Opportunity to pick up some Gopher transfers?

[Professorbum]

Good grief! What a train wreck. 10 players suspended, and then the entire team today threatening to boycott the Holiday Bowl if the players aren't reinstated. Of course, even if some players did want to come here, I'm not sure it would be worth the drama they would bring. At most, I'd maybe be interested in some bench players who have been unjustly caught up in the team nonsense. Someone who wants to make a clean break from the U of M and just wants to play football while pursuing a decent college education.

[BisonAccountant44]

It's a strange situation for sure. Supposedly one of the suspended kids wasn't even in the building where the alleged assault took place, 5 were in the apartment but not directly involved and 4 involved (at least enough to have restraining orders issued at one point), but none had any charges pressed and this whole thing was considered dead for about 3 months before this expulsion news broke.

[El_Chapo]

aside from the 10 running the train on a the girl.

NDSU would welcome any and all of the transfers!

[ndsubison1]

I picked UM to win in my Bowl Pick Em. Immediately switched to WSU.

[MNLonghorn10]

I picked UM to win in my Bowl Pick Em. Immediately switched to WSU.
Holy hell. I had wsu as a confidence 30 and it's now a 43

[1993bison]

http://www.inforum.com/node/4181068/. What a cluster f. Good luck sorting out that mess.

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[OrygunBison]

I'd be stripping some scholarships.

[BisonTeacher]

I'd be stripping some scholarships.

This. You can't cave to that crap.

[natstar1]

if Claeys coaches in '17 I bet it's his last year. It will be such a dumpster fire they'll want to start with someone new.

[bisonp]

This is being handled badly all around.

I really don't trust anything called "The Office of Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action". It appears that it was consensual, what they did is not for me but is it any worse than some other types of sex that are considered acceptable now? We don't know the whole story of course, but from what I have read the case was pretty flimsy and the video contradicted the accuser's story.

But it was bad judgement by the players involved as well, and absolutely stupid to do a boycott which has no doubt already caused deep and lasting damage to the program. I can't imagine what the boosters who have their bowl tickets are thinking right now.

[BisonTeacher]

I'm wondering if he had some team rule thing about being places they shouldn't be and that's why they all got suspended.

[bisonp]

I'm wondering if he had some team rule thing about being places they shouldn't be and that's why they all got suspended.

I thought I read yesterday that Claeys took responsibility for suspending them, though that may have been the school saying that and not him. If that were the case, then I'd think that was a possibility. But today he tweeted out his support for the boycott.

I doubt there is a "no gangbang" clause in their code of conduct and even if there was is that grounds for expulsion? The only thing I can figure is the school thinks it wasn't consensual. I realize they don't need to meet legal standards but I think they should be required to at least come close in something that has such serious consequences of a student's life. Especially after the legal part has concluded with the accuser stating she was satisfied with the result.

[PattyBison]

I thought I read yesterday that Claeys took responsibility for suspending them, though that may have been the school saying that and not him. If that were the case, then I'd think that was a possibility. But today he tweeted out his support for the boycott.

I doubt there is a "no gangbang" clause in their code of conduct and even if there was is that grounds for expulsion? The only thing I can figure is the school thinks it wasn't consensual. I realize they don't need to meet legal standards but I think they should be required to at least come close in something that has such serious consequences of a student's life. Especially after the legal part has concluded with the accuser stating she was satisfied with the result.

It goes back to attending the University is a privilege and not a right. The University also has a duty to their students to provide a safe environment for their students. The University also has an affirmative consent rule regarding intercourse. Also as you already mentioned the legal aspect is based on beyond a reasonable doubt compared to the University which is based on a preponderance of evidence. Its the same basis as when OJ was not guilty of murder but was found liable in the civil case brought by the Goldman's.

I haven't seen where she said she was satisfied with charges being dropped. I do think she said she was ok with the settlement reached with the restraining orders. But I could be wrong.

Disclaimer - I have no dog in this fight. I'm only pointing out that you can't compare legal decisions to University actions.

[BisonAccountant44]

It goes back to attending the University is a privilege and not a right. The University also has a duty to their students to provide a safe environment for their students. The University also has an affirmative consent rule regarding intercourse. Also as you already mentioned the legal aspect is based on beyond a reasonable doubt compared to the University which is based on a preponderance of evidence. Its the same basis as when OJ was not guilty of murder but was found liable in the civil case brought by the Goldman's.

I haven't seen where she said she was satisfied with charges being dropped. I do think she said she was ok with the settlement reached with the restraining orders. But I could be wrong.

Disclaimer - I have no dog in this fight. I'm only pointing out that you can't compare legal decisions to University actions.
Where are some of our legal Minds? Grom what I've read, and I don't know if it's true or not, preponderance of evidence is the lowest possible threshold that they could be held to and that there are multiple levels between that and Reasonable Doubt like a criminal case would have.

It seems the part of the players other issue is that there is at least the appearance of no due process for the 10 suspects. That thought process from what I've seen also seems to be carrying over to the parents of players because Antoine Winfield senior came out today saying that if the president and AD keep their jobs Jr will be going to another school regardless of what happens.

If the players are guilty of some type of sexual assault I agree they should all be gone. At this point none of us have any real idea what's going on and it looks more of a guilty until proven innocent situation in which case I can't really blame the players for saying they won't play.

[Vet70]

Where are some of our legal Minds? Grom what I've read, and I don't know if it's true or not, preponderance of evidence is the lowest possible threshold that they could be held to and that there are multiple levels between that and Reasonable Doubt like a criminal case would have.

It seems the part of the players other issue is that there is at least the appearance of no



due process for the 10 suspects. That thought process from what I've seen also seems to be carrying over to the parents of players because Antoine Winfield senior came out today saying that if the president and AD keep their jobs Jr will be going to another school regardless of what happens.

If the players are guilty of some type of sexual assault I agree they should all be gone. At this point none of us have any real idea what's going on and it looks more of a guilty until proven innocent situation in which case I can't really blame the players for saying they won't play.

Preponderance is the standard used in civil cases and is one step below beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Bison bison]

And the same standard for Title IX.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[PattyBison]

Where are some of our legal Minds? Grom what I've read, and I don't know if it's true or not, preponderance of evidence is the lowest possible threshold that they could be held to and that there are multiple levels between that and Reasonable Doubt like a criminal case would have.

It seems the part of the players other issue is that there is at least the appearance of no due process for the 10 suspects. That thought process from what I've seen also seems to be carrying over to the parents of players because Antoine Winfield senior came out today saying that if the president and AD keep their jobs Jr will be going to another school regardless of what happens.

If the players are guilty of some type of sexual assault I agree they should all be gone. At this point none of us have any real idea what's going on and it looks more of a guilty until proven innocent situation in which case I can't really blame the players for saying they won't play.

Due process for what? They will have hearings prior to University actions. In the meantime, they are suspended from football activities. Tough call. The U wouldn't look good if they kicked out 5 players and suspended 4 for a year and still allowed them to play in a bowl game.

