Engel, Van Dellen and Kelly Dismissed From Team

[Jay]

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Chris Klieman starts press conference by announcing that Darren Kelley, Henry Van Dellen and Sean Engel have been dismissed from the team for violation of team rules. Dallas Freeman has been suspended for this week’s game vs San Diego.

[THEsocalledfan]

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Chris Klieman starts press conference by announcing that Darren Kelley, Henry Van Dellen and Sean Engel have been dismissed from the team for violation of team rules. Dallas Freeman has been suspended for this week’s game vs San Diego.


Holy smokes.

[Bison 4 Life]

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Chris Klieman starts press conference by announcing that Darren Kelley, Henry Van Dellen and Sean Engel have been dismissed from the team for violation of team rules. Dallas Freeman has been suspended for this week’s game vs San Diego.


Yikes.

Shenanigans are one thing, this has to have been something pretty bad.

[MNLonghorn10]

Yea that's not good

[Kujava23]

Wow---

First of all---great respect for the NO TOLERANCE

other universities would say....suspended indefinitely...than would be let off with a small consequence

I just want to hear the PAUL HARVEY on this one...

[NDSUBowler]

Oh cool...just what this team needs at the start of a playoff run.

I will try to withhold judgement until I hear further, but if they did something dumb to get them kicked off the team, then shame on them for being so selfish.

[Professor Chaos]

Yuck... that can't be good. I'm sure the Forum will be all over the police blotter to get the dirt since I'm guessing Klieman isn't going to elaborate on what specifically they did.

[BisonLaw]

Too bad, lots of potential in Engel and Van Dellen. Really glad we took two QBs in this last class now.

[THEsocalledfan]

Yuck... that can't be good. I'm sure the Forum will be all over the police blotter to get the dirt since I'm guessing Klieman isn't going to elaborate on what specifically they did.

Would not be surprised if on here first.

[thebigund]

Holy smokes.

Don't say smokes.....

[BattleBorn]

Yikes. Anyone have the last depth chart handy?

[Bison 4 Life]

Nobody shows up on any county roster.

[Jay]

Yikes. Anyone have the last depth chart handy?

depth chart.....

8003

[Professor Chaos]

Yikes. Anyone have the last depth chart handy?
Van Dellen and Engel were listed as backups (to Easton and RJ, respectively) on the last depth chart before the Ilinois St game: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOiY2LyUIAAPH-n.jpg

I'm going to guess that with Davis back Van Dellen would've been back to 3rd string QB and seemed like Williams and Cain had been the receivers playing most behind RJ and Shep although Shep isn't guaranteed to be back for this one. WR depth will be the biggest issue this causes especially with Freeman suspended.

[Bison 4 Life]

They are off the official roster. This likely wansn't something that came down today.

[Mr. Burgundy]

Love the zero tolerance. Get on board, or get off. Pretty simple. We have depth for days, we can overcome this stuff, and the ability to recruit like crazy. These 3 are on full rides. They will be, and have been replaced.

[bisonmike2]

Is Engel the tall receiver from Minnesota? Too bad, I had high hopes for him. Anyway, this is exactly why we shouldn't be talking shit about other teams and their issues when it could easily happen to us. Tough to keep 80 kids age 18 to 23 in line 100% of the time.

[BattleBorn]

They are off the official roster. This likely wansn't something that came down today.

So is this something that arose with, "now that Cole is back..."?

[wagsabison]

They must have really done something stupid. Too bad.

[Bison 4 Life]

So is this something that arose with, "now that Cole is back..."?

with 4 people wrapped up in this, it was likely an event that happened over the weekend.


Purely speculating.

[thebigund]

Van Dellen and Engel were listed as backups (to Easton and RJ, respectively) on the last depth chart before the Ilinois St game: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOiY2LyUIAAPH-n.jpg

I'm going to guess that with Davis back Van Dellen would've been back to 3rd string QB and seemed like Williams and Cain had been the receivers playing most behind RJ and Shep although Shep isn't guaranteed to be back for this one. WR depth will be the biggest issue this causes especially with Freeman suspended.
So basically Stick damn sure better stay healthy? Not like he's ever missed a game due to injury but still. That has to affect play calling don't you think?

[BisonLaw]

So basically Stick damn sure better stay healthy? Not like he's ever missed a game due to injury but still. That has to affect play calling don't you think?

Davis should be pretty much ready to go this weekend, I believe.

[gumby013]

Davis should be pretty much ready to go this weekend, I believe.

Davis is listed as the backup on this week's depth chart.

[THEsocalledfan]

So basically Stick damn sure better stay healthy? Not like he's ever missed a game due to injury but still. That has to affect play calling don't you think?

Well, Davis is back. The biggest thing will be Hendricks will still be emergency qb. This does open up the scholies..... Hope they can put to use after early signing or poach a few for early signing.

[bisonforever]

Is Engel the tall receiver from Minnesota? Too bad, I had high hopes for him. Anyway, this is exactly why we shouldn't be talking shit about other teams and their issues when it could easily happen to us. Tough to keep 80 kids age 18 to 23 in line 100% of the time. From what I have heard, Engel has been playing with fire for awhile. Discipline issues has stunted his development.

[DM05]

Love the zero tolerance. Get on board, or get off. Pretty simple. We have depth for days, we can overcome this stuff, and the ability to recruit like crazy. These 3 are on full rides. They will be, and have been replaced.

Exactly. Kelley was a senior so his was off the books anyway, but two more spots just opened up in either this or next year's monster recruiting classes.

Even that punter a couple years back didn't get dismissed outright when he was stealing from cars.....must be something really, really dumb.

[tony]

Exactly. Kelley was a senior so his was off the books anyway, but two more spots just opened up in either this or next year's monster recruiting classes.

Even that punter a couple years back didn't get dismissed outright when he was stealing from cars.....must be something really, really dumb.

Different coaching staff, right? I don't even know what incident you are referring to though.

[Professor Chaos]

In other news... Bo Pelini and Brock Spack have just scheduled emergency trips to Fargo.

[wisco4]

[QUOTE=Bison 4 Life;1243043]with 4 people wrapped up in this, it was likely an event that happened over the weekend.


Purely speculating.[/

Nope and I understand Freeman not connected with other 3 if that makes sense.

[Dubbsy]

with 4 people wrapped up in this, it was likely an event that happened over the weekend.


Purely speculating.

Sounded like it was effective last Monday - something at Illinois State maybe?

[Dubbsy]

Different coaching staff, right? I don't even know what incident you are referring to though.

http://www.inforum.com/sports/3813252-bison-suspend-freshman-punter-indefinitely-after-early-morning-arrest

[tjbison]

Who cares, they gone. Spray the bad seeds with roundup before they sprout

Good riddance

[Bison 4 Life]

Nope and I understand Freeman not connected with other 3 if that makes sense.

Good. Glad it got addressed.

[aces1180]

So basically Stick damn sure better stay healthy? Not like he's ever missed a game due to injury but still. That has to affect play calling don't you think?

Hotchkiss will dress if needed too...

[Bison 4 Life]

Hotchkiss will dress if needed too...

With Hendricks and Davis, it would have to be bad luck to have that happen.

[THEsocalledfan]

Hotchkiss will dress if needed too...

No way they pull Hotchkiss shirt. I'd use Hendrix before him for sure.

[aces1180]

With Hendricks and Davis, it would have to be bad luck to have that happen.


No way they pull Hotchkiss shirt. I'd use Hendrix before him for sure.

Exactly...but that would be worst case.

Does anyone remember the 2000 DII Quarterfinals against UNO? Stranger things have happened...

[Bisonator98]

Good job by Klieman getting out in front of this and cutting the head off the snake. It's a shame that some of these guys are so stupid.

[wagsabison]

Kind of hurts the QB depth for next year. Stick, Hotchkiss, Hendricks emergency? Doubt they'd pull the redshirt on Lance to be a backup. Nice to have an emergency guy that's not one of your more versatile players on defense.

[El_Chapo]

Failed Drug Test after last game. sorry El Chapo needed some cash for thanksgiving

[Bison 4 Life]

Hotchkiss better get ready if he's the next slotted in backup next year.

[Jay]

Kind of hurts the QB depth for next year. Stick, Hotchkiss, Hendricks emergency? Doubt they'd pull the redshirt on Lance to be a backup. Nice to have an emergency guy that's not one of your more versatile players on defense.

Noah Sanders...

[DIBISON]

Kind of hurts the QB depth for next year. Stick, Hotchkiss, Hendricks emergency? Doubt they'd pull the redshirt on Lance to be a backup. Nice to have an emergency guy that's not one of your more versatile players on defense.

Not really, they'll be good depth, just young. You are forgetting about Sanders who has also been showing good promise.

[wagsabison]

Noah Sanders...

That's right. I was thinking there was another QB in the mix.

[Mr Meaty]

Hate to see this, but you know the rules going in and need to following them.

[wisco4]

From what I have heard, Engel has been playing with fire for awhile. Discipline issues has stunted his development.

