Messingham Orders Vanilla at Coldstone!!

[El_Chapo]

wow, that was some borrrrring offensive play calling.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz

30 runs in 1 half????


this guy makes Vigen look like "chuck the pigskin":facepalm:

[Kevin]

Good.


(ten characters)

[Bison03]

Yeah...boring playcalling that leads to big leads sure does suck. Wish we were airing it out more like E Wash. Your football analysis is frightening...

[NDSUBowler]

Yeah how dare they stick with run in the first half where they averaged 7 yards a rush.

[EC8CH]

HoF thread. Would buy again.

[GOBISON123]

There was a stark difference in the game after those to two Eagle players went down with injuries. We didn't gain much on the ground when those two guys were in the game.

[MNLonghorn10]

Im going to side with chapo on this one...found myself watching games on cbs, abc and LHN more than the ndsu game, it was that boring.


Feel for the fans who drove all that way to witness a snoozefest

[Green1]

Im going to side with chapo on this one...found myself watching games on cbs, abc and LHN more than the ndsu game, it was that boring.


Feel for the fans who drove all that way to witness a snoozefest



This is shocking!

[tony]

There was a stark difference in the game after those to two Eagle players went down with injuries. We didn't gain much on the ground when those two guys were in the game.

So you are saying the running so much was a savvy situational move?

[GOBISON123]

So you are saying the running so much was a savvy situational move?

It worked out in a big way. We gained a lot of yards after those two guy were out.

[HerdBot]

I would give Messingham an 11 on a scale of 10. Would have been higher had he thrown a few less passes and ran a bit less shotgun.

[BisonTeacher]

wow, that was some borrrrring offensive play calling.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz

30 runs in 1 half????


this guy makes Vigen look like "chuck the pigskin":facepalm:

Run the damn ball. If you don't like it shut up.

[Jay]

Trollolololol

[BisonTeacher]

Trollolololol

Right. Someone must not have gotten enough attention this week.

[Hammerhead]

Scoring 40 points is boring?

[EC8CH]

Bet he orders his vanilla in Gotta Have It too.

[Bison 4 Life]

http://nocoastbias.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/1861114.jpg

[bisonmike2]

Coldstones vanilla kicks ass. What am I missing?

[mtoutfitter]

Damn but some on this board are such TOOLS!! Go FBS, Go FBS, Go FBS.....dominating win and it's boring, too many run plays!! We don't some just root for a different team?

[BisonTeacher]

Of all the things that could be criticized today, missed xp, fumbles...the last thing on my mind was play calling. Hell they even went for it on a 4th. Even though we fumbled.

[NDSUstudent]

Last time I checked the formula for dominating EWU is to run the ball down their throat until they can stop it, you don't want to get into a shootout with them like last year.

[EC8CH]

Play calling today was beautiful. And they really only ran Stick when it was so open it was literally a joke. Think about that for a moment. EWU run D sucks, but there is another entire dimension to the Bison run game who's surface has barely been scratched.

[Green1]

Absolutely loved the play calling. Run the plays until they prove they can stop it....




... they didn't stop it. lol

[Rock]

Absolutely loved the play calling. Run the plays until they prove they can stop it....




... they didn't stop it. lol

Run even if they can stop it. In 2012 and even 13 I think ndsu was pretty close at the half in a lot of games. Then stomped on throats in the 4th.

Seems like a lot of teams would "happen" to lose good players, important in stopping the run when ndsu has kept after them.

Nothing cheap, just hard nosed football.


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[Bison4peat]

Im going to side with chapo on this one...found myself watching games on cbs, abc and LHN more than the ndsu game, it was that boring.


Feel for the fans who drove all that way to witness a snoozefest

Row the boat!!! Yes!!!!!!

[Rock]

There was a stark difference in the game after those to two Eagle players went down with injuries. We didn't gain much on the ground when those two guys were in the game.

You might get more people on board using the preferred fire x save y template.


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[MNLonghorn10]

Damn but some on this board are such TOOLS!! Go FBS, Go FBS, Go FBS.....dominating win and it's boring, too many run plays!! We don't some just root for a different team?

wait...you think FCS is fun?

[bri-dog]

Trollolololol

I thought it was Trorrororororarararara

Alright, is anyone gonna get that one? :)

[Bison4peat]

wait...you think FCS is fun?

Moving up to FBS is not talked about on this board. Row, Row, Row

[mtoutfitter]

wait...you think FCS is fun?

It is what it is...but constantly bemoaning the fact and taking every round-a-bout shot you can on a fan forum is not gonna change it! I for one am just a fan of Bison football and come here to hear news and observations no matter the level. I guess us rural folks are just more apt to be happy with a good product.

[scottietohottie]

Thank you Tim Polasek... Ah shit wrong thread.

[EC8CH]

I thought it was Trorrororororarararara

Alright, is anyone gonna get that one? :)

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTI4NjgwOTIzN15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNjU1MzE5._V1_U X182_CR0,0,182,268_AL_.jpg
?

[El_Chapo]

#1 I made that at halftime, when I literally watch 25-30 people get up and walk out of zorbaz since they were so bored....they were mostly Iowa, OSU, Oklahoma fans..

#2 run 30 times in a half?

#3 NDSU has Bob Morris, Misery State, Indiana St next 3 games...talk about Snoozefest! Play Henry Van Dellen , Adam Cofield, Ben Ellefson..give the youngsters some PT

[bri-dog]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTI4NjgwOTIzN15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNjU1MzE5._V1_U X182_CR0,0,182,268_AL_.jpg
?

Well, I was actually going for this, but what the hell. I'm drunk... :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miBKPwVtxFU

[MNLonghorn10]

It is what it is...but constantly bemoaning the fact and taking every round-a-bout shot you can on a fan forum is not gonna change it! I for one am just a fan of Bison football and come here to hear news and observations no matter the level. I guess us rural folks are just more apt to be happy with a good product.

Oh. Weird..

[Bison4peat]

Oh. Weird..

Weak...:facepalm:

[MNLonghorn10]

Weak...:facepalm:

No row??:rofl:

[Bison4peat]

No row??:rofl:

Sorry, row bitch. We are destroying some beaver.

[MNLonghorn10]

Sorry, row bitch. We are destroying some beaver.

haha. not sure what i did warranted Jr High name calling but ok.

[Bison4peat]

haha. not sure what i did warranted Jr High name calling but ok.
You have a point. Sorry about that. Just a plain old row:)

[56BISON73]

Of all the things that could be criticized today, missed xp, fumbles...the last thing on my mind was play calling. Hell they even went for it on a 4th. Even though we fumbled.

Well when you run the ball and rip off 60 yards on the first drive then get to the red zone and start passing? Yeah that was a head scratcher. I mean we got what.....3 first downs on 3 plays?
When you have a team on their heels you.keep hammering them.

[02Bison]

wow, that was some borrrrring offensive play calling.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz

30 runs in 1 half????


this guy makes Vigen look like "chuck the pigskin":facepalm:

Are you advocating Big Fluffy football style of play for NDSU? I hope not. All that high flying offense means jack squat come playoff time against a physical ground and pound team.

[Bison20]

Yea I hate watching our line destroy guys and Bruce run over people. It's so boring to only score 40 points. We should throw it 3 plays then punt. Quit using plays that work and break the other teams will, that's just silly.

[BisoninNWMN]

What a moronic thread.....nothing unusual for lil lakes.

Running game was working....stick with it.

[HerdBot]

I find 7 yards a carry between Bruce and Lance way more exciting than chucking the ball every other play. I actually enjoy watching EWU pass because watching their QB run for his life is exciting.

Ewu 4.5 yards per pass
Ndsu 6.0 yards per rush

[IzzyFlexion]

TOP: 42:40.

A team simply cannot lose a game possessing the ball for nearly 43 minutes.

I like wins.

[SDbison]

Nothing wrong with the game plan for yesterday, but if the Bison offense becomes predictable and shows no downfield threat the 3 and outs will happen too often and that great Bison defense will get worn out. I think the Bison can beat any team in college football if they have the capability to mix in and complete some good mid to deep pass plays.

[scottietohottie]

Nothing wrong with the game plan for yesterday, but if the Bison offense becomes predictable and shows no downfield threat the 3 and outs will happen too often and that great Bison defense will get worn out. I think the Bison can beat any team in college football if they have the capability to mix in and complete some good mid to deep pass plays.

Desmond Cain. Mvfv newcomer of the year. Just saving him for conference play.

[Professor Chaos]

Nothing wrong with the game plan for yesterday, but if the Bison offense becomes predictable and shows no downfield threat the 3 and outs will happen too often and that great Bison defense will get worn out. I think the Bison can beat any team in college football if they have the capability to mix in and complete some good mid to deep pass plays.
I thought pass protection was pretty rough yesterday. The Rams did a great job run blocking but Stick was getting harrassed pretty good unless the ball was out immediately after he hit his drop. Improve the pass protection a bit and the offensive balance will come.

In a homage to Matthew Berry's "You heard me" here's mine following the first couple games of the year. I think this year NDSU has the best set of pass catching WRs and TEs they've ever had. RJ, Shepherd, Dez Cain, Illies, Jenson, and Wentz are better than any top 6 the Bison have ever thrown out there in terms of receivers. You heard me. Give Stick time and those guys will make great plays for him.

[MAKBison]

Desmond Cain. Mvfv newcomer of the year. Just saving him for conference play.

He must have some break away speed....Seems like opponents love to hold that guy. He has been targeted 4 or 5 times and 2 called penalties with a 3rd missed call

[El_Chapo]

well with Bob Morris Misery St and Indiana state coming up the snooze fest will continue and Messingham will have his punch card to stone cold filled...

seriously these 1st 5 games of the season is just embarassing for NDSU football "Bring on the Competition?"

[Bisonator98]

That was Bison football. If you don't like it go be a Sam Houston State fan and enjoy the ass kicking come playoff time.

[daddy daycare]

There's a lot of dumb stuff on the internet today, but this might take the cake.

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

wow, that was some borrrrring offensive play calling.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz

30 runs in 1 half????


this guy makes Vigen look like "chuck the pigskin":facepalm:

Once again Chapo's post-game analysis is spot on. :facepalm:

I guess it's not enough to totally dominate your opponent anymore.

[thebigund]

wow, that was some borrrrring offensive play calling.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz

30 runs in 1 half????


this guy makes Vigen look like "chuck the pigskin":facepalm:

Apparently it's vanilla with sprinkles.

[bisonpride4ever]

Apparently it's vanilla with sprinkles.

Well sprinkles are for winners so yeah.


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[EndZoneQB]

Well when you run the ball and rip off 60 yards on the first drive then get to the red zone and start passing? Yeah that was a head scratcher. I mean we got what.....3 first downs on 3 plays?
When you have a team on their heels you.keep hammering them.

This needs more attention.

[CaBisonFan]

There was a stark difference in the game after those to two Eagle players went down with injuries. We didn't gain much on the ground when those two guys were in the game.
We missed a few important guys too.

[CaBisonFan]

The veer offense punished teams when we were totally dominant. It wasn't boring at all.

[SamsRams]

This needs more attention.


Yes let's be that one team that ignores the script on the first series

[CAS4127]

Yep, boring-->http://mcfeely.areavoices.com/2017/09/10/even-by-bisons-standards-this-top-domination-is-tops/


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[stevdock]

To be honest, when Bison football is at its best it is boring football. I ask for a nice boring Bison drive on offense about 6 times a game. Most of the drives that we saw on Saturday weren't really all that different than what many call the Best Drive in NDSU History at KSU. Difference was KSU was the end of the game for a win, Saturday was just enforcing our will CONSTANTLY.

[56BISON73]

We also did this with 6 starters out of the game.

[td577]

I thought pass protection was pretty rough yesterday. The Rams did a great job run blocking but Stick was getting harrassed pretty good unless the ball was out immediately after he hit his drop. Improve the pass protection a bit and the offensive balance will come.

In a homage to Matthew Berry's "You heard me" here's mine following the first couple games of the year. I think this year NDSU has the best set of pass catching WRs and TEs they've ever had. RJ, Shepherd, Dez Cain, Illies, Jenson, and Wentz are better than any top 6 the Bison have ever thrown out there in terms of receivers. You heard me. Give Stick time and those guys will make great plays for him.

Same exact thoughts I had. Rough pass blocking at times. A lot of it was on naked roll outs. No one was faked out on those. I was also thinking the same thing about the receiving corp. The skills positions on offense are talented and deep.

[THEsocalledfan]

Our OC showed he is more Vigen than Polasek. I like it.

[Bison56]

7880


10char

[BisManBison]

The fewer snaps our defense has to play, the better. I hereby nominate this thread for the hall of shame!

[56BISON73]

The fewer snaps our defense has to play, the better. I hereby nominate this thread for the hall of shame!

Shit aint going to stir itself.

[tolnabison]

Is it just me, or do our runningbacks seem to be closer to the line of scrimmage this year? Was watching the game with two high school coaches that both have former players at NDSU. We thought last year they looked way deeper compared to this year.

[mtoutfitter]

Shit aint going to stir itself.

I see what you're getting at Pat....that's spot on!!

[56BISON73]

Is it just me, or do our runningbacks seem to be closer to the line of scrimmage this year? Was watching the game with two high school coaches that both have former players at NDSU. We thought last year they looked way deeper compared to this year.

In some formations yes. One of the big differences I see is the backs are showing patience waiting for the play to develop instead of running up the asses of their o-line. Plus if nothing is there they start bouncing to the outside. I like what I see in that regard.

[TAILG8R]

In some formations yes. One of the big differences I see is the backs are showing patience waiting for the play to develop instead of running up the asses of their o-line. Plus if nothing is there they start bouncing to the outside. I like what I see in that regard.

Is this partly due to the fact that our o-line has been 5 yards down the field when the backs get to them for the first two games? :)

[El_Chapo]

that safety (and almost 7) is on Courtney... horrible play call going wide 5 yards back in end zone wow

[MNLonghorn10]

Great playcall to guarantee a safety.


Save season free lakes!

[THEsocalledfan]

Great playcall to guarantee a safety.


Save season free lakes!

Yes, is rather have vanilla on that. horrible call.

[GOBISON123]

How about our WR and TE catch some easy catchable pass once in a while. Never seen such careless drops...:facepalm:

[SDbison]

Mess = Polisuck.

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

Mess = Polisuck.

Boy, I don't know, I think Messingham is light years better than Polsek. I like him.

We are 4-0, albeit against some pretty bad teams.

[El_Chapo]

Boy, I don't know, I think Messingham is light years better than Polsek. I like him.

We are 4-0, albeit against some pretty bad teams.

that's ehat I'm worried about. wait til we actually play someone we need a killer instinct not the same ol same ol

[SDbison]

Based on what?

[EC8CH]

Based on what?

Other than the stretch play on their own goal line I think he's called pretty good games. Mixes the run and pass where appropriate and takes what the defense is giving. Hard to complain so far I'd say.

[Christopher Moen]

Other than the stretch play on their own goal line I think he's called pretty good games. Mixes the run and pass where appropriate and takes what the defense is giving. Hard to complain so far I'd say.

One could also look at Easton's passing efficiency so far. It seems a few of us here only look at the bad plays and totally disregard the good ones.

[BisManBison]

If the play call was an outside run, horrible play call. Not so sure that wasn't on Dunn for bouncing it outside on his own though.

[BFKasper14]

Boy, I don't know, I think Messingham is light years better than Polsek. I like him.

We are 4-0, albeit against some pretty bad teams.

I think the passing game is looking really good. The running game wasn’t as effective early, but they were stacking the box pretty tight. It’s good to know Stick can be more than effective in the passing game. That pass to Shepherd at the beginning (even though he dropped it) was one of the nicest deep balls I’ve seen at NDSU. If the O-line can keep him safe back there, it’ll be tough for teams to stack the box. The D played pretty well but I would like to see the line get a couple more sacks. They did get some pressure but the QB was, like someone said earlier, a poor mans Streveler. He did a good job reading and running the ball.


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[EC8CH]

Stick has arm talent. If he keeps improving his vision and anticipation he can be scary good and get some looks at the next level.

[Hail bison]

They were testing today. It was very obvious. Fuck Lakes for starting this thread. Little bastard

[EC8CH]

http://ot-foodspotting-production.s3.amazonaws.com/reviews/4024673/thumb_275.jpg?1378700349

How can you tell it's vanilla though under so... many... sprinkles?

[HerdBot]

They were testing today. It was very obvious. Fuck Lakes for starting this thread. Little bastard

We didn't show much And Stick didn't run the ball. Polasek would have just ran right into the middle when it was so obvious they just crashed the middle. I like how he ran off tackle. Our passing game looked out of sync for a stretch but that happens

[Mr Meaty]

http://ot-foodspotting-production.s3.amazonaws.com/reviews/4024673/thumb_275.jpg?1378700349

How can you tell it's vanilla though under so... many... sprinkles?

Sprinkles are for winners, he can have some

[Bisonator98]

Mess = Polisuck.

Not even close. Mess has called pretty good games so far. After watching the replay on the safety I think Dunn tried to bounce that outside instead of running straight ahead where the play appeared to be designed to go.

Polesek would have tried a WR sweep play. :)

[Christopher Moen]

Not even close. Mess has called pretty good games so far. After watching the replay on the safety I think Dunn tried to bounce that outside instead of running straight ahead where the play appeared to be designed to go.

Polesek would have tried a WR sweep play. :)

......to the short side.

[EC8CH]

......to the short side.

Repeatedly

[GOBISON123]

One game where I dont want Easton throwing the ball is against JackRabbits. Against the Jacks we need to run-run-run chew up the clock and keep their high octane Tyrn Christensen-Jake Wieneke-Dallas Goedert offense off the field. Easton throwing the ball might back fire on us while playing the Jacks.

[mtoutfitter]

They were testing today. It was very obvious. Fuck Lakes for starting this thread. Little bastard

Damn but I like the way you think!!! Wouldn't let me give you rep.

[Hail bison]

One game where I dont want Easton throwing the ball is against JackRabbits. Against the Jacks we need to run-run-run chew up the clock and keep their high octane Tyrn Christensen-Jake Wieneke-Dallas Goedert offense off the field. Easton throwing the ball might back fire on us while playing the Jacks.

You need to contact our coaching staff immediately with this information

[Bison4peat]

You need to contact our coaching staff immediately with this information

This is so above average, do not fear average.

[td577]

The end zone play was really the only play all day that really irked me. Whether it was designed that way or Dunn tried to bounce it outside, either way it is on the coaches for not calling a play up the middle or making sure Dunn knows to take it up the middle, no matter what.

There aren't many teams who can cover our receivers man to man with no safety help and that is exactly what Missouri State did. They stacked the box so tight, it was pick the matchup you wanted to exploit and go for it. It worked on just about every single play. 15/21 passing and I know for sure of the Shepherd and Illies drops. One incomplete at the feet of Illies avoiding pressure. One overthrow to Shepherd on a play where the safety actually did go with him. Incomplete to Bruce and RJ someplace in the game. One incomplete I can't account for. That is pretty sick. The Bison took what the defense game them, still ran the ball to keep the box stacked with a lot of success, and really only had the endzone play that was questionable. I would have rather seen them try to pass than run outside in that situation.

If this is how opponents want to play the Bison this year, then by all means, I fully expect the same type of game plan.

[ndsubison1]

I would still like to see Stick throwing on the run more

[Jay]

I guess for all you Mess haters, what do you want?

1) We’re top 5 in the FCS in total offense (substantially fewer plays ran than the teams above us)
2) We lead the nation in scoring offense.
3) 11th in passing efficiency; 1st in rushing offense
4) 3rd in 3rd down conversion %

I can keep going. Has it been against a soft schedule? Yes, but we’ve executed. So again, what is it you want?

[tony]

I guess for all you Mess haters, what do you want?

1) We’re top 5 in the FCS in total offense (substantially fewer plays ran than the teams above us)
2) We lead the nation in scoring offense.
3) 11th in passing efficiency; 1st in rushing offense
4) 3rd in 3rd down conversion %

I can keep going. Has it been against a soft schedule? Yes, but we’ve executed. So again, what is it you want?

Just to be clear, I don't think there are any Messingham haters... there was some criticism because he called too many running plays (what?), but he called a lot of passing plays yesterday so the original critic must be happy now. And the run call on the safety? Nobody knows what was called - sure didn't like the result though.

[Professor Chaos]

The end zone play was really the only play all day that really irked me. Whether it was designed that way or Dunn tried to bounce it outside, either way it is on the coaches for not calling a play up the middle or making sure Dunn knows to take it up the middle, no matter what.

There aren't many teams who can cover our receivers man to man with no safety help and that is exactly what Missouri State did. They stacked the box so tight, it was pick the matchup you wanted to exploit and go for it. It worked on just about every single play. 15/21 passing and I know for sure of the Shepherd and Illies drops. One incomplete at the feet of Illies avoiding pressure. One overthrow to Shepherd on a play where the safety actually did go with him. Incomplete to Bruce and RJ someplace in the game. One incomplete I can't account for. That is pretty sick. The Bison took what the defense game them, still ran the ball to keep the box stacked with a lot of success, and really only had the endzone play that was questionable. I would have rather seen them try to pass than run outside in that situation.

If this is how opponents want to play the Bison this year, then by all means, I fully expect the same type of game plan.
Exactly! Both Bruce and Lance averaged more than 9 ypc against those loaded boxes. Outside of the brutal 2nd quarter the offense played very well yesterday and even if you factor in the bad 2nd quarter I'd still give them a B for the game.

[scottietohottie]

I like vanilla from coldstone.

[Mr Meaty]

I have really enjoyed the play calling this year. The RB seem to get a series of plays instead of one play and then out. Would like to see lore Cain and Engel but I do understand RJ and shep are the guys right now. I think we have used TR more like his than all of last year. Mess is not trying to out think the other team like TP used to try and do all the time.

[td577]

I have really enjoyed the play calling this year. The RB seem to get a series of plays instead of one play and then out. Would like to see lore Cain and Engel but I do understand RJ and shep are the guys right now. I think we have used TR more like his than all of last year. Mess is not trying to out think the other team like TP used to try and do all the time.

Well stated. This sums it all up. They are taking what the defense is giving them. There is less of a forced feel to anything. Even times when it seems they could be setting up something later doesn't seem to be a throw away play. You can do both. You can pull defenses into a certain look and be productive.

I think the Bison offense is still a work in progress, but I like they are not forcing the same thing over and over again trying to will a different result. Yesterday they showed you can break a team in other ways.

[bisonmike2]

I see this thread and I realize that I really haven't thought about the play call that much this year. And that's a good thing. I'm sure if you went back to previous years you'd see me bitching about this or that but this year, not so much. I do also think the we haven't really been tested either but so far, I'm liking this offense.

[bruinbison]

Just thought I would leave this here......



CHAD LEISTIKOW

Leistikow: Iowa football's run game is broken, and it's a big problem



http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/columnists/chad-leistikow/2017/09/30/kirk-ferentz-iowa-hawkeyes-football-akrum-wadley-michigan-state-chad-leistikow/719776001/

[TransAmBison]

One game where I dont want Easton throwing the ball is against JackRabbits. Against the Jacks we need to run-run-run chew up the clock and keep their high octane Tyrn Christensen-Jake Wieneke-Dallas Goedert offense off the field. Easton throwing the ball might back fire on us while playing the Jacks.Funny, I remember Easton making some good passes last year on 3rd and long last year against the Jacks. We had success through the air against them.

[GOBISON123]

Funny, I remember Easton making some good passes last year on 3rd and long last year against the Jacks. We had success through the air against them.

Agreed. We need to keep their air raid offense on the sidelines for extended period of time. Here's Stig post game interview,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQdkakzEYBM

http://www.argusleader.com/story/sports/college/south-dakota-state-university/2017/10/01/sdsu-football-notebook-loss-penguins-looked-familiar/720978001/

[Professor Chaos]

I see this thread and I realize that I really haven't thought about the play call that much this year. And that's a good thing. I'm sure if you went back to previous years you'd see me bitching about this or that but this year, not so much. I do also think the we haven't really been tested either but so far, I'm liking this offense.
This should change this week. Even though as a team Indiana St isn't very good their run defense is stout. They're tied for 20th in the FCS allowing only 2.97 ypc on the year. They shut down Illinois St's rushing attack yesterday limiting them to 56 yards on 36 carries. Robert Morris is statistically the best run defense the Bison have faced this year and they're at roughly 80th in the FCS allowing 4.33 ypc (but the dominant Bison run game has inflated all of their opponents run defense numbers at this early point in the season).

It'll be interesting to see if Messingham and the Bison run game can keep things rolling this upcoming Saturday.

[HerdBot]

I have really enjoyed the play calling this year. The RB seem to get a series of plays instead of one play and then out. Would like to see lore Cain and Engel but I do understand RJ and shep are the guys right now. I think we have used TR more like his than all of last year. Mess is not trying to out think the other team like TP used to try and do all the time.

I like Mess a ton. He actually figured out how to defeat defenses who crash the middle without taking a half to adjust. His use of outside runs is simple yet effective.

I love the 3 running back set. The long Bruce run was so awesome with Lance and Cofield executing 2 beautiful cut blocks. It was a beautiful thing to see. Then Bruce catches a pass in the same formation.

I like how he seems to get the TEs involved in the offense

[Hammerhead]

This will probably drop as we face tougher defenses, but NDSU currently leads the nation in scoring offense. USD is in 2nd place.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/27

[EC8CH]

This will probably drop as we face tougher defenses, but NDSU currently leads the nation in scoring offense. USD is in 2nd place.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/27

Yeah well if you want to talk about skewing numbers, USD got to play UN_.

[El_Chapo]

This thread COULD be related to the fact that NDSU has played 5 cupcakes to start the season. the ewu game was painfully boring from an offensive standpoint and the safety call yesterday was embarassing.

I just don't want this to go downhill when we play YSU UNI USD SDSU !

[El_Chapo]

3rd and 16 messy orders up a 5 yard out. BOOOOO!!!!

[Jay]

Well, another week another stellar performance.

[BisManBison]

Well, another week another stellar performance.

Sprinkles!!!

Seriously, a well called game, I don't recall any head scratching calls other than lining up in shotgun formation on 4th and 1 before the timeout. Other than that, he took what the defense was giving.

[ndsubison1]

YSU will test this offense

[El_Chapo]

Sprinkles!!!

Seriously, a well called game, I don't recall any head scratching calls other than lining up in shotgun formation on 4th and 1 before the timeout. Other than that, he took what the defense was giving.

yea that 5 yard out pattern on 3rd and 16 up 7-0 was ingenius!!

[bisonforever]

YSU will test this offense Will they?

[HerdBot]

Well, another week another stellar performance.

Yep. No complaints whatsoever

[EC8CH]

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[Mr Meaty]

Well, another week another stellar performance.

I have really enjoyed the play calling so far. We will be tested over and over the rest of the way.

[El_Chapo]

mess better step it up cupcake season is over. he will earn his $100k+ the next few weeks

[El_Chapo]

he will earn his $100k+ if he gets thru this gauntlet
this game Sunday is the first actual defense he's faced at ndsu

that's when the report card starts

[KNOW IT ALL]

Best play calling I can recall in years. It fits this balanced team so well. In recent years past the Bison would throw in a trick play or long ball at the oddest times trying to hit a home run. Messingham knows he has a bunch of .400 hitters and beats you into submission over four quarters, A+ offensive game calling to this point. regardless of the competition.

[Bison 4 Life]

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[GOBISON123]

It will be interesting to see how Easton and our offense as a whole respond to adversties like throwing an interception or fumbling the ball because last year when some of these things happened, we went back to running the ball and became one dimensional at times.

[Christopher Moen]

http://media.giphy.com/media/l4Jz3a8jO92crUlWM/giphy.gif

Didn’t one of our players do that gesture in one of the early games? I thought maybe it happened after a FG.


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[El_Chapo]

cupcakes so far. mess will earn his butter now

[El_Chapo]

spikes the ball after a 1st down.

burns LAST TIMEOUT With 20 seconds left AFTER stopped clock what a joke

[El_Chapo]

now 3 and out after the before HALF debacle.. C'MON COLDSTONE!!

[El_Chapo]

3rd and 10 6 min left. RUN CALL for zero yards cmon MESS

[El_Chapo]

what a WIMP!!! the end was embarassing

[El_Chapo]

Wait. so you allow the end of the 2nd quarter to be coached like a HS coach, then Don't even Try with 1:20 and 3 timeouts at the end and NO ONE WILL BUMP THIS THREAD?

that was the most ridiculous coaching i've ever seen, can you imagine if we LOST??

[El_Chapo]

3 runs straight up.middle into the back.

this wiu play book is embarassing

[El_Chapo]

horrible play calling who is this clown making 6 figures embarassing

[El_Chapo]

can we find a new OC Midseason

[El_Chapo]

nice 2 minute drill messingdork....

wasted 25 seconds br 2nd down

fire this clown

[Prime Power]

Horrible play calling in the first half, he must be setting up the run with the pass against the vaunted SDSU run D. #PATHETIC

[MontBison]

Easton isn't doing him any favors.....

[tjbison]

Easton isn't doing him any favors.....

This, it's not all coaching

[NDSUstudent]

Easton isn't doing him any favors.....

Yep.................

[NorthernBison]

The play calling isn't exactly something to brag about. No dedication to running against one of the worst rushing defenses in the league?

Big Sky influence for sure.


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[TAILG8R]

I wish we were seeing vanilla today.


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[Bison 4 Life]

I wish we were seeing vanilla today.


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Today should have been nothing but vanilla.

[BisonTeacher]

The play calling isn't exactly something to brag about. No dedication to running against one of the worst rushing defenses in the league?

Big Sky influence for sure.


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Couldn't agree more.and defensively..they are daring us to throw....and stick is struggling.

[SDbison]

You don't win when you give up 4 turnovers and get none.

[bruinbison]

You don't win when you give up 4 turnovers and get none.

true this, the 1 correction being the Jacks did fumble that punt for their 1 TO

[DakotaOkie]

The play calling isn't exactly something to brag about. No dedication to running against one of the worst rushing defenses in the league?

Give the Jacks defense some credit here today, but Bison offensive offense performance today helped make them look pretty good. The problem with the current run game is there is almost no one that can run up the middle consistently with all of the currently injured RBs. It was so very obvious every time Ty Brooks touched the ball that an outside play was going to be attempted. After last week's playing premier by Brooks, don't you think every coach on the last three scheduled games figured out how he would be run.

[HerdBot]

Give the Jacks defense some credit here today, but Bison offensive offense performance today helped make them look pretty good. The problem with the current run game is there is almost no one that can run up the middle consistently with all of the currently injured RBs. It was so very obvious every time Ty Brooks touched the ball that an outside play was going to be attempted. After last week's playing premier by Brooks, don't you think every coach on the last three scheduled games figured out how he would be run.

3rd and long and we're in trouble. It's more frustrating when we're running the ball with authority and then we call some stupid incomplete deep ball to put us in 2nd or 3rd and long.

[tjbison]

I do agree we threw way to many deep balls, I'm not a coach though so

[Jay]

I do agree we threw way to many deep balls, I'm not a coach though so

The thing is... they were there. SDSU jumped routes early (one should have been a pick 6). Underthrown balls + two PI’s not called. Stick is either hurt (left leg) or forgets about mechanics.

[TAILG8R]

The thing is... they were there. SDSU jumped routes early (one should have been a pick 6). Underthrown balls + two PI’s not called. Stick is either hurt (left leg) or forgets about mechanics.

Even though I hated the calls you’re right some were there Stick badly under threw almost all of them. 5 more yards on a couple of those balls and they are TDS.


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[BisonAccountant44]

The thing is... they were there. SDSU jumped routes early (one should have been a pick 6). Underthrown balls + two PI’s not called. Stick is either hurt (left leg) or forgets about mechanics.Yep, they should've been up 14-0 after our first pass attempt. The deep balls we aren't used to, but we left probably 2 long pass TD's on the field in the first half. Three if you count the long run.

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[Rock]

If the qb can’t do it... Don’t call it, especially if you don’t need it.

The Valley caught up to NDSU’s power run game right when Kleiman took over...

There are about 8 bad things that can happen when you pass and 3 when you run.

Run the damn ball.


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[56BISON73]

3rd and long and we're in trouble. It's more frustrating when we're running the ball with authority and then we call some stupid incomplete deep ball to put us in 2nd or 3rd and long.

Yep,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Bisonator98]

There was really no reason to abandon the run today. This was one of Mess's worst called games IMO.

[Bison 4 Life]

There was really no reason to abandon the run today. This was one of Mess's worst called games IMO.I think CK alluded to that. He subtly said we needed way more running plays.

[El_Chapo]

what did this guy do at Montana State... and why is NDSU slumming for a Montana State O.C he was buddies with CK in Iowa.. right?

serious question.. i just drove back from sdsu & no one has this answer.

[Rock]

4 yards per rush with brooks long one called back (on a flag that coulda stayed in pocket) doesn’t scream abandon the run to me.

Especially when it was 4 yards early and the whole- 2, 3 yard runs become 8 yard runs in the 4th cliche.


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[RonMexico]

The thing is... they were there. SDSU jumped routes early (one should have been a pick 6). Underthrown balls + two PI’s not called. Stick is either hurt (left leg) or forgets about mechanics.

So tired of hearing Stick is hurt..if he's hurt then get him the hell out of there. If he isn't hurt then he just isn't a very good passer.

[El_Chapo]

So tired of hearing Stick is hurt..if he's hurt then get him the hell out of there. If he isn't hurt then he just isn't a very good passer.

He's not hurt, they are just using that excuse to protest his psyche

[DIBISON]

So tired of hearing Stick is hurt..if he's hurt then get him the hell out of there. If he isn't hurt then he just isn't a very good passer.

Based on what, one game? A lot of college QB's aren't very good passers and Stick is probably better than most QB's because there is a lot more to it than passing.

[ndsubison1]

I may be wrong and need to pay more attention, but do we not run as many crossing routes as in years past? We run a lot of outs, comebacks, and hitches, which may be a reason for passing game struggles. Why not get RJ in the slot more?

[Son of a Bison]

I may be wrong and need to pay more attention, but do we not run as many crossing routes as in years past? We run a lot of outs, comebacks, and hitches, which may be a reason for passing game struggles. Why not get RJ in the slot more?

And then throw the slant to RJ. He isn't Ryan Smith fast but still can run and catch a slant. Like you said, too many long developing sideline routs and passes with no high rewards for our O. Routs need to be more QB friendly with possession passes.

[Christopher Moen]

I may be wrong and need to pay more attention, but do we not run as many crossing routes as in years past? We run a lot of outs, comebacks, and hitches, which may be a reason for passing game struggles. Why not get RJ in the slot more?

