Article about Montana and the WAC (NDSU is mentioned in passing)

[Professorbum]

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/haslam-montana-has-not-had-discussions-about-joining-revived-wac/article_d4fc00b1-f787-5785-824f-c9d1cb90b6be.html

I do wonder if this conference might be our future one day. This would be the easiest route to a G5 conference, and it would make sense regionally. I know NDSU's preferred timetable is a few years down the road. But if things started developing quickly in the next year and we had to $#!% or get off the pot, I could see it.

Those of you who hate talking about any and all things FBS, duly noted. You may move along now.

[56BISON73]

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/haslam-montana-has-not-had-discussions-about-joining-revived-wac/article_d4fc00b1-f787-5785-824f-c9d1cb90b6be.html

I do wonder if this conference might be our future one day. This would be the easiest route to a G5 conference, and it would make sense regionally. I know NDSU's preferred timetable is a few years down the road. But if things started developing quickly in the next year and we had to $#!% or get off the pot, I could see it.

Those of you who hate talking about any and all things FBS, duly noted. You may move along now.

Interesting article. Especially since the previous commissioner Fullerton said when asked about moving up to the FBS that he backed away from that idea because he just couldnt sell it. So I find it interesting that the one guy said he could get UM and MSU to jump.

[tjbison]

Lol, a glorified fcs conference that costs Millions more to win nothing Sign me up

MWC would be a no brainer, this not so much

[HerdBot]

I don't think there is much meat in the article. The only thing I can gather is Idaho really isn't that interested in FCS. Sounds like the writer is using Foolum tactics

Personally I think the wac could be interesting with a mix of top Big Sky and MVFC teams

[tony]

Lol, a glorified fcs conference that costs Millions more to win nothing Sign me up

MWC would be a no brainer, this not so much

The MWC doesn't even have very good bowl tie-ins, but at least they have some. Don't think that we'd see four new bowl games created just for the WAC.

MWC bowl tie-ins (just looking at them is depressing):

– Famous Idaho Potato Bowl vs. MAC
– Gildan New Mexico Bowl vs. Conference USA
– Hawai’i Bowl vs. American Athletic
– NOVA Home Loans Arizona Bowl vs. Conference USA (or Sun Belt if C-USA not available)
– San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia vs. BYU (or MAC if BYU not available)

source: http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/college-football-bowl-ties-affiliations-conference

[aces1180]

The MWC doesn't even have very good bowl tie-ins, but at least they have some. Don't think that we'd see four new bowl games created just for the WAC.

MWC bowl tie-ins (just looking at them is depressing):

– Famous Idaho Potato Bowl vs. MAC
– Gildan New Mexico Bowl vs. Conference USA
– Hawai’i Bowl vs. American Athletic
– NOVA Home Loans Arizona Bowl vs. Conference USA (or Sun Belt if C-USA not available)
– San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia vs. BYU (or MAC if BYU not available)

source: http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/college-football-bowl-ties-affiliations-conference

Hawaii and San Diego in December? Yes please! Other than that, I still like the playoffs.

[THEsocalledfan]

The MWC doesn't even have very good bowl tie-ins, but at least they have some. Don't think that we'd see four new bowl games created just for the WAC.

MWC bowl tie-ins (just looking at them is depressing):

– Famous Idaho Potato Bowl vs. MAC
– Gildan New Mexico Bowl vs. Conference USA
– Hawai’i Bowl vs. American Athletic
– NOVA Home Loans Arizona Bowl vs. Conference USA (or Sun Belt if C-USA not available)
– San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia vs. BYU (or MAC if BYU not available)

source: http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/college-football-bowl-ties-affiliations-conference

What a hot pile of dog shit.....are the MAC tie ins any better?

[tony]

What a hot pile of dog shit.....are the MAC tie ins any better?

No, but there are more of them.

– Famous Idaho Potato Bowl vs. Mountain West
– Dollar General Bowl vs. Sun Belt
– Miami Beach Bowl vs. American Athletic
– Popeyes Bahamas Bowl vs. Conference USA
– Raycom Media Camellia Bowl vs. Sun Belt

Conditional:
– Quick Lane Bowl: Conditional if ACC or Big Ten can’t fill a spot.
– San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl: Conditional if BYU or Mountain West can’t fill a spot.

The only one that is interesting to me is the Quick Lane bowl because the MAC team plays a P5 team - but that game only occurs under certain circumstances. Every non-conditional bowl is G5 v G5.

Yeah, some of the bowl sites would be fun for a winter break but, honestly, going to a football game in Hawaii or the Bahamas fills me full of meh.