I think the three that were dismissed all had previous "issues" while at NDSU, not gonna get three strikes here.

[Jay]

To clear the whispers of something arrest related...

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4365441-three-bison-players-dismissed-team-violation-team-rules-another-suspended-one-game


Fargo police have no record of any of the players being subject to an arrest.

[bisonmike2]

To clear the whispers of something arrest related...

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4365441-three-bison-players-dismissed-team-violation-team-rules-another-suspended-one-game

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That's not even the full quote out of the forum article.


Fargo police have no record of any of the players being subject to an arrest. Trust us. We know. We checked. We even double checked. We had half of our staff down there trying to find dirt on NDSU football. Nothing. Don't worry, we'll keep trying.

[Bisonator98]

Why would they just think Fargo PD?:hide:

[BattleBorn]

To borrow from the Carson Wentz thread, I fear McFooley just had a premature explosion of his own.

[tjbison]

To borrow from the Carson Wentz thread, I fear McFooley just had a premature explosion of his own.

More like Heitkamp and Rob Port

[Bison 4 Life]

Oh I'm sure there will be some Forum column scolding the program for bringing in such reprobates.

[bisonmike2]

Why would they just think Fargo PD?:hide:

Great, now you just made all those poor interns at the Forum work overtime by calling all the police departments in Minnesota.

[wagsabison]

Great, now you just made all those poor interns at the Forum work overtime by calling all the police departments in Minnesota.

They're too busy photo-shopping NDSU crowd images.

[THEsocalledfan]

Probably the biggest impact on QB stuff is what was shaping up to be the story of Spring ball; the race to backup Easton, as they would have had inside track to be next starter.

[DM05]

More like Heitkamp and Rob Port

Yep. Somehow, someway, this is Bresciani's fault. Probably the direct result of a first-class flight.

[KNOW IT ALL]

The little I seen of Engle he couldn't get off blocks and didn't have any explosiveness. Van Dellen looked pretty good from the little we seen but QB has been a heavy signed position of late, 3 NEW Scholarships to offer new look recruits "lets go"!!!!

[KNOW IT ALL]

Yep. Somehow, someway, this is Bresciani's fault. Probably the direct result of a first-class flight.

I heard they were caught selling "ROW THE BOAT" t-shirts and pocketing the funds. The phrase is Trade Marked you know!!!!

[EC8CH]

Thought I heard Coach K say things previously that sounded like Hendrix was next on the depth chart behind Davis anyway.

[tolnabison]

The little I seen of Engle he couldn't get off blocks and didn't have any explosiveness. Van Dellen looked pretty good from the little we seen but QB has been a heavy signed position of late, 3 NEW Scholarships to offer new look recruits "lets go"!!!!

I am sorry, but why would a receiver have to get off blocks? They are the ones blocking. Which he was very good at. Go back and watch Stick’s 80 yard run vs. Youngstown. Engel was leveling guys down field.

[MAKBison]

To clear the whispers of something arrest related...

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4365441-three-bison-players-dismissed-team-violation-team-rules-another-suspended-one-game

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That is much better then the next article: http://www.inforum.com/news/4365465-two-und-students-arrested-after-police-seize-60-pounds-pot-rifle

[Grizzled]

Fargo police may not have anything but if it was on campus it’s private info correct?

[LongLostAlum]

Yuck... that can't be good. I'm sure the Forum will be all over the police blotter to get the dirt since I'm guessing Klieman isn't going to elaborate on what specifically they did.

UVTR is the norm now, "Undisclosed violation of team rules". So unless it filters through the grapevine somewhere, or arrest records, if there are any, this is probably the most elaboration we will have, which is pretty much none at all.

[wagsabison]

That is much better then the next article: http://www.inforum.com/news/4365465-two-und-students-arrested-after-police-seize-60-pounds-pot-rifle

That's crazy, how can a college kid have $70,000 worth of anything?

[bisonmike2]

That is much better then the next article: http://www.inforum.com/news/4365465-two-und-students-arrested-after-police-seize-60-pounds-pot-rifle

$69K in cash! Holy sheet that cost of attendance is really paying off for these student-athletes.

[MAKBison]

That's crazy, how can a college kid have $70,000 worth of anything?

I just skimmed the article but are these the same two arrested a few months back for dealing. If not, dealing must be a degree-granting program up there.

[bisonmike2]

I just skimmed the article but are these the same two arrested a few months back for dealing. If not, dealing must be a degree-granting program up there.

I have a couple of friends that would consider 60 pounds of weed "personal use".

[KNOW IT ALL]

I am sorry, but why would a receiver have to get off blocks? They are the ones blocking. Which he was very good at. Go back and watch Stick’s 80 yard run vs. Youngstown. Engel was leveling guys down field.

I meant to say get off contact (press) at the line of scrimmage. He didn't release well when I was watching him. The same issues the Vikings have with big #11, great talent but cant get off clean and create any space.

[tony]

I am sorry, but why would a receiver have to get off blocks? They are the ones blocking. Which he was very good at. Go back and watch Stick’s 80 yard run vs. Youngstown. Engel was leveling guys down field.

Yeah, Sean Engel did a great job blocking downfield. He probably meant that he couldn't get separation of the line if he was jammed?

Too bad - hate for this to happen.

[goalpost]

I heard they were caught selling "ROW THE BOAT" t-shirts and pocketing the funds. The phrase is Trade Marked you know!!!!

what's row the boat ?
I thought I was in touch with most things but lost here. LOL

[tjbison]

what's row the boat ?
I thought I was in touch with most things but lost here. LOL

PJ Fleck it's his philosophy for motivation R.T.B

[bisonmike2]

what's row the boat ?
I thought I was in touch with most things but lost here. LOL

Just ask any Gopher football fan if they had fun rowing the boat this year. They'll let you know what it is.

[goalpost]

I heard they were caught selling "ROW THE BOAT" t-shirts and pocketing the funds. The phrase is Trade Marked you know!!!!

Never heard of it , ROW THE BOAT is that a MN thing ?

[KTF]

Best of luck to these three young men. Thanks for the contribution to team and hope they take care of whatever issues they maybe facing.

[MAKBison]

everyone always goes right to the legal side of things...maybe was academic, NCAA violation or something like that. Who knows, until someone with some knowledge lets it out will never know. Shoot, I am still under the impression that CW hit a wall and broke his wrist...or is that still not to be talked about???? whatever, I just donate $$$ and stand up on D and watch each week....its not any of my business.

[td577]

If things get really bad, Hendricks will need his own entrance song.

https://youtu.be/jNo3zmhXE9Y

[MAKBison]

If things get really bad, Hendricks will need his own entrance song.

https://youtu.be/jNo3zmhXE9Y

is that individual or is it position specific?

[Bison03]

Glad coach did what he thought was right by dismissing the players and suspending one. Screw up and not realize what it means to be on a football team, and you are out. Simple as that. The team will be stronger in the long run.

[bri-dog]

Never heard of it , ROW THE BOAT is that a MN thing ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/11/19/a-brief-history-of-p-j-flecks-row-the-boat-phenomenon-at-western-michigan/?utm_term=.cbb61adaa699

[VirginiaBison]

Glad coach did what he thought was right by dismissing the players and suspending one. Screw up and not realize what it means to be on a football team, and you are out. Sinple as that. The team will be stronger in the long run. Unless it was rape or murder, Coach K probably asked team leaders for input before the decision.

[KINGRANCH]

Probably not

[jcdcubs]

Sets up Holden Hotchkiss pretty nicely. Or Trey Lance. Also opens up two now scholarships for next year.

[VirginiaBison]

Well its national news now; https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/3-north-dakota-st-football-players-dismissed-from-team/2017/11/27/be74c9bc-d3c5-11e7-9ad9-ca0619edfa05_story.html

I hope whatever they did was worth it, because they are going to have their pictures plastered all over sports news.

http://www.oaoa.com/news/us_news/article_1ac3d757-8bcf-521f-a275-53a3944560ee.html

https://trendbetting.com/3-north-dakota-st-football-players-dismissed-from-team/#.WhydGhFe6po

And these are just the early returns......

[Bison 4 Life]

Well its national news now; https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/3-north-dakota-st-football-players-dismissed-from-team/2017/11/27/be74c9bc-d3c5-11e7-9ad9-ca0619edfa05_story.html

picked up by AP, not like it's going to be an enormous story. Everybody will just reprint that. It's not like the WP is reporting on it originally.

[CaBisonFan]

Well its national news now; https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/3-north-dakota-st-football-players-dismissed-from-team/2017/11/27/be74c9bc-d3c5-11e7-9ad9-ca0619edfa05_story.htmlNot surprising I guess. We're in the big-time in many respects.

[td577]

picked up by AP, not like it's going to be an enormous story. Everybody will just reprint that. It's not like the WP is reporting on it originally.

I don't think the WP has reported an original story since the early 70s.

[VirginiaBison]

picked up by AP, not like it's going to be an enormous story. Everybody will just reprint that. It's not like the WP is reporting on it originally.

