KU Basketball Dorm

[NDSUstudent]

Must be nice to be a basketball player at KU...$17.5 million...will house KU MBB, WBB and 34 lucky students.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjMY3Dc2t1Q

What would Skarphohl and Port do if NDSU built something like that???

[StL Bison Fan]

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Must be nice to be a basketball player at KU...$17.5 million...will house KU MBB, WBB and 34 lucky students.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjMY3Dc2t1Q

What would Skarphohl and Port do if NDSU built something like that???

Change their dribbling to dribbling a basketball.

[tjbison]

Men from the boys

[IzzyFlexion]

Must be nice to be a basketball player at KU...$17.5 million...will house KU MBB, WBB and 34 lucky students.....

What would Skarphohl and Port do if NDSU built something like that???

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/kansan.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/69/f692a02c-ed3a-11e4-948e-cf01ed2b4fad/553ed07c604a7.preview.jpg
I'll try this one......................

Learn about an entirely new meaning of "pocket pool"?

[HerdBot]

I can't say anything negative about it as long as it's mostly privately funded. In basketball 1 player can be the difference between a championship and not. With the big money the school makes it's probably a good return on investment. Heck if you get a few extra lottery pick players, you probably pay for it just in donations made by the players with huge NBA salaries. Of course that's assuming your players don't get soft and lazy being pampered to like a princess

[tony]

Must be nice to be a basketball player at KU...$17.5 million...will house KU MBB, WBB and 34 lucky students.....

What would Skarphohl and Port do if NDSU built something like that???

http://www.willistonstate.edu/Future-Students/Life-on-Campus/Housing/Frontier-Hall.html
http://bakken.com/news/id/131855/11m-apartment-building-going-williston-state-college/

Well, Williston State has 400 full-time students. They've built housing for around just under 500 people in the last five years to go with the housing they already had. Two of the housing units have underground, heated parking. I wonder which units their hockey team stays in?

For those of you keeping track, Williston State has spent $30 million on housing in the last five years, to go along with all the other pet projects that Bob Skarphol has ushered through. But, hey, NDSU must have spent $75000 on housing per full-time student, right? I mean, that'd only be $900,000,000* if dollars were spent proportionally across the NDUS system. BUT, OMIGOD, THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM IS HEMORRHAGING MONEY ON NDSU BECAUSE TUITION WAIVERS! (<-- that, by the way, makes no damn sense on any level.)

* Actually, I'm low-balling that because you'd think that money spent on new housing would be somewhat proportional to increase in on-campus enrollment.

[Tatanka]

http://www.willistonstate.edu/Future-Students/Life-on-Campus/Housing/Frontier-Hall.html
http://bakken.com/news/id/131855/11m-apartment-building-going-williston-state-college/

Well, Williston State has 400 full-time students. They've built housing for around just under 500 people in the last five years to go with the housing they already had. Two of the housing units have underground, heated parking. I wonder which units their hockey team stays in?

For those of you keeping track, Williston State has spent $30 million on housing in the last five years, to go along with all the other pet projects that Bob Skarphol has ushered through. But, hey, NDSU must have spent $75000 on housing per full-time student, right? I mean, that'd only be $900,000,000* if dollars were spent proportionally across the NDUS system. BUT, OMIGOD, THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM IS HEMORRHAGING MONEY ON NDSU BECAUSE TUITION WAIVERS! (<-- that, by the way, makes no damn sense on any level.)

* Actually, I'm low-balling that because you'd think that money spent on new housing would be somewhat proportional to increase in on-campus enrollment.


Is the Williston State housing using puclic money? NDSUs housing is under auxiliary enterprises which to my knowledge does not use general fund. If they're using state money for the housing at wsu then it's even more egregious than you suggest.

[SDbison]

http://www.willistonstate.edu/Future-Students/Life-on-Campus/Housing/Frontier-Hall.html
http://bakken.com/news/id/131855/11m-apartment-building-going-williston-state-college/

Well, Williston State has 400 full-time students. They've built housing for around just under 500 people in the last five years to go with the housing they already had. Two of the housing units have underground, heated parking. I wonder which units their hockey team stays in?

For those of you keeping track, Williston State has spent $30 million on housing in the last five years, to go along with all the other pet projects that Bob Skarphol has ushered through. But, hey, NDSU must have spent $75000 on housing per full-time student, right? I mean, that'd only be $900,000,000* if dollars were spent proportionally across the NDUS system. BUT, OMIGOD, THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM IS HEMORRHAGING MONEY ON NDSU BECAUSE TUITION WAIVERS! (<-- that, by the way, makes no damn sense on any level.)

* Actually, I'm low-balling that because you'd think that money spent on new housing would be somewhat proportional to increase in on-campus enrollment. This just pisses me off. Tired of these idiots in ND constantly bashing NDSU. Please find a way to get information like this published somewhere where the general public will read it.

[tony]

Is the Williston State housing using puclic money? NDSUs housing is under auxiliary enterprises which to my knowledge does not use general fund. If they're using state money for the housing at wsu then it's even more egregious than you suggest.

Wait, what rules am I supposed to be playing by... the Skarphol/Port/Heitkamp rules, or the ones that decent human beings use? :)

There were incentives from the state to build these things but the state didn't pick up the full bill... at least not yet. Clearly, when you build housing that can handle almost 40% more people than you have full-time, on-campus students then something is up.

Note: I finally looked it up: Williston State had 357 full-time students on campus in 2013 (the latest year I found). So 30,000,000 / 357 = $84,000 per student in housing construction in the last five years (they tore down their big dorm.) In comparison, NDSU had 11,668 full-time, on-campus students (1100 more than UND - and that's with the Med School rolled in.) So if NDSU had torn down all the dorms on campus and rebuilt them at a tune of 11,668 * $84,000 = 1 BILLION DOLLARS to house 15000 people, I think that people would be wondering, "How in the hell is NDSU going to pay all that money back through the normal channels and why do they need housing for 5000 more people than their FT, on-campus enrollment?"

Seems like a rational person would want to audit the sh*t out of that deal because it doesn't add up. What is all this excess housing be used for? Is it for foreign workers for the Dairy Queen? Is it for Bob Skarphol's close personal friends and relatives? Do hockey players need heated underground parking spaces? You know, that kind of thing.

[bisonaudit]

Wait, what rules am I supposed to be playing by... the Skarphol/Port/Heitkamp rules, or the ones that decent human beings use? :)

There were incentives from the state to build these things but the state didn't pick up the full bill... at least not yet. Clearly, when you build housing that can handle almost 40% more people than you have full-time, on-campus students then something is up.

Note: I finally looked it up: Williston State had 357 full-time students on campus in 2013 (the latest year I found). So 30,000,000 / 357 = $84,000 per student in housing construction in the last five years (they tore down their big dorm.) In comparison, NDSU had 11,668 full-time, on-campus students (1100 more than UND - and that's with the Med School rolled in.) So if NDSU had torn down all the dorms on campus and rebuilt them at a tune of 11,668 * $84,000 = 1 BILLION DOLLARS to house 15000 people, I think that people would be wondering, "How in the hell is NDSU going to pay all that money back through the normal channels and why do they need housing for 5000 more people than their FT, on-campus enrollment?"

Seems like a rational person would want to audit the sh*t out of that deal because it doesn't add up. What is all this excess housing be used for? Is it for foreign workers for the Dairy Queen? Is it for Bob Skarphol's close personal friends and relatives? Do hockey players need heated underground parking spaces? You know, that kind of thing.

Jade Helm 2018?

[tony]

Jade Helm 2018?

Ha! I hadn't heard of that conspiracy theory. That's hilarious.

However, I like mine better.

FACT: The only thing the Legislature has to do to cut higher ed spending in half is to fund every school like NDSU on a per FTE basis, including capital projects. And, I'm using the word "FACT" in the sense that I'm just making a conservative guess, but it's in CAPITALS and in BOLD so basically it's 100% more accurate than anything Rob Port makes up.

Heck, they probably could cut spending by 2/3 if they used that model but said, "Yeah, online ed is great but, you know what, out-of-staters need to pay full cost of attendance because subsidizing out-of-staters is bad (at least that's what Bob Skarphol says)... heck, we'll even prorate the per FTE enrollment by waiver amounts as long as Minot State, WIlliston State, etc have to 'fess up and count their de facto waivers (i.e. a person from TX who goes to Williston State pays in-state tuition but somehow that isn't a waiver.)

[Hammersmith]

Tony, I think you've got a couple things wrong in this case. Although I'd attribute half of it to bad reporting.

In 2011, WSC opened a new dorm to replace their old one. It was supposed to cost $9.4 million and have 208 beds(all according to the 2009-11 state budget report). According to WSC's housing website, they list it as housing up to 170. I don't know if the discrepancy is because there were changes in the design, if they're currently using some doubles as singles(or quads as trios, etc.), or if some beds are reserved. I guess an obvious reason would be RAs. You'd count RA rooms in the total, but not when advertising to students. Anyway, that's the only new housing project being used as WSC housing. BTW, it's being paid for by bonds that will be paid off using room and board money. Like tatanka wrote, that's standard practice throughout the NDUS.

The other two projects are not being done by WSC, but by the WSC Foundation. They built a pair of buildings at $8.5 and $11 million in 2012 and 2014. The buildings are identical, so the difference in costs must be due to inflation and perhaps underestimating the cost on the first project. The purpose of these two buildings(on the south edge of campus) are not to provide campus housing, but essential service housing. Due to the massive shortage of housing a few years back, public employees like law enforcement, DOT, game and fish, or the city of Williston couldn't find affordable places to live. The WSC Foundation stepped in to back the project, and I suspect it was built on WSC land to allow the foundation the ability to select who would live there. Beyond the apartments, the first floors are retail space, although it looks like state agencies are also taking advantage(the Williston DMV is there).

According to the press release from the first building, the agencies that got first dibs were:

The development will provide mixed-income housing for employees of Bethel Lutheran, the North Dakota Department of Transportation, State Highway Patrol, North Dakota Game and Fish, Fort Union National Historic Site, Fort Buford State Historic Site and the City of Williston. If units are available after those needs are met, housing will be offered to the Williston School District and Mercy Hospital.

With the second building, they also added WSC employees to the list as well as non-traditional(old) students. Though the students are not housed there through WSC, but through the third party developer. From the WSC Foundation, WSC receives $27k per year for the land, and will take possession of the land in 2044 when the lease expires. The buildings themselves are being run by Dakota Commercial & Development out of Grand Forks.

I could be wrong, but I think the NDSU Development Foundation has done similar things. Maybe not on the same scale or using NDSU property, but I know the DF owns many properties in Fargo and has a third party manage them.

I think I covered everything. Here are some documents and websites:
http://www.willistonstate.edu/News-and-Events/News-Articles/2012Oct/WSC-FOUNDATION-TO-PROVIDE-HOUSING-FOR-ESSENTIAL-SERVICES-EMPLOYEES.html
http://www.willistonstate.edu/News-and-Events/News-Articles/2014Mar/Construction-on-second-apt-building-at-Williston-State-College-is-underway.html
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=williston%20state%20college%20housing%202012&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDkQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ndus.edu%2Fuploads%2Fresource s%2F4610%2Fwsc-lease-3-amendment-from-112113.pdf&ei=_zRNVYutAYHZsAW1tYCoDw&usg=AFQjCNHZVRT_Dz2GVfhKZ0qCvbsAk8X2AA
http://www.dakotacommercial.com/commercial/69

[tony]

Tony, I think you've got a couple things wrong in this case. Although I'd attribute half of it to bad reporting.

In 2011, WSC opened a new dorm to replace their old one. It was supposed to cost $9.4 million and have 208 beds(all according to the 2009-11 state budget report). According to WSC's housing website, they list it as housing up to 170. I don't know if the discrepancy is because there were changes in the design, if they're currently using some doubles as singles(or quads as trios, etc.), or if some beds are reserved. I guess an obvious reason would be RAs. You'd count RA rooms in the total, but not when advertising to students. Anyway, that's the only new housing project being used as WSC housing. BTW, it's being paid for by bonds that will be paid off using room and board money. Like tatanka wrote, that's standard practice throughout the NDUS.

The other two projects are not being done by WSC, but by the WSC Foundation. They built a pair of buildings at $8.5 and $11 million in 2012 and 2014. The buildings are identical, so the difference in costs must be due to inflation and perhaps underestimating the cost on the first project. The purpose of these two buildings(on the south edge of campus) are not to provide campus housing, but essential service housing. Due to the massive shortage of housing a few years back, public employees like law enforcement, DOT, game and fish, or the city of Williston couldn't find affordable places to live. The WSC Foundation stepped in to back the project, and I suspect it was built on WSC land to allow the foundation the ability to select who would live there. Beyond the apartments, the first floors are retail space, although it looks like state agencies are also taking advantage(the Williston DMV is there).


NDSU Development Foundation is probably buying up land all around campus, but I doubt that they are getting the kind of leverage that WSC's Foundation is getting because obviously that foundation didn't put $19.5 million into the project. That means that this project involved a mix of funding sources that I doubt NDSU's DF could ever dream about. Not to mention that the project is on campus. Two words: Socialism.

I say audit the crap out of it because it would be absolutely hilarious if Bob Skarphol took a swing at NDSU and punched himself in the nuts. :)

[StL Bison Fan]

NDSU Development Foundation is probably buying up land all around campus, but I doubt that they are getting the kind of leverage that WSC's Foundation is getting because obviously that foundation didn't put $19.5 million into the project. That means that this project involved a mix of funding sources that I doubt NDSU's DF could ever dream about. Not to mention that the project is on campus. Two words: Socialism.

I say audit the crap out of it because it would be absolutely hilarious if Bob Skarphol took a swing at NