Reason #99 NDSU was right to go DI

[tony]

Just heard this on Bison1660... old USD guy was on and he mentioned their 2005 season when USD didn't make the playoffs.

So I looked: Somehow UND got selected for the playoffs despite UND and USD having identical records, USD having the head-to-head win, and UND losing their last two games of the regular season.

USD guy mentioned that UND ran the conference from Roger Thomas on down. /butnoconspiracy.

*cough* Delta State *cough*

Lesson to learn: Don't ever let UND folks represent the conference.

[SDbison]

Just heard this on Bison1660... old USD guy was on and he mentioned their 2005 season when USD didn't make the playoffs.

So I looked: Somehow UND got selected for the playoffs despite UND and USD having identical records, USD having the head-to-head win, and UND losing their last two games of the regular season.

USD guy mentioned that UND ran the conference from Roger Thomas on down. /butnoconspiracy.

*cough* Delta State *cough*

Lesson to learn: Don't ever let UND folks represent the conference.
Roger Thomas ran the NCC into the ground. How did one of the most successful DII conference ever end up taking the NSIC name when the two merged into one?

[Sun Bison]

Roger Thomas ran the NCC into the ground. How did one of the most successful DII conference ever end up taking the NSIC name when the two merged into one?

It was NDSU and Chapman's fault for leaving!

[Hammersmith]

Roger Thomas ran the NCC into the ground. How did one of the most successful DII conference ever end up taking the NSIC name when the two merged into one?

They didn't merge. The NCC died and the NSIC took on a few of the survivors that couldn't find other homes. Most of the NSIC schools wanted nothing to do with the legacy of the NCC. The NSIC was/is about cost-containment and simple participation. The NCC was about elite DII competition. Those missions were mutually exclusive. And it's not like there was a large faction of NSIC schools that wanted things different. The NCC was practically begging NSIC schools to join the NCC near the end and there were no takers besides Duluth.

NCC near the end:

Augustana - left for NSIC in 2008 after the conference collapsed
UM Duluth - joined in 2004 from NSIC to try and replace UNC/NDSU/SDSU - returned to NSIC in 2008
MSU Mankato - left for NSIC in 2008
Morningside - left for NAIA in 2002
UNO - left for MIAA in 2008
NDSU - left for DI in 2004
UND - left for DI in 2008
UNC - left for DI in 2003
SDSU - left for DI in 2004
USD - left for DI in 2008
SCSU - left for NSIC in 2008

So of the 14 schools in the NSIC in 2008, only 3 were long-time NCC schools(Augie, Mankato & St. Cloud). Not a merger.

[IzzyFlexion]

They didn't merge. The NCC died and the NSIC took on a few of the survivors that couldn't find other homes. Most of the NSIC schools wanted nothing to do with the legacy of the NCC. The NSIC was/is about cost-containment and simple participation. The NCC was about elite DII competition. Those missions were mutually exclusive. And it's not like there was a large faction of NSIC schools that wanted things different. The NCC was practically begging NSIC schools to join the NCC near the end and there were no takers besides Duluth.

NCC near the end:

Augustana - left for NSIC in 2008 after the conference collapsed
UM Duluth - joined in 2004 from NSIC to try and replace UNC/NDSU/SDSU - returned to NSIC in 2008
MSU Mankato - left for NSIC in 2008
Morningside - left for NAIA in 2002
UNO - left for MIAA in 2008
NDSU - left for DI in 2004
UND - left for DI in 2008: Just in time to lose to NAIA Sioux Falls at home by 15 in 2009.
UNC - left for DI in 2003
SDSU - left for DI in 2004
USD - left for DI in 2008
SCSU - left for NSIC in 2008

So of the 14 schools in the NSIC in 2008, only 3 were long-time NCC schools(Augie, Mankato & St. Cloud). Not a merger.

SYP (supplemented yer post).

[td577]

SYP (supplemented yer post).

That was a good supplementation. I am sure every program has a bad loss somewhere in their history, but that one has to be about the absolute worse of all time of the Dakota schools.