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2011BisonAlumni
10-14-2015, 02:18 PM
While I think this team is certainly capable of winning #5, I often times have felt they are just missing a guy or two. If you could bring back one player this year, who?

I would take John Crockett or Travis Beck. Either one of those guys would put this team over the top.

StL Bison Fan
10-14-2015, 02:19 PM
Travis Beck.
Makes Chuck Norris look like a moma's boy.

rosh
10-14-2015, 02:20 PM
Grant Olson

Bisonator98
10-14-2015, 02:23 PM
Christian Dudzick. Would really help the secondary and punt return game.

Professor Chaos
10-14-2015, 02:26 PM
Travis Beck.
Makes Chuck Norris look like a moma's boy.
I agree on Beck.

To add someone outside the box to the discussion how about a guy like Austin Richard? I think the O-line could use a little attitude since, as a unit, they haven't risen to the expectations that most of us thought they would be this year. Austin wasn't the most talented or physically gifted guy but he had a junkyard dog mentality that I think would give a kick in the rear to the O-line as a whole.

....of course you could just go with Billy Turner, he wouldn't be bad for the O-line to have back either.

southcliffbison
10-14-2015, 02:29 PM
Kyle Emanuel..... just because

Herd
10-14-2015, 02:34 PM
Lamar Gorden: He was masterful cutting between the tackles and was a 25 carry 200 yard guy day in and day out. His combo of size, speed and cutting ability are pretty rare. He had King/Chase power, D. Anderson's shiftiness, and Bruce/Lance speed.

In the secondary, I'd bring in Craig Dahl's secondary QB ability. None better.

Is Billy Turner available? You asked . . .

TransAmBison
10-14-2015, 02:34 PM
I agree on Beck.

To add someone outside the box to the discussion how about a guy like Austin Richard? I think the O-line could use a little attitude since, as a unit, they haven't risen to the expectations that most of us thought they would be this year. Austin wasn't the most talented or physically gifted guy but he had a junkyard dog mentality that I think would give a kick in the rear to the O-line as a whole.

....of course you could just go with Billy Turner, he wouldn't be bad for the O-line to have back either.I would definitely go with Billy over Austin...as Austin was a bit penalty prone...(if I was picking a o-lineman)

So hard to pick just one. Dahl or Dudzik would be excellent choices for Safety. Mays, Olson, or Beck would be great for linebackers. Phil Hansen or Emmanuel if a d-lineman. Too hard to narrow it down...

EC8CH
10-14-2015, 02:36 PM
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bisonmike2
10-14-2015, 02:39 PM
On offense, Crockett or Roehl. It feels like we are missing that homerun hitter at the RB position this year. With Wentz playing at the level he is right now, if we had that in the backfield our offense would be unstoppable.

M-Will. With him and Smith the pass game would be locked down.

BisonNation11
10-14-2015, 02:46 PM
Offense would be Roehl. Kid was unstoppable and he put the fear in defenses. Defense would be Beck. Your read option problems would disappear, your off-tackle runs would disappear, your blitz would get to the QB and they would lose whoever he is matched up against in the run game. Straight baller.

El_Chapo
10-14-2015, 02:49 PM
M WILL him and CJ would shut down any passing game and M WILL could return kicks/punts for Touchdowns something that we DONT HAVE RIGHT NOW.

aces1180
10-14-2015, 02:50 PM
Russ Yeager

/thread

In all seriousness, it would have to be Rob Hunt...Dude was a stud at center.

Bison Loaf
10-14-2015, 03:12 PM
On offense, it would be Ryan Smith. On defense, Travis Beck. Both had the multiple skill sets that tied together what we attempt to do on offense and on defense.

IMO, we still haven't yet adequately replaced either of those skill sets (within a single player, at least), although maybe with Sheppard on offense, we are getting close...........I'm hopeful.

wagsabison
10-14-2015, 03:14 PM
Grant Olson... just for the coin toss

TransAmBison
10-14-2015, 03:14 PM
On offense, it would be Ryan Smith. On defense, Travis Beck. Both had the multiple skill sets that tied together what we attempt to do on offense and on defense.

IMO, we still haven't yet adequately replaced either of those skill sets (within a single player, at least), although maybe with Sheppard on offense, we are getting close...........I'm hopeful.RJ is pretty close...

HerdBot
10-14-2015, 03:21 PM
Grant Olson

I love Grant but the point of the thread is to fill a spot, and that would mean benching DeLuca who is arguably our best player.

So I would have to go with either Marcus Williams or either Dudzik or Heagle on defense. Probably Dudzik for his return skills. Safeties are super talented but young and learning.

On offense... Crockett

Bison Loaf
10-14-2015, 03:21 PM
RJ is pretty close...

I agree, but maybe lacking a little of the tremendous speed that Smith had? Smith was also, of course, an excellent and dangerous kick returner, which we don't get to see from RJ (not saying he couldn't be, though). And we haven't really seen RJ in the Jet Sweep either, although he HAS shown some very good running ability and elusiveness after the catch.

