal.

I totally understand ... & i’m glad the students will still be sitting in section 10! We love to be next to the young Bison who heckel the opposing team like crazy before the game ... as they should!

[ByeSonBusiness]

Screw the other sports. Why should football subsidize the other sports. They should bring in there own revenue.

Yeah I'm sure women's soccer and the track teams have ample opportunity to roll in the cash. Man.... the softball team, don't even get me started on how better results would bring in thousands of fans.

Football carries the water for other sports at many schools. Nothing wrong with trying to take care of other teams as well.

Lmao.

[thebootfitter]

Screw the other sports. Why should football subsidize the other sports. They should bring in there own revenue.
Ha ha ha! That's pretty funny. Unless you're being sarcastic. Then it's still funny. But not in the same way.

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

Yeah I'm sure women's soccer and the track teams have ample opportunity to roll in the cash. Man.... the softball team, don't even get me started on how better results would bring in thousands of fans.

Football carries the water for other sports at many schools. Nothing wrong with trying to take care of other teams as well.

Lmao.


Ha ha ha! That's pretty funny. Unless you're being sarcastic. Then it's still funny. But not in the same way.

Football brings in the revenue and should be taken care of first and foremost. If we need to increase coaches salaries, it should be done before worrying about other non-revenue sports.

Maybe it's time all universities across the nation start taking a hard look at the all their sports programs in relation to what it is costing the university, state, and students, and start having some serious discussions about dropping those that can't carry their own water. The amount of money that is being poured into non-revenue sports at the collegiate level is ridiculous and is not sustainable.

Quite frankly, I don't give a dam about any sport but football. The same held true when I was a student. If the other sports went away tomorrow, I wouldn't shed a tear and neither would many other people as evidenced by attendance at said events.

[bisonaudit]

So you are now off of "no tickets for you" probation. What on earth are we going to have to give you crap about now????????


I do agree this was done well and should make the Athletic department better. The timing was right as the usage of the seats was down by students and demand was still high for those seats. This is a once in a decade chance for people to move around a bit en mass. It is going to quite a bit of work for the department but will work out.

It’s not that many seats. 5 percent increase, about. Some places the annual churn in season tickets is that high. It’ll be an adjustment for this department but it shouldn’t be a big problem.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Football brings in the revenue and should be taken care of first and foremost. If we need to increase coaches salaries, it should be done before worrying about other non-revenue sports.

Maybe it's time all universities across the nation start taking a hard look at the all their sports programs in relation to what it is costing the university, state, and students, and start having some serious discussions about dropping those that can't carry their own water. The amount of money that is being poured into non-revenue sports at the collegiate level is ridiculous and is not sustainable.

Quite frankly, I don't give a dam about any sport but football. The same held true when I was a student. If the other sports went away tomorrow, I wouldn't shed a tear and neither would many other people as evidenced by attendance at said events.

Three words...Title Nine.

Sports are getting cut everywhere. I only ever went to football and men's basketball games and really wasn't too concerned with the rest. It's not that football shouldn't be the first dog to eat, but there are several other athletic programs that could probably use some of that money in a bigger way than football can.

[Grizzled]

Did you not read everything so far? They did work with the students. Student fees were negotiated, SRO was negotiated, and for a student body who does not consistently show up, they were very well taken care of. In terms of total numbers, not a single loss for the students.

I am all about the students when it comes to college events, but this is a win/win. Not only was this communicated with the students, the students participated in this every step of the way.

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So how much does the $100,000 total lower student fee per student? Students that care about football got a free beer or two at chubs.

[bisonaudit]

So how much does the $100,000 total lower student fee per student? Students that care about football got a free beer or two at chubs.

Students that care about football still get most of their ticket paid for by everybody else.

[Grizzled]

Students that care about football still get most of their ticket paid for by everybody else.

I hear what your saying but disagree. Athletics gets funding from the students. Students pay enough to have prime seating at events.

I wouldn’t want student fees for athletics to go to a vote of the students. In the grand scheme of things they didn’t get much. No one will ever break the $100,000 down to a per student cost. It will always be mentioned as $100,000 back to the students. It sounds better.

[1998braves64]

I hear what your saying but disagree. Athletics gets funding from the students. Students pay enough to have prime seating at events.

I wouldn’t want student fees for athletics to go to a vote of the students. In the grand scheme of things they didn’t get much. No one will ever break the $100,000 down to a per student cost. It will always be mentioned as $100,000 back to the students. It sounds better.$100,000/15,000=$6.66....

Not sure if all students pay but it's not much. Even cut that in half still only $13.

Think they lost section 16 when they asked to expand student section a few years ago. They hadn't done that they may still have it? Guess could have ended up as a swap deal instead.

Sent by my phone on a bullet train from Hillsboro.

[bisonaudit]

I hear what your saying but disagree. Athletics gets funding from the students. Students pay enough to have prime seating at events.

I wouldn’t want student fees for athletics to go to a vote of the students. In the grand scheme of things they didn’t get much. No one will ever break the $100,000 down to a per student cost. It will always be mentioned as $100,000 back to the students. It sounds better.

Collectively, I agree and I’ve said so here repeatedly, the students pay for their seats. However, individually, students who care about football are clearly having their entertainment subsidized by those who do not.

As to whether they should have premium seats. Well they were paying $1.46 million for $1.7 million of seating. They decided that wasn’t a good enough deal, so now they’re paying $1.36 million for $1.1 million of seating. That should give the anti-student fee contingent a bit of runway to keep fees down for a few more years. If that’s not what the students want the government offices are in the Union.

[td577]

So how much does the $100,000 total lower student fee per student? Students that care about football got a free beer or two at chubs.It isn't just the 100k back. It is not losing a single ticket, getting a 100k back, and not getting their fees increased to actually cover the cost of the seats in the first place.

There is always going to be someone displeased no matter which way you go about it. I can't think of a way that maximizes revenue while still leaving the students with the same access that is better than this way.

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[BisonNation11]

Collectively, I agree and I’ve said so here repeatedly, the students pay for their seats. However, individually, students who care about football are clearly having their entertainment subsidized by those who do not.

As to whether they should have premium seats. Well they were paying $1.46 million for $1.7 million of seating. They decided that wasn’t a good enough deal, so now they’re paying $1.36 million for $1.1 million of seating. That should give the anti-student fee contingent a bit of runway to keep fees down for a few more years. If that’s not what the students want the government offices are in the Union.

So this $1.36 million. Is that the total fees paid to the athletic department? If so, doesn't that cover costs of other sports than just football? So in all reality, the price they were paying towards football is much lower than what is being indicated/discussed here?

[aces1180]

So this $1.36 million. Is that the total fees paid to the athletic department? If so, doesn't that cover costs of other sports than just football? So in all reality, the price they were paying towards football is much lower than what is being indicated/discussed here?

Doesn't the activity fee include use of the fitness center, tickets to plays and other non-athletic areas too?

[IBleedYellow]

Ye have little faith. As of this hour, I still do not have season tickets, and my current PP ranking is #1620 and couple that with current holder expanding and gobbling up the seats, I am very confident I will be shut out. So, the fun for you should continue....

How long have you been a TM?

I'm ranked way ahead of you and I've only been donating to TM since 2015.

Put up or shut up. Or would you rather be cheap and just bitch and moan?

[ByeSonBusiness]

It isn't just the 100k back. It is not losing a single ticket, getting a 100k back, and not getting their fees increased to actually cover the cost of the seats in the first place.

There is always going to be someone displeased no matter which way you go about it. I can't think of a way that maximizes revenue while still leaving the students with the same access that is better than this way.

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Why do you keep saying they have the same access and didn't lose tickets?

[Mr Meaty]

Why do you keep saying they have the same access and didn't lose tickets?

I believe he is saying that since the students were not using their previous allotment of tickets and with what they are left with after this change, their "access" to tickets should fit the supply they were currently using. Too make up for any shortfall in a particular game, they get priority to SRO Tickets.

[bisonaudit]

So this $1.36 million. Is that the total fees paid to the athletic department? If so, doesn't that cover costs of other sports than just football? So in all reality, the price they were paying towards football is much lower than what is being indicated/discussed here?

My argument is that it’s roughly correct to put that whole number up against the value of the football seats, because unlike football where ticket demand exceeds supply, the opportunity cost for the athletic department in providing tickets to students for all other events is zero or right next to it.

[abc123]

I hear what your saying but disagree. Athletics gets funding from the students. Students pay enough to have prime seating at events.

I wouldn’t want student fees for athletics to go to a vote of the students. In the grand scheme of things they didn’t get much. No one will ever break the $100,000 down to a per student cost. It will always be mentioned as $100,000 back to the students. It sounds better.

Are the student fees actually reducing by $100,000? Or are the students just paying the athletic department less money and that $100,000 will be available to distribute other places on campus (which isn't a bad thing)? Either way, your point about being a drop in the bucket is accurate, no one is going to notice $6-7/year when they are paying their tuition but I guess they feel they got something out of it.

[Mr. Burgundy]

can you imaging the outrage if the big bad Bison were the tops in student funding in the Summit and Mo Valley as opposed to dead last? Goodness.

[EC8CH]

can you imaging the outrage if the big bad Bison were the tops in student funding in the Summit and Mo Valley as opposed to dead last? Goodness.

Or if they attempted to raise student fees by $6-$7 dollars as opposed to reducing them.

[THEsocalledfan]

can you imaging the outrage if the big bad Bison were the tops in student funding in the Summit and Mo Valley as opposed to dead last? Goodness.

100% spot on, Burgundy. Yet another reason to praise this move, ie keeping big Gap Tooth's yapper shut.

[IBleedYellow]

can you imaging the outrage if the big bad Bison were the tops in student funding in the Summit and Mo Valley as opposed to dead last? Goodness.

The piece that Kolpack posted the other day talking about student fees/etc....That will never get posted about UND by itself. If they post those numbers I can 100% guarantee that NDSU's numbers will be posted (most likely in an incorrect way to reflect poorly on NDSU).

So frustrating seeing the BS that gets spewed out from the reporters about that school up North.


Also, depending upon how you want to look at it, I'd say we are first for the way student subsidies and funding is allocated. The lower the better in my mind.

[tuffenuff]

Is the student funding at UND about the same as NDSU?

[Professor Chaos]

Is the student funding at UND about the same as NDSU?
The numbers are all here: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

In the 2016-2017 academic year student fees at NDSU accounted for $1,419,057 in revenue for the athletic department. At UND it was $3,341,123 so more than double (and with a smaller undergrad enrollment).

Also of note JMU's athletic revenue from student fees was $36,279,395 for the same year (and no that number is not a typo).