I have no clue what the right decision is. It's just an ugly mess.

[aces1180]

I am not advocating sexual assault!

However, according the video that was shown to the police, she was lucid and a willing participant.

My guess is she pulled the train and had some regrets after the fact and claimed SA. Obviously, the police and prosecutor agreed and decided not to press charges.

Unless they are at BYU and sign a code of conduct that says they can't drink or have sex, I don't believe they should be suspended. I also support the team's decision, because this decision by administration seems railroaded (pun intended).

[PattyBison]

I am not advocating sexual assault!

However, according the video that was shown to the police, she was lucid and a willing participant.

My guess is she pulled the train and had some regrets after the fact and claimed SA. Obviously, the police and prosecutor agreed and decided not to press charges.

Unless they are at BYU and sign a code of conduct that says they can't drink or have sex, I don't believe they should be suspended. I also support the team's decision, because this decision by administration seems railroaded (pun intended).

Wasn't it 90 seconds of video and the encounter lasted an hour and a half?

[goldenshower]

At least gopher fans don't have to watch mitch leidner anymore


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[BisonAccountant44]

Common man just say Kare 11 will be releasing the 82-page report that this committee had when they recommended the expulsion so maybe some answers will come from that.

[ByeSonBusiness]

I side with the football team here.

[BlueKeyAlum]

What is it with Gopher athletes videotaping themselves and buddies having sex?

[ByeSonBusiness]

What is it with Gopher athletes videotaping themselves and buddies having sex?

It's a billion dollar industry, doncha know!

[bisonaudit]

I am not advocating sexual assault!

However, according the video that was shown to the police, she was lucid and a willing participant.

My guess is she pulled the train and had some regrets after the fact and claimed SA. Obviously, the police and prosecutor agreed and decided not to press charges.

Unless they are at BYU and sign a code of conduct that says they can't drink or have sex, I don't believe they should be suspended. I also support the team's decision, because this decision by administration seems railroaded (pun intended).

Doesn't Baylor have one of those codes of conduct as well? What a crock of shit those things are. All they do is encourage people not to report abuse.

[mebisonII]

Well that was fairly short-lived:

http://www.startribune.com/gophers-players-u-leaders-working-toward-ending-boycott-of-football/407201426/

[BisonTeacher]

Well that was fairly short-lived:

http://www.startribune.com/gophers-players-u-leaders-working-toward-ending-boycott-of-football/407201426/

I wouldn't have blamed the holiday people would have found someone else to replace them and said...too late ..we found someone else.

[yopaulie]

Man...I am surprised most are backing the team and players on this. Have you guys read the 80 page report? I think many of the boycotting parents read it, and told their kids, "what the hell are you thinking?" We absolutely need codes of conduct above and beyond the law. If our schools and society's only standard for moral code of conduct is whether or not the police can prosecute you, we are truly f@$#&d. Read the report.

[unbison]

I side with the football team here.
You can't be serious!
Athletes that receive scholarships and cost of attendance
Are essentially paid employees of the state of Minnesota and therefore should be held to a higher standard then any other student on campus.... that said mr claeys should be gone for knowing what he obviously knows and being the leader of this group of young men and publicly endorsing this boycott

[oldmantutters]

You can't be serious!
Athletes that receive scholarships and cost of attendance
Are essentially paid employees of the state of Minnesota and therefore should be held to a higher standard then any other student on campus.... that said mr claeys should be gone for knowing what he obviously knows and being the leader of this group of young men and publicly endorsing this boycott
I'm kind of surprised he isn't gone yet. Maybe the University is waiting for some dust to settle.

From my understanding, it started out consensual and then the victim was basically railroaded by multiple players. That isn't ok.

I think I side with the school here. The players are claiming that there was no due process which is BS. There was a criminal investigation, and the prosecution decided they didn't have enough to persue charges. That doesn't mean these players are innocent, which is what they will have you believe. They want you to believe they are being held to a higher standard by the university because they are athletes but they are being held to the same code of conduct as any other student or faculty member.

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[Bison bison]

the university has a very high standard for consent that wasnt met by piece of shit 2-10+.

[aces1180]

Without knowing the facts, I supported the team...

Not anymore! Yikes...

[oldmantutters]

the university has a very high standard for consent that wasnt met by piece of shit 2-10+.
It's an extremely high standard for sure. That's where I'm not sure how I feel about things. I understand protecting people from SA. I also understand how an event that is "consensual" where both parties are going along with everything, but maybe both parties have had a bit to drink and someone had second thoughts once they are thinking more clearly now the other person can be in a tough spot. There is always abstinence, however I know what its like to be a college-aged person.

That all being said, it doesn't appear that is what happened here. And I am behind the university 100% here. With the facts that have been leaked, this is a case where there really is no gray area of consent, its pretty black and white.

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[Son of a Bison]

The fact that a recruit was involved in some of this is absolutely disgusting.

[BisonAccountant44]

Yeah, I've only gotten through about 3 of the 80 pages, and it's a much different story now than what was presented a week ago.

That being said, I still don't mind the way the team (not the 10 involved, the other 110) handled this. All they knew was that in September the complaint was filed and the cops didn't file charges. Then 3 1/2 months later out of nowhere twice as many people as had originally been investigated were basically off the team, facing expulsion from school and nobody would (could) tell them why.

They met as a group, decided to believe their teammates and what was known from the legal process at that point and weren't satisfied with the answer of "trust us" from the committee, coaches, AD and Pres so they played the only card they could to get answers. That may or may not have helped expedite Kare 11 finding and releasing the full report, and within hours of the report being released the players read it, got back together and correctly changed their tune.

Now, as for the 10 players and the recruit involved. They can rot in hell, there is no place in this world for treating anyone like that.

[HerdBot]

The fact that a recruit was involved in some of this is absolutely disgusting.

Wow if that's not a recruiting violation I don't know what is! Well find a woman and train her. Shit that's gotta be borderline illegal in some states!
:rofl: :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl:

[THEsocalledfan]

I just read the Pioneer Press article. My goodness. That is not for the faint of heart. Zero doubt that very, very poor judgement happened by all involved.

With that said, the U of M must have done a horrible job communicating with the players. I very much doubt any of this would have happened like this if they did.

[bisonp]

Yeah, I've only gotten through about 3 of the 80 pages, and it's a much different story now than what was presented a week ago.

That being said, I still don't mind the way the team (not the 10 involved, the other 110) handled this. All they knew was that in September the complaint was filed and the cops didn't file charges. Then 3 1/2 months later out of nowhere twice as many people as had originally been investigated were basically off the team, facing expulsion from school and nobody would (could) tell them why.

They met as a group, decided to believe their teammates and what was known from the legal process at that point and weren't satisfied with the answer of "trust us" from the committee, coaches, AD and Pres so they played the only card they could to get answers. That may or may not have helped expedite Kare 11 finding and releasing the full report, and within hours of the report being released the players read it, got back together and correctly changed their tune.