Shep seems to be more of a candidate for ALL of these things (speed, returns & jet sweep), in the long term.

Thundering Herd
10-14-2015, 03:26 PM
One player? Easy. On offense: Billy turner, Tyler jangula, Tyler roehl, Ryan smith and kole heckendorf. On defense: Travis beck, dudzik, Joe mays, heagle, emanuel, olson, mwill, Leevon perry... ok, not so easy.

Herd
10-14-2015, 03:28 PM
I agree, but maybe lacking a little of the tremendous speed that Smith had? Smith was also, of course, an excellent and dangerous kick returner, which we don't get to see from RJ (not saying he couldn't be, though). And we haven't really seen RJ in the Jet Sweep either, although he HAS shown some very good running ability and elusiveness after the catch.

Shep seems to be more of a candidate for ALL of these things (speed, returns & jet sweep), in the long term.

You see . . . Smith was a HS running back, while RJ was a HS Receiver. Smith was converted to receiver, and brings a runners mentality to the jet sweep running plays. RJ is a great receiver, but doesn't have Smith's natural ability to tote it, although he can tote it too.

bruinbison
10-14-2015, 03:28 PM
Stacy Robinson at WR for Carson Wentz.
Wow, what a HR combo that would be.
Would demand over the top safety help on each play,
And if they don't :hungry:

StL Bison Fan
10-14-2015, 03:33 PM
Richards was indeed nasty. Sometimes his penalties served notice.
A healthly Matt Gratzek was no slouch. And I would say Paul Cornick was fairly good.

Bison Loaf
10-14-2015, 03:47 PM
You see . . . Smith was a HS running back, while RJ was a HS Receiver. Smith was converted to receiver, and brings a runners mentality to the jet sweep running plays. RJ is a great receiver, but doesn't have Smith's natural ability to tote it, although he can tote it too.

Exactly. And, believe me, I'm well familiar with Smith's high school days! :)

But, just to be clear, that's not to say that I believe one would HAVE to be a converted running back in order to mirror Smith's skills and contributions.

HerdBot
10-14-2015, 03:52 PM
Gene Masseth.

OatmealWicket92
10-14-2015, 03:52 PM
I was going to say Austin Richard just because of personal ties, but performance-wise I probably would bring back Heagle. Favorite player to watch over the last few years.

td577
10-14-2015, 03:59 PM
Beck. In my opinion, he showed when he went down he was as close to being irreplaceable as anyone. We have been so fortunate to have talented players who make everyone around them better and I think Beck is near the top of that list.

HoopsBison
10-14-2015, 04:00 PM
Austin was a stud but were pretty solid up front. I think I would go with RB or OLB.

RB's:
1.Crockett
2. Roehl
3. Gordon

OLB:
1.Humber
2.Beck

Farmer63
10-14-2015, 04:06 PM
Marcus Williams

TransAmBison
10-14-2015, 04:13 PM
Maybe this should be a game by game substitution? For teh silly bunnies, Leevon Perry.

Bison"FANatic"
10-14-2015, 04:14 PM
Joe Mays

This is totally for my personal enjoyment, I don't think he would be that much of a upgrade over Deluca if at all. The reason for me would be I just loved watching him dish out hits, no one comes close to the thump he would lay on people and how you could hear it in the dome. It was like a explosion and just made you cringe but dang was it fun to watch, not so much from a opponents point of view though.

HoopsBison
10-14-2015, 04:20 PM
Joe Mays

This is totally for my personal enjoyment, I don't think he would be that much of a upgrade over Deluca if at all. The reason for me would be I just loved watching him dish out hits, no one comes close to the thump he would lay on people and how you could hear it in the dome. It was like a explosion and just made you cringe but dang was it fun to watch, not so much from a opponents point of view though.

Watching him and Humber run around and lay the wood was pretty awesome.

GOBISON123
10-14-2015, 04:21 PM
Marcus Williams

Marcus Williams and Leevon Perry or Travis Beck

gizmo
10-14-2015, 04:46 PM
Billy Turner

KilldeerBison
10-14-2015, 04:52 PM
Defense: Mays or Beck. Offense: Roehl. Special Teams: Drago (made teams fear his pass/punt option:))

IzzyFlexion
10-14-2015, 05:07 PM
http://www.inforum.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_1000/public/field/image/JangulaT.jpg?itok=GI9__ELV

I'm gonna quote this post everytime I open this thread..................................just so ya know.

SUBISON247
10-14-2015, 05:10 PM
Phil Hansen

LikeMothers
10-14-2015, 05:11 PM
Since you didn't specify the sport...

Rhonda Birch

Bisonator98
10-14-2015, 05:43 PM
Since you didn't specify the sport...

Rhonda Birch

Since it's the football thread, what position is she gonna play??? :)

thundarsdaddy
10-14-2015, 05:51 PM
Travis Beck...my heart says so. Loved the guy, he epitomized Bison Pride, the Herd mentality, and was so versatile. But part of me wants Colton Heagle also...when Heagle was on his game, (and that was almost every game), he made tackle after tackle, yet defended as a safety as well as anyone. But there was this guy named Charlie Stock too...SHIT this is hard!!!

cbline
10-14-2015, 05:57 PM
One player??? Ditka.