True, might be considered Fake News coming from the WaPo, but watch Mike and Mike or CowHerd to see if it has legs.

[MAKBison]

It was nice of CK to give them a week to adjust before announcing to the J&JP

[Mr Meaty]

True, might be considered Fake News coming from the WaPo, but watch Mike and Mike or CowHerd to see if it has legs.

Mike and Mike are done it is now Golic and Wingo. This story is DOA

[Bison 4 Life]

True, might be considered Fake News coming from the WaPo, but watch Mike and Mike or CowHerd to see if it has legs.

it absolutely will not be discussed by any major outlets

[scbison91]

Well its national news now; https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/3-north-dakota-st-football-players-dismissed-from-team/2017/11/27/be74c9bc-d3c5-11e7-9ad9-ca0619edfa05_story.html

I hope whatever they did was worth it, because they are going to have their pictures plastered all over sports news.

http://www.oaoa.com/news/us_news/article_1ac3d757-8bcf-521f-a275-53a3944560ee.html

https://trendbetting.com/3-north-dakota-st-football-players-dismissed-from-team/#.WhydGhFe6po AP story is probably JeffKolpack's brother

And these are just the early returns...... AP story is probably Jeff Kolpack's brother

[VirginiaBison]

Mike and Mike are done it is now Golic and Wingo. This story is DOA I knew the show was over, just not the date. M&M would have been all over this just like they were when CW was selected #2 in the draft, but Golic and Wingo are clueless on FCS stuff. Yep, they kids may have lucked out and it's DOA with all the fake news no prep talking heads now populating today's sports shows.

[Mr Meaty]

I knew the show was over, just not the date. M&M would have been all over this just like they were when CW was selected #2 in the draft, but Golic and Wingo are clueless on FCS stuff. Yep, they kids may have lucked out and it's DOA with all the fake news no prep talking heads now populating today's sports shows.

Today was the first show of Golic and Wingo

[MAKBison]

AP story is probably Jeff Kolpack's brother

Funny was thinking it was Dave as well

[Portlandbison]

You really think 3 players, that the average ndsu fan couldn't name, being dismissed from the team would be national news, and worthy of national radio discussion?

Lets leave being delusional to our friends in dinkytown and that hockey school up north.

[Mr Meaty]

Any bets this is lead story on KVLY?

[tjbison]

You really think 3 players, that the average ndsu fan couldn't name, being dismissed from the team would be national news, and worthy of national radio discussion?

Lets leave being delusional to our friends in dinkytown and that hockey school up north.

Yeah no shit, wtf

[bisonaudit]

You really think 3 players, that the average ndsu fan couldn't name, being dismissed from the team would be national news, and worthy of national radio discussion?

Lets leave being delusional to our friends in dinkytown and that hockey school up north.

Yeah, well the people who seem concerned about it also seem to think that Marty Baron is some kind of hack, but actually he’s on the short list of best newspaper editors in history. So I'm not sure I’d trust their assessment of this story.

[A1pigskin]

Very interesting Watson.

[VirginiaBison]

I think Bisonville gets more views from the major sports talking heads staffers many may suspect. We had a discussion on here a couple of years ago about the role of coaches preparing players for the NFL vs just winning the next game. A day later started a two day discussion on M&M about the role of college coaches.

[MAKBison]

I think Bisonville gets more views from the major sports talking heads staffers many may suspect. We had a discussion on here a couple of years ago about the role of coaches preparing players for the NFL vs just winning the next game. A day later started a two day discussion on M&M about the role of college coaches.

I am sure if your in the business you skim all of the media out there, but the juice is just not worth the squeeze with this story. Look at all the hot piss tests from JMU SDSU UNI etc. and it was a story for about …well it was never a story.

[tjbison]

I think Bisonville gets more views from the major sports talking heads staffers many may suspect. We had a discussion on here a couple of years ago about the role of coaches preparing players for the NFL vs just winning the next game. A day later started a two day discussion on M&M about the role of college coaches.

You serious clark?

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

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Chris Klieman starts press conference by announcing that Darren Kelley, Henry Van Dellen and Sean Engel have been dismissed from the team for violation of team rules. Dallas Freeman has been suspended for this week’s game vs San Diego.



Never heard of them. I'm sure they won't be missed too badly.

[ndsubison1]

Team rules could mean lots of things

[VirginiaBison]

You serious clark? Yep. Just my east coast point of view... you all get more exposure than you think especially now with CW front page news and NDSU Bison fans/banners/signs being high lighted by the networks at every Eagles game.

[Bisonfanatical]

In other news... Bo Pelini and Brock Spack have just scheduled emergency trips to Fargo.Now that there is funny

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[DIBISON]

This wasn't even a news story on the WDAY newscast at 6 pm. Dom covered it during the sports while previewing the upcoming game.

[BisonTru]

I think Bisonville gets more views from the major sports talking heads staffers many may suspect. We had a discussion on here a couple of years ago about the role of coaches preparing players for the NFL vs just winning the next game. A day later started a two day discussion on M&M about the role of college coaches.

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[NDSU1980]

I'd think Bison coaches would be better off coming out and giving a general idea of what the infractions were and get it over with. Ends the speculation which will probably be worse than the actual offense. Fess up, get it over with and move on. We don't need all the down and dirty details, just a general idea and life goes on.

[unbison]

They are gonna do a 30 for 30 on this for sure

[MAKBison]

I'd think Bison coaches would be better off coming out and giving a general idea of what the infractions were and get it over with. Ends the speculation which will probably be worse than the actual offense. Fess up, get it over with and move on. We don't need all the down and dirty details, just a general idea and life goes on.

Might not be able to

[scbison91]

Might not be able to aren't there some privacy issues that doesn't allow them to come out and say what it is?

[tjbison]

I'd think Bison coaches would be better off coming out and giving a general idea of what the infractions were and get it over with. Ends the speculation which will probably be worse than the actual offense. Fess up, get it over with and move on. We don't need all the down and dirty details, just a general idea and life goes on.

why does it matter? they are gone, I bet Sean's Parents are real happy their son threw away a full ride at a top University, Kelly well he has been around the block and Van Dellen guessing he is in the same boat as Sean. They will go play at a D2 or D3 school move on and we will never care. Speculation and having the coaches "fess up" only feeds the appetites on here and the anti NDSU/sports people like Rob Port. after Saturday it will go away. Good timing IMO to release them the playoffs and hopefully a run will make this a short term "headline"

and LOL at the notion national media cares about this subject, it happens daily across the country

[tjbison]

aren't there some privacy issues that doesn't allow them to come out and say what it is?

yes, the coach cant just come on TV and tell the world what they did, just like a doctor cant announce to the world your Health status

unless ive always been told wrong.

[MAKBison]

yes, the coach cant just come on TV and tell the world what they did, just like a doctor cant announce to the world your Health status

unless ive always been told wrong.

i cant even tell a husband what his wife got on a paper or dad what his daughter did.

so to answer.... yeah, the student has protections

[BisonLaw]

why does it matter? they are gone, I bet Sean's Parents are real happy their son threw away a full ride at a top University, Kelly well he has been around the block and Van Dellen guessing he is in the same boat as Sean. They will go play at a D2 or D3 school move on and we will never care. Speculation and having the coaches "fess up" only feeds the appetites on here and the anti NDSU/sports people like Rob Port. after Saturday it will go away. Good timing IMO to release them the playoffs and hopefully a run will make this a short term "headline"

and LOL at the notion national media cares about this subject, it happens daily across the country

This.

10char

[Portlandbison]

I knew the show was over, just not the date. M&M would have been all over this just like they were when CW was selected #2 in the draft, but Golic and Wingo are clueless on FCS stuff. Yep, they kids may have lucked out and it's DOA with all the fake news no prep talking heads now populating today's sports shows.

Fbs top 5 teams have dismissed players in the last month and didnt receive any ESPN talking head attention there is no way in hell you will hear anything about this anywhere on ESPN national radio or tv.

Let this be a lesson for all of us. Friends dont let friends drink and post on bisonville.

[EC8CH]

I expect Rosco to demand a special investigator be set up to get to the bottom of this case.

[Professor Chaos]

why does it matter? they are gone, I bet Sean's Parents are real happy their son threw away a full ride at a top University, Kelly well he has been around the block and Van Dellen guessing he is in the same boat as Sean. They will go play at a D2 or D3 school move on and we will never care. Speculation and having the coaches "fess up" only feeds the appetites on here and the anti NDSU/sports people like Rob Port. after Saturday it will go away. Good timing IMO to release them the playoffs and hopefully a run will make this a short term "headline"

and LOL at the notion national media cares about this subject, it happens daily across the country
I remember Engel had several Ivy League offers as well. Seems like a real smart kid that's kinda gone off the rails away from his support system. Hopefully this is the wake up call he needs to get his priorities straight again. This type of thing can happen to young college kids when they get out on their own for the first time but it doesn't have to define them.

[Alsen]

I am sorry, but why would a receiver have to get off blocks? They are the ones blocking. Which he was very good at. Go back and watch Stick’s 80 yard run vs. Youngstown. Engel was leveling guys down field.