Now, as for the 10 players and the recruit involved. They can rot in hell, there is no place in this world for treating anyone like that.

That's exactly why I don't support them. That was and still should be private information they do not have any inherent right to know. Now the school is supposed to just air all the private info out to the public to keep players pacified? Ridiculous.

[Mr Meaty]

Were these ten players playing during the year?

[BisonAccountant44]

That's exactly why I don't support them. That was and still should be private information they do not have any inherent right to know. Now the school is supposed to just air all the private info out to the public to keep players pacified? Ridiculous.

I can see that, but the police investigation was not private information and lead to no charges about the same incident. After that, and the new "charges" coming seemingly nowhere to think that group wasn't going to have questions that they felt needed to be answered isn't realistic. For me, I'm giving the larger group of players the benefit of the doubt that they didn't throw a temper tantrum for no reason and that they legitimately believed their teammates were being wronged. If that is the case I can see why they did what they did, and I don't blame them.

I guess it really depends on what Coyal did or didn't say to them in the team meeting before the boycott when the players weren't satisfied with the answers they did get. If it was the equivalent of him standing in front of the team and saying "I can't tell you anything" on repeat, I can see why they would be frustrated and go down the road they did.

If he got up there and talked to them about as much as he could, explained the different burdens of proof that the two processes needed, maybe did a little of "we know from the police report that this happened, well I can't get into specifics, but our investigation found that plus x" or "the police report said y which meets the preponderance of evidence requirement because" type talking to help them see that there was more to the story and that this was completely legitimate and not a witch hunt, etc. and they still went with the boycott than you're right.

[mebisonII]

I can see that, but the police investigation was not private information and lead to no charges about the same incident. After that, and the new "charges" coming seemingly nowhere to think that group wasn't going to have questions that they felt needed to be answered isn't realistic. For me, I'm giving the larger group of players the benefit of the doubt that they didn't throw a temper tantrum for no reason and that they legitimately believed their teammates were being wronged. If that is the case I can see why they did what they did, and I don't blame them.

I guess it really depends on what Coyal did or didn't say to them in the team meeting before the boycott when the players weren't satisfied with the answers they did get. If it was the equivalent of him standing in front of the team and saying "I can't tell you anything" on repeat, I can see why they would be frustrated and go down the road they did.

If he got up there and talked to them about as much as he could, explained the different burdens of proof that the two processes needed, maybe did a little of "we know from the police report that this happened, well I can't get into specifics, but our investigation found that plus x" or "the police report said y which meets the preponderance of evidence requirement because" type talking to help them see that there was more to the story and that this was completely legitimate and not a witch hunt, etc. and they still went with the boycott than you're right.

The thing that floors me with regard to the team at large was that it sounds like a bunch of the team was at the party...I would have thought there would be some general rumors floating around that things got out of hand, and that maybe this wasn't the right time to fall on your sword in defense of these guys. Probably speaks truth to what is said about how hard it is for assault victims to be taken seriously.

[BisonAccountant44]

The thing that floors me with regard to the team at large was that it sounds like a bunch of the team was at the party...I would have thought there would be some general rumors floating around that things got out of hand, and that maybe this wasn't the right time to fall on your sword in defense of these guys. Probably speaks truth to what is said about how hard it is for assault victims to be taken seriously.
That was mentioned in passing in what I've gotten thorough of the report so far. She actually went to the party with a player and asked one the next day what they'd heard about it and they'd been told a different story and didn't believe it was her or that it went down close to the way she said.

If that happened in a day or two with someone that was at the party with the victim, I can't even imagine what a 4 month telephone game between 100+ people got to and proves that they're going to believe their teammates over all others until proven otherwise.

I'm guessing some of those text messages are in the report further but I haven't gotten that far

[BisonTeacher]

For those of you who've read it...was it a gopher cheerleader? Or was that a separate incident this year? I remember there being a cheerleader having a restraining order against a player so the player couldn't be at the stadium for a game or something like that.

Also...what does it say about someone who lets their friends stick their necks out for them without telling them the truth ?

[PattyBison]

For those of you who've read it...was it a gopher cheerleader? Or was that a separate incident this year? I remember there being a cheerleader having a restraining order against a player so the player couldn't be at the stadium for a game or something like that.

Also...what does it say about someone who lets their friends stick their necks out for them without telling them the truth ?

It's the same incident.

[PattyBison]

Were these ten players playing during the year?

Some (3 or 4) were suspended during the police investigation. Some (2 or 3) of those missed additional games because she was granted a restraining order and was a cheerleader. Some are redshirts. I am not certain on the numbers but that is generally what happened.

[El_Chapo]

we will take Antoine Winfield JR and Seth Green. thank u

[THEsocalledfan]

Also...what does it say about someone who lets their friends stick their necks out for them without telling them the truth ?

This is one of the key questions, in my mind. Or, is it possible, that they told them their side of the story, and the rest thought that was still normal, moral behavior? If so, God help us as a society.

[tony]

Based on the leaked report, I don't want any of those guys anywhere near NDSU.

Even if the initial encounter was consensual (and that's debatable if her judgment was impaired by drugs or alcohol), much of it was clearly not.

[Bison bison]

It's not consensual by U standards, which are among some of the highest in the country.


A signed contract prior to coitus is pretty close to the bar at the University of Minnesota (which is fine, their campus, their rules).

[bisonp]

I can see that, but the police investigation was not private information and lead to no charges about the same incident. After that, and the new "charges" coming seemingly nowhere to think that group wasn't going to have questions that they felt needed to be answered isn't realistic. For me, I'm giving the larger group of players the benefit of the doubt that they didn't throw a temper tantrum for no reason and that they legitimately believed their teammates were being wronged. If that is the case I can see why they did what they did, and I don't blame them.

I guess it really depends on what Coyal did or didn't say to them in the team meeting before the boycott when the players weren't satisfied with the answers they did get. If it was the equivalent of him standing in front of the team and saying "I can't tell you anything" on repeat, I can see why they would be frustrated and go down the road they did.

If he got up there and talked to them about as much as he could, explained the different burdens of proof that the two processes needed, maybe did a little of "we know from the police report that this happened, well I can't get into specifics, but our investigation found that plus x" or "the police report said y which meets the preponderance of evidence requirement because" type talking to help them see that there was more to the story and that this was completely legitimate and not a witch hunt, etc. and they still went with the boycott than you're right.

Thing is, if they had read the police report they should have known that regardless of prosecution it was at the very least questionable behavior and probably not something they should take a stand on. Especially when that stand risks destroying the program and alienating the boosters that pay their tuition. They also should have known the players were interviewed during the investigation and will have a chance to appeal because that was all reported in the original stories. Yet they claimed "due process" was their main complaint.

