Week 8 Polls

[NDSUstudent]

NC A&T at #6 in the coaches poll....Doubt they would even finish 6th in the MVFC...

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[ZHerd]

NC A&T at #6 in the coaches poll....Doubt they would even finish 6th in the MVFC...

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WOW!!!.......:rofl:

[Mr. Burgundy]

their ranking is similar to when UND was ranked #5 in the country. I asked, if they are 5th...where do you think they would be in the Valley? Most people thought....6th? 7th? Well, they aren't 5th in the country then. I am just impressed that we have 3 top 10 wins. two on the road. Very impressive start. Hopefully we get a RB back this week. Gotta run it up UNI's ass.

[Bison"FANatic"]

SDSU at 8. Have they seen them play defense?????

[HazenBizon]

SDSU at 8. Have they seen them play defense?????

Playing devil's advocate, I don't think anybody has seen SDSU play defense this year.

[NDSUstudent]

AGS Week 8
1 James Madison Dukes 1920 72 1
2 North Dakota State Bison 1851 5 2
3 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1749 4
4 Central Arkansas Bears 1638 6
5 South Dakota Coyotes 1452 3
6 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1437 10
7 Elon Phoenix 1310 11
8 Western Illinois Leathernecks 1304 7
9 Wofford Terriers 1237 5
10 Samford Bulldogs 1096 17
11 Western Carolina Catamounts 922 14
12 North Carolina A&T Aggies 868 13
13 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 865 20
14T Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 863 18
14T South Dakota State Jackrabbits 863 15
16 Southern Utah Thunderbirds 645 25
17 Eastern Washington Eagles 636 8
18 Villanova Wildcats 617 16
19 Stony Brook Seawolves 569 19
20 Illinois State Redbirds 455 27
21 McNeese State Cowboys 429 21
22 Northern Iowa Panthers 415 28
23 Youngstown State Penguins 362 9
24 Richmond Spiders 347 12
25 Weber State Wildcats 340 23

ORV:
26 Montana Grizzlies 322 22
27 New Hampshire Wildcats 259 24
28 Monmouth Hawks 69 31
29 Grambling State Tigers 53 30
30 Furman Paladins 48 33
31 Nicholls State Colonels 22 32
32 Southern Illinois Salukis 15 NR
33 Columbia Lions 14 39
34T Austin Peay Governors 8 38
34T Sacramento State Hornets 8 NR
36 North Carolina Central Eagles 6 34
37 Maine Black Bears 4 NR
38T Kennesaw State Owls 3 35
38T Southeastern Louisiana Lions 3 NR
40 The Citadel Bulldogs 1 37

Most Significant Win: Samford Bulldogs
Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

[NDSUstudent]

Stats Poll
1 James Madison (7-0) 4141 (157) 1
2 North Dakota State (7-0) 3993 (9) 2
3 Jacksonville State (6-1) 3802 3
4 Central Arkansas (6-1) 3641 6
5 Sam Houston State (6-1) 3455 7
6 South Dakota (6-1) 2861 4
7 North Carolina A&T (8-0) 2688 12
8 Wofford (6-1) 2636 5
9 Samford (5-2) 2599 16
10 Elon (6-1) 2555 14
11 South Dakota State (5-2) 2536 13
12 Western Illinois (5-2) 2207 10
13 Villanova (4-3) 1856 15
14 Eastern Washington (5-3) 1806 8
15 Grambling State (6-1) 1418 17
16 Illinois State (5-2) 1312 24
17 New Hampshire (5-2) 1311 18
18 Western Carolina (6-2) 1243 19
19 Richmond (4-3) 1089 11
20 McNeese (6-1) 1055 20
21 Youngstown State (3-4) 953 9
22 Stony Brook (5-2) 671 22
23 Delaware (5-2) 668 NR
24 Montana (5-2) 634 21
25 Southern Utah (5-2) 624 NR

Others: Northern Arizona (532) , Weber State (501) , UNI (423) , Nicholls (162) , Kennesaw State (123) , Columbia (115) , Monmouth (88) , Albany (39) , Citadel (33) , Furman (33) , Southern Illinois (30) , Duquesne (22) ,North Carolina Central (20) , Charleston Southern (17) , Austin Peay (12) , Southeastern Louisiana (11) , Dartmouth (10) , Hampton (9) , Princeton (8) , Eastern Illinois (5) , Yale (2) , Montana State (1)

[Christopher Moen]

SDSU at 8. Have they seen them play defense?????

To be fair, many of those teams in the "top-10" don't play defense any better than SDSU.

[Bison03]

On the Insiders today, they said this is 100th straight week that NDSU has been ranked!! Pretty amazing stat. I bet we have been #1 for a lot of those weeks considering that in a stretch in 2012-2013, NDSU was ranked #1 for 30 straight weeks!

[southcliffbison]

With a loss this weekend, does any one think UNI would out of the top 25?

Edit; Oops, they only show up on the AGS poll.......