MSP, Chicago, Green Bay, KC, Denver - I'd much rather watch football in those places.

[Professorbum]

NDSU has said that it wants to end up in the 2nd highest level of football when all the dust settles once and for all. Whatever that level is called later, it is the G5 now. The WAC could make it G6. And it could be made up of the best of our current rivals--a nice mix of quality MVFC and BSC teams. Those who said after Iowa that we should stay FCS and just keep beating the FBS teams when we play them are forgetting that the opportunity to play FBS teams is going away. Oregon may well be the last FBS team we play if things stay the same (and that's if Oregon doesn't buy us out and cancel the game). Doing FBS on the cheap (relatively speaking) by using the WAC still gives us access to those higher end opponents. I don't know why some think it would be such a bad idea, as compared to other non-P5 conferences.

[bisonaudit]

NDSU has said that it wants to end up in the 2nd highest level of football when all the dust settles once and for all. Whatever that level is called later, it is the G5 now. The WAC could make it G6. And it could be made up of the best of our current rivals--a nice mix of quality MVFC and BSC teams. Those who said after Iowa that we should stay FCS and just keep beating the FBS teams when we play them are forgetting that the opportunity to play FBS teams is going away. Oregon may well be the last FBS team we play if things stay the same (and that's if Oregon doesn't buy us out and cancel the game). Doing FBS on the cheap (relatively speaking) by using the WAC still gives us access to those higher end opponents. I don't know why some think it would be such a bad idea, as compared to other non-P5 conferences.

It's all about value for money as far as I'm concerned. The G5 business model is broken. It's all of the cost of P5 with none of the benefit. And its getting worse not better, TV money is shrinking for those conferences.

[Bison 4 Life]

NDSU has said that it wants to end up in the 2nd highest level of football when all the dust settles once and for all. Whatever that level is called later, it is the G5 now. The WAC could make it G6. And it could be made up of the best of our current rivals--a nice mix of quality MVFC and BSC teams. Those who said after Iowa that we should stay FCS and just keep beating the FBS teams when we play them are forgetting that the opportunity to play FBS teams is going away. Oregon may well be the last FBS team we play if things stay the same (and that's if Oregon doesn't buy us out and cancel the game). Doing FBS on the cheap (relatively speaking) by using the WAC still gives us access to those higher end opponents. I don't know why some think it would be such a bad idea, as compared to other non-P5 conferences.

The G5(6) has to become STRUCTURALLY the 2nd tier and not just because of competitive imbalance. Currently they compete for the same things that the P5 do and they lose all the time. No way I want to be part of that until there is a separate championship for which all schools of the same level compete.

[NDSUguy]

The G5(6) has to become STRUCTURALLY the 2nd tier and not just because of competitive imbalance. Currently they compete for the same things that the P5 do and they lose all the time. No way I want to be part of that until there is a separate championship for which all schools of the same level compete.

Not saying that i'm pro FBS but.... if this logic is correct we might as well shut down EVERY other athletic program sans football. There is NO way that we win a national championship in any other sport - and we compete "at the same level".

If you're a G5 school you compete in FBS football for prestige, money and notoriety. There will never be a G5 national champion in the current setup. Yet, you don't see people (outside of Idaho) dropping down because they would better be mediocre at the best level of football than great at a lesser level.

[bisonaudit]

Not saying that i'm pro FBS but.... if this logic is correct we might as well shut down EVERY other athletic program sans football. There is NO way that we win a national championship in any other sport - and we compete "at the same level".

If you're a G5 school you compete in FBS football for prestige, money and notoriety. There will never be a G5 national champion in the current setup. Yet, you don't see people (outside of Idaho) dropping down because they would better be mediocre at the best level of football than great at a lesser level.

I've got to ask. "Money for who?" Administrators, presidents, middle management, coaches, Presidents; sure. The institution. Not so much. These programs do not pay their own way and they're an increasing burden on the students and the states that they are supposed to be serving.

[THEsocalledfan]

Did the G5 folks read the hot piles of dog shit bowl games? They don't even get to play P5 teams for those which was an eye opener for me. So, basically, 1 G5 team gets to play a P5 team in an old BCS bowl, and maybe one more gets to for the two conference NDSU would need to consider. And no opportunity to play for a national title. (Say what you want about other sports, but it is possible to win a national title even if exceedingly unlikely; see Coastal Carolina Baseball......) And a good share of the costs.

I see no logic in this until an actual structural change happens. Not to mention, no one is doing anything about the Dome issue, and that is too small even if we stay FCS. (Yes, I know it is okay size compared to others, but it is not big enough for us.)