Sorry, you will never convince me that what they did was justified. Ignorant entitled whiners, each and every one of them. They set the program back years, if not decades. Who the hell would want their kid to go play at a place where gangbangs are considered an acceptable part of the team culture?

[BisonBacker]

It's an embarrassment to the state of MN. Anyone defending those clowns shouldn't be employed by the U.

[BisonTeacher]

This is one of the key questions, in my mind. Or, is it possible, that they told them their side of the story, and the rest thought that was still normal, moral behavior? If so, God help us as a society.

Sounds like the fuss they made about it is making authorities look back into potential criminality.

[BisonAccountant44]

Sounds like the fuss they made about it is making authorities look back into potential criminality.
Kind of. The county said they'd read the report, the city police said no thanks we already did our investigation.

[bisonmike2]

Based on the leaked report, I don't want any of those guys anywhere near NDSU.

Even if the initial encounter was consensual (and that's debatable if her judgment was impaired by drugs or alcohol), much of it was clearly not.

This here. No f'ing way I want anybody on that team near NDSU.

[56BISON73]

Why would anyone want any of those douchenozzles on our team? :facepalm: JFC

[StL Bison Fan]

Why would anyone want any of those douchenozzles on our team? :facepalm: JFC

I wouldnt even want my kid playing there. It just never ends there, its always something.

[EndZoneQB]

Supposedly Winfield Jr was accused but wasn't even home and has an alibi. But that is all hearsay.

[BisonAccountant44]

Supposedly Winfield Jr was accused but wasn't even home and has an alibi. But that is all hearsay.
The story had always been that one of the 10 wasn't in the building. I assumed it was the one that had suspension recommended vs expulsion. I don't think that was Winfield.

[bisonmike2]

The story had always been that one of the 10 wasn't in the building. I assumed it was the one that had suspension recommended vs expulsion. I don't think that was Winfield.

Maybe he wasn't in the building because the line for the train stretched all the way outside.:hide:

On a serious note, it's disgusting that not one of those guys involved had the balls to step in a say something or do something to stop it and it's disgusting that the rest of the team stood up for those guys not knowing what they were even standing up for.

[EndZoneQB]

Maybe he wasn't in the building because the line for the train stretched all the way outside.:hide:

On a serious note, it's disgusting that not one of those guys involved had the balls to step in a say something or do something to stop it and it's disgusting that the rest of the team stood up for those guys not knowing what they were even standing up for.

I think the most concerning thing I heard on Barreiro was that a player supposedly said "I'm usually the one that saves the day in these situations"...like it had happened before.

[Son of a Bison]

This scandal reminds me of the Vikings infamous love boat scandal. The Vikings have done almost nothing since that scandal and I expect little from the Goophs in the future.

The one negative for the Bison is more than likely there will be player and coach departures and how that affects our current coaches and recruit verbals as well as the Goophs future recruiting tactics focusing on quality local kids.

[1998braves64]

This scandal reminds me of the Vikings infamous love boat scandal. The Vikings have done almost nothing since that scandal and I expect little from the Goophs in the future.

The one negative for the Bison is more than likely there will be player and coach departures and how that affects our current coaches and recruit verbals as well as the Goophs future recruiting tactics focusing on quality local kids.


Vikings went to NFC championship in 2009?? Yeah only one year I guess...

[BisonAccountant44]

I think the most concerning thing I heard on Barreiro was that a player supposedly said "I'm usually the one that saves the day in these situations"...like it had happened before.

The most disturbing part of that was the one that said it was "A2", the guy who had the original threesome with her and the recruit, took video of that, sent it to all the first year players, bragged about it to people at the party, then left and allowed the rest of the event happen in his bed.


A2 and RS spoke briefly in the hallway outside of the apaatment. A2 asked RS whether she was okay. RS was confused and "in a daze.'' She did not realize the extent of what had happened. She replied, "I don't know what you mean by okay." A2 responded, "I am the one who usually has to save girls from this situation and I wanted to know whether you were okay." RS was confused about what had happened and kept repeating, "I don't know." A2 also asked whether RS would tell anyone what had happened. She responded that she would not. Based on her text messages described previously, RS left apartment B around 4:20am.

[HerdBoy]

No thanks.


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[bisonp]

Inspirational performance by the gang rapists tonight.

I've been a Gophers fan for most of my life, but damn this team disgusts me so much I just can't cheer for them for any reason. Hopefully this didn't save Minnesota Fat's job, I don't care how good he is he's gotta go.

[56BISON73]

Inspirational performance by the gang rapists tonight.

I've been a Gophers fan for most of my life, but damn this team disgusts me so much I just can't cheer for them for any reason. Hopefully this didn't save Minnesota Fat's job, I don't care how good he is he's gotta go.

I gotta ask---if hes good why does he have to go?

[bisonp]

I gotta ask---if hes good why does he have to go?

Well first off...Michigan last year.

Second...because read the news.

[56BISON73]

Well first off...Michigan last year.

Second...because read the news.

Did he cover anything up?

[BisonTeacher]

I gotta ask---if hes good why does he have to go?

Because he took his players side .. when he shouldn't have. Theres a time for a coach to back a kid up and a time for teaching. He chose poorly on this one. They did some pretty bad things and involved a recruit. I've even heard rumblings the boycott idea may have come from him.

[HerdBot]

On Bison 1660 today they had Doogie Wolfson from ESPN 1500 in the Twin Cities on to talk about the Gophers and the Vikes. Talk starts at 1 hour 30 minutes

https://soundcloud.com/user-744211984/the-insiders-dec-28-2016-full-show

[mebisonII]

Claey's future probably being written today...

http://www.startribune.com/u-leaders-called-to-special-meeting-tuesday-to-discuss-tracy-claeys-future/409534065/

[aces1180]

Per Mark Rosen (Rosey!), Claey's has been canned.

[BisonAccountant44]

That didn't take long. Hit refresh on the link above and the story changed to Claey's fired.

[NDSUstudent]

They should hire Bohl but instead they'll go with the flashy pick and row the boat. Fleck will tank like most MAC coaches that get Big 10 jobs.

[bisonp]

He had to go. This was much bigger than wins and losses. The entire program was on the brink of collapse and he was completely inept, clueless, and flat out wrong in his response. I can't imagine any parent wanting their kid to play for a guy who stood up for gangbanging. What an idiot.

For the first time in seemingly forever, the Gophers made the right move. They will still have a tough time recovering, but this was a good start.

[BisonTeacher]

He had to go. This was much bigger than wins and losses. The entire program was on the brink of collapse and he was completely inept, clueless, and flat out wrong in his response. I can't imagine any parent wanting their kid to play for a guy who stood up for gangbanging. What an idiot.

For the first time in seemingly forever, the Gophers made the right move. They will still have a tough time recovering, but this was a good start.

Especially with a program who just replaced their ad over a sex related scandal. It seems to me that people seem to forget that part.

