Los Toreros: La Segunda Parte (San Diego II)

[tony]

Last year, the San Diego defense shut down our RBs until the 4th quarter.

Dunn: 8 rushes for 37 yards (and that includes a 31 yard gain)
Frazier: 7-33
Anderson: 3-0
Morlock: 1-2

Goals: Get our RBs running the ball instead of making Stick carry the load.

[Mr Meaty]

Do what Bison do. Run the damn ball. Bruce have fun. Brooks slash to the hole and dash for the cash. Wilson go all balls out on this.

[A1pigskin]

They will be more prepared with the noise.

[tjbison]

Well coached and disciplined, can't be complacent but I'm thinking similar outcome to last year

[ZHerd]

Expecting a closer game because last years game was more difficult than the final score indicated. Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a close game. Time for NDSU to pull a 2015 and find a higher gear for playoffs

[DM05]

Certainly can't sleepwalk through this one, but they are small on defense. Only one defensive linemen on the two deep that is heavier than 250 pounds. Hope to see lots of one WR, two TE sets with lots of play action. They are gonna need to sell out on the run.

[Professor Chaos]

I think it'll be a lot like last year. San Diego will hang around in the first half. Bisonville will lament about how much worse this team is than any of the title teams and fans of the other FCS powers will rejoice saying that this Bison program has further lost it's edge.

Then the 2nd half will roll around and NDSU's superior depth will allow them to run away with it and everyone calms down.

[Rock]

Was fun to watch San Diego last night. Backs read blocks well and could see schemes develop. Well coached.


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[MAKBison]

TE will have a huge game.

[Mr Meaty]

TE will have a huge game.

Only if we use them.

[Olton Hall]

After watching San Diego last night I'm a bit concerned for next weekend. San Diego did well reading the weak spots and taking advantage of them. Some of those weaknesses our defense have. They also no longer have the disadvantage of being first timers. If we play well and the crowd turns it to 11, we will do well. If we play like we did in the SDSU game then the results will be the same. The outcome of the game will be a surprise for me as I will be on an airplane starting at kickoff time and land three hours later.

[MAKBison]

Only if we use them.

USD cant stop the pass and or handle the big guys gunna be lots of YAC

[MAKBison]

After watching San Diego last night I'm a bit concerned for next weekend. San Diego did well reading the weak spots and taking advantage of them. Some of those weaknesses our defense have. They also no longer have the disadvantage of being first timers. If we play well and the crowd turns it to 11, we will do well. If we play like we did in the SDSU game then the results will be the same. The outcome of the game will be a surprise for me as I will be on an airplane starting at kickoff time and land three hours later.
I dont get this at all. Yes, they are a sound team, but after watching last night this should be boat race

[Mr Meaty]

San Diego Big Sky Champs two years in a row.

[bruinbison]

Certainly can't sleepwalk through this one, but they are small on defense. Only one defensive linemen on the two deep that is heavier than 250 pounds. Hope to see lots of one WR, two TE sets with lots of play action. They are gonna need to sell out on the run.

In watching part of the San Diego game it seemed like Northern Arizona was mainly trying to run wide. With San Diego
and it's small but fast D, pursuit was their strength, did not work out well for the Lumberjacks. QB runs looked to me to be there, but Case Cookum did not grab those chances right away. Plus they did not seem to call those QB specific
runs very often and then got too far behind for San Diego to need to worry about. With QB runs being a staple of NDSU's offense, I would think San Diego will have a tougher time accounting for everyone.

[Bisonator98]

Much respect for San Diego. They are well coached and give 110% every play. They are kind of like a non-scholly version of NDSU. Fun to watch another pro-style offense and disciplined defense. With that said this will be similar to last year, another blow out. Hopefully the Bison can come out of this game healthy and get the backups some work in the 4th quarter.

[tjbison]

We will not lose

[HerdBot]

Do what Bison do. Run the damn ball. Bruce have fun. Brooks slash to the hole and dash for the cash. Wilson go all balls out on this.

And lots of playaction and screens

[scottietohottie]

Anchorman 2 sucked.

[Professor Chaos]

NAU seemed to get into trouble yesterday when they blitzed San Diego. The Bison got into trouble against SDSU when they blitzed and didn't get home (although SDSU's O-line is likely better than San Diego's). I get the feeling the onus will be on the Bison d-line defensively to get to the QB.

[56BISON73]

I dont get this at all. Yes, they are a sound team, but after watching last night this should be boat race

I think they will be more difficult than you think. They use there TE well. We suffer in that area defensively. If we dont put pressure on their QB its going to be a long day.

[Bison"FANatic"]

I don't think it will be as bad as last year but it isn't going to be close.

[THEsocalledfan]

Can we ditch the fiction of them being "non-scholarship?" I don't but it from what I saw yesterday. They are finding a way to fund players. Someone on here must know how.

[Christopher Moen]

Can we ditch the fiction of them being "non-scholarship?" I don't but it from what I saw yesterday. They are finding a way to fund players. Someone on here must know how.

I’m guessing they do the same thing that DIII powerhouse wrestling teams like Augsburg do - get their athletes academic scholarships.


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[marenlee]

I’m sure they get some assistance. But I doubt academic scholarships. It’s 65k+ a year tuition at USD.

[LongLostAlum]

From yesterday's game, hard to tell if San Diego is that good, or Northern Arizona that bad; probably some of both. Looks like about a 38-10 win for the Bison on Saturday.

[Hammersmith]

I’m sure they get some assistance. But I doubt academic scholarships. It’s 65k+ a year tuition at USD.

Which is why they'll never go scholarship football.

[DakotaOkie]

I’m sure they get some assistance. But I doubt academic scholarships. It’s 65k+ a year tuition at USD.
According to the interwebs, about 80% of students get assistance and the average is ~$25,000 per scholastic year. Still not a free ride, but I would not bet against the football players getting a strong share to bring the cost down to the level of an in-state public school or less.

[tjbison]

From yesterday's game, hard to tell if San Diego is that good, or Northern Arizona that bad; probably some of both. Looks like about a 38-10 win for the Bison on Saturday.

NAU was horrific in the trenches, pure garbage.

USD is a sound team but not national championship team, their coach openly admitted last year's team was more athletic but NAU just sucks and couldn't do anything. They got behind and panicked started throwing it all over the place

USD stayed calm, and took control, that's coaching

[Bisonwinagn]

USD is about at the same level as Weber St and SUU. Klieman even mentioned it on the show this morning that they are the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big Sky this year. I think that's legit and not game talk. The expectation of the outcome should be the same as if we were playing those teams.

[Bisonator98]

USD is about at the same level as Weber St and SUU. Klieman even mentioned it on the show this morning that they are the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big Sky this year. I think that's legit and not game talk. The expectation of the outcome should be the same as if we were playing those teams.

Um wut? I think not.

[NDSUstudent]

USD is about at the same level as Weber St and SUU. Klieman even mentioned it on the show this morning that they are the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big Sky this year. I think that's legit and not game talk. The expectation of the outcome should be the same as if we were playing those teams.

USD got crushed by a 5-6 UCD Team and lost to a .500 Princeton team by 10.

They aren't that good.

[MAKBison]

I think they will be more difficult than you think. They use there TE well. We suffer in that area defensively. If we dont put pressure on their QB its going to be a long day.

maybe, but after a few series, we should be able to get 3 to 5 yards at will.

[56BISON73]

maybe, but after a few series, we should be able to get 3 to 5 yards at will.

That would be nice.

[Bisonwinagn]

USD got crushed by a 5-6 UCD Team and lost to a .500 Princeton team by 10.

They aren't that good.

Using that theory NAU beat ISUr by 3 TD and USD destroyed NAU so they are at least 6 TD better than ISUr.

[MAKBison]

That would be nice.

they are a well coached play hard type of team. they just dont have the beef or all around talent to hang. I dont see one player group where they have the edge.


i would expect a good effort but as the game goes on pure talent and size will be obvious

[NDSUstudent]

Using that theory NAU beat ISUr by 3 TD and USD destroyed NAU so they are at least 6 TD better than ISUr.

What theory? I am not comparing scores here...they lost two games to crappy teams. ISUR isn't that good either, 6-5 team for a reason.

I expect a 24+ point win, I wouldn't have that kind of expectation against Weber or SUU. Klieman is just providing the usual pregame coaching compliments.

[NDSUstudent]

If we play to our ability offensively this game should be a replay of last year's game.

[HerdBot]

USD got crushed by a 5-6 UCD Team and lost to a .500 Princeton team by 10.

They aren't that good.

Teams that run a style like San Diego tend to peak in the playoffs and they are playing some good football right now

[NDSUstudent]

Teams that run a style like San Diego tend to peak in the playoffs and they are playing some good football right now

For what they are, they are great. I agree they are playing well and peaking, just like last year.

But they just don't match up...It is what it is.

[tjbison]

USD is about at the same level as Weber St and SUU. Klieman even mentioned it on the show this morning that they are the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big Sky this year. I think that's legit and not game talk. The expectation of the outcome should be the same as if we were playing those teams.

Klieman also said MVSU would be a test, he's a coach, he wont come out and degrade a program.

[BisoninNWMN]

I dont get this at all. Yes, they are a sound team, but after watching last night this should be boat race

This here 100%

N Arizona's defense was total crap and made the USD offense look like the Patriots. NDSU's defense might be a little better than NAU's...:)

This will be a rout.

[BisoninNWMN]

USD is about at the same level as Weber St and SUU. Klieman even mentioned it on the show this morning that they are the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big Sky this year. I think that's legit and not game talk. The expectation of the outcome should be the same as if we were playing those teams.

No they're not. Total coach speak on that.

Weber and SUU would boat race USD and I fully expect the Bison to do that.

[TAILG8R]

This will be a 21-28 point win. Will be fun though because the season ended with a sour note last year and this will get the fans excited and pumped up for a playoff run.


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[bisonmike2]

Their secondary is horrible. They have talent on the d line but they are undersized. We'll run on them, but not until later in the game. Stick should be able to pick apart this secondary. Not worried about our defense.

[Christopher Moen]

they are a well coached play hard type of team. they just dont have the beef or all around talent to hang. I dont see one player group where they have the edge.


i would expect a good effort but as the game goes on pure talent and size will be obvious

The only edge I see San Diego has is that they have nothing to lose and will play like that until someone breaks their will.

It’s similar to how NDSU plays against FBS teams, except that the Bison are less of an underdog in those games.

NDSU needs to play sound Bison football and focus on executing their game plan better than their opponents. If they play like they did against USD and somewhat ISU-R (weather was too much of an issue to get a full assessment) nobody is beating them in the playoffs. If they go Bizzaro-Bison like they did against SDSU, then they are vulnerable to pretty much any team left in the bracket.


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[LongLostAlum]

NAU was horrific in the trenches, pure garbage.

USD is a sound team but not national championship team, their coach openly admitted last year's team was more athletic but NAU just sucks and couldn't do anything. They got behind and panicked started throwing it all over the place

USD stayed calm, and took control, that's coaching

I agree. USD controlled the game, much the way the Bison (for-the-most-part) control their games. Problem for USD is that they just don't have the physicality and raw talent that we have.