ByeSonBusiness
10-14-2015, 06:17 PM
Lamar Gordon was the man when I was in grade school. Would like to see him play in today's game. Tony Satter looks great in all the highlight videos. Would be great to see how some of the D2 greats would do today. I'm sure they'd still be awesome.

BYZEN
10-14-2015, 06:37 PM
Chuck Norris wears Travis Beck pajamas....:biggrin:

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/194/files/2012/12/Travis-Beck1.jpg


Butt still, I have to give Tyrone Braxton some love in this thread...

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2006/1204/20061204_030653_ol04braxton_200.jpg

OrygunBison
10-14-2015, 06:42 PM
Two words: Joe Fucking Toth.

CaBisonFan
10-14-2015, 06:43 PM
Crockett.....

RedRiver
10-14-2015, 06:49 PM
The major issue with the Bison is that the defense is giving up too many big plays, both by pass and run. An experienced safety would cure all, I'll go with Craig Dahl.

Mayville Bison
10-14-2015, 06:50 PM
Offense Grothmann - would mean we are running power I all day :)
Defense much tougher - probably Heagle, MWill, or Tyrone Braxton




Butt still, I have to give Tyrone Braxton some love in this thread...

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2006/1204/20061204_030653_ol04braxton_200.jpg

Beat me to it

westnodak93bison
10-14-2015, 06:59 PM
Steve Nelson or Jerry Dahl

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Snowgoose
10-14-2015, 07:33 PM
Roehl and Dahl for most impact. Although Mike Favor would be nice since we are injured at that position.

2011BisonAlumni
10-14-2015, 09:21 PM
Jose Mohler

SafeTeeJ
10-14-2015, 09:28 PM
Kenny Clark. No one could play inside out on the read option better than him.

garbageman
10-14-2015, 09:34 PM
Jose Mohler

Nick Mertens

Mr Meaty
10-14-2015, 09:40 PM
:offtopic:
Nick Mertens

He still has more Priority Points than most since he is a former athlete. Oops is this still a sore subject with some? My Bad. :hide:

westnodak93bison
10-14-2015, 09:41 PM
Nick Mertens
I would have loved to see Nick run a heavy qb run read option.

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ByeSonBusiness
10-14-2015, 09:59 PM
I would have loved to see Nick run a heavy qb run read option.

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Dude would been winning back to back titles before it was cool.

17>1
10-14-2015, 10:11 PM
I'd bring back a guy that could be an immediate help to this team by plugging them into a specific position, as I interpreted that was the direction of the thread. 4 areas that seem to be general concern with this years Bison team are front 7 defense, running back play, safeties and the offensive line. I don't really want to be specific in naming names of current players I'd replace so I'll name a former player for each of those 4 spots and think they'd be a big help.

Defense- I'm on board with Travis Beck at the OLB spot. He played the run and defended the pass so well, that he could be a big help against a read option QB with the skill set of Bailey or Roberson.
Running Back- Feel like I'd like to see someone that can get 4 yards when we absolutely need it. Tyler Roehl would be my guy. Great combination of speed and power, and another ND kid so you gotta like that.
Offensive Line- Gotta keep the ND thing going with Austin Richard at guard. I wouldn't replace Haeg with Turner at tackle because I think Joe does a tremendous job. Back to Austin and having that mean streak with his one personal foul a game, and how he would give this current line more of an edge.
Safeties- We've seen many great safeties at NDSU with Essler, Schommer, Dahl, Dudz and Heags, but I'd go with the Ironman Christian Dudzik. He was Mr. Reliable back there and always seemed to make big plays when we needed them most.

Good thread idea!!

Scooter1
10-14-2015, 10:17 PM
There are a few that I would like to bring back so they could ride the bench. You can never have enough experienced back ups. :hide:

VirginiaBison
10-14-2015, 10:18 PM
Only one... Ardell Weigandt.....

Otherwise the entire 1965 Bison Football team ...

bisononce
10-14-2015, 10:55 PM
Bruce Airheart, from the 60s. Slashing runner and a warrior.

Thomas96
10-14-2015, 11:12 PM
Don't suppose any of you remember the great Mike Gidley.

westnodak93bison
10-15-2015, 12:54 AM
Is there any film available from the 60's championship teams? That would be cool to have on youtube

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1bizon1
10-15-2015, 03:42 AM
Mike Favor, Snuffy Byers or Joe Mays

Ndsu84
10-15-2015, 03:56 AM
I really miss Travis Beck, Heagle, and Dudzik's speed.

Grothman's blocking, he'd knock down the first level and get into the second.

Bison4peat
10-15-2015, 05:22 AM
Schommer, absolute authority when he lined someone up.

td577
10-15-2015, 11:00 AM
I really miss Travis Beck, Heagle, and Dudzik's speed.

Grothman's blocking, he'd knock down the first level and get into the second.