[Bisonator98]

No way in hell would I want NDSU in the WAC. At least not as it is currently. Why would any school this side of the rockies want to be in a conference with California schools???

I'd be OK with the NAC = Northern Athletic Conference:

West division: Idaho, Idaho State, Montana, Montana State, Eastern Washington, New Mexico State
East Division: North Dakota State, South Dakota State, South Dakota, North Dakota, Northern Iowa, Western Illinois(or Illinois State, Missouri State)

[oldmantutters]

No way in hell would I want NDSU in the WAC. At least not as it is currently. Why would any school this side of the rockies want to be in a conference with California schools???

I'd be OK with the NAC = Northern Athletic Conference:

West division: Idaho, Idaho State, Montana, Montana State, Eastern Washington, New Mexico State
East Division: North Dakota State, South Dakota State, South Dakota, North Dakota, Northern Iowa, Western Illinois(or Illinois State, Missouri State)

Nope. First off, UND. Nope. Second, I'm for moving up if it makes sense. I'm not sure creating a new conference makes sense, and if it consisted of the aforementioned schools, it wouldn't make sense. For football it doesn't look awful. For basketball BSC teams do nothing for me and I'm pretty sure UNI and ISU-R would never leave the MVC.

[Bisonator98]

Nope. First off, UND. Nope. Second, I'm for moving up if it makes sense. I'm not sure creating a new conference makes sense, and if it consisted of the aforementioned schools, it wouldn't make sense. For football it doesn't look awful. For basketball BSC teams do nothing for me and I'm pretty sure UNI and ISU-R would never leave the MVC.

First off UND does make sense. You may not like them, I surely don't, doesn't matter. Secondly there is no existing FBS conference that makes sense. Thirdly, the MVC without Wichita State or UNI is meh anyway. People seem to have an unrealistic view of the MVC as this great BB power. Outside of a couple schools it is not that great anymore. Plus the MVC is ruled by the privates now. Combining state flagship schools with a few power schools in FB and BB makes a good conference IMO.

[THEsocalledfan]

First off UND does make sense. You may not like them, I surely don't, doesn't matter. Secondly there is no existing FBS conference that makes sense. Thirdly, the MVC without Wichita State or UNI is meh anyway. People seem to have an unrealistic view of the MVC as this great BB power. Outside of a couple schools it is not that great anymore. Plus the MVC is ruled by the privates now. Combining state flagship schools with a few power schools in FB and BB makes a good conference IMO.

No, they don't make sense. They are in a full blown budget meltdown with high student fee and state subsidization.

[bisonaudit]

No, they don't make sense. They are in a full blown budget meltdown with high student fee and state subsidization.

See, they fit right in with the rest of the G5.

[abc123]

No, they don't make sense. They are in a full blown budget meltdown with high student fee and state subsidization.
UND has the lowest subsidy on 98's list outside of NDSU and Montana. The "full-blown budget meltdown" has been mostly taken care of and now they are doing what they should have done a decade ago and cut some extra fat to strengthen what is left.

[El_Chapo]

Mountain West only options. the rest of this is BS.

FARGODOME sold out at 20k works in the MWC

Going to Warm places for bowl games is awesome.

then you build a new 42k stadium on campus and shoot for the big 12 after 5 years

[GRAFTONBISON]

UND has the lowest subsidy on 98's list outside of NDSU and Montana. The "full-blown budget meltdown" has been mostly taken care of and now they are doing what they should have done a decade ago and cut some extra fat to strengthen what is left.

So you are saying the U of child porn is slow to reacting and taking care of "things"?

[HerdBot]

UND has the lowest subsidy on 98's list outside of NDSU and Montana. The "full-blown budget meltdown" has been mostly taken care of and now they are doing what they should have done a decade ago and cut some extra fat to strengthen what is left.


Totally agree. If the Dakota schools got funded at the same levels as most schools, we would have budgets of 30 million dollars. Seems like the further north you get, the wiser with money people get. Blows me away that schools like Misery State, Illinois State, etc get like 75% of their budget from tax payers.

[NDSU1980]

UND has the lowest subsidy on 98's list outside of NDSU and Montana. The "full-blown budget meltdown" has been mostly taken care of and now they are doing what they should have done a decade ago and cut some extra fat to strengthen what is left.

No one from UN_ has ever said how you are going to pay for COA, and that isn't included in this years budget deficit/fiasco. How can you say it's over when they haven't even started to cut? You have no idea there darell.