[MAKBison]

I agree. USD controlled the game, much the way the Bison (for-the-most-part) control their games. Problem for USD is that they just don't have the physicality and raw talent that we have.
yep i agree!!! they sure got my respect for how they play and how they are coached but.........they just dont have enough juice.

look for a lot of yac and the TEs to truck multiple bulls. there will be some great collisions between ba and their flow lb tho.

[MAKBison]

This will be a 21-28 point win. Will be fun though because the season ended with a sour note last year and this will get the fans excited and pumped up for a playoff run.


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ill take the bet on that spreasd all day long

[TAILG8R]

ill take the bet on that spreasd all day long

My guess is the score will be somewhere in the 35-10 range.

[perthbison]

I’m guessing they do the same thing that DIII powerhouse wrestling teams like Augsburg do - get their athletes academic scholarships.


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I'll bet most of the players on the field yesterday for SD had some sort of scholly, just not a football schollarship

[perthbison]

Their secondary is horrible. They have talent on the d line but they are undersized. We'll run on them, but not until later in the game. Stick should be able to pick apart this secondary. Not worried about our defense.

If Stick was the QB for NAU last night he'd have run for several hundred yards. That opportunity was there a lot

[Bison 4 Life]

I'll bet most of the players on the field yesterday for SD had some sort of scholly, just not a football schollarship

The only scholarships they can't offer is grant-in-aid. That doesn't mean they don't have people putting together financial aid packages for them.

[tony]

The USD depth chart for the NAU game.

USD Torero Offense
WR- #8 Justin Priest (6-3, 212, Sr.)
#84 Alex Spadone (6-1, 208, Fr.)
LT- #75 Daniel Cooney (6-8, 315, Jr.*)
#60 Nolan Bisogno (6-2, 270, So.)
LG- #56 Trevor Provencio (6-1, 310, Jr.*)
#57/97 Jake Michaels (6-3, 280, So.*)
C- #68 Joe Hurney (6-2, 280, Sr.)
#61 Preston Orellana (6-1, 275, Fr.*)
RG- #53 Jake Arlotti (6-2, 285, Jr.*)
#54/88 Christian Williams (6-3, 285, Jr.*)
RT- #55 Miles McArdle (6-3, 290, Sr.) - C
#63 Aidan Valencia (6-6, 275, So.)
TE- #85 Ross Dwelley (6-5, 240, Sr.*)
#42 Zack Holland (6-3, 230, Sr.)
QB- #18 Anthony Lawrence (6-1, 195, Jr.*)
#7 Reid Sinnett (6-4, 225, So.*)
RB- #29 Emilio Martinez (5-9, 190, Fr.)
#23 Joseph Binda, Jr. (5-10, 205, Jr.)
FB- #44 Zach Nelson (6-2, 240, So.*)
#43 Brandon Micale (5-10, 230, Fr.)
WR- #5 Michael Bandy (5-11, 190, So.)
#9 Nate Loya (5-10, 180, Jr.*)


USD Torero Defense
LE- #93 Kevin Glajchen (6-2, 245, So.)
#94 Chris Reese (6-4, 250, Fr.*)
DT- #91 Aaron Laut (6-2, 240, Jr.*)
#90 Jake Wittwer (6-2, 245, Jr.*)
NT- #99 Connor Spencer (6-3, 285, Jr.*)
#67 Myles Wilson (6-1, 245, Fr.)
RE- #95 Jonathan Petersen (6-1, 240, Sr.*) - C
#96 Nick Friedel (6-3, 235, Fr.*)
NB- #59 Max Michaels (5-9, 190, Sr.)
#47 Kama Kamaka (6-1, 195, Fr.)
MB- #58 Marcus Vaivao (5-11, 225, Jr.)
#32 Manoah Tuiasosopo (6-0, 215, Jr.)
WB- #37 Kim Mahoney (6-2, 220, Jr.*)
#50 Kyle Bilchik (5-10, 225, Fr.)
LCB- #27 Arrion Archie (6-0, 183, Jr.)
#25 David Tolbert (5-9, 172, So.)
SS- #21 Colton Giorgi (6-1, 208, Sr.)
#20 Jack Michael (5-11, 177, So.*)
FS- #28 Ray Clark (5-11, 201, Sr.)
#22 Daniel Tolbert (5-9, 175, So.)
RCB- #17 Kishan Patel (5-9, 172, Sr.*)
#4 Michael Hawkins (6-0, 173, Fr.)

[Bison 4 Life]

DEs built like linebackers.


Me likey.

[SDbison]

If the Bison play like they are capable they will dump truck San Diego.

[tjbison]

Let's not forget NAU FAKE punted like 300 times and gave USD awesome field position

[bruinbison]

Was wondering why the 1 San Diego OLineman towered over the other OL.
Cooney is 6’ 8” 315. Next tallest OL is 6’ 3”.

Was impressed by San Diego on offense, they have their own version of Jake Wieneke/Dallas Goedert. 6’ 3” 212 WR Justin Priest with 71 receptions, 14.7 ypc and 13 TD’s. 6’ 5” 240 TE Ross Dwelley with 47 receptions, 13.5 ypc and 10 TD’s.
RB Emilio Martinez already over 1000 yards, averages 5.5 ypc with 10 TD’s. Smaller RB at 5’ 9” 190.
Their QB Anthony Lawrence with an amazing TD/Int ratio of 33/2. No matter the level of football - wow! Completes 2/3 of his passes and has 3049 yards on the season, 13 ypr. On the season Lawrence has not been a running threat, 71 yards total, 38 yards net.
Torreroes only chance against the Bison is to score, and score some more......keep their D on the sidelines.

Check out this reception against Northern Arizona by WR Priest,
R J Urzendowski-esque......

https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/934661064758906881/video/1

[KNOW IT ALL]

Only if we use them.

NO Shit! The forgotten position in Bison Football. What's even more scary is the fact that our backs are dinged of late and the TE's only get 1-2 looks per game.

[KNOW IT ALL]

Watched about half of the SD and UNA game, VERY impressed with SD, FAST!!!! May be a bit light but very quick. QB is playing at a high level as well. I wouldn't want to come out flat or turn the ball over too much as I think this SD team is more salty than last years and that game was no blow-out for the better part of the game. PLay well early and often and the Bison will be in good shape, don't drag this one out.

[djohnk]

Watched about half of the SD and UNA game, VERY impressed with SD, FAST!!!! May be a bit light but very quick. QB is playing at a high level as well. I wouldn't want to come out flat or turn the ball over too much as I think this SD team is more salty than last years and that game was no blow-out for the better part of the game. PLay well early and often and the Bison will be in good shape, don't drag this one out.

I agree, that team last year was no push-over ... I am glad they don't have that running back, Jonah Hodges, this year because he gave us some serious problems last year. I think Hodges signed up in the CFL.

[tolnabison]

NO Shit! The forgotten position in Bison Football. What's even more scary is the fact that our backs are dinged of late and the TE's only get 1-2 looks per game.

Wentz and Illies combined for 4 catches 144 yards and 2 TDS against USD. And the Illinois St. game we weren’t going to throw it to anyone at any position if we didn’t have too.

What backs are dinged as of late?

I agree though our TEs should be involved more. Very talented and diverse group. With more talent redshirting.

[MNLonghorn10]

I agree, that team last year was no push-over ... I am glad they don't have that running back, Jonah Hodges, this year because he gave us some serious problems last year. I think Hodges signed up in the CFL.Hodges was good.. And his parents were awesome.

[G_Funky]

I think their yearly stats are all relative...they play powerhouses to the likes of Drake and Butler. Any team in the Mo Val...2017 ISUb included...would run that conference easy. And they’d be putting up stupid stats along the way.


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[THEsocalledfan]

I think their yearly stats are all relative...they play powerhouses to the likes of Drake and Butler. Any team in the Mo Val...2017 ISUb included...would run that conference easy. And they’d be putting up stupid stats along the way.

I have to disagree with this, due to San Diego alone. San Diego plays crap teams, but they crush crap teams. Yes, they lost to Princeton, but they are likely about the same ability as Princeton, they stomped a Northern Arizona team that had success against the Valley. Per Sagarin, they are ahead of three MVFC teams.

This is a decent team which is why I don't buy the "non-scholarship" stuff. They are somehow funding these guys or they have a bunch of good players who really, really like the beach. You need to pop these guys in the nose, immediately, and make sure they never have hope in this game. I'm thinking NDSU by 20.

[EC8CH]

Check out this reception against Northern Arizona by WR Priest,
R J Urzendowski-esque......

https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/934661064758906881/video/1

Is he left handed? Otherwise RJ's not impressed.

[Professor Chaos]

I have to disagree with this, due to San Diego alone. San Diego plays crap teams, but they crush crap teams. Yes, they lost to Princeton, but they are likely about the same ability as Princeton, they stomped a Northern Arizona team that had success against the Valley. Per Sagarin, they are ahead of three MVFC teams.

This is a decent team which is why I don't buy the "non-scholarship" stuff. They are somehow funding these guys or they have a bunch of good players who really, really like the beach. You need to pop these guys in the nose, immediately, and make sure they never have hope in this game. I'm thinking NDSU by 20.
They're not as good as their game against NAU last week made them look. They're not as bad as their game earlier this season against UC Davis made them look either.

9/9/17: UC Davis 35, San Diego 7
10/21/17: Northern Arizona 45, UC Davis 31
11/25/17: San Diego 41, Northern Arizona 10

Gotta love football!

[scbison91]

I have to disagree with this, due to San Diego alone. San Diego plays crap teams, but they crush crap teams. Yes, they lost to Princeton, but they are likely about the same ability as Princeton, they stomped a Northern Arizona team that had success against the Valley. Per Sagarin, they are ahead of three MVFC teams.

This is a decent team which is why I don't buy the "non-scholarship" stuff. They are somehow funding these guys or they have a bunch of good players who really, really like the beach. You need to pop these guys in the nose, immediately, and make sure they never have hope in this game. I'm thinking NDSU by 20. It is hard to get into this school because of their high academic standards correct?

[cbline]

It is hard to get into this school because of their high academic standards correct?

Middle 50% of their ACT scores range from 26 to 30 (82nd to 94th percentiles)

[tolnabison]

WR position will be pretty interesting Saturday. With Freeman suspended, Engel kicked off. Coach K just said Shepherd is still limited with his hamstring injury that held him out of most of the USD game and all of the Illinois St. game. Said he needs to see him progress more.

We have RJ, Dimitri, and Cain that have seen significant snaps. Could see Polansky get some reps in running downs. Illies our wide or in the slot?

[tony]

I put on the replay of the NAU game on Sunday but had to do other stuff so I only saw bits of it. It seemed like every play I watched, San Diego was getting penalized - a lot of chippy stuff too. Kind of surprising, really. Don't need our guys getting sucked into that.

Just watched the first half of last year's game too... and, holy cow, we were lucky to go into half with a lead.

[Gully]

WR position will be pretty interesting Saturday. With Freeman suspended, Engel kicked off. Coach K just said Shepherd is still limited with his hamstring injury that held him out of most of the USD game and all of the Illinois St. game. Said he needs to see him progress more.

We have RJ, Dimitri, and Cain that have seen significant snaps. Could see Polansky get some reps in running downs. Illies our wide or in the slot?