Ya, remember it like it just happened. It was a thing of beauty, watching him outrun the CB and get in front for a dynamite block.

This is an enormous loss. Guys with his skill set and measurables are rare at any level, and pretty much non-existent at the FCS level. He already had everything and more going for him, and he was getting bigger,stronger,and faster.

I'm sure he will quickly find a new home. Yuck!!

[El_Chapo]

NCAA violation, 1 black 24 year old man from Wahpeton Science and 2 white 19 year olds from mpls suburbs.

this isn't too hard to figure out einstein's..

[Binmaster87]

This is from a friends uncles sister in laws grandma . Double drug violation x 3 Single violation x 1 . You make the playoffs what do you think is coming next ???? Weed the dumb out while they are young I guess !!

[TheDynastyContinues]

This is from a friends uncles sister in laws grandma . Double drug violation x 3 Single violation x 1 . You make the playoffs what do you think is coming next ???? Weed the dumb out while they are young I guess !!

Thats quite the connection!

[BisonLaw]

Do they test everyone or is it random testing? If it's random and 4 guys are getting dinged, not a good sign. Weed isn't that good boys.

[GOBISON123]

Hope these kids get a second chance. Kids do some stupid things sometimes, suspending them for a year could be another option instead of expelling them from the program completely.

[Mr Meaty]

Hope these kids get a second chance. Kids do some stupid things sometimes, suspending them for a year could be another option instead of expelling them from the program completely.

Can get a second chance at a D2 School.

[Professor Chaos]

Hope these kids get a second chance. Kids do some stupid things sometimes, suspending them for a year could be another option instead of expelling them from the program completely.
I'd put good money on the fact that they got a very stern warning after their first failed test as in "this is your first and only 2nd chance here.... don't eff it up". To still consider getting high more important than your commitment to the program after that is grounds for dismissal. There's plenty of guys out there who would bust their ass for a football scholarship at NDSU. Give those guys the opportunity over the selfish ones.

I'm fine with them getting a second chance elsewhere and if they do get that chance and excel they'll probably look back at this whole situation in a year or 4 and thank Klieman for doing what he did and giving them a wake up call.

[Facts]

The little I seen of Engle he couldn't get off blocks and didn't have any explosiveness.

I heard it was something like his stance positioning was in the wrong engle.

[NDSU1980]

I'd put good money on the fact that they got a very stern warning after their first failed test. To still consider getting high more important than your commitment to the program after that is grounds for dismissal. There's plenty of guys out there who would bust their ass for a football scholarship at NDSU. Give those guys the opportunity over the selfish ones.

I'm fine with them getting a second chance elsewhere and if they do get that chance and excel they'll probably look back at this whole situation in a year or 4 and thank Klieman for doing what he did and giving them a wake up call.

You nailed it.

[HerdBot]

This is from a friends uncles sister in laws grandma . Double drug violation x 3 Single violation x 1 . You make the playoffs what do you think is coming next ???? Weed the dumb out while they are young I guess !!

I don't have a problem with marijuana but I do have a problem when people think its so important that they are willing to jeopardize their careers and education for it when they know damn well they test for it in the playoffs. Smoke it during the off-season when they don't test.

Just because I am pro weed doesn't mean I don't recognize rules and laws exist with consequences. Young dumb decisions and hopefully they learn from it and make smarter decisions in the future.

Of course we really don't know if that's even why...

[BisonLaw]

I don't have a problem with marijuana but I do have a problem when people think its so important that they are willing to jeopardize their careers and education for it when they know damn well they test for it in the playoffs. Smoke it during the off-season when they don't test.

Just because I am pro weed doesn't mean I don't recognize rules exist with consequences.

Exactly how I feel. College kids are always going to be around weed, but if you want to play college athletics you simply have to abstain. Not that hard. Regardless of whether you agree with the rule, it's still a rule.

[MAKBison]

obviously Mcfeely cannot comprehend simple speak. ck provided a categorical generalization in his statement ....breaking team rules. hey mike that means it is not academic.


mm states....Specifically, I asked whether he could narrow down the reason for the dismissals into a category like “academics” or something else and he responded by saying, “I said we’re not going to talk about it.” KVRR-TV reporter Keith Albertson followed up by asking whether the dismissals and the suspension were related and a slightly agitated Klieman responded by saying, “I said we’re not going to talk about it.”

[BisonFan02]

Coming in season 4 of Last Chance U.......

[MAKBison]

This is from a friends uncles sister in laws grandma . Double drug violation x 3 Single violation x 1 . You make the playoffs what do you think is coming next ???? Weed the dumb out while they are young I guess !!

it sems to me of this is the case then ndsu is gunna be in big trouble cuz those are not the penalties for a failed piss test.

offense for weed is 50% of the season. 2nd is 1 year. just saying your mommas boyfriend, sister is full of shit if they said this was due to popping on multiply tests.

[BisonLaw]

it sems to me of this is the case then ndsu is gunna be in big trouble cuz those are not the penalties for a failed piss test

How many failed piss tests would you suggest is the appropriate amount to dismiss a player?

[MAKBison]

How many failed piss tests would you suggest is the appropriate amount to dismiss a player?

one, but thats not what ncaa says nor what the rumor spreader was saying....which is what i am pointing out.

this cant be due to multiple faild tests.

[HerdBot]

Exactly how I feel. College kids are always going to be around weed, but if you want to play college athletics you simply have to abstain. Not that hard. Regardless of whether you agree with the rule, it's still a rule.

I'm sure there are plenty of players who would love to smoke but they don't because they don't want to let their team down. The players who got kicked off It's kind of an entitled attitude. Hey I'm so important I don't have to follow the same rules and I really don't care about the program or my scholarship so I'll do it anyways. Short sighted, douchey, and a dick move too. Doesn't mean they are bad guys, just bad decisions

[BisonLaw]

one, but thats not what ncaa says nor what the rumor spreader was saying....which is what i am pointing out.

this cant be due to multiple faild tests

Even if you are correct, Klieman is also entitled to hold his players to a higher standard than what the NCAA requires.

[BattleBorn]

Seems to me we don’t truly know what happened. Let’s be careful to not pass too much judgement.

[MAKBison]

Hope these kids get a second chance. Kids do some stupid things sometimes, suspending them for a year could be another option instead of expelling them from the program completely.
i hear ya, but at the same time these are adults. if kids (same age) were in the service and smoked pot &
pissed hot, they would get a big chicken dinner wich would have all sorts of consciences.

btw....i seriously doubt a failed test is what happen here. a failed test for weed is missing 50% of season on first offense. this rumor suggests multiple faild tests.

[MAKBison]

Even if you are correct, Klieman is also entitled to hold his players to a higher standard than what the NCAA requires.
i am correct....look it up. however, u missed my point. the email i am responding to suggests multiple faild tests by the same players and a 1st time for the other. if that was the case these guys would already be off the team.

sure this could be their first time, and ck put the hammer down, but again thats not what the poster seems to suggest

[HerdBot]

Even if you are correct, Klieman is also entitled to hold his players to a higher standard than what the NCAA requires.

And I applaud him for that. Better than loser Lane Kiffin who reinstated a player the day they got out of jail for leaving the scene of an accident while driving drunk. Don't want a team of man children who make bad decisions because they happen to be good at football. I want a team of committed MEN that act like MEN. That starts with the coach

[CAS4127]

i am correct....look it up. however, u missed my point. the email i am responding to suggests multiple faild tests by the same players and a 1st time for the other. if that was the case these guys would already be off the team.

sure this could be their first time, and ck put the hammer down, but again thats not what the poster seems to suggest

Not if it was just an NDSU test. Get your shit together before posting a bunch of shit posts.


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[MAKBison]

And I applaud him for that. Better than loser Lane Kiffin who reinstated a player the day they got out of jail for leaving the scene of an accident while driving drunk. Don't want a team of man children who make bad decisions because they happen to be good at football. That starts with the coach

gabe, you do get, that is not what the original post suggest right?

[Bison Bridge Guy]

obviously Mcfeely cannot comprehend simple speak. ck provided a categorical generalization in his statement ....breaking team rules. hey mike that means it is not academic.


mm states....Specifically, I asked whether he could narrow down the reason for the dismissals into a category like “academics” or something else and he responded by saying, “I said we’re not going to talk about it.” KVRR-TV reporter Keith Albertson followed up by asking whether the dismissals and the suspension were related and a slightly agitated Klieman responded by saying, “I said we’re not going to talk about it.”

Reporters are supposed to push, pretty important part of the job. Better than rampant speculation as exhibited elsewhere in my opinion.

[MAKBison]

Not if it was just an NDSU test. Get your shit together before posting a bunch of shit posts.


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and do we need to go throught this again. teams gotta report a hot test

[MAKBison]

Reporters are supposed to push, pretty important part of the job. Better than rampant speculation as exhibited elsewhere in my opinion.

Oh I dont blame him for pushing, but publishing an article that falsely says know generalizations were given....well thats just not true and is mike stirring the pot

[HerdBot]

gabe, you do get, that is not what the original post suggest right?

Yeah I am just ranting. :) I get fired up sometimes and I love the fact he recruits good kids

[CAS4127]

and do we need to go throught this again. teams gotta report a hot test

I believe you are wrong.


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[MNLonghorn10]

Ya, remember it like it just happened. It was a thing of beauty, watching him outrun the CB and get in front for a dynamite block.

This is an enormous loss. Guys with his skill set and measurables are rare at any level, and pretty much non-existent at the FCS level. He already had everything and more going for him, and he was getting bigger,stronger,and faster.

I'm sure he will quickly find a new home. Yuck!!
Gonna be tough to replace that 1 catch for 15 yards. Next man up!

[BisonLaw]

and do we need to go throught this again. teams gotta report a hot test


I believe you are wrong.


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What is the penalty for failing a school-administered drug test?

Each NCAA member school is responsible for determining whether to establish an institutional drug-testing program, at which time the school would be responsible for determining applicable penalties. If a testing program is established, though, the school is obligated to enforce the penalties. Failure to do so can lead to NCAA sanctions.

http://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-institute/topics/frequently-asked-questions-about-drug-testing

[BisonFan02]

The arguing about this reminds me of the scene in Major League where they are trying to argue the ball being too high.....who cares, "its" gone.

[MAKBison]

Yeah I am just ranting. :) I get fired up sometimes

no prob i get it. i just dont like rumors and by posting that they pissed hot on multiple tests they have everyone thinking it must be true. i am just want to point out its not likely the case no matter what bs cass wants to suggest...lol just fing with ya cass u seem predictably hostile tonight

[CAS4127]

What is the penalty for failing a school-administered drug test?

Each NCAA member school is responsible for determining whether to establish an institutional drug-testing program, at which time the school would be responsible for determining applicable penalties. If a testing program is established, though, the school is obligated to enforce the penalties. Failure to do so can lead to NCAA sanctions.

http://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-institute/topics/frequently-asked-questions-about-drug-testing

Thank you. MAKBison needs to relax.


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[MAKBison]

What is the penalty for failing a school-administered drug test?

Each NCAA member school is responsible for determining whether to establish an institutional drug-testing program, at which time the school would be responsible for determining applicable penalties. If a testing program is established, though, the school is obligated to enforce the penalties. Failure to do so can lead to NCAA sanctions.

http://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-institute/topics/frequently-asked-questions-about-drug-testing

i would have to read throught it, but i think last year when the sd and uni kids popped it was determined that they had to selfreport and adhear to ncaa penalties

[MAKBison]

Thank you. MAKBison needs to relax.


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i beleive the last line says they have to adhere to ncaa policy, but your the lawyer. like i said it seems we had this dicussion a few times and that's where we landed.

as far as i know ndsu does not have an established policy. and if it does and it allows for multiple fails....well lets just say beyond disappointed.


btw cass since when did u start buying into rumor mill?????

[Bison bison]

MAK. God bless you, but get your head out of your butt.

The NCAA is a maximum.

NDSU can kick athletes out for a number of reasons. By your logic, they wouldn't have to go unless they got caught smoking twice.

[Nono Wood] Mr. Good-at-football, you have failed out of UND and will no longer be able to be a f'hawker.

[Mr Good-at-football] But, I get to smoke pot twice. I get to smoke pot twice!!!

[BisonLaw]

"The NDSU policy is separate and distinct from the NCAA drug-testing program although the NDSU policy contains the same list of banned drug classes and likewise prohibits the use of both performance enhancing substances and substances that may be hazardous to a student-athlete’s health such as many street drugs."

"Any person who tests positively for any of the drugs listed on the list of banned drugs is subject to:

. . .

5. Possible suspension or dismissal from their respective team."

http://www.gobison.com/documents/2015/5/21//Drug%20Testing%20Policy.pdf?id=1170

Not trying to call you out MAK, this is all new info to me so I decided to dig into it. As far as I can tell institutional testing is completely separate from NCAA testing and there is no reporting requirement.

[MAKBison]

bison bison...no that's not what i am saying. i am saying, if they would have been busted prior we would know about it.

[MAKBison]

"The NDSU policy is separate and distinct from the NCAA drug-testing program although the NDSU policy contains the same list of banned drug classes and likewise prohibits the use of both performance enhancing substances and substances that may be hazardous to a student-athlete’s health such as many street drugs."

"Any person who tests positively for any of the drugs listed on the list of banned drugs is subject to:

. . .

5. Possible suspension or dismissal from their respective team."

http://www.gobison.com/documents/2015/5/21//Drug%20Testing%20Policy.pdf?id=1170

Not trying to call you out MAK, this is all new info to me so I decided to dig into it. As far as I can tell institutional testing is completely separate from NCAA testing and there is no reporting requirement.

feel free to call me out all day long if i am wrong. but lets lay a few things down frist.

the rumor being spread is this is the 3rd failed test given by the dismissed athletes and 1st by the one suspended for a game.

do we agree on that?

[BisonLaw]

feel free to call me out all day long if i am wrong. but lets lay a few things down frist.

the rumor being spread is this is the 3rd failed test given by the dismissed athletes and 1st by the one suspended for a game.

do we agree on that?

No. Second failed drug test for the three dismissed, first for the one suspended.

[56BISON73]

no that's not what i am saying. i am saying, if they would have been busted prior we would know about it.

Quote Originally Posted by MAKBison View Post
and do we need to go throught this again. teams gotta report a hot test

[MAKBison]

Quote Originally Posted by MAKBison View Post
and do we need to go throught this again. teams gotta report a hot test
your making noise sit back and watch for once. i want to get this right

[56BISON73]

feel free to call me out all day long if i am wrong. but lets lay a few things down frist.

the rumor being spread is this is the 3rd failed test given by the dismissed athletes and 1st by the one suspended for a game.

do we agree on that?

Havent heard it was the 3rd test and dont believe CK would let it go that far.

[56BISON73]

your making noise sit back and watch for once. i want to get this right

Hey they were your words. :biggrin:

[MAKBison]

ok Ill accept that.

but if this is the case then we must deduce that the first hot test had no consequence. why cause these players have not been suspended prior.

do we agree on this?

[MAKBison]

yes i know...just let me work this out

[BisonLaw]

ok Ill accept that.

but if this is the case then we must deduce that the first hot test had no consequence. why cause these players have not been suspended prior.

Just because the consequences were not made public does not mean there were no consequences for a first failed test.

[MAKBison]

Havent heard it was the 3rd test and dont believe CK would let it go that far.

the original rumor suggest either 2 or 3rd i could not tell, ill go with 2 if that's what others think

[MAKBison]

so the consequence can be less than a game suspension? i am asking

[MAKBison]

btw, i certainly concide if ndsu has its own testing program that it must adhere to its exsisting policy.

i also concede it looks as if ndsu has its own testing program.

however, I have a few issues with the rumor and our policy

[BisonLaw]

so the consequence can be less than a game suspension? i am asking

Yes, under the NDSU policy a suspension is not required.

[CAS4127]

so the consequence can be less than a game suspension? i am asking

Yes—you need to just quit here. Dumb.


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[El_Chapo]

darren kelley thought it was funny to get the white rich suburb kids high... they got piss tested.

they all gone.

end of story.

The End.

El Chapo.

[MAKBison]

Yes—you need to just quit here. Dumb.


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thats not what was said, what was said was suspension or dismissal. correct???

[HerdBot]

the original rumor suggest either 2 or 3rd i could not tell, ill go with 2 if that's what others think

I think if someone fails a weed test once, they should be suspended for a game or so. If they fail it twice and clearly don't change their behavior, show them the door. It's just disrespectful to do it again. If that is the case the punishment fit the crime. Now when it's legal in a few years I may feel differently

[MAKBison]

Yes, under the NDSU policy a suspension is not required.
so what are they, you posted suspension or dismissal, but nothing else.

not trying to put u in a box, just wanna see what ndsu thinks are appropriate actions.

or if it that they must be suspended or dismissed then again rumor cant be correct. Engle played ever game correct?

[MAKBison]

I think if someone fails a weed test once, they should be suspended for a game or so. If they fail it twice and clearly don't change their behavior, show them the door. It's just disrespectful to do it again. If that is the case the punishment fit the crime. Now when it's legal in a few years I may feel differently

i would kick them out on 1st but thats me.

[BisonLaw]

so what are they, you posted suspension or dismissal, but nothing else.

Any person who tests positively for any of the drugs listed on the list of banned drugs (http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/ed_outreach/health-safety/drug_testing/banned_drugs.html) is subject to: (Appendix A NCAA List of Banned Substances)
1. Being required to meet with his or her head coach, the appropriate athletic department official, and athletic trainer. The meeting will be the first step in an assistance program that may include a personal assessment, drug evaluation and consultation with a counselor.
2. The athlete will be expected to abide by any sanction imposed by the head coach and/or the appropriate director of athletics.
3. Being retested throughout the following year to determine the effects of the assistance program. A student-athlete who tests positive on the second test will be referred to a drug rehabilitation program and may not participate in NDSU varsity athletics until he or she has completed the program.
4. Possible rescission or nonrenewal of athletic scholarship and in support in
accordance with NCAA procedures for notice and a hearing before the Student-Athlete Appeals Committee.
5. Possible suspension or dismissal from their respective team.