In fairness to the present crew, there is a lot of athleticism on the current roster. I remember when Dudzik was first playing as a CB. He was getting torched at least once a game until about half way through his first season. Then the lightbulb seemed to switch on and he became a very good corner. Even though he was out of position, I think he would have become all-American at CB before he was done. The way it was, he was an awesome safety. Certainly under appreciated outside Bison nation because he deserved more accolades, but that is the way of Bison football. He was part of a team.

Kevin
10-15-2015, 11:24 AM
Tough question but I'll have to say Travis Beck too.

unbison
10-15-2015, 12:04 PM
I'll pick one of the most undervalued imo Ramon humber

Da Bison
10-15-2015, 02:37 PM
If we're talking about stopping the read option or an option attack........................

I think the Ga. Southern fans would agree with me on this, Colten "Golden Eagle" Heagle who single handedly (literaly) took down the GSU option attack (22 tackles) wearing a cast on one arm.

THEsocalledfan
10-15-2015, 03:51 PM
Craig Dahl; man, could we use him.

Thunder_Struck
10-15-2015, 03:59 PM
Phil Hanson

thebigund
10-15-2015, 04:42 PM
Brock Jensen. NDSU would have 0 losses on the season. Think about it.

CAS4127
10-15-2015, 04:56 PM
Roehl on offense.

A healthy (no shoulder or knee problems) Travis Beck on defense.

IzzyFlexion
10-16-2015, 01:10 AM
Brock Jensen. NDSU would have 0 losses on the season. Think about it.

Objection, your honor................Conjecture................

SamsRams
10-16-2015, 01:57 AM
Easy for me, my dad Sam Neis. Probably be a 3rd stringer but dammit I miss him

GOBISON123
10-16-2015, 02:50 AM
Brock Jensen. NDSU would have 0 losses on the season. Think about it.

Brock Jensen and crew will always be etched too deep in the hearts and minds of Bison faithful. Those guys did it without the Urzendowskis and Shepards...bunch of guys playing old school hard hitting brass knuckle football

BisonCardinal
10-16-2015, 12:45 PM
Defense - Mike Stratton
Offense - T R McDonald - hands of glue and it would be cool to have a TR and RJ in receiving corps.

56BISON73
10-16-2015, 03:47 PM
Brock Jensen and crew will always be etched too deep in the hearts and minds of Bison faithful. Those guys did it without the Urzendowskis and Shepards...bunch of guys playing old school hard hitting brass knuckle football

This is a message board. Not a creative writing class assignment.

HandoEX
10-16-2015, 04:23 PM
Offense: Lamar Gordon
Defense: Craig Dahl or Colton Heagle

ZHerd
10-16-2015, 05:55 PM
This is a message board. Not a creative writing class assignment.

Not to mention it was silly and innacurate. As if Brock didn't have Holloway, Vraa and Ryan Smith to throw to. I don't know how anyone could say Shepherd doesn't fit the iron man profile after last game.

Jay
10-16-2015, 06:03 PM
Based on team need... outside the box... Travis White to return punts. Richard Lewis was a good PR back about 15 years as well.

missingnumber7
10-16-2015, 06:37 PM
Jared Essler,Craig Dahl, Tyrone Braxton one of those guys for the safety help.

56BISON73
10-16-2015, 09:52 PM
Not to mention it was silly and innacurate. As if Brock didn't have Holloway, Vraa and Ryan Smith to throw to. I don't know how anyone could say Shepherd doesn't fit the iron man profile after last game.

Because hes a troll?

westnodak93bison
10-16-2015, 10:21 PM
After further review I'd say Stacy Robinson. Blow the f ing top off the defense. I'd probably be saying throw the damn ball! Hide

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BisonJump
10-16-2015, 11:16 PM
After further review I'd say Stacy Robinson. Blow the f ing top off the defense. I'd probably be saying throw the damn ball! Hide

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I was just about to post the same thing. Former teammate of mine in the track team. Miss that guy!

Bisonville GasMan
10-17-2015, 01:10 AM
I was just about to post the same thing. Former teammate of mine in the track team. Miss that guy!

What did he run in track? 100, 200, and relays I'm assuming...any fond stories to share?


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CaBisonFan
10-18-2015, 12:55 AM
Again...I'll say...John Crockett.

Bison 4 Life
10-18-2015, 01:00 AM
Brent Vigen.

CentennialBison
10-18-2015, 01:05 AM
Brent Vigen.
You sir, win the thread.

NDSUstudent
10-18-2015, 01:06 AM
Travis Beck.

westnodak93bison
10-18-2015, 01:14 AM
Nobody. This team needs to define itself and show up.

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02Bison
10-18-2015, 01:00 PM
Heagle. He was a stud and his absence is obvious this year. From run support to securing the secondary he did it all!

gizmo
10-18-2015, 01:50 PM
I said Billy Turner before. Now I'll say Billy x 5!

Tony Almeida
10-18-2015, 04:25 PM
Heagle. He was a stud and his absence is obvious this year. From run support to securing the secondary he did it all!


I said Billy Turner before. Now I'll say Billy x 5!

This is a little easier to answer now...