Hopefully we run a lot of two tight end just and just run it over and over.

[Bison 4 Life]

Hopefully we run a lot of two tight end just and just run it over and over.

This.


Don't want to see a lot of fly patterns.

[Bison 4 Life]

So I have something that might go on early on Saturday. Any chance this is going to be on a broadcast network like GamePlan or anything?

[bri-dog]

So I have something that might go on early on Saturday. Any chance this is going to be on a broadcast network like GamePlan or anything?

It has not been updated on ESPN College Extra's schedule yet, but it should be within the next day or so. Pretty sure they'll ALL be on DIRECTV (they were last week)...

[Bison 4 Life]

It has not been updated on ESPN College Extra's schedule yet, but it should be within the next day or so. Pretty sure they'll ALL be on DIRECTV (they were last week)...

ah yes, College extra. Shows how long it's been since I've had to look for a game.

[StL Bison Fan]

So I have something that might go on early on Saturday. Any chance this is going to be on a broadcast network like GamePlan or anything?

Are you crazy??!! What could be more important than watching the game??
(Feel free to add purple if it's for your kids)

[bri-dog]

ah yes, College extra. Shows how long it's been since I've had to look for a game.

Meh, that's understandable. I think this is only their second year of the new name after a few years of the old one. I still struggle to remember the name sometimes.

[Bison 4 Life]

Are you crazy??!! What could be more important than watching the game??
(Feel free to add purple if it's for your kids)

My thing is not for my kids but it's from 12-3 in Columbus. Game is at 3 so I need to find somewhere there to watch it. I can go to a sports bar and watch it just fine.

[tony]

Meh, that's understandable. I think this is only their second year of the new name after a few years of the old one. I still struggle to remember the name sometimes.

Has every Bison game this year been on College Extra? Sure seems like it.

[bri-dog]

Has every Bison game this year been on College Extra? Sure seems like it.

Yes. I remember sending them numerous emails a few years ago ragging on them for their game choices. Presbyterian, Bryant, etc. I even sent them attendance figures for their games (all were in the 1000-5000 range) and how #1 NDSU was playing #3 Youngstown or something like that in front of a packed house in Fargo. I doubt that they paid attention, but I think the College GameDay appearances and National Championships opened their eyes a little. I think I had to stream ONE game last year on ESPN3, the rest were all on College Extra.

[BattleBorn]

Has every Bison game this year been on College Extra? Sure seems like it.

I have watched nearly every Bison game on College Extra this year. The bar down the street makes sure we are always on one of their TVs, so that is pretty cool. I even had my largest watch party a couple weeks back (3 of us). Moving on up!

[Hammerhead]

I thought we were playing South Dakota over this logo.

http://www.usd.edu/-/media/files/marketing-and-university-relations/logos/usd-horizontal-logo-digital.ashx?la=en

[bri-dog]

Here's a link to the schedule on College Extra; channels won't be assigned on DTV until at least tomorrow afternoon (that's usually the way it goes, anyway).

http://www.espn.com/espncollegeextra/#schedule

[G_Funky]

I have to disagree with this, due to San Diego alone. San Diego plays crap teams, but they crush crap teams. Yes, they lost to Princeton, but they are likely about the same ability as Princeton, they stomped a Northern Arizona team that had success against the Valley. Per Sagarin, they are ahead of three MVFC teams.

This is a decent team which is why I don't buy the "non-scholarship" stuff. They are somehow funding these guys or they have a bunch of good players who really, really like the beach. You need to pop these guys in the nose, immediately, and make sure they never have hope in this game. I'm thinking NDSU by 20.

my point was more to their competition aiding in their impressive numbers. Yes, they are crushing teams...but thats really not that impressive. Their situation is much similar to ours when you talk us playing FBS teams. We may run the MVFC and we may have won 5 natties out of 7 years in the play offs...but that doesnt make me think we could go beat the top half of any power 5 conference.

im not saying they don't deserve respect...but folks raving about how great this squad is are just setting themselves up to say "told ya so" later on if, by some odd shift of the planets, this is a game.

[tony]

im not saying they don't deserve respect...but folks raving about how great this squad is are just setting themselves up to say "told ya so" later on if, by Tsome odd shift of the planets, this is a game.

Hah, I can take a whole lot of "I told you so" if I'm getting it served up because the Bison have won big.

I lose nothing by acknowledging that an NDSU opponent could be tough to beat or that they've had a good season.

[ZHerd]

my point was more to their competition aiding in their impressive numbers. Yes, they are crushing teams...but thats really not that impressive. Their situation is much similar to ours when you talk us playing FBS teams. We may run the MVFC and we may have won 5 natties out of 7 years in the play offs...but that doesnt make me think we could go beat the top half of any power 5 conference.

im not saying they don't deserve respect...but folks raving about how great this squad is are just setting themselves up to say "told ya so" later on if, by some odd shift of the planets, this is a game.

Not true. I said I wouldn't be surprised if this was close because I wouldn't be surprised if this is close. SD is a decent team and NDSU isn't like previous seasons where we simply didn't have weakness/weak links. This team has weaknesses and I simply don't have the confidence in the outcome that I use to have. NDSU could level them or....I think pretty much any team remaining could give us a game.

[thebigund]

I'll be watching the trenches very closely early on. NAU was made to look like a seive on the OL. I know NDSU has a much better OL than them but I'm still curious to see if SD's DL can provide a test. NDSU is more vulneralbe at the OT position than in previous years.

[ZHerd]

I'll be watching the trenches very closely early on. NAU was made to look like a seive on the OL. I know NDSU has a much better OL than them but I'm still curious to see if SD's DL can provide a test. NDSU is more vulneralbe at the OT position than in previous years.

I don't know if SD has returning starters on their D line but we had trouble running on them last year. They are smallish but that doesn't always matter. We should still be better than them in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I really want to see our DTs up their level of play. They are making very few plays

[Professor Chaos]

Not true. I said I wouldn't be surprised if this was close because I wouldn't be surprised if this is close. SD is a decent team and NDSU isn't like previous seasons where we simply didn't have weakness/weak links. This team has weaknesses and I simply don't have the confidence in the outcome that I use to have. NDSU could level them or....I think pretty much any team remaining could give us a game.
This has been said literally every year since 2012. We put past championship teams up on a pedestals and forget their warts because of their playoff runs but there was always weaknesses in past teams except for probably 2013. In 2011 the defense gave up 300+ yards per game on average (never been over that since). In 2012 the offensive pass efficiency was the worst it has been since 2010. In 2014 the red zone efficiency was down and the penalties per game were up from previous years along with having the worst run defense (allowed nearly 5 yards per carry in the playoffs) of any team since 2010. In 2015 the production of the run game was bad early in the year and the pass defense took a big step back. Last year 3rd down defense took a huge hit from where it had been previous years.

Every team outside of the 2013 team had weaknesses just like this team does. The margin for error is only a couple plays once you make it to the playoffs. Both the 2012 and 2014 teams were a couple plays away from a disappointing end to the season like we had last year. Just sit back and enjoy the story of the 2017 Bison and don't compare it to the stories of previous championship teams with chapters still to be written.

[ZHerd]

This has been said literally every year since 2012. We put past championship teams up on a pedestals and forget their warts because of their playoff runs but there was always weaknesses in past teams except for probably 2013. In 2011 the defense gave up 300+ yards per game on average (never been over that since). In 2012 the offensive pass efficiency was the worst it has been since 2010. In 2014 the red zone efficiency was down and the penalties per game were up from previous years along with having the worst run defense (allowed nearly 5 yards per carry in the playoffs) of any team since 2010. In 2015 the production of the run game was bad early in the year and the pass defense took a big step back. Last year 3rd down defense took a huge hit from where it had been previous years.

Every team outside of the 2013 team had weaknesses just like this team does. The margin for error is only a couple plays once you make it to the playoffs. Both the 2012 and 2014 teams were a couple plays away from a disappointing end to the season we had last year. Just sit back and enjoy the story of the 2017 Bison and don't compare it to the stories of previous championship teams with chapters still to be written.

I read you in that it's always easy to find something to pick at but there were several seasons when I was telling people that the Bison don't have any weak links. The biggest difference still imo is the defense is good but no longer dominating. There were a few seasons where they could make any offense look bad. I would love to see the D really turn it up now for the playoff run. The list of things needed for that to happen isn't large.
Edit: I was doubting the D going into the 15 playoffs too and they surprised me and just crushed it. That was a blast

[tony]

I don't know if SD has returning starters on their D line but we had trouble running on them last year. They are smallish but that doesn't always matter. We should still be better than them in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I really want to see our DTs up their level of play. They are making very few plays

Well, last year sweeps sure weren't working - pretty much a guaranteed 4 yard loss.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's last year's game between NDSU and San Diego if anyone cares to rewatch it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evi2p-0vN0M

On a related note that channel (The Game) hasn't posted a single video in 9 months so doesn't look like they're doing FCS playoff games anymore. Too bad since that was my go-to place to rewatch Bison playoff games.

[Bisonator98]

Re-watching last years game and last weeks I think we will need to chuck the pigskin a bit more. That appears to be SD's weakness as NAU's biggest plays were PI's against SD. Hopefully Stick is ready to sling it!

[thebigund]

I don't know if SD has returning starters on their D line but we had trouble running on them last year. They are smallish but that doesn't always matter. We should still be better than them in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I really want to see our DTs up their level of play. They are making very few plays

According to the ESPN guys that called their last game one of their DEs is up for the Buchanan.

[thebigund]

Re-watching last years game and last weeks I think we will need to chuck the pigskin a bit more. That appears to be SD's weakness as NAU's biggest plays were PI's against SD. Hopefully Stick is ready to sling it!
Even with their 2 best WRs out NAU had guys streaking down field and open. The qb never had time to really heave the ball and missed a bunch of throws. I don't think you guys have that kind of speed at WR though. NAU has a ton of speedy wrs. I'd expect the same old same old. Run the ball all day. Struggle for the first half. Wear them down. Run away in the mid 3rd and into the 4th.

[bruinbison]

According to the ESPN guys that called their last game one of their DEs is up for the Buchanan.

He is threatening the FCS career record for sacks



FCS sack leader Petersen has 41 for his career, just 1 1/2 shy of former Southern Utah standout James Cowser's record



Jonathan Petersen - 6’ 1” 240 - SR

NDSU - San Diego preview:

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20171129100222784828804&ref=rec&tm=&src=FCS

More on Petersen:



STATS FCS Preseason All-America 2nd Team and First Team All-PFL


http://www.usdtoreros.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/jonathan_petersen_887473.html

[tony]

Re-watching last years game and last weeks I think we will need to chuck the pigskin a bit more. That appears to be SD's weakness as NAU's biggest plays were PI's against SD. Hopefully Stick is ready to sling it!

Haha! I watched that first half and was "WTF are we always lining up in shotgun so much?" I can't imagine what the GDT was like especially when we kept running sweeps for a minimum loss of 4 yards (not sure why we thought they'd work against JMU.)

Note: They get to call the plays because they know what they're doing even if I don't get it. That said, I would like to see NDSU run between the hashes with Stick under center. They were collapsing inside like crazy - Bruce might blow right through that based on how he ran against ISU-Red. Brooks might too, but he can also bounce it outside and burn them that way. Body blow, body blow, play action (mix and repeat.)

[Christopher Moen]

Here's last year's game between NDSU and San Diego if anyone cares to rewatch it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evi2p-0vN0M

On a related note that channel (The Game) hasn't posted a single video in 9 months so doesn't look like they're doing FCS playoff games anymore. Too bad since that was my go-to place to rewatch Bison playoff games.

My guess the site got too many complaints. However, it seems a lot of videos along with new ones are on this YouTube site now: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkEwoxjFld0WPtVyWdroz9w/featured

[Professor Chaos]

Haha! I watched that first half and was "WTF are we always lining up in shotgun so much?" I can't imagine what the GDT was like especially when we kept running sweeps for a minimum loss of 4 yards (not sure why we thought they'd work against JMU.)

Note: They get to call the plays because they know what they're doing even if I don't get it. That said, I would like to see NDSU run between the hashes with Stick under center. They were collapsing inside like crazy - Bruce might blow right through that based on how he ran against ISU-Red. Brooks might too, but he can also bounce it outside and burn them that way. Body blow, body blow, play action (mix and repeat.)
I also think play action is much more effective when Stick is under center rather than in the shotgun. Might just be my perception but when the running back is getting the handoff at nearly full speed and the QB has his back turned to the defense it seems like the defense is forced to react quicker thus making it more likely the back 7 gets sucked in on play action.


My guess the site got too many complaints. However, it seems a lot of videos along with new ones are on this YouTube site now: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkEwoxjFld0WPtVyWdroz9w/featured
Nice! I saw that channel also had the San Diego/NDSU game from last year so hopefully they'll get them up this year. It's just so much easier to watch game replays on YouTube over ESPN3. No commercials and easier to go back/skip ahead.

[G_Funky]

I also think play action is much more effective when Stick is under center rather than in the shotgun. Might just be my perception but when the running back is getting the handoff at nearly full speed and the QB has his back turned to the defense it seems like the defense is forced to react quicker thus making it more likely the back 7 gets sucked in on play action.

Messingham called a lights out game against USD and did what he had to against ISUr in the elements. I think he’s clicking right now, he’s had 2 weeks to get his game plan finalized, and I think he’s going to mix it up well. San Diego has to sell out on the run...they’re just too small to play 7 on 7...working the seams on play action and putting Easton in high percentage situations will be critical. I could see Wentz and Illies produce on USD (coyote) type levels. If we hurt them in play action, so that they have to stay honest on the run..they’ll still have to loosen up and at that point we’ll rip them on the ground.


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[Professor Chaos]

Messingham called a lights out game against USD and did what he had to against ISUr in the elements. I think he’s clicking right now, he’s had 2 weeks to get his game plan finalized, and I think he’s going to mix it up well. San Diego has to sell out on the run...they’re just too small to play 7 on 7...working the seams on play action and putting Easton in high percentage situations will be critical. I could see Wentz and Illies produce on USD (coyote) type levels. If we hurt them in play action, so that they have to stay honest on the run..they’ll still have to loosen up and at that point we’ll rip them on the ground.


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Agreed. Last year they targeted the TEs quite a bit early in the game against San Diego and I think this year they can do the same and use the pass to set up the run.

[CAS4127]

The T’s are better than most here are giving them credit for me thinks—> https://twitter.com/fgosportswriter/status/936009096842698752


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[Professor Chaos]

Looks like it'll be a beautiful early December day for a tailgate on Saturday. Weather Channel says mostly sunny skies, high 44, winds SSW at 5-10 mph.

[Faron79]

I'm getting so pumped for this game!!! Hope I don't break an axle on my knee-scooter getting into the dome!!! :blush:

[wisco4]

The T’s are better than most here are giving them credit for me thinks—> https://twitter.com/fgosportswriter/status/936009096842698752


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They sure are. This is going to be a good football game, they are well coached and disciplined. Hopefully we're healthy enough on O-line to be able to run the ball consistently.

[Bison03]

JJ just said on the Insiders that San Diego’s entrance video will be played Saturday. I could care less that this happens but what a dumb rule from the NCAA.

[StL Bison Fan]

JJ just said on the Insiders that San Diego’s entrance video will be played Saturday. I coupd care less that this happens but what a dumb rule from the NCAA.

That's ok. Would like to see what others have. Play it. Send them out. Then they can watch ours

[JMB]

Haha! I watched that first half and was "WTF are we always lining up in shotgun so much?" I can't imagine what the GDT was like especially when we kept running sweeps for a minimum loss of 4 yards (not sure why we thought they'd work against JMU.)

Note: They get to call the plays because they know what they're doing even if I don't get it. That said, I would like to see NDSU run between the hashes with Stick under center. They were collapsing inside like crazy - Bruce might blow right through that based on how he ran against ISU-Red. Brooks might too, but he can also bounce it outside and burn them that way. Body blow, body blow, play action (mix and repeat.)

I did see an article once just after Bohl went to Wyoming, that one reason to run wide is to make the defense pursue the width of the field to tire them out. Could be bull $#it for all I know, but an interesting theory. (Of course if you go three and out consistently, probably doesn't work well.)

[StL Bison Fan]

I did see an article once just after Bohl went to Wyoming, that one reason to run wide is to make the defense pursue the width of the field to tire them out. Could be bull $#it for all I know, but an interesting theory. (Of course if you go three and out consistently, probably doesn't work well.)

Bohl said many times that you have to run their big guys side to side.

[bri-dog]

So I have something that might go on early on Saturday. Any chance this is going to be on a broadcast network like GamePlan or anything?

Confirmed on my DIRECTV guide, the channel is 794...

[Faron79]

Had a weird thought..... Should the Bison go on offense FIRST in this game if they win toss?!?!?!? They can see the T's defense right away in this case????? Put them on their heels right away???? :duel:

Faron

[CAS4127]

Had a weird thought..... Should the Bison go on offense FIRST in this game if they win toss?!?!?!? They can see the T's defense right away in this case????? Put them on their heels right away???? :duel:

Faron

Yeah, and maybe go 5 wide, no huddle/hurry-up on O—>Bob’s Titt-like.[emoji849]


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[Faron79]

Yeah!! Hurry-up may be a good surprise...right off the bat! I like it! Kind of a "Blitzkreig" right away....
:cool::nod::cheers:
Faron

[Scooter1]

I think some are giving USD too much credit.
There is no way NDSU loses this game.
Quite a few of the defensive starters for NDSU in the game last year will be on the sidelines as back ups and Deluca and Tanguay are back. Allison, Wimbush, Dempsey and Grimsley are better than last year...Cox is an upgrade

Bison by 3+ TD. They can not hang physically with NDSU for 4 quarters.

[SDbison]

I think some are giving USD too much credit. I've been following these guys for 8+ years. My nephew just graduated from San Diego.
There is no way NDSU loses this game.
Quite a few of the defensive starters for NDSU in the game last year will be on the sidelines as back ups and Deluca and Tanguay are back. Allison, Wimbush, Dempsey and Grimsley are better than last year...Cox is an upgrade

Bison by 3+ TD. They can not hang physically with NDSU for 4 quarters. I agree 100% except Bison will win by 4+ TD's.

[gumby013]

USD flew in late yesterday, so no flight stalking today.

[tjbison]

USD flew in late yesterday, so no flight stalking today.

I thought they were coming this am, coach said that in an interview

Trickery??

[gumby013]

I thought they were coming this am, coach said that in an interview

Trickery??

Must have been trying to get in before the...clear skies.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8611

[cbline]

USD flew in late yesterday, so no flight stalking today.

Shoot, I was waiting and waiting for your flight stalking post! Some traditions die hard.

[ZHerd]

USD flew in late yesterday, so no flight stalking today.

Those dirty, rotten....

[IzzyFlexion]

Must have been trying to get in before the...clear skies.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8611

I'm pretty sure that they took off heading west.

Likely willing to spend an additional 46 hours in the air in order to avoid being "air stalked".

[Hammerhead]

Is USD staying at the Radisson in the rooms where the exterior panels blew off?

[Mr Pep Band]

Is USD staying at the Radisson in the rooms where the exterior panels blew off?

Did the panels get blown off due to that SOUTHERN SPEED?! :rofl:

[Bisonator98]

USD flew in late yesterday, so no flight stalking today.

I didn't think I could hate them more, beautiful location, excellent academics, well coached, but now this too? Those bastards!:mad:

[BisonAccountant44]

USD flew in late yesterday, so no flight stalking today.This isn't their first road trip, they're onto you.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171201/779b890a2b369db219467db35050230a.jpg

Their graphic does need to be updated though. Add another 2,900 this weekend and 714 for last.

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[bruinbison]

I didn't think I could hate them more, beautiful location, excellent academics, well coached, but now this too? Those bastards!:mad:

San Diego being San Diego SoCal, there is this also to add to your anger.....

http://www.usdtoreros.com/sports/c-spirit-team/usd-c-spirit-team-body.html

[bruinbison]

San Diego was 8-0 in conference, 23-7 over Dayton being their closest game. (Dayton lost 13-10 to Robert Morris)
In another sign of their Pioneer Conference domination they had 19 players named all-conference (59 players total)

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/usd/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2017-18/misc_non_event/2017AllPFL.pdf

[SoCalBison]

Did the panels get blown off due to that SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA SPEED?! :rofl:

FIFY 10 char

[GreenfieldBison]

San Diego being San Diego SoCal, there is this also to add to your anger.....

http://www.usdtoreros.com/sports/c-spirit-team/usd-c-spirit-team-body.html

Yeah well, their tax rates are really high so... there's that.

[bruinbison]

Game preview:



Toreros hope to pull off stunner against North Dakota State



http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/sd-sp-usdfoot-1202-story.html



But the heart, soul and pulse of this team is its veteran offensive line, three of whom (tackles Miles McArdle and Daniel Cooney, plus center Joe Hurney) earned first team All-Pioneer Football League recognition.

Like NDSU, USD longs to run the football. Not only does it set up the pass, but it establishes a mentality. We’re physical. We’re coming after you. Let’s rumble.

“Those five guys up front,” said Lindsey, “they’re warriors, they’re smart and they work at it.”



And watch for this tomorrow, Toreros get to watch both videos



Before kickoff, the Bison turn off the lights inside the Fargodome, pump up the volume, flash highlights on the scoreboard and get the crowd rocking. Lindsey heard about the routine last year and not wanting his players intimidated, kept the Toreros inside the locker room.

“We ain’t doing that this year,” Lindsey said.

Confident his team will not be intimidated, Lindsey will let his players witness the show.

[Bison03]

And watch for this tomorrow, Toreros get to watch both videos

They will also be playing their video so I assume they will be out there afer it is played.

[oldmantutters]

They should play the visitors video first.

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[bri-dog]

A little tailgating after pre-game golf. Just another crappy weather day in Colorado. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171202/3b1592252956aef34a32a04b24479947.jpg


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[kristind]

A little tailgating after pre-game golf. Just another crappy weather day in Colorado. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171202/3b1592252956aef34a32a04b24479947.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLooks like fun! Wish I was there for a conference this weekend! Little bit farther than a bus ride to join you this time unfortunately. Go Bison!