[StL Bison Fan]

He had to go. This was much bigger than wins and losses. The entire program was on the brink of collapse and he was completely inept, clueless, and flat out wrong in his response. I can't imagine any parent wanting their kid to play for a guy who stood up for gangbanging. What an idiot.

For the first time in seemingly forever, the Gophers made the right move. They will still have a tough time recovering, but this was a good start.
I think if I was a parent I would be asking alot of questions if my kid is one of those tweeting that they wont/ aren't playing for the administration so they will be transferring. Maybe blowing smoke but they look stupid. If this is a team game, it makes all involved from admin to students look bad.

[HerdBot]

He had to go. This was much bigger than wins and losses. The entire program was on the brink of collapse and he was completely inept, clueless, and flat out wrong in his response. I can't imagine any parent wanting their kid to play for a guy who stood up for gangbanging. What an idiot.

For the first time in seemingly forever, the Gophers made the right move. They will still have a tough time recovering, but this was a good start.

He didn't stand up for gangbanging. He stood up for due process in title 9. And when the details came out... Everyone was like oh shit and changed their tone

[tjbison]

Pretty sad state of affairs down in Dinky town these days, feel bad for the boosters.

[DIBISON]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/gophers-players-lash-out-at-minnesota-support-tracy-claeys-after-firing/ss-BBxRHec

So one tweet said the entire coaching staff is gone, so who is running the program?

[MAKBison]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/gophers-players-lash-out-at-minnesota-support-tracy-claeys-after-firing/ss-BBxRHec

So one tweet said the entire coaching staff is gone, so who is running the program?

Bad timing you gotta think teams are raiding any good recruits

[NDSUstudent]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/gophers-players-lash-out-at-minnesota-support-tracy-claeys-after-firing/ss-BBxRHec

So one tweet said the entire coaching staff is gone, so who is running the program?

Wouldn't shock me if they have a new coach named by Saturday. You don't fire Claeys unless you have somebody lined up.

[Bisonator98]

Sounds like Fleck is the man. Now who does Western Michigan go after?

[MAKBison]

Sounds like Fleck is the man. Now who does Western Michigan go after?

Bo Po.................

[Son of a Bison]

Bad timing you gotta think teams are raiding any good recruits

MSUM Dragons should be loaded for the next few years.

[Bison bison]

Let me guess. Fleck losing to the Badgers put him over the top.

[bisonp]

He didn't stand up for gangbanging. He stood up for due process in title 9. And when the details came out... Everyone was like oh shit and changed their tone

They had due process during the Title IX investigation. If Claeys didn't know that, he damn well should have because it was reported. He also knew that at the very least inappropriate conduct had occurred.

Here's what he said on the way out: "I won't be up here freezing my ass off, so y'all enjoy the winter". Classy to the end.

[El_Chapo]

Antoine Winfield JR we need a lockdown Corner and its been documented that his Alibi was legit and HE WASNT AT THE PARTY!

[THEsocalledfan]

They had due process during the Title IX investigation. If Claeys didn't know that, he damn well should have because it was reported. He also knew that at the very least inappropriate conduct had occurred.

Here's what he said on the way out: "I won't be up here freezing my ass off, so y'all enjoy the winter". Classy to the end.

Yep. I very much doubt the players fully understood the depth of depravity when they wanted to boycott (and if they did, God help us as a society). But hard for me to believe Claeys did not.....

[siouxfan512]

He had to go. This was much bigger than wins and losses. The entire program was on the brink of collapse and he was completely inept, clueless, and flat out wrong in his response. I can't imagine any parent wanting their kid to play for a guy who stood up for gangbanging. What an idiot.

For the first time in seemingly forever, the Gophers made the right move. They will still have a tough time recovering, but this was a good start.

^This, so much. I wouldn't want my kid playing for the guy. My guess is Claeys didn't even realize what he was doing by "trying" to support his players. He really comes across as an idiot.

I was also pretty shocked at the player parents who were upset about their kids suspensions. I get not being happy about your kid getting suspended, but once you hear what your kid was involved in, how can you get publicly upset. Jeez, my kid would be done, and out of school. Move home, take some Juco classes, and get your life in order, because there are some seriously lacking moral issues there.

Completely agree that Claeys had to go!

[Vet70]

^This, so much. I wouldn't want my kid playing for the guy. My guess is Claeys didn't even realize what he was doing by "trying" to support his players. He really comes across as an idiot.

I was also pretty shocked at the player parents who were upset about their kids suspensions. I get not being happy about your kid getting suspended, but once you hear what your kid was involved in, how can you get publicly upset. Jeez, my kid would be done, and out of school. Move home, take some Juco classes, and get your life in order, because there are some seriously lacking moral issues there.

Completely agree that Claeys had to go!

Move home? I would change the locks.

[siouxfan512]

Move home? I would change the locks.

Fair enough. My point is, I wouldn't be publicly defending my kid from their suspension if I found out they were involved in something like this. Some of these parent actually went on TV to explain how upset they were with the school (THE SCHOOL AND NOT THEIR KIDS ...WTF?) If I found out my kid did that I would be totally crushed. I'd deal with my kid, but I definitely wouldn't go on TV to complain about the school.

Though I would like to believe in most cases, people that are upset "after" hear about this kind of issue (pretty much everyone here that has weighed in on the issue) would have instilled more values into their kids to avoid these situations. I know that isn't always the case, but some of these character flaws start at home.

[Vet70]

Fair enough. My point is, I wouldn't be publicly defending my kid from their suspension if I found out they were involved in something like this. Some of these parent actually went on TV to explain how upset they were with the school (THE SCHOOL AND NOT THEIR KIDS ...WTF?) If I found out my kid did that I would be totally crushed. I'd deal with my kid, but I definitely wouldn't go on TV to complain about the
school.

Though I would like to believe in most cases, people that are upset "after" hear about this kind of issue (pretty much everyone here that has weighed in on the issue) would have instilled more values into their kids to avoid these situations. I know that isn't always the case, but some of these character flaws start at home.

I don't disagree with you. I am not sure when the parents were publically reacting the way they did, but in many instances it happens after they get a sanitized version from the kids and before they know the full story. Just like the team reacted.

[BisonTeacher]

I was also pretty shocked at the player parents who were upset about their kids suspensions. I get not being happy about your kid getting suspended, but once you hear what your kid was involved in, how can you get publicly upset.


Oh man....how detached you are from the reality that is education. :)

[bisonmike2]

Great article by John Shipley at the Pioneer Press today.


Is deplorable behavior OK at Minnesota? Many players seemed to think so.

“It’s sad how this administration doesn’t care about the players at all,” senior cornerback Jalen Myric tweeted Tuesday.