ZHerd
10-18-2015, 09:58 PM
Based on current need...Grant Olson, and not to replace Deluca (who I really like). I would see if one of them couldn't be moved outside. Thing is, Grant wasn't a "kid." He was an intelligent, vocal, manly acting, tough, passionate, natural leader with great character on top of everything else. I don't know who is currently leading out on the field but I'm curious how much difference his presence, voice, situational awareness and know how would make out there.

A1pigskin
10-19-2015, 12:57 AM
Offense would be Roehl. Kid was unstoppable and he put the fear in defenses. Defense would be Beck. Your read option problems would disappear, your off-tackle runs would disappear, your blitz would get to the QB and they would lose whoever he is matched up against in the run game. Straight baller.

I would go with this as well. And bring Shamen Washington back for kick and punt returns.

Tony Almeida
10-19-2015, 04:35 AM
I would go with this as well. And bring Shamen Washington back for kick and punt returns.

If you want a kick and punt returner, then Richard Lewis is the guy you bring back. He was so quick and light on his feet and made everyone miss...every time he received the kickoff, you knew he was going to return it for at least 30-40 yards if he wasn't taking it to the house...best returner I have ever seen!

Rumor was Green Bay had plans for him as returner until he tore up his knee, maybe someone can chime in and tell us the real truth...


All great ideas in previous posts...it's too bad this thread title doesn't read "If you could bring back one former player in each position to put on this team..."

Trim
10-19-2015, 04:43 AM
CPF Sean Fredricks or Phil Hansen. Nuff said.

bisonmike2
10-19-2015, 01:55 PM
Changing my mind. This defense could use some Grant Olson. They need the kind of toughness he could bring. Like the time when only needed one game versus Wofford to set the single season tackle record. Or when he played in the national championship game on a leg that was held together using only shoelaces from his football cleats as sticthes they he sewn together himself with no pain meds. That dude was a warrior who could single handedly toughen up this group.

StL Bison Fan
10-19-2015, 02:25 PM
We don't really need to bring back Rohl. He may just be on the sideline but he's here.

2011BisonAlumni
10-19-2015, 03:13 PM
Changing my mind. This defense could use some Grant Olson. They need the kind of toughness he could bring. Like the time when only needed one game versus Wofford to set the single season tackle record. Or when he played in the national championship game on a leg that was held together using only shoelaces from his football cleats as sticthes they he sewn together himself with no pain meds. That dude was a warrior who could single handedly toughen up this group.

Most overrated Bison defensive player of all time.

Give me the American Badass Travis Beck. This read option problem would be gone.

TransAmBison
10-19-2015, 03:22 PM
Most overrated Bison defensive player of all time.

Give me the American Badass Travis Beck. This read option problem would be gone.There are no words for how horrible the first part of this post is...

Bison Loaf
10-19-2015, 03:26 PM
Most overrated Bison defensive player of all time.

Give me the American Badass Travis Beck. This read option problem would be gone.


There are no words for how horrible the first part of this post is...

Agreed! There is no reason WHAT-SO-EVER to disparage Olson.

2011BisonAlumni
10-19-2015, 03:27 PM
There are no words for how horrible the first part of this post is...

Meh it is the truth. Probably the best guy to ever put on a Bison uniform. Not anywhere close to the linebacker everyone made him out to be.

EC8CH
10-19-2015, 03:29 PM
There are no words for how horrible the first part of this post is...

I'll one up you... I dislike the premise of this entire thread.

devin45k
10-19-2015, 03:31 PM
Meh it is the truth. Probably the best guy to ever put on a Bison uniform. Not anywhere close to the linebacker everyone made him out to be.

I can't agree with this....the guy got 29 total tackles against Wofford in the playoffs.

If you are saying that he isn't head and shoulders above the other linebackers he played with like Littlejohn and Beck, then I can understand a little of where you are coming from.

devin45k
10-19-2015, 03:32 PM
I'll one up you... I dislike the premise of this entire thread.



I do too. I think the thread makes it look like we are saying our current players aren't good enough.

TransAmBison
10-19-2015, 03:34 PM
Meh it is the truth. Probably the best guy to ever put on a Bison uniform. Not anywhere close to the linebacker everyone made him out to be.Please tell me how Grant Olson under-performed. This should be good.

ZHerd
10-19-2015, 03:45 PM
Most overrated Bison defensive player of all time.

Give me the American Badass Travis Beck. This read option problem would be gone.

I watched him make enough plays pretty much consistently in every game to know that is complete nonsense. Even if you think that why would you say it. He represented NDSU as well as anyone I've seen.

ZHerd
10-19-2015, 03:52 PM
I can't agree with this....the guy got 29 total tackles against Wofford in the playoffs.

If you are saying that he isn't head and shoulders above the other linebackers he played with like Littlejohn and Beck, then I can understand a little of where you are coming from.