[NDSUstudent]

With a loss this weekend, does any one think UNI would out of the top 25?

Edit; Oops, they only show up on the AGS poll.......

They are #25 in the coaches poll as well.

[Professor Chaos]

On the Insiders today, they said this is 100th straight week that NDSU has been ranked!! Pretty amazing stat. I bet we have been #1 for a lot of those weeks considering that in a stretch in 2012-2013, NDSU was ranked #1 for 30 straight weeks!
JJ said on the coach's show Sunday that NDSU is now 90-7 since the start of 2011. So if you go back further and include the 3 playoff games in 2010 NDSU is 92-8 in their last 100 games. That's pretty good...

[MNLonghorn10]

JJ said on the coach's show Sunday that NDSU is now 90-7 since the start of 2011. So if you go back further and include the 3 playoff games in 2010 NDSU is 92-8 in their last 100 games. That's pretty good...3 of those are walk off losses, 1 overtime loss, got our ass beat by uni and who knows what happened between isub and ysu


Funny you can remember the losses but I couldn't tell you what happened VS southern Illinois in 2014

[Bison56]

3 of those are walk off losses, 1 overtime loss, got our ass beat by uni and who knows what happened between isub and ysu


Funny you can remember the losses but I couldn't tell you what happened VS southern Illinois in 2014

If the record was reversed you would remember the wins.

[MNLonghorn10]

If the record was reversed you would remember the wins.Well yea, ask any sycamore or MO State fan that

[scbison91]

JJ said on the coach's show Sunday that NDSU is now 90-7 since the start of 2011. So if you go back further and include the 3 playoff games in 2010 NDSU is 92-8 in their last 100 games. That's pretty good... Since the beginning of 2010 season the Bison are 99 and 12. Next win will be 100th in this decade.

[SC_TX]

why are the FCS polls always such a huge joke?

[Mr Meaty]

why are the FCS polls always such a huge joke?

Because there are only ten teams worth ranking and they want to have a top 25.

[stevdock]

3 of those are walk off losses, 1 overtime loss, got our ass beat by uni and who knows what happened between isub and ysu


Funny you can remember the losses but I couldn't tell you what happened VS southern Illinois in 2014

ISUB was the 2 pick 6 game that Brock threw and we still almost won. YSU DJ had a breakaway TD run that I thought the game was going to be ours if he finished it. Instead without having anyone close to him he fumbled the ball and lost it. But you are right it's really easy to remember these losses since we've had so many of them ;)

[MNLonghorn10]

ISUB was the 2 pick 6 game that Brock threw and we still almost won. YSU DJ had a breakaway TD run that I thought the game was going to be ours if he finished it. Instead without having anyone close to him he fumbled the ball and lost it. But you are right it's really easy to remember these losses since we've had so many of them ;)

right. meant who knows how mcnorton fumbles like he did or how brock threw 2 pick 6s

[El_Chapo]

Central Arkansas, North Carolina A&T, Samford and ELON IN TOP 10...

why the HELL does NDSU want to be associated with these garbage programs??

[thebootfitter]

why are the FCS polls always such a huge joke?The AGS poll is usually pretty solid. Funny thing is... That poll doesn't have as much acceptance because it is "just a fan poll." Of course the fans on AGS who participate probably know more about the entire FCS landscape than any other large collective group of people -- including regional sports writers.

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[BISONBRI53]

Like they said on the insiders... come playoff time there will be a lot of paper champions

[Hammersmith]

why are the FCS polls always such a huge joke?

The FCS coaches poll is done by SIDs, interns and grad assistants. They slot vote based on records. Total joke of a poll.

The FCS media poll is done by people who generally only know the conference of the school they cover and a few of the top FCS teams(name recognition). In most markets, the media person covering the FCS team is way down on the totem pole and is also covering about 30 other areas like high school sports and all the other small colleges. Not as bad as the coaches poll, but still pretty bad.

The AGS poll is by far the best because it's done by people who love the subdivision and who talk to each other. It's not completely unbiased(lots of MVFC & CAA voters), but it's far better than the other two and the vast majority of the voters take it seriously.

[thebootfitter]

The AGS poll is by far the best because it's done by people who love the subdivision and who talk to each other. It's not completely unbiased(lots of MVFC & CAA voters), but it's far better than the other two and the vast majority of the voters take it seriously.
Your example of bias is unfounded per the many times the moderator has checked the statistics to determine​ whether such a bias may exist. He often found a mild bias against one's own conference.

Granted, I don't think Ursus is a statistician by trade, but the numbers he has pulled have certainly been enough to nullify the idea that there may be a pro-conference bias.


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[Hammersmith]

Your example of bias is unfounded per the many times the moderator has checked the statistics to determine​ whether such a bias may exist. He often found a mild bias against one's own conference.

Granted, I don't think Ursus is a statistician by trade, but the numbers he has pulled have certainly been enough to nullify the idea that there may be a pro-conference bias.