[56BISON73]

I think if someone fails a weed test once, they should be suspended for a game or so. If they fail it twice and clearly don't change their behavior, show them the door. It's just disrespectful to do it again. If that is the case the punishment fit the crime. Now when it's legal in a few years I may feel differently

Then thats Not No Tolerance

[MAKBison]

Any person who tests positively for any of the drugs listed on the list of banned drugs (http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/ed_outreach/health-safety/drug_testing/banned_drugs.html) is subject to: (Appendix A NCAA List of Banned Substances)
1. Being required to meet with his or her head coach, the appropriate athletic department official, and athletic trainer. The meeting will be the first step in an assistance program that may include a personal assessment, drug evaluation and consultation with a counselor.
2. The athlete will be expected to abide by any sanction imposed by the head coach and/or the appropriate director of athletics.
3. Being retested throughout the following year to determine the effects of the assistance program. A student-athlete who tests positive on the second test will be referred to a drug rehabilitation program and may not participate in NDSU varsity athletics until he or she has completed the program.
4. Possible rescission or nonrenewal of athletic scholarship and in support in
accordance with NCAA procedures for notice and a hearing before the Student-Athlete Appeals Committee.
5. Possible suspension or dismissal from their respective team.
well ok...that is really interesting. based on this and if like u suggested its 2 not 3 like i originally thought then it actually could be real. ok good to know and thanks.....i would much rather get it right than leave it wrong.

lots cleared up on what is the policy and we did not even call each other names.....see it can be done.

[MAKBison]

Then thats Not No Tolerance

yes, not impressed at all

[MAKBison]

Any person who tests positively for any of the drugs listed on the list of banned drugs (http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/ed_outreach/health-safety/drug_testing/banned_drugs.html) is subject to: (Appendix A NCAA List of Banned Substances)
1. Being required to meet with his or her head coach, the appropriate athletic department official, and athletic trainer. The meeting will be the first step in an assistance program that may include a personal assessment, drug evaluation and consultation with a counselor.
2. The athlete will be expected to abide by any sanction imposed by the head coach and/or the appropriate director of athletics.
3. Being retested throughout the following year to determine the effects of the assistance program. A student-athlete who tests positive on the second test will be referred to a drug rehabilitation program and may not participate in NDSU varsity athletics until he or she has completed the program.
4. Possible rescission or nonrenewal of athletic scholarship and in support in
accordance with NCAA procedures for notice and a hearing before the Student-Athlete Appeals Committee.
5. Possible suspension or dismissal from their respective team.

does anyone see anything wrong with this?

[MAKBison]

should have read my rep earlier
now it makes sense and would have saved 30 mins. i trust that.....thanks EC!!!

btw...
might need to hit u up for tGating if u have room for one more?

[56BISON73]

yes, not impressed at all

Then there is a very good chance that the information posted on the violations was wrong. So the best thing to do is not over think this and take the dismissals at face value and move on.

[MAKBison]

Then there is a very good chance that the information posted on the violations was wrong. So the best thing to do is not over think this and take the dismissals at face value and move on.
which is/was my original point.

but once it got into the actual policy i wanted work that out and get it correct. now, thanks to law, we know....at least for su.

btw, which is why i wanted to hash it out with just law and said sit back. i know u have thick skin, but wanted to make sure u know there was no intended disrespect.

[56BISON73]

which is/was my original point.

but once it got into the actual policy i wanted work that out and get it correct. now, thanks to law, we know....at least for su.

btw, which is why i wanted to hash it out with just law and said sit back. i know u have thick skin, but wanted to make sure u know there was no intended disrespect.

I didnt take it as such. I knew you were just jawing me. :nod::D

[HerdBot]

Then thats Not No Tolerance

I'm not a no tolerance guy. Does the punishment fit the crime? First time weed test being kicked off the team is like killing a fly with a sledge hammer. Repeated failed tests you show them the door IMO

Heck Coprich sold weed to a cop and Spack gave him a spanking. That is pathetic

[56BISON73]

I'm not a no tolerance guy. Does the punishment fit the crime? First time weed test being kicked off the team is like killing a fly with a sledge hammer. Repeated failed tests you show them the door IMO

Heck Coprich sold weed to a cop and Spack gave him a spanking. That is pathetic

About 3-4 years ago met a kid in Garrison MN at the walleye opener. Big kid. We struck up a conversation because I had NDSU gear on and he said he used to play at NDSU. Asked his name and didnt recognize it. Then he told me that after the team had there rash of problems Bohl laid down the law. NO TOLERANCE. Well he and a few teammates went out ,had too much to drink and got in to a fight. He said I guess when Bohl said no tolerance he meant it and he was gone. Thats how you stop problems.

[MAKBison]

I'm not a no tolerance guy. Does the punishment fit the crime? First time weed test being kicked off the team is like killing a fly with a sledge hammer. Repeated failed tests you show them the door IMO

Heck Coprich sold weed to a cop and Spack gave him a spanking. That is pathetic

i hear that gabe, but i would get ride of them for 1st offense. you buy all in or go home.

plus, i hate it when we say these are just kids. these kida are the same age as most in our military they should understanding what it means to follow rules. i think ndsu policy was written to give as much leeway as possible. i think i am disappointed...hmmm not sure would need to think about more. one side, a purpose of the university is to help kids grow so from that perspective....secound chances make sense.

[MAKBison]

About 3-4 years ago met a kid in Garrison MN at the walleye opener. Big kid. We struck up a conversation because I had NDSU gear on and he said he used to play at NDSU. Asked his name and didnt recognize it. Then he told me that after the team had there rash of problems Bohl laid down the law. NO TOLERANCE. Well he and a few teammates went out ,had too much to drink and got in to a fight. He said I guess when Bohl said no tolerance he meant it and he was gone. Thats how you stop problems.

kid learned a lesson he probable wished he learned prior. but sounds like he learned it. sucks but .......

[56BISON73]

kid learned a lesson he probable wished he learned prior. but sounds like he learned it. sucks but .......

Kid said it was his fault. They were warned. He was good with it and had no hard feelings but wished it would have turned out different.

He is now working as an electrician in the family business.

[td577]

Coach K doesn't come off as a Zero Tolerance guy. There were games this season where these guys could have been suspended for violating team rules and no one would have been any wiser. Kelly didn't participate in the MSU game, Engel didn't participate in the ISUb game, and Van Dellen didn't participate in a few games. I am not saying they were suspended for those games, but they could have been. I think Klieman is very aware of how suffocating a zero tolerance program would be, but if you do find yourself on the wrong end of a bad decision a second time, there isn't any room to see a third time.

These are 19-24 year old men. They need to make adult decisions and they will have adult consequences for their actions. The bottom line is no matter what anyone said how special they were when they were recruited, it is still a privilege to play college football. Their future in the workforce will not be as forgiving.

[bisonaudit]

There should be a rule granting every citizen on the planet a “get out of jail” free card for any weed consumed during a Bill Walton broadcast.

[JMB]

Reporters are supposed to push, pretty important part of the job. Better than rampant speculation as exhibited elsewhere in my opinion.

Actually McFeely's column was about giving out more information so the rumor mill doesn't run wild which is exactly what this whole thread is about.

[Mr Meaty]

Oh I dont blame him for pushing, but publishing an article that falsely says know generalizations were given....well thats just not true and is mike stirring the pot

Just like most posting and not knowing what the issue was. Obviously it is a violation of team rules and they are gone or suspended. Players know the rules , live with your poor decision.

[ByeSonBusiness]

There should be a rule granting every citizen on the planet a “get out of jail” free card for any weed consumed during a Bill Walton broadcast.

Not just weed. Psychedelic substances as well.

[tony]

Just like most posting and not knowing what the issue was. Obviously it is a violation of team rules and they are gone or suspended. Players know the rules , live with your poor decision.

My wife has lived with hers for decades. Maybe she could offer some advice.

[Grizzled]

About 3-4 years ago met a kid in Garrison MN at the walleye opener. Big kid. We struck up a conversation because I had NDSU gear on and he said he used to play at NDSU. Asked his name and didnt recognize it. Then he told me that after the team had there rash of problems Bohl laid down the law. NO TOLERANCE. Well he and a few teammates went out ,had too much to drink and got in to a fight. He said I guess when Bohl said no tolerance he meant it and he was gone. Thats how you stop problems.

Bohl didn’t have a zero tolerance policy. It was similar to today’s one strike policy. A few guys got/have gotten one and a half.