I would venture that if that had been most FCS LBs A) they wouldn't have been so consistently in position to make the play and B) Britenstein would have plowed through many of their tackle attempts

tjamz
10-19-2015, 04:08 PM
Charlie Stock

Just because I don't like hearing him bitch in the stands

BlueBisonRock
10-19-2015, 06:03 PM
Charlie Stock

Just because I don't like hearing him bitch in the stands

Yes, he would bedazzle the competition. And it would free up some tailgating space.

CAS4127
10-19-2015, 06:06 PM
I guarantee USD's QB would have known my number by end of game and there would have been some pad-cracking heard in the FFD. Eff that shit!!



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runtheoption
10-19-2015, 06:44 PM
I guarantee USD's QB would have known my number by end of game and there would have been some pad-cracking heard in the FFD. Eff that shit!! Yes, yes he would know your number. Coming up to the line of scrimmage, he would find you, call an audible (probably "Weak Spot" or something like that) to run a play directly at you, and then everyone would hear some serious pad-cracking as the RB or QB run right over you.

2011BisonAlumni
10-19-2015, 06:55 PM
Please tell me how Grant Olson under-performed. This should be good.

Never said he underperformed. He was a great player. I just think there are a number of linebackers I have seen play that were better than him.

Is he better than Beck? No way. Joe Mays? No way. Ramon Humber? No way. CLJ? I personally don't think so. Steve Nelson? Never saw him play, but I would venture to say no.

All I am saying is that if I could bring back one player, there are several linebackers who would bring more to the table. The defense of NDSU actually got BETTER in 2013 when Olson went down. CLJ was significantly faster. How did our defense look when Beck went down last year?

Again, great player, but he isn't God like everyone tried to make him out to be. He was replaceable on the field. Beck was not.

tjamz
10-19-2015, 07:54 PM
Never said he underperformed. He was a great player. I just think there are a number of linebackers I have seen play that were better than him.

Is he better than Beck? No way. Joe Mays? No way. Ramon Humber? No way. CLJ? I personally don't think so. Steve Nelson? Never saw him play, but I would venture to say no.

All I am saying is that if I could bring back one player, there are several linebackers who would bring more to the table. The defense of NDSU actually got BETTER in 2013 when Olson went down. CLJ was significantly faster. How did our defense look when Beck went down last year?

Again, great player, but he isn't God like everyone tried to make him out to be. He was replaceable on the field. Beck was not.

From a pure leader of the defense argument.... Grant was the man. Was he the best player? No! The biggest? No! The fastest? No! But he was, in my opinion, one of the smartest.

Tony Almeida
10-19-2015, 09:16 PM
From a pure leader of the defense argument.... Grant was the man. Was he the best player? No! The biggest? No! The fastest? No! But he was, in my opinion, one of the smartest.

And he will make one helluva head coach some day!

2011BisonAlumni
10-19-2015, 09:44 PM
From a pure leader of the defense argument.... Grant was the man. Was he the best player? No! The biggest? No! The fastest? No! But he was, in my opinion, one of the smartest.

Yep probably, but those intangibles didn't translate as much to on the field difference as some of those other guys pure play did. How do I know this? GO went down and the defense didn't miss a beat. In fact it was better with him on the bench. Travis Beck went down and the defense went to average at best. Travis Beck was the glue that held that defense together. You can even go to a game by game breakdown. When he was hurt, we struggled more.

Son of a Bison
10-20-2015, 03:58 AM
From a pure leader of the defense argument.... Grant was the man. Was he the best player? No! The biggest? No! The fastest? No! But he was, in my opinion, one of the smartest.

Grant knew how to fill holes and sniff out tackles better than anyone on our current defense. Watch the tape of USD. Our MLB too often has his head on a swivel looking over his shoulder for pass coverage when it is a run. I didn't notice this at the game at real speed. Absolutely shocked when I watched the tape. Lots of tackles but those tackles are after gains by the other team. GO sniffed those out and made stops at or near the line of scrimmage.

ndsubison1
10-20-2015, 05:16 AM
Turner and Beck. Maybe even a right guard.

IzzyFlexion
10-20-2015, 01:08 PM
Most overrated Bison defensive player of all time.

Give me the American Badass Travis Beck. This read option problem would be gone.

He had to have:

1) shot yer dog.
2) nailed yer wife.
3) beat you at Yatzee.

Otherwise..................I got nuttin'

NDfan2015
10-20-2015, 02:32 PM
I would say we are missing Dudzik and Heagle the most. Watching the game, I see a weak spot in the secondary. Dempsey is doing fine, but I'm not sure of the true freshman back there. I think he has a chance to be good, but to me does not look ready. I think its time to give Board a chance back there on a regular basis and not just on goal like packages. He can help with the run game, as we all just saw that we need help there as the Coyotes had their way against us running the football (193 yards rushing). In my opinion with either Dudzik or Heage back there we are an undefeated team football team!

Bison4x
10-20-2015, 02:49 PM
Mark Merck. What a F'n animal on the O-line.

Thunder_Struck
10-20-2015, 06:13 PM
Carson Wentz

BisonNation11
10-20-2015, 06:24 PM
Carson Wentz

Boooooo!!! Too soon, too soon! :biggrin:

devin45k
10-20-2015, 06:35 PM
Carson Wentz


Cheeky B@stard

AKBison
10-21-2015, 12:53 AM
On this team it is Travis Beck, and frankly put, it's not even close. Oh, and Wentz will be back.