I don’t understand the out routes. Many NFL QBs don’t have the arm strength to be consistently successful, but the Bison keep doing it. Outside of Wentz, we really haven’t had QB good enough to do it. Maybe Walker, but that was before the internet allowed me to watch NDSU football every week.

We’re seeing more passes over the middle this season, but not enough in my opinion.

Also, for the deep throws, the Bison need to scrap that until they are up by more than two TDS. Most of the time, especially lately, the ball is underthrown. Sometimes it is overthrown, but so badly that everyone, including the defense, just gives up on the play. On the chance the ball is catchable, our WRs aren’t fighting enough for the ball like RJ did last year to steal an INT from EWU.

Things on offense are out of whack right now, especially the run to throw ratio. I believe the team will get this issues fixed soon.


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[Bison"FANatic"]

We got down and it was like Mess panicked and went all Big Sky on us. Sounds like a good time for our head coach to teach his OC the Bison way.

[EC8CH]

As with Wentz and the Eagles, Stick and the Bison need a more dominant X receiver if they want more success on these sideline throws against man coverage. Still don't think they have the personnel to use those throws as a strategy against defenses stacking the box and playing press man unfortunately.

[EC8CH]

I hope Messingham eats nothing but vanilla all week... Hold the sprinkles.

[Bison 4 Life]

I hope Messingham eats nothing but vanilla all week... Hold the sprinkles.

He definitely doesn't get sprinkles. He should get plain yogurt.

[CentennialBison]

-Can we get more WCO? Short passes like Brock Jensen used to do Ryan Smith. Open up the box with short 4-8 yard throws. It prevents linebackers from crashing in.

- Need to go under center more.

- Run more running plays.

- Be able to punish teams in the medium 8-20 yard range.

- Stop throwing low % 30 yard throws.

- Open up TE plays.

- What happened to overloading lines and then going to the weak side.

- Teams are totally clued into the naked boot. Stop running it. SDSU blew it up at least 2 times yesterday.

[RonMexico]

Based on what, one game? A lot of college QB's aren't very good passers and Stick is probably better than most QB's because there is a lot more to it than passing.

Everytime he has a bad game people come on here and say he is hurt...well if he is hurt then get him out of there.

[ndsubison1]

There's a difference between being hurt and being injured. Most players are playing "hurt" at some point of the season. That being said, just because he had an off game doesnt mean hes hurt by any means.

[westnodak93bison]

wow, that was some borrrrring offensive play calling.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz

30 runs in 1 half????


this guy makes Vigen look like "chuck the pigskin":facepalm:Well you just got your wish against the jackasses and the results we not good. Since we are talking football maybe vanilla is better than banana Carmel crunch.

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[EC8CH]

Well you just got your wish against the jackasses and the results we not good. Since we are talking football maybe vanilla is better than banana Carmel crunch.

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Banana Carmel crunch is pretty bad ass though too.

[Christopher Moen]

Banana Carmel crunch is pretty bad as though too.

Judging from the results, I would say the OC was ordering big scoops of Rocky Road.

[Rock]

Howie Roseman likes chocolate, and vanilla. I don’t think both at same time though.


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[semobison]

Remember when we used to throw to our fullback?

[StL Bison Fan]

Remember when we used to throw to our fullback?

I asked about that Saturday. Everyone just shrugged.

[56BISON73]

Remember when we used to throw to our fullback?

Safety valve out in the flat is a good thing. One more person they need to defend as well

[CAS4127]

Is it possible we aren’t running play action from under center because OC isn’t comfortable with Stick turning his back to secondary? There has to be a reason we are running what seems to be 70-80% of our plays (runs and passes) out of shotgun/pistol-type sets.

Just wondering what others think, cuz I’m sure thinking of it/why.

Really changes our entire O philosophy by doing what we are. Even running power is different, and read option makes it difficult for RB to really get going because of the “chance” of a hand-off instead of a called/known hand-off. Not sure our RBs are built for that nor recruited for it.


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[MAKBison]

Is it possible we aren’t running play action from under center because OC isn’t comfortable with Stick turning his back to secondary? There has to be a reason we are running what seems to be 70-80% of our plays (runs and passes) out of shotgun/pistol-type sets.

Just wondering what others think, cuz I’m sure thinking of it/why.

Really changes our entire O philosophy by doing what we are. Even running power is different, and read option makes it difficult for RB to really get going because of the “chance” of a hand-off instead of a called/known hand-off. Not sure our RBs are built for that nor recruited for it.


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That's interesting...ES I never thought about that!

[westnodak93bison]

Safety valve out in the flat is a good thing. One more person they need to defend as wellI tried pulling up the year to date stats to see how many receptions our full backs have this year but failed using my smart phone. Anyone know ?

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Found it. Robbins has 3. Our supposed athletic, long and red zone threat TE Jenson has a whopping 8 receptions and 5 of which cam against EWU. What a waste of talent. May as well put OL in to play TE and pound the fucking rock.

[KNOW IT ALL]

I tried pulling up the year to date stats to see how many receptions our full backs have this year but failed using my smart phone. Anyone know ?

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Found it. Robbins has 3. Our supposed athletic, long and red zone threat TE Jenson has a whopping 8 receptions and 5 of which cam against EWU. What a waste of talent. May as well put OL in to play TE and pound the fucking rock.

Couldn't agree more with your disappointment on play calling of late. TE use is almost non-existent when it used be a main stay for this program for years. The new OC really hasn't established any identity for this team. As for only one loss, what would you expect up to this point with the talent NDSU has? No, the sky isn't falling, but, this team has been flat emotionally for the past two years, Why? If the head coach accidently shit his pants could you tell it by looking at his face? I like the old bison vibe that Bohl created, crowds are sitting on their hands now as well.

[SDbison]

Mess needs to get his shit together. When was the last time NDSU played a good team and our offense looked unstopable?

[BattleBorn]

Is it possible we aren’t running play action from under center because OC isn’t comfortable with Stick turning his back to secondary? There has to be a reason we are running what seems to be 70-80% of our plays (runs and passes) out of shotgun/pistol-type sets.

Just wondering what others think, cuz I’m sure thinking of it/why.

Really changes our entire O philosophy by doing what we are. Even running power is different, and read option makes it difficult for RB to really get going because of the “chance” of a hand-off instead of a called/known hand-off. Not sure our RBs are built for that nor recruited for it.


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Interesting observation. Here I just thought it was the Big Sky OC Influence.

[THEsocalledfan]

Is it possible we aren’t running play action from under center because OC isn’t comfortable with Stick turning his back to secondary? There has to be a reason we are running what seems to be 70-80% of our plays (runs and passes) out of shotgun/pistol-type sets.

Just wondering what others think, cuz I’m sure thinking of it/why.

Really changes our entire O philosophy by doing what we are. Even running power is different, and read option makes it difficult for RB to really get going because of the “chance” of a hand-off instead of a called/known hand-off. Not sure our RBs are built for that nor recruited for it.


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Good observation, CAS. With that said, it seems to me the Tim P. also had reduced the under center plays compared to Brent V. It has been a trend for a while and I have not liked it. Further, there is nothing more wicked in the NDSU arsenal than, after pushing your defense around, the under center play action, 7 step drop back, then chucking it deep. I call it the Brock Jensen special.