[KNOW IT ALL]

I am fine with Zero Tolerence, however, keep in mind that it applies to everyone moving forward. And, what is the threshold for zero tolerance (what type of mishap), what punishment fits what crime? What if Deluca and Cox were to be lured into an altercation in a McDonalds parking lot, a fight takes place, stories vary, people get hurt etc..... ?????? Hmmm, What if its a week before a championship game? The word "ZERO" is a slippery word. Also, NDSU may well have this type of instance covered I was simply noting that often times you can put yourself in a box for the future. Shit Happens. 100 men ages 18-24 are going to have instances, we did!

[Trumpster]

your making noise sit back and watch for once. i want to get this right

What happened to sitting back and watching for once? I come here and I just see a wall of your posts.

[Trumpster]

Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence. It's what expels a 2ed grade kid from school for biting his pop-tart into a gun shape.

[KNOW IT ALL]

Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence. It's what expels a 2ed grade kid from school for biting his pop-tart into a gun shape.

They are probably guilty of not "sharing"!!!!

[THEsocalledfan]

So, I skimmed all 20 pages of this. We have a single first time poster who posted a rumor. We also have sourced NDSU policy that would seem to fit the situation. Any opinions on how solid this rumor is? Hoping more reliable than Carson punching the locker......

[MAKBison]

What happened to sitting back and watching for once? I come here and I just see a wall of your posts.

i was telling pat let me work out the actually policy with law without interference....he got it, he was fine with it. not sure why u have an issue with it

[Bison 4 Life]

So, I skimmed all 20 pages of this. We have a single first time poster who posted a rumor. We also have sourced NDSU policy that would seem to fit the situation. Any opinions on how solid this rumor is? Hoping more reliable than Carson punching the locker......

It's plausible. Also, consensus opinion is it's a dumb move. Disappointment is the prevailing sentiment.

On to the Whale Vaginas

[MAKBison]

Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence. It's what expels a 2ed grade kid from school for biting his pop-tart into a gun shape.

There is a huge different between kids and adults. btw, i am not sure that 0 tolerance has to mean you're kicked off for the 1st offense. I Think it just means there has to be a consequence for an event.

It would seem to me the SU has a 0 tolerance Policy as there are consequences for any number of instances.

[GradBison]

i hear that gabe, but i would get ride of them for 1st offense. you buy all in or go home.

plus, i hate it when we say these are just kids. these kida are the same age as most in our military they should understanding what it means to follow rules. i think ndsu policy was written to give as much leeway as possible. i think i am disappointed...hmmm not sure would need to think about more. one side, a purpose of the university is to help kids grow so from that perspective....secound chances make sense.

Yeah cause those in the military never break rules. :rolleyes:

[MAKBison]

Yeah cause those in the military never break rules. :rolleyes:

and when they do on this issue they are kicked out with bad conduct discharge and or sent to the equivalent of a work camp/jail for a few months.

like td suggested there should be adult consequences. if our response is a 1 game suspension thats damn lame. but again. we have no clue what happen or why. And like i have been yammering on about.......this is all based on a rumor and speculation and needs to be treated as such

[wagsabison]

They knew the rules. They didn't follow them and were punished accordingly. Hopefully they learn from this and move on with their lives.

[HerdBot]

About 3-4 years ago met a kid in Garrison MN at the walleye opener. Big kid. We struck up a conversation because I had NDSU gear on and he said he used to play at NDSU. Asked his name and didnt recognize it. Then he told me that after the team had there rash of problems Bohl laid down the law. NO TOLERANCE. Well he and a few teammates went out ,had too much to drink and got in to a fight. He said I guess when Bohl said no tolerance he meant it and he was gone. Thats how you stop problems.

True and point well taken but didn't Bohl have way more disciplinary issues than Klieman?

[HerdBot]

i hear that gabe, but i would get ride of them for 1st offense. you buy all in or go home.

plus, i hate it when we say these are just kids. these kida are the same age as most in our military they should understanding what it means to follow rules. i think ndsu policy was written to give as much leeway as possible. i think i am disappointed...hmmm not sure would need to think about more. one side, a purpose of the university is to help kids grow so from that perspective....secound chances make sense.


and when they do on this issue they are kicked out with bad conduct discharge and or sent to the equivalent of a work camp/jail for a few months.

like td suggested there should be adult consequences. if our response is a 1 game suspension thats damn lame. but again. we have no clue what happen or why. And like i have been yammering on about.......this is all based on a rumor and speculation and needs to be treated as such

You can't compare military to civilian. The military is the only place in the country where it's illegal to test positive. It's not illegal for a civilian to have gotten stoned or fail a drug test.

I think you have to look at each case individually. That's just my opinion. Is treatment needed? 2 failed tests and it's a no brainer.. Show them the door. I would cut a scholarship for a 1st test

[MAKBison]

You can't compare military to civilian. The military is the only place in the country where it's illegal to test positive. It's not illegal for a civilian to get stoned or fail a drug test.

i dont disagree gabe. I am more so just pointing out that these are not kids. Also I'm trying to make a general statement Regarding the fact that we don't seem to hold people all that accountable anymore.

I think the pendulum a swung a little too far on the tolerant side and needs to come back a bit more to the accountability side. btw..... I'm talking in general here as this has nothing to do with SU

[HerdBot]

i dont disagree gabe. I am more so just pointing out that these are not kids. Also I'm trying to make a general statement Regarding the fact that we don't seem to hold people all that accountable anymore.

I think the pendulum a swung a little too far on the tolerant side and needs to come back a bit more to the accountability side. btw..... I'm talking in general here as this has nothing to do with SU

If I was in charge... 1st failed test get rid of the scholarship temporarily and make them earn it back and pay out of pocket . 2nd failed test they are gone.

And I'm all about accountability And I agree with the way this was handled. Kliemans track record speaks for itself. Other schools... Not so much. Youth is not an excuse. Does the punishment fit the crime. I say yes

[MAKBison]

If I was in charge... 1st failed test get rid of the scholarship temporarily and make them earn it back and pay out of pocket . 2nd failed test they are gone.

And I'm all about accountability And I agree with the way this was handled. Kliemans track record speaks for itself. Other schools... Not so much. Youth is not an excuse. Does the punishment fit the crime. I say yes

seems reasonable.

[barnwintersportsengelstad]

What happened to sitting back and watching for once? I come here and I just see a wall of your posts.

What a show. It's absolutely amazing on here, when the shoe is on the other foot.

[siouxfan512]

Props to the NDSU coaches for zero tolerance. And frankly, if I was a NDSU fan, I wouldn't be overly concerned with the losses, considering how much depth their is on the team, and how good some of the incoming recruits are. The only thing with these issues, is you hope it doesn't extend beyond just the players that were dismissed. Hopefully, whatever the issue was, this is it. Sucks for the team to lose some guys, and I really though there was some potential with that Engel kid.

Like someone else said on here, it is tough to keep a whole team of kids in line. There are always some that will do what they want, and think they can get away with it.

Good luck against SD.

[Bison 4 Life]

What a show. It's absolutely amazing on here, when the shoe is on the other foot.


Props to the NDSU coaches for zero tolerance. And frankly, if I was a NDSU fan, I wouldn't be overly concerned with the losses, considering how much depth their is on the team, and how good some of the incoming recruits are. The only thing with these issues, is you hope it doesn't extend beyond just the players that were dismissed. Hopefully, whatever the issue was, this is it. Sucks for the team to lose some guys, and I really though there was some potential with that Engel kid.

Like someone else said on here, it is tough to keep a whole team of kids in line. There are always some that will do what they want, and think they can get away with it.

Good luck against SD.

Bitterness vs graciousness.

[barnwintersportsengelstad]

Bitterness vs graciousness.

Bizon till dead; If the name of this thread was 3 Fighting Hawks are kicked of the FB team, your insulting posts would be right in the mix with the rest.
Bitterness, not at all, Sad absolutely.

[Bison56]

Bizon till dead; If the name of this thread was 3 Fighting Hawks are kicked of the FB team, your insulting posts would be right in the mix with the rest.
Bitterness, not at all, Sad absolutely.

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[su86]

Yeah cause those in the military never break rules. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I thought the same thing.

[MAKBison]

What a show. It's absolutely amazing on here, when the shoe is on the other foot.

explain this....cuz the majority of these post are about figuring out what is the actual policy and process is So that a rumor could either be dispelled and/or be deemed a possibility. not sure what that has to do with shoes and feet.

[MAKBison]

and su86, when they do the penalty is harsh. what's your point. The point being made was that College "kids" are adults that can and should be held to a standard.

but again that has nothing to do with this situation As it's pretty obvious these players are being held accountable for whatever it is they did.

Again, The point was an illustration that you can hold this age of adult to accountability .

[Bison 4 Life]

Bizon till dead; If the name of this thread was 3 Fighting Hawks are kicked of the FB team, your insulting posts would be right in the mix with the rest.
Bitterness, not at all, Sad absolutely.

If the name of the thread was 3 Fighting Hawks are kicked off the FB team and on Sioux Sports, I wouldn't be over there saying a fucking word.

If it was weed, they could have bought it from the UND students trying to be Tony Montana.

[BattleBorn]

Bizon till dead; If the name of this thread was 3 Fighting Hawks are kicked of the FB team, your insulting posts would be right in the mix with the rest.