A1pigskin
10-21-2015, 01:34 AM
Hatchett. Sorry if I don't have the spelling correct.

WYOBISONMAN
10-21-2015, 06:12 AM
Steve Walker.......

2011BisonAlumni
10-21-2015, 01:52 PM
On this team it is Travis Beck, and frankly put, it's not even close. Oh, and Wentz will be back.

Yep no question ....other than Carson.

Since we are in the rumor trend, I heard from a pretty good source last night that Beck has been crazy in rehabbing his ankle and is working out all the time and has considered taking a crack at the NFL. Not a doubt in my mind if that guy was healthy that he could play safety at a very high level. Same size as Pat Tillman was if not a little bigger.

Bisonville GasMan
10-21-2015, 02:47 PM
Yep no question ....other than Carson.

Since we are in the rumor trend, I heard from a pretty good source last night that Beck has been crazy in rehabbing his ankle and is working out all the time and has considered taking a crack at the NFL. Not a doubt in my mind if that guy was healthy that he could play safety at a very high level. Same size as Pat Tillman was if not a little bigger.

Very cool if Beck is doing that...in this particular case, I hope the rumor ends up being true. It's fun to follow our guys in the NFL.

2011BisonAlumni
10-21-2015, 03:26 PM
Very cool if Beck is doing that...in this particular case, I hope the rumor ends up being true. It's fun to follow our guys in the NFL.

Working nights at UPS in order to live in Fargo so he can rehab properly during the day.

How would he go about getting a crack ? Could he still compete at a pro day ?

Bisonville GasMan
10-21-2015, 03:27 PM
Working nights at UPS in order to live in Fargo so he can rehab properly during the day.

How would he go about getting a crack ? Could he still compete at a pro day ?

I'm sure he would be at NDSU's pro day

Elroy
10-21-2015, 04:15 PM
Working nights at UPS in order to live in Fargo so he can rehab properly during the day.

How would he go about getting a crack ? Could he still compete at a pro day ?

He can compete at Pro Day. Cole Jirik did last season after rehabbing for the year

BisonTru
10-21-2015, 04:23 PM
I'm sure he would be at NDSU's pro day

They also have regional and super regional combines. Huge long shot to get an invitation to a super regional from a regional. And then another long shot to get a camp invite from a super regional. But non the less, a lot of kids try and some make it.

THEsocalledfan
10-21-2015, 04:24 PM
I sure like Easton's potential, but am I the only one who would like to make RJ change numbers and bring back another 16 we know?

2011BisonAlumni
10-21-2015, 04:37 PM
I sure like Easton's potential, but am I the only one who would like to make RJ change numbers and bring back another 16 we know?

I would take Carson any day versus Brock Jensen. Not trying to disrespect Brock. Carson is just that good.

THEsocalledfan
10-21-2015, 04:39 PM
I would take Carson any day versus Brock Jensen. Not trying to disrespect Brock. Carson is just that good.

Last time I checked, he is hurt, is he not?

Scooter1
10-21-2015, 10:53 PM
Most overrated Bison defensive player of all time. (Grant Olson).

Most inaccurate, idiotic Bisonville statement of all time, and it's not even close.

CAS4127
10-21-2015, 10:55 PM
Most inaccurate, idiotic Bisonville statement of all time, and it's not even close.

Maybe there should be a thread on this.


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StL Bison Fan
10-22-2015, 12:40 AM
Beck. Here's why...

6358

LongLostAlum
10-22-2015, 01:08 AM
Butt still, I have to give Tyrone Braxton some love in this thread... I was going to mention the same, but you beat me to it. We sure could use a return guy like that.

BISONBRI53
10-22-2015, 01:11 AM
K
Maybe there should be a thread on this.


Sent from my iPhone.

Where is Gabe?

BYZEN
10-22-2015, 01:11 AM
Beck. Here's why...

6358


Because he's really Superman... kinda purple.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi2A5apBHC8

THEsocalledfan
10-22-2015, 02:12 AM
So, who was a bigger bad ass LB: Travis Beck or Charlie Stock

CAS4127
10-22-2015, 02:24 AM
So, who was a bigger bad ass LB: Travis Beck or Charlie Stock

We were a lot alike, probably why he is one of my all-time favorites. I think he was generally more overall athletic than me, we had about the same speed (according to what I have read--4.6ish), I was a bit bigger, he had better coverage skills than me, and we both loved putting helmets on people (I think a brought just a little more heavier hit there, but not much). I don't think TB was appreciated as much as he should have been as far as all-conference and all-American because of his size. That's BS. But he is a fellow LB, so I'm a bit defensive. I'll be at his NDSU HOF Introduction for sure. What a player and fun to watch.

And you fucks would pay serious Bank to see him and me in a street fight if I got to hit rewind about 25 years.




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2011BisonAlumni
10-22-2015, 02:53 AM
Never seen him play live, but Chad Stark. One bad ass mother fucker from what I have seen in old films.