Reminder: The university is razing buildings, moving earth and trying desperately to raise $169 million to build an “Athletes Village” that will feature a new indoor football practice facility, offices for the coaching staff, a locker room for the players and a 24-hour training table for all student-athletes. Yet we’re asked to believe that 100-plus Division I athletes — 85 of them on full scholarship — are now victims of a world gone mad. That the university doesn’t have the right to determine whether their behavior breaks school standards.



http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/03/john-shipley-whos-to-blame-for-gophers-mess-apparently-anyone-but-the-players/

[siouxfan512]

I don't disagree with you. I am not sure when the parents were publically reacting the way they did, but in many instances it happens after they get a sanitized version from the kids and before they know the full story. Just like the team reacted.

Fair point. I know one person I saw on tv, was Antoine Winfield. You are correct though, I'm sure in several cases the version the parent got from their kids were different.


Oh man....how detached you are from the reality that is education. :)

Haha, I should have said I was shocked, as much as it is just disappointing to see. I just can't imagine taking that approach with my kids (thank God I have a long time until they are ready to go off to college). Shouldn't be surprising that this kind of stuff happens, nor should it be surprising that there are parents that choose to ignore the seriousness of the situation, or look at it through biased glasses.

Nevertheless, it is disappointing to see this kind of stuff happen.

[siouxfan512]

Great article by John Shipley at the Pioneer Press today.



http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/03/john-shipley-whos-to-blame-for-gophers-mess-apparently-anyone-but-the-players/

Well written!

[THEsocalledfan]

Well written!

He makes it way too simplistic. I never seen any mention of what exactly the players knew or did not know. Or what the accused actually told their teammates. I am just saying they are the only folks I feel I can't pass judgement on, other than those who actively participated or were direct witnesses.

With that said, those tweets questioning the firing are quite moronic; I fully agree on that as they should know the whole story now.

[Bison bison]

Disagree. They players picked the hill they died on, no remorse for them being ignorant of the situation when they made so strong a stand.

[PattyBison]

He makes it way too simplistic. I never seen any mention of what exactly the players knew or did not know. Or what the accused actually told their teammates. I am just saying they are the only folks I feel I can't pass judgement on, other than those who actively participated or were direct witnesses.

With that said, those tweets questioning the firing are quite moronic; I fully agree on that as they should know the whole story now.

If a player makes a public statement without knowing the facts, I can judge that they are morons just fine.

[THEsocalledfan]

If a player makes a public statement without knowing the facts, I can judge that they are morons just fine.

Can't argue with that, but I will not pass judgement on them. Culture is clearly messed up with a lack of trust of their superiors. That would be my focus; how do you fix a culture?

[ByeSonBusiness]

They should hire Bohl but instead they'll go with the flashy pick and row the boat. Fleck will tank like most MAC coaches that get Big 10 jobs.

Yeah, like Saban, Meyer(twice removed, got his start in the MAC), Hayes, Schembechler, Parseghian, you know, bunch of nobodies.

[Vet70]

Yeah, like Saban, Meyer(twice removed, got his start in the MAC), Hayes, Schembechler, Parseghian, you know, bunch of nobodies.

You stated in the Wentz thread that because football has changed, comparing players 20 years ago with those today is ridiculous. But coaches are okay?

[PattyBison]

Can't argue with that, but I will not pass judgement on them. Culture is clearly messed up with a lack of trust of their superiors. That would be my focus; how do you fix a culture?

Get a coach who is a leader?

[ByeSonBusiness]

You stated in the Wentz thread that because football has changed, comparing players 20 years ago with those today is ridiculous. But coaches are okay?

Meyer was this century....the others you could argue against.

[HerdBot]

We won't get any Gopher transfers. We didn't even have enough scholarships to get James Johanneson who wanted to be here. We have 10 seniors and like 17 verbals, most who have FBS or multiple FCS offers

[THEsocalledfan]

Get a coach who is a leader?

I don't think that is enough and even more complicated than that. But, would be a start.

[Bisonator98]

We won't get any Gopher transfers. We didn't even have enough scholarships to get James Johanneson who wanted to be here. We have 10 seniors and like 17 verbals, most who have FBS or multiple FCS offers

Don't think we really want any of them either. Don't need those head aches.

[56BISON73]

We won't get any Gopher transfers. We didn't even have enough scholarships to get James Johanneson who wanted to be here. We have 10 seniors and like 17 verbals, most who have FBS or multiple FCS offers

Dont we usually have a couple of schollies in our back pocket? Last time I looked I thought we were at around 60? With that being said I wouldnt touch any of those players.

[oldmantutters]

If we are being honest, Antoine Winfield, Jr. and Blake Cashman would interest me as transfers.

[Bisonator98]

If we are being honest, Antoine Winfield, Jr. and Blake Cashman would interest me as transfers.

No thanks.

[unbison]

We won't get any Gopher transfers. We didn't even have enough scholarships to get James Johanneson who wanted to be here. We have 10 seniors and like 17 verbals, most who have FBS or multiple FCS offers

He didn't wanna be here

[oldmantutters]

He didn't wanna be here
Heard him on the radio saying something dumb about how great the atmosphere was at UND when he took a visit there. I'm guessing NDSU said they were pretty set at RB.

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[BisonAccountant44]

IMO this makes Coyle look like an idiot, Kaler like an ass, and confirms that nobody involved knew what the hell they were doing.

http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/05/why-did-the-gophers-boycott-a-team-leader-explains/



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[ByeSonBusiness]

Heard him on the radio saying something dumb about how great the atmosphere was at UND when he took a visit there. I'm guessing NDSU said they were pretty set at RB.

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There is such a thing as people wanting to go to other places. Und seems to be set at RB as well.

[EC8CH]

There is such a thing as people wanting to go to other places. Und seems to be set at RB as well.

There's also such a thing as people wanting other people to go other places...

:howdy:

[bisonaudit]

IMO this makes Coyle look like an idiot, Kaler like an ass, and confirms that nobody involved knew what the hell they were doing.

http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/05/why-did-the-gophers-boycott-a-team-leader-explains/



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I don't understand these players at all. They screwed up. They more or less acknowledge that they screwed up. He admits that the coach told them that if they boycotted it would cost him his job. They didn't listen to their leader. Exactly what he told them would happen did in fact happen, but somehow one of their complaints is a lack of leadership? I have no trouble locating where leadership is lacking. It's not the President or the AD or the coaching staff. It's in the locker room.

They insist there isn't a culture problem on the team but the group text thing was terrible they have to clean it up and those things can't happen? How is that not a culture problem? How is a gangbang respectful to women?

[BisonAccountant44]

I don't understand these players at all. They screwed up. They more or less acknowledge that they screwed up. He admits that the coach told them that if they boycotted it would cost him his job. They didn't listen to their leader. Exactly what he told them would happen did in fact happen, but somehow one of their complaints is a lack of leadership? I have no trouble locating where leadership is lacking. It's not the President or the AD or the coaching staff. It's in the locker room.