But they would be hilarious.

[StL Bison Fan]

Bizon till dead; If the name of this thread was 3 Fighting Hawks are kicked of the FB team, your insulting posts would be right in the mix with the rest.
Bitterness, not at all, Sad absolutely.

If this were the case with the hawks, three things would be for sure:
1 there would be insults
2 we would not be surprised
3 there would be shock if something was done. Especially throwing them off the team
And maybe #4. Its NDSUs fault

[Bison 4 Life]

Where did this come from? NDSU?

http://www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/1fh5h_h3fx9hcfsb1hplx16rs4wjcz1ga.jpg?w=1020

[HerdBot]

What a show. It's absolutely amazing on here, when the shoe is on the other foot.

That is true. Bison fans say good riddance. Focker fans justify the actions. These kids were kicked off the team and didn't actually commit a crime and wasn't arrested or charged

[wagsabison]

Where did this come from? NDSU?

http://www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/1fh5h_h3fx9hcfsb1hplx16rs4wjcz1ga.jpg?w=1020

Looks like scene out of Super Troopers

[MAKBison]

That is true. Bison fans say good riddance. Focker fans justify the actions. These kids were kicked off the team and didn't actually commit a crime and wasn't arrested or charged

You have no clue what they did or didn't do Gabe. This is all based on a rumor. I thought the montra was know all the facts before we make any judgments.

The only facts we know are that 3 players were dismissed from the team another was suspended. that's it.

the focker talk is
1. done in the smack thread
2. Based on the arrest record.
3.almost every post in here that is actually talking about the players is positive that they're being held accountable for their actions.

The post that you are quoting is delusional and based on someone who certainly did not read through this thread

[Bison 4 Life]

You have no clue what they did or didn't do Gabe. This is all based on a rumor. I thought the montra was know all the facts before we make any judgments.

The only facts we know are that 3 players were dismissed from the team another was suspended. that's it.

the focker talk is one done in the smack thread and two Based on the arrest record.

Like I said earlier, that seems like a plausible scenario. I also said in real life it's no big deal but within this program and these rules, it's not.

[tjbison]

nothing stays a secret forever, but making shit up/guessing helps nobody

[MAKBison]

Like I said earlier, that seems like a plausible scenario. I also said in real life it's no big deal but within this program and these rules, it's not.

Solid post....For those who don't want to read 20 pages of b******* I help you out .


It's about trying to figure out what the actual N CAA and su 's policies are concerning various violations. thats really it

[totoinfl]

Yep. Just my east coast point of view... you all get more exposure than you think especially now with CW front page news and NDSU Bison fans/banners/signs being high lighted by the networks at every Eagles game.
Agreed...if the ‘skins go further in the tank the Eagles will be even bigger...

[tjbison]

Agreed...if the ‘skins go further in the tank the Eagles will be even bigger...

and it still means zero to NDSU and these 3 kids

[su86]

and su86, when they do the penalty is harsh. what's your point. The point being made was that College "kids" are adults that can and should be held to a standard.

but again that has nothing to do with this situation As it's pretty obvious these players are being held accountable for whatever it is they did.

Again, The point was an illustration that you can hold this age of adult to accountability .

You really need to relax

[thebigund]

Where did this come from? NDSU?

http://www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/1fh5h_h3fx9hcfsb1hplx16rs4wjcz1ga.jpg?w=1020

Looks like they're taking the harvest helmets to a new level.

[imabison]

Props to the NDSU coaches for zero tolerance. And frankly, if I was a NDSU fan, I wouldn't be overly concerned with the losses, considering how much depth their is on the team, and how good some of the incoming recruits are. The only thing with these issues, is you hope it doesn't extend beyond just the players that were dismissed. Hopefully, whatever the issue was, this is it. Sucks for the team to lose some guys, and I really though there was some potential with that Engel kid.

Like someone else said on here, it is tough to keep a whole team of kids in line. There are always some that will do what they want, and think they can get away with it.

Good luck against SD.

Here is a scenario for what might have happened. All just an opinion.
Players d failed a NCAA drug test. Suspension 1 game.
Player D when pressed for where he got the steroid or illicit drug adv from Players ABC.
When pressed by the coaches Players ABC were determined to be selling to the team etc.
Players ABC done,

The selling of such steroids or etc, may not be considered illegal in terms of Law Enforcement
therefore they may not have been aware of it.

No Tolerance means no tolerance.
What if Players abc had been starters, you still follow the rule

[BisonLaw]

Here is a scenario for what might have happened. All just an opinion.
Players d failed a NCAA drug test. Suspension 1 game.
Player D when pressed for where he got the steroid or illicit drug adv from Players ABC.
When pressed by the coaches Players ABC were determined to be selling to the team etc.
Players ABC done,

The selling of such steroids or etc, may not be considered illegal in terms of Law Enforcement
therefore they may not have been aware of it.

No Tolerance means no tolerance.
What if Players abc had been starters, you still follow the rule

:facepalm:

[CAS4127]

:facepalm:

Triple or even quadruple that. Good god ....


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[MankatoBison]

Guys you know what I heard? I don't want to spread any rumors or anything but I heard they raped, like a hundred girls or something. Maybe even a dood or two, there's no way of knowing. Then after raping everyone they each burned down like 6 buildings or something.

Now I know what you're thinking : "if they raped so many people, why didn't we hear about it on any police reports?"... Well.... again I hate to spread rumors..... But I heard that they murdered like every cop in fargo and Moorhead. THINK about it- have you gotten pulled over by a cop TODAY?? I haven't! .....cuz they're all already dead..........................

Passes the blunt

[MAKBison]

Triple or even quadruple that. Good god ....


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well i guess my quest to stress not giving legs to rumors failed.

[BattleBorn]

I heard from my cousin's ex husband who sold a washing machine to Engel's mom's neighbor that the NCAA Playoff Committee, after realizing they gave us the easier bracket, planted contraband in their dorms (with the help of the Illuminati, of course). Player D used his extensive knowledge of the Rothschilds' ties to shape shifting reptilians to secure a lesser punishment (in exchange for his silence, of course).

Look what happens to us when we get a bye week.

[natstar1]

So, I skimmed all 20 pages of this. We have a single first time poster who posted a rumor. We also have sourced NDSU policy that would seem to fit the situation. Any opinions on how solid this rumor is? Hoping more reliable than Carson punching the locker......

you've been around 10+ years and 14K posts and still haven't switched to 40 posts per page? Can't imagine why someone would do that to themselves.

[MAKBison]

I heard from my cousin's ex husband who sold a washing machine to Engel's mom's neighbor that the NCAA Playoff Committee, after realizing they gave us the easier bracket, planted contraband in their dorms (with the help of the Illuminati, of course). Player D used his extensive knowledge of the Rothschilds' ties to shape shifting reptilians to secure a lesser punishment (in exchange for his silence, of course).

Look what happens to us when we get a bye week.

i would beleive that but i think ndsu has policy stating no "lazers" can be used unless the "lazer" is used to control the monetary system. plus, DB is the head of the illuminati so that cant be it

0k that was just dumb is the bye week over yet!!!!!!

[bisonp]

Well, enough of the rumor mill, does anybody have some analysis of how much this hurts us going forward the next year or two? Are any of them a significant loss?

[MAKBison]

i dont think it hurts at all. i think one of the immediate future Qb's was leaving anyways.

one was a senior....maybe depth and ST.

the WR....well hard to tell. he had one memorable down feild block and was targeted o times in EZ.

seems like the scolly flexibility could be a good thing. hard to tell. imo

[kab1one]

In a situation like this can the university even say why they were dismissed? McFeely and his silly need to know article talks about how he tried to get an answer, but what is policy in this situation? If disclosed can the university be sued? Seems to me you would have rules similar to workplace protection and HIPPA confidential type rules. Note rules like HIPPA, not HIPPA specifically.

[EC8CH]

Well, enough of the rumor mill, does anybody have some analysis of how much this hurts us going forward the next year or two? Are any of them a significant loss?

Van Dellen didn't look to be moving up the QB depth chart anytime soon (at least to me) and was likely to get buried by the two classes that followed him.

Kelly was already a senior who was playing mostly on special teams.

Engel is the biggest potential loss. He was busting his ass blocking downfield this year but has yet to become a threat as a receiver. Had difficulty getting off the line and creating separation and never really showed any ball skills in his limited targets. Maybe he would have made some bigger strides in the following years but he was trending toward bust status IMHO.

[MAKBison]

In a situation like this can the university even say why they were dismissed? McFeely and his silly need to know article talks about how he tried to get an answer, but what is policy in this situation? If disclosed can the university be sued? Seems to me you would have rules similar to workplace protection and HIPPA confidential type rules. Note rules like HIPPA, not HIPPA specifically.

i usually stick up for mike, but thst article was dumb. He called out coach for not giving A generalization . And coach with his very 1st statement.....he gives a generalization. team rules

mike should of just said he is p***** off the coach would give me any more than a generalization.