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You misunderstood me a bit; mostly because I wasn't very clear. I think there's a bias in AGS, but it's very small and not in the obvious way. It's not that MVFC voters are biased towards MVFC teams, or CAA voters are biased towards CAA teams. I think it's biased in a similar way to the media poll, but to a far, far lesser degree. The media poll voters are biased to the teams they know. In most cases, that's just the teams in the conference of the school they cover. AGS voters are also a little biased toward the teams they know. But most AGS voters know most of the teams.

But there is a corner of the FCS that is comparatively unknown. These are the non-playoff conferences. They tend to be underrepresented on AGS(with a couple exceptions) and these conferences are so incestuous that voters don't see many of their games. I'm mainly speaking of the Ivy/Patriot and the SWAC/MEAC. Because there's so little connecting data from these conference groups to the rest of the FCS, it's hard to judge where they really rank. So I think the typical AGS voter will give the nod to a member of the power group(MVFC/CAA/BigSky/Southland/Southern/etc.) over one of the small conference schools. I'm not even saying they're wrong to do it, just that I think a very small bias exists. A bias that doesn't matter since the vast majority of the affected teams choose not to participate in the playoffs anyway.

Put another way. An MVFC voter on AGS is going to know the MVFC, Big Sky, CAA, Southland, SoCon, OVC, and maybe a little NEC and Pioneer. But knowledge of SWAC, MEAC, Big South, PFL, and Ivy is generally going to be lacking by comparison. It's just the nature of the beast. You can only watch so many hours of football each week, and keep track of so many programs. And since AGS has so many voters from that first group of schools, and so few from the second, I think you're going to see a little ignorance-based bias sneak in. But, again, it doesn't matter since just about all of that second group of schools are crap, and does it really make a difference exactly where the best Ivy team is ranked?

[thebootfitter]

You misunderstood me a bit; mostly because I wasn't very clear. I think there's a bias in AGS, but it's very small and not in the obvious way. It's not that MVFC voters are biased towards MVFC teams, or CAA voters are biased towards CAA teams. I think it's biased in a similar way to the media poll, but to a far, far lesser degree. The media poll voters are biased to the teams they know. In most cases, that's just the teams in the conference of the school they cover. AGS voters are also a little biased toward the teams they know. But most AGS voters know most of the teams.

But there is a corner of the FCS that is comparatively unknown. These are the non-playoff conferences. They tend to be underrepresented on AGS(with a couple exceptions) and these conferences are so incestuous that voters don't see many of their games. I'm mainly speaking of the Ivy/Patriot and the SWAC/MEAC. Because there's so little connecting data from these conference groups to the rest of the FCS, it's hard to judge where they really rank. So I think the typical AGS voter will give the nod to a member of the power group(MVFC/CAA/BigSky/Southland/Southern/etc.) over one of the small conference schools. I'm not even saying they're wrong to do it, just that I think a very small bias exists. A bias that doesn't matter since the vast majority of the affected teams choose not to participate in the playoffs anyway.

Put another way. An MVFC voter on AGS is going to know the MVFC, Big Sky, CAA, Southland, SoCon, OVC, and maybe a little NEC and Pioneer. But knowledge of SWAC, MEAC, Big South, PFL, and Ivy is generally going to be lacking by comparison. It's just the nature of the beast. You can only watch so many hours of football each week, and keep track of so many programs. And since AGS has so many voters from that first group of schools, and so few from the second, I think you're going to see a little ignorance-based bias sneak in. But, again, it doesn't matter since just about all of that second group of schools are crap, and does it really make a difference exactly where the best Ivy team is ranked?

That's fair. I can see your point and mostly agree. I suspect, though, that the nature of the discussion on AGS can help bring to light some of the teams from the "lesser known" conferences if they are worthy of consideration in the poll.

I think there's also a decent amount of historical justification for giving less weight to a team from one of those conferences with a nice shiny W/L record. More often than not, they don't make it past the first round of playoffs.

All things considered, I don't think you can expect to remove all bias from any record of subjective human opinion. But I still maintain that AGS is the most fair and accurate FCS poll out there. (Of course, THAT opinion is a little biased too. He he.)

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[Professor Chaos]

That's fair. I can see your point and mostly agree. I suspect, though, that the nature of the discussion on AGS can help bring to light some of the teams from the "lesser known" conferences if they are worthy of consideration in the poll.

I think there's also a decent amount of historical justification for giving less weight to a team from one of those conferences with a nice shiny W/L record. More often than not, they don't make it past the first round of playoffs.

All things considered, I don't think you can expect to remove all bias from any record of subjective human opinion. But I still maintain that AGS is the most fair and accurate FCS poll out there. (Of course, THAT opinion is a little biased too. He he.)

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There's no denying that year in and year out the AGS Poll more accurately reflects what the selection committee says in terms of seedings and at-large selections than either of the "national polls". The proof is in the pudding.