They insist there isn't a culture problem on the team but the group text thing was terrible they have to clean it up and those things can't happen? How is that not a culture problem? How is a gangbang respectful to women?
Agree with everything you're saying, but if the way Coyle addressed the team, the timing around the school releasing the players are refusing to talk statement, and the way Kaler worked with the team are portrayed accurately in that story, those two shouldn't be off the hook either.

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[tony]

IMO this makes Coyle look like an idiot, Kaler like an ass, and confirms that nobody involved knew what the hell they were doing.

http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/05/why-did-the-gophers-boycott-a-team-leader-explains/

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There's a lot of fail to go around, but when a person says, "We didn’t know what type of backlash because we don’t have insight into how sexual assault victims feel. We don’t know their thought processes, we have no connection," then that person looks clueless (at best.). For one, you don't have to be a victim to know something is wrong; you just have to be a human being. And, sadly, "the we have no connection" part is false because, based on the report, a large number of Gopher players had a connection to the victim.

"Well, yeah, 10 guys shot this guy in the head, but he was dead after the first person shot him so I don't see what the big deal is for the other 9. Plus, you know, none of us has ever been murdered, so we didn't really have insight into how murder victims feel. I was shocked to find out that they get pretty upset about it."

Of course, the player was talking to a reporter and it didn't sound like he had really thought things through. Hopefully, in retrospect, he'd formulate different answers and express his concerns in a way that doesn't make him sound like a sociopath.

[BisonTeacher]

There's a lot of fail to go around, but when a person says, "We didn’t know what type of backlash because we don’t have insight into how sexual assault victims feel. We don’t know their thought processes, we have no connection," then that person looks clueless (at best.). For one, you don't have to be a victim to know something is wrong; you just have to be a human being. And, sadly, "the we have no connection" part is false because, based on the report, a large number of Gopher players had a connection to the victim.

That is the one thing that struck me in this story....It made the players look even more stupid if thats even possible.

The other thing that struck me as odd was...."“We were 108 young adult, adolescent teen males trying to do this, and we had no outside voices in the room,So, obviously, we slipped up along the way.” You're asking to be treated fairly, and like adults, but then claim ignorance because youre just kids.

[bisonp]

Agree with everything you're saying, but if the way Coyle addressed the team, the timing around the school releasing the players are refusing to talk statement, and the way Kaler worked with the team are portrayed accurately in that story, those two shouldn't be off the hook either.

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I just can't put much stock into the player's side of the story when they act and speak so ignorantly. Perhaps there was a communication issue with the administration. But there is definitely an issue in that locker room.

We do know that they could not and should not have told the players the details of the investigation, as that was private information and should have remained so. We also know that once the players found out what happened in the investigation, they ended their boycott. That makes it look like they were mad they weren't privy to sensitive private information. But much of that information was available in the police reports which they did have access to prior to the boycott. They just didn't bother to look into it and instead assumed that since no legal charges were brought nothing inappropriate happened, even though they knew the jist of it.

So yeah, sorry the players just don't have much credibility in my mind.

[Bisonator98]

Heard him on the radio saying something dumb about how great the atmosphere was at UND when he took a visit there. I'm guessing NDSU said they were pretty set at RB.

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I heard a few things as well. Won't put them on here but let's just say I haven't lost any sleep over his decision.

[bisonaudit]

Fleck should be like "don't let it hit you where the good lord split you" with these guys.

That's cheesy enough for him to actually say.

[BisonTeacher]

I never seen any mention of what exactly the players knew or did not know. Or what the accused actually told their teammates. I am just saying they are the only folks I feel I can't pass judgement on, other than those who actively participated or were direct witnesses.

The more I think about this...the more it doesnt make sense from the players. Didnt this whole thing happen back in the fall? Wasnt it one of the cheerleaders who got a restraining order, and then some players were not allowed to show up at the stadium for game day because of said restraining order? How did they not know what it involved? Even if they didnt get Every detail from the accused...it had to seem sketchy. And lets be honest...kids dont keep secrets very well...there had to be rumblings what it was about. To claim total ignorance is just dumb. Then to claim they had no outside voices telling them what to do is just dumb.

[Son of a Bison]

That story really made me question what the cumulative IQ of the UM football team is despite the 3.0 team GPA. The story also made me realize how "lost" many of these players are to be so clueless and insensitive. I am surprised more women's lib groups haven't been mandating female sensitivity training for the team - deservedly so since men's basketball had a somewhat similar incident exposed recently too.

Finally, glad to be a Bison fan but that whole incident is bad for college athletics and I kind of feel bad for Claey having to deal with these players. Wow they left him out to dry!

[BisonTeacher]

that story really made me question what the cumulative iq of the um football team is despite the 3.0 team gpa. The story also made me realize how "lost" many of these players are to be so clueless and insensitive. I am surprised more women's lib groups haven't been mandating female sensitivity training for the team - deservedly so since men's basketball had a somewhat similar incident exposed recently too. and the ad sexting scandal

finally, glad to be a bison fan but that whole incident is bad for college athletics and i kind of feel bad for claey having to deal with these players. Wow they left him out to dry!

fify...................

[Son of a Bison]

fify...................

Forgot about Mr. Mega. Where did he end up?

[BisonTeacher]

Forgot about Mr. Mega. Where did he end up?

Rehab?

Ten Char

[Bison bison]

Forgot about Mr. Mega. Where did he end up?

He's on the Presidential transition team.

[Jay]

Four previous WMU verbals flipped to MN tonight.

[Bisonwinagn]

The more I think about this...the more it doesnt make sense from the players. Didnt this whole thing happen back in the fall? Wasnt it one of the cheerleaders who got a restraining order, and then some players were not allowed to show up at the stadium for game day because of said restraining order? How did they not know what it involved? Even if they didnt get Every detail from the accused...it had to seem sketchy. And lets be honest...kids dont keep secrets very well...there had to be rumblings what it was about. To claim total ignorance is just dumb. Then to claim they had no outside voices telling them what to do is just dumb.

There was no crime committed except for the crime of immorality. The players don't understand why their teammates have been suspended/ expelled for morality issues and that was the problem the whole time. Also the captains and the Coach should have been give the full findings of the Title IX review and their never would of been a boycott. Screw the privacy bullshit.

[Bisonwinagn]

The more I think about this...the more it doesnt make sense from the players. Didnt this whole thing happen back in the fall? Wasnt it one of the cheerleaders who got a restraining order, and then some players were not allowed to show up at the stadium for game day because of said restraining order? How did they not know what it involved? Even if they didnt get Every detail from the accused...it had to seem sketchy. And lets be honest...kids dont keep secrets very well...there had to be rumblings what it was about. To claim total ignorance is just dumb. Then to claim they had no outside voices telling them what to do is just dumb.

There was no crime committed except for the crime of immorality. The players don't understand why their teammates have been suspended/ expelled for morality issues and that was the problem the whole time. Also the captains and the Coach should have been give the full findings of the Title IX review and their never would of been a boycott. Screw the privacy bullshit.