[Bison 4 Life]

Good observation, CAS. With that said, it seems to me the Tim P. also had reduced the under center plays compared to Brent V. It has been a trend for a while and I have not liked it. Further, there is nothing more wicked in the NDSU arsenal than, after pushing your defense around, the under center play action, 7 step drop back, then chucking it deep. I call it the Brock Jensen special.

Things have taken a turn, for sure. CK said something in his post game press conference something like talking with the coaches about philosophy and perhaps he wasn't involved enough. I hope that means he recognizes what has gotten him here.

[KNOW IT ALL]

Things have taken a turn, for sure. CK said something in his post game press conference something like talking with the coaches about philosophy and perhaps he wasn't involved enough. I hope that means he recognizes what has gotten him here.

Im not saying this isn't a good team but I do miss the old Grind on a defense for 3 quarters and walk all over that team in the 4th. For Gosh sakes, The Bison pushed Iowa off the field playing power football with a team that mirrored it's previous 5-6 teams.

[westnodak93bison]

Im not saying this isn't a good team but I do miss the old Grind on a defense for 3 quarters and walk all over that team in the 4th. For Gosh sakes, The Bison pushed Iowa off the field playing power football with a team that mirrored it's previous 5-6 teams.How in the world did we ever win with a non running threat at QB with Walker. It's not like Walker was threading needles with a cannon arm either.

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[Bison 4 Life]

How in the world did we ever win with a non running threat at QB with Walker. It's not like Walker was threading needles with a cannon arm either.

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Playing the weakest part of what would eventually be the Big Sky. We weren't winning the Valley with that.

[StL Bison Fan]

Im not saying this isn't a good team but I do miss the old Grind on a defense for 3 quarters and walk all over that team in the 4th. For Gosh sakes, The Bison pushed Iowa off the field playing power football with a team that mirrored it's previous 5-6 teams.

I do have to say I miss watching the other team completely gassed.
Remember Crockett/Wentz running the same play over and over and over?
Or the days of 'this is what we are going to do. Try and stop us'

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

Couldn't agree more with your disappointment on play calling of late. TE use is almost non-existent when it used be a main stay for this program for years. The new OC really hasn't established any identity for this team. As for only one loss, what would you expect up to this point with the talent NDSU has? No, the sky isn't falling, but, this team has been flat emotionally for the past two years, Why? If the head coach accidently shit his pants could you tell it by looking at his face? I like the old bison vibe that Bohl created, crowds are sitting on their hands now as well.

I thought the crowd was weak for the UNI game. Hardly any noise during the intro and it didn't get any better as the game progressed.

[CalBison97]

Maybe our o-line is not as strong as it has been in the past? It doesn’t appear we are getting ourselves into many 2nd/3rd and short situations that keep the defense guessing. It does not seem Easton has all day in the pocket to consistently survey the field on passing plays.


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[wisco4]

Is it possible we aren’t running play action from under center because OC isn’t comfortable with Stick turning his back to secondary? There has to be a reason we are running what seems to be 70-80% of our plays (runs and passes) out of shotgun/pistol-type sets.

Just wondering what others think, cuz I’m sure thinking of it/why.

Really changes our entire O philosophy by doing what we are. Even running power is different, and read option makes it difficult for RB to really get going because of the “chance” of a hand-off instead of a called/known hand-off. Not sure our RBs are built for that nor recruited for it.


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I think it is more of the OC's philosophy to run most of the offense out of gun. I remember asking a player during fall camp if they noticed much difference in the offense with the new OC. They said the receiver routes were different but the biggest thing was that almost everything was out of the gun. Now I assume this is because of the new OC but could be because they thought Easton should be in the gun to be more of a run threat. Anyways, hopefully Coach K had a heart to heart with Coach Mess to get back to what Bison football is. But then again with being pretty thin at halfback who knows? Just mind boggling why they got away from running the ball last weekend, that has to fall pretty squarely on Coach M's back.

[El_Chapo]

wheres the W.C.O ???

the QB bootleg to TE in the flat?
where's the screens?
wheres the jet sweep and fakes off of it?
NEVER EVER A TRICK PLAY??? EVER???

the Set passing plays where Easton throws to a spot, that's high school stuff and sdsu saw that and sat on them.

so thoroughly disappointed in this O.C this year, its not even funny.

[thebigund]

Really? No bump here? Too many sprinkles?

[cracker]

Playing the weakest part of what would eventually be the Big Sky. We weren't winning the Valley with that.

We weren't playing UN_ back then were we?

[HerdBot]

Really? No bump here? Too many sprinkles?

No but he called a great game. Glad to see us get back to the run game and play action. Pretty masterful follow up to a bad game

[EC8CH]

Really? No bump here? Too many sprinkles?

Messingham took his sprinkles straight this weekend.

[Bison 4 Life]

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[El_Chapo]

klieman put in the tape of Wentz 2 years ago and told this assclown
.. don't leave the tape room until you have these west coast plays back in the playbook


about dam time.. he owes us for the L he made us take last week

[Bison56]

Finally ran plays under center and got some nice PA off of the formation also. Nice to see the TEs used also.

[THEsocalledfan]

Finally ran plays under center and got some nice PA off of the formation also. Nice to see the TEs used also.

I almost wept for joy when I saw Easton under center.

[KNOW IT ALL]

Yep, Ran the football and had some big plays to the Tight ends! Also, seen some real emotion on the field. THERE is such thing as a Good loss!!! Great Game Bison.

[BisonTeacher]

This picture is bugging me. Are you saying he likes sprinkles on his toes? Are you saying he paints his toenails or has girly feet? Or are you saying he really likes toes ala rex Ryan. Or are you saying we ran the ball better so our feet get sprinkles? Im just so confused. Its been bugging me all day.


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[Bison 4 Life]

This picture is bugging me. Are you saying he likes sprinkles on his toes? Are you saying he paints his toenails or has girly feet? Or are you saying he really likes toes ala rex Ryan. Or are you saying we ran the ball better so our feet get sprinkles? Im just so confused. Its been bugging me all day.

I'm saying it's the only way I could confer upon him the most amount of sprinkles.

quit focusing on the feet you pervert.

[BisonTeacher]

I'm saying it's the only way I could confer upon him the most amount of sprinkles.

quit focusing on the feet you pervert.

Getting sprinkles is supposed to be a good thing. Putting feet in them seems like its a bad thing. He deserves sprinkles...not feet.

[Bison 4 Life]

Getting sprinkles is supposed to be a good thing. Putting feet in them seems like its a bad thing. He deserves sprinkles...not feet.

the amount of sprinkles it takes to not only cover but support the legs those feet are attached to is enormous.

furthermore, the density of those sprinkles is quite high.

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[BisonTeacher]

the amount of sprinkles it takes to not only cover but support the legs those feet are attached to is enormous.

furthermore, the density of those sprinkles is quite high.

https://foolishwatcher.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/math-calculations-zoom-beautiful-mind.gif?w=685

There could be a bazillion sprinkles there...none of them are worth having once theyve touched someones feet. Youre gross.

[Bison 4 Life]

There could be a bazillion sprinkles there...none of them are worth having once theyve touched someones feet. Youre gross.

this is the best turn this thread has had.

[BisonTeacher]

this is the best turn this thread has had.

Jeez the feet even look dirty.

[EC8CH]

The message is clearly that Messingham paints his toes with the most intimidating color of polish imaginable.

[Bison 4 Life]

I've never been happier with a post in my life.

[El_Chapo]

3rd and 16 and we run a QB DRAW...

I'm sure the MVFC teams have NEVER seen that on film. my god. are you serious??? throw the ball

[BisonCardinal]

What did the Bison have for Ryan behind oline/Crockett jump pass type of tricky plays this year? I couldn't think of any.

[IzzyFlexion]

Not a Messingham deal..............but.............

When was the last time that NDSU ran a fake punt?

2011 Championship game is the last one that I can think of.

I don't think that I've ever seen a fake FG from the Herd.

[BisonCardinal]

Montana 2003. Throw to Weiser in end zone

[BisonTeacher]

Not a Messingham deal..............but.............

When was the last time that NDSU ran a fake punt?

2011 Championship game is the last one that I can think of.

I don't think that I've ever seen a fake FG from the Herd.

No sense doing the unexpected when other teams can't stop the expected.

Run the option, run the option....

[KNOW IT ALL]

No sense doing the unexpected when other teams can't stop the expected.

Run the option, run the option....

Run the option? You are kidding right? As for trick plays and fakes, I would like to see one mixed in every once in a while. Bohl always had something up his sleeve in big moments. Early in the FCS transition the Bison ran something tricky to break open a few big games. Nothing changes the flow of a game more than a big time trick play that works.

[El_Chapo]

the ONLY way Mess can salvage this season is by being TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE THIS PLAYOFF RUN.

way too much predictions, hell, sdsu knew what plays were coming.

enough with the tecmo bowl playbook!!

http://www.tecmobowl-vs-rbi.com/uploads/3/5/3/8/3538178/__4912867.gif

[SDbison]

I would just like to see more passes to our tight ends. And less of the dive play that is so over used. Rare trick plays work best.

[BisonTeacher]

I would just like to see more passes to our tight ends. And less of the dive play that is so over used. Rare trick plays work best.

Im a run the ball first guy...but the offense does seem to move better with TE passes. Cant disagree with that.

[SDbison]

Im a run the ball first guy...but the offense does seem to move better with TE passes. Cant disagree with that.
Just rewatch the Iowa game for how to properly mix things up and still ground and pound. For some reason Polisek had a great game plan for FBS teams, but would go vanilla against FCS teams. BTW first play against Iowa was a pass to the TE.

[KNOW IT ALL]

Yep, play action with a quick seam to the TE is one of the best and easiest plays to convert when the run game is going, Seven in the box and nobody home over the middle, simple pitch and catch. Hmmmm? The old days!

[Faron79]

I DO like the quick stuff to the TE's! If that's clicking, running gets a bit easier IMO.

[KNOW IT ALL]

Its the best play in Wentz's playbook to date.

[thebigund]

Seemed like a pretty solid offensive game plan today. A few play calls were absolutley tremendous. Wofford had no chance on those plays. Not the toughest matchup today but he was cold blooded.

[BisonTeacher]

I would just like to see more passes to our tight ends. And less of the dive play that is so over used. Rare trick plays work best.

Winner. /thread

[HerdBot]

He called a gem today. So awesome.

[Bison 4 Life]

Lock this thread forever.

[EC8CH]

Throw some sprinkles make it rain!

[El_Chapo]

Courtney vs his Former Team.

I do believe he might ditch the vanilla ice cream this weekend.

[El_Chapo]

K State fans want Mess out....

https://twitter.com/BarstoolKState/status/1464318011850964993?s=20

[KSBisonFan]

K State fans want Mess out....

https://twitter.com/BarstoolKState/status/1464318011850964993?s=20
I like messingham, but his play calling today was terrible. Twice on 4th down and 1 he called wildcat to Deuce 5 yards deep in the backfield instead of a play from under center. This was after bad play calls on 3rd and short also failed.

[Hammerhead]

There are at least three different types of Kemp's brand vanilla ice cream. I miss the simpler times when there was only one vanilla. :)

[Professor Chaos]

I like messingham, but his play calling today was terrible. Twice on 4th down and 1 he called wildcat to Deuce 5 yards deep in the backfield instead of a play from under center. This was after bad play calls on 3rd and short also failed.
Ha, watching them run what looked like that exact same wildcat play on 3rd and 1 the drive after it failed on 4th and 1 just made me chuckle thinking of how Bisonville would react if Roehl did that when it was our OC messiah that actually did it.

[HerdBot]

I would give Messingham an 11 on a scale of 10. Would have been higher had he thrown a few less passes and ran a bit less shotgun.

Just so I can reflect on my earlier thoughts on Messingham

[AKBison]

Just so I can reflect on my earlier thoughts on Messingham

He gone...The Natives are restless in Manhattan

[Honeybooboo]

Mess was the best oc we have had..period

[reformedUNDfan]

Vigen was pretty good the one year he had enough wide receivers

[scottietohottie]

Vigen was pretty good the one year he had enough wide receivers

If you have a nfl caliber qb it doesn't really matter who your oc is.

[EC8CH]

If you have a nfl caliber qb it doesn't really matter who your oc is.

Eastern Illinois.

[NDSUBowler]

Messingham gone...so is Jason Ray

[EC8CH]

Messingham gone...so is Jason Ray

I can tell where bville's going...

[KTF]

Give it a year or two and Kleiman will be gone. These guys are just sacrificial cuts to by Kleiman to save face.

[TAILG8R]

Give it a year or two and Kleiman will be gone. These guys are just sacrificial cuts to by Kleiman to save face.

Yep. As I posted in another thread when the fire gets hot the first thing coaches do is let go of coordinator(s) and other position coaches. The heat is on and if Kleiman doesn't have a couple good seasons in the next two years he's gone.

I still like Kleiman better than Bohl or Entz. Hopefully he can make it work.

[Hansel]

Outside of Klieman and Bill Snyder, no K-State Football coach has had a greater than 0.500 record in their career at KSU in the last 85 years.

Are they expecting Bill Snyder to come back again?

[Twincitybizon]

Yep. As I posted in another thread when the fire gets hot the first thing coaches do is let go of coordinator(s) and other position coaches. The heat is on and if Kleiman doesn't have a couple good seasons in the next two years he's gone.

I still like Kleiman better than Bohl or Entz. Hopefully he can make it work.

He had a record of
8-5 2019
4-6 2020
7-5 with a chance at 8 wins.

Each year they were ranked at some point as well. That's not bad for k state. Getting 8-9 wins in the big 12 is pretty good. Getting his guys/recruits to upper class Jr Sr. Would think to help as well

[Kevin]

Outside of Klieman and Bill Snyder, no K-State Football coach has had a greater than 0.500 record in their career at KSU in the last 85 years.

Are they expecting Bill Snyder to come back again?

Kind of a skewed stat considering bill coached for 83 of those years.