Good story my uncle told me about him. Guess they went up to GF one time for a game in the late 1990's and walked into a bar. Stark started getting a ton of shit from UND fans. Guess he stood up, took his hand out of his pocket, lifted it up and said "I couldn't decide on which ring to wear today, so I just decided to put on all three". Instantly shut everyone the fuck up!

2011BisonAlumni
10-22-2015, 03:01 AM
We were a lot alike, probably why he is one of my all-time favorites. I think he was generally more overall athletic than me, we had about the same speed (according to what I have read--4.6ish), I was a bit bigger, he had better coverage skills than me, and we both loved putting helmets on people (I think a brought just a little more heavier hit there, but not much). I don't think TB was appreciated as much as he should have been as far as all-conference and all-American because of his size. That's BS. But he is a fellow LB, so I'm a bit defensive. I'll be at his NDSU HOF Introduction for sure. What a player and fun to watch.

And you fucks would pay serious Bank to see him and me in a street fight if I got to hit rewind about 25 years.




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Real question is if you could drink more than Beck?

CAS4127
10-22-2015, 03:03 AM
Real question is if you could drink more than Beck?

I plead the 5th. Although I believe TB was just having fun that fateful night. I'll defend him implicitly.


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2011BisonAlumni
10-22-2015, 03:05 AM
I plead the 5th.


Sent from my iPhone.

Psshh lawyers.

Bison 4 Life
10-22-2015, 03:07 AM
I plead the 5th. Although I believe TB was just having fun that fateful night. I'll defend him implicitly.


Sent from my iPhone.

did someone say fifth?

http://www.galactic-cafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/JD.jpg

SoCalBison
10-22-2015, 03:29 AM
Ha! Great thread, especially seeing CAS get punk'd. This is why I Bisonville.

StL Bison Fan
10-22-2015, 03:40 AM
So, who was a bigger bad ass LB: Travis Beck or Charlie Stock

Are we talking bedazzeled asses or meanness asses?

Bison Loaf
10-22-2015, 01:21 PM
Real question is if you could drink more than Beck?

Charlie Stock was the most overrated drinking linebacker in Bison Football history. Grant Olson could drink him under the table any day of the week.

IzzyFlexion
10-22-2015, 02:18 PM
Beck. Here's why...

6358

I don't know why this picture isn't in one of those giant light board displays in the dome concourse.
Best Bison football picture ever.
Travis came here as a virtual unknown............(another small town ND scholarship waste). He left the field for the last time in such an awful manner. FUCKIN' STUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.wday.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_1000/public/field/image/Sequence%2003.Still001_0.jpg?itok=6vFRLxnf

2011BisonAlumni
10-22-2015, 02:27 PM
Are we talking bedazzeled asses or meanness asses?

Depends on if you are talking about hall of fame Bison linebacker Charlie Stock or UND law school alumnus Charlie Stock.

scottietohottie
10-22-2015, 02:49 PM
I don't know why this picture isn't in one of those giant light board displays in the dome concourse.
Best Bison football picture ever.
Travis came here as a virtual unknown............(another small town ND scholarship waste). He left the field for the last time in such an awful manner. FUCKIN' STUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.wday.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_1000/public/field/image/Sequence%2003.Still001_0.jpg?itok=6vFRLxnf

Dude played an entire season with one arm tied behind his back just to make it fair.

ByeSonBusiness
10-22-2015, 07:34 PM
Never seen him play live, but Chad Stark. One bad ass mother fucker from what I have seen in old films.

Good story my uncle told me about him. Guess they went up to GF one time for a game in the late 1990's and walked into a bar. Stark started getting a ton of shit from UND fans. Guess he stood up, took his hand out of his pocket, lifted it up and said "I couldn't decide on which ring to wear today, so I just decided to put on all three". Instantly shut everyone the fuck up!

Wonderful if true.

westnodak93bison
10-22-2015, 09:00 PM
Yep no question ....other than Carson.

Since we are in the rumor trend, I heard from a pretty good source last night that Beck has been crazy in rehabbing his ankle and is working out all the time and has considered taking a crack at the NFL. Not a doubt in my mind if that guy was healthy that he could play safety at a very high level. Same size as Pat Tillman was if not a little bigger.
Who is he training with? Dude is a warrior and a tough sob. Hope the training rumor is true.

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td577
10-22-2015, 09:37 PM
Who is he training with? Dude is a warrior and a tough sob. Hope the training rumor is true.

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He should train with the guys who worked on the Matrix. He needs more air time when he leaves the ground.

Bison03
10-23-2015, 01:34 PM
Dude played an entire season with one arm tied behind his back just to make it fair.

"A ten-foot-tall, two-ton son of a bitch who could eat a hammer and take a shotgun blast standing!"

http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Mce029bdee03be663400365e4d68b1701H0&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

TateMosersneighbor
10-23-2015, 05:58 PM
I agree that Beck was a tough SOB on the field, but you can bring him to his knees by scratching your fingernails on a chalkboard.