[BisonAccountant44]

There was no crime committed except for the crime of immorality. The players don't understand why their teammates have been suspended/ expelled for morality issues and that was the problem the whole time. Also the captains and the Coach should have been give the full findings of the Title IX review and their never would of been a boycott. Screw the privacy bullshit.
I don't think the captains should have, but Clayes should have been asking for it at a minimum and Coyle should have told the players it existed and how it came to be to deescalate the situation in the meeting he led that brought in the boycott.


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[unbison]

I don't see us picking up any transfers but we should keep a eye on mn kids that have committed I wonder if fleck will honor all previous offers

[1998braves64]

After reading that interview with one of the captains, it seems to me the players didn't know exactly why these 10 players were being suspended since some of these were just slightly involved people from the assault. From this guys word Coyle and admin stated they didn't really know either. But then the fact that they named all 10 players to the public and stated it was due to the sex scandal when prior it was 5 of the players? I think that was the original number... They used the example of the wrestling team drug pushers were never named. So since these 10 players were black and apparently all the wrestlers white play a factor? Why couldn't this have been handled a bit less publicly I think was their point and that they didn't have enough adult supervision to help them decide how this would play out.



This whole thing reeks all around. Now Regents are getting after the whole process too, don't know if that will go anywhere though.

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[El_Chapo]

there will be some gopher recruits/players available. lets go get some!!

[BFKasper14]

I don't see us picking up any transfers but we should keep a eye on mn kids that have committed I wonder if fleck will honor all previous offers

NOPE


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[HerdBot]

Antoine Winfield JR we need a lockdown Corner and its been documented that his Alibi was legit and HE WASNT AT THE PARTY!

Really? We don't resort to recruiting losers because they are good at football. Plenty of players who are good at football and not losers

[El_Chapo]

Really? We don't resort to recruiting losers because they are good at football. Plenty of players who are good at football and not losers

herdbot calling Antoine Winfield JR a LOSER... #Priceless !

[ndsubison1]

Bamas front 7 on D is so nasty

[BisonAccountant44]

Winfield Jr. and 2 others have had their 1yr suspensions reversed on appeal.

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[HerdBot]

Winfield Jr. and 2 others have had their 1yr suspensions reversed on appeal.

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I still don't think anything more of them. Some people just aint right in the head.

[Vet70]

Winfield Jr. and 2 others have had their 1yr suspensions reversed on appeal.

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http://www.startribune.com/suspensions-overturned-for-two-gophers-in-alleged-sexual-assault/412735183/

[BisonAccountant44]

http://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/02/03/gopher-football-players-get-mixed-results-from-university-panel

Winfield - was 1 year suspension - cleared of all wrongdoing.
Green - was 1 year suspension - cleared of all wrongdoing.
McCrary - was 1 year suspension - cleared of all wrongdoing.
Shenault - was probation - cleared of all wrongdoing.
Mark Williams - was 1 year suspension - upheld.
Buford - was expulsion - upheld.
Hardin - was expulsion - upheld.
Dior Johnson - was expulsion - upheld.
Tamarion Johnson - was expulsion - upheld.
Djam - was expulsion - now 1 year suspension.

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[Son of a Bison]

That place is a train wreck. Or should I say Fleck wreck. Still wonder if the NCAA investigates since an underage recruit was involved in all of this. Pretty sure they have to given all the publicity and the whole Baylor situation.

[Son of a Bison]

Lots of lies and smack about former Bison players and program on gopher hole regarding this article. Many posters trashing local athletes who are living their dream in the NFL. Arrogance regarding quality of athletes NDSU vs UM. Do they not remember all of their very recent athlete and administrator sexual scandals? We have a former QB in the NFL, they have a former QB (Nelson) in prison.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/2/20/14612068/pj-fleck-minnesota-head-coach

[BisonTeacher]

Lots of lies and smack about former Bison players and program on gopher hole regarding this article. Many posters trashing local athletes who are living their dream in the NFL. Arrogance regarding quality of athletes NDSU vs UM. Do they not remember all of their very recent athlete and administrator sexual scandals? We have a former QB in the NFL, they have a former QB (Nelson) in prison.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/2/20/14612068/pj-fleck-minnesota-head-coach

Gopher fans are delusional about their place in the college football landscape. They just are. Ive lived it and seen it. Have they claimed they are winning the big ten this year yet? We need a gopher excuse/delusion thread.

They just bought themselves a few more years of mediocrity by choosing to row the boat over les Miles. Fleck is just brewster without the ADHD meds.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Fleck is just brewster without the ADHD meds.

This is so correct. Lots of rah rah will make them happy with mediocrity until his shtick gets old.

[BisonTeacher]

This is so correct. Lots of rah rah will make them happy with mediocrity until his shtick gets old.

AND....So many people that I've talked too have bought in to his garbage....Again. :facepalm:. I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think so.

[Bison Dan]

We beat Iowa at Iowa and Iowa beat the Gopher at home. Enough said!!!

[oldmantutters]

From the outside, it just seems like the University of Minn. has this attitude that things should be handed to them just because they are the University of Minn. I think that's why they were making progress under Kill, he was the kind of coach that seemed to know 'you get what you earn'. I remember when he was hired thinking it would be a good thing for them, but people weren't happy. A lot of them thought they were above hiring a coach from the MAC.

[tjbison]

A lot of them thought they were above hiring a coach from the MAC.

well 3 in a row must just make them jolly then

[BisonTeacher]

well 3 in a row must just make them jolly then

"Row"? I see what u did you there.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Row Row Row the dingy right through Dinky town, Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily to mediocrity.

[Trumpster]

to mediocrity.

If they're lucky

[Christopher Moen]

Lots of lies and smack about former Bison players and program on gopher hole regarding this article. Many posters trashing local athletes who are living their dream in the NFL. Arrogance regarding quality of athletes NDSU vs UM. Do they not remember all of their very recent athlete and administrator sexual scandals? We have a former QB in the NFL, they have a former QB (Nelson) in prison.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/2/20/14612068/pj-fleck-minnesota-head-coach

They don't understand NDSU's culture, tradition and player development ability. Instead, they try to point out Minnesota's higher entry requirements as a reason why they lose players to NDSU. With that train of thought, maybe NDSU can use the same excuse as to why we lose players to Alabama, which has requirements that are a "bit" lower than ours.

[El_Chapo]

U of Minnesota Junior day invites were 118.
Guess how many Minnesota kids? Z E R O

NDSU has to be ALL IN on Twin Cities recruiting, Fleck & Staff going nationwide for 3 star and 4 star kids will help NDSU solidify those 2 and 3 star kids. Gotta keep SDSU, USD, UND out of there now, that's a reason why NDSU shouldn't be with those 3... not good planning.

[EC8CH]

http://wwmt.com/news/local/pj-fleck-questioned-about-alleged-recruitment-of-former-bronco-linebacker

Row row row the boat gently down the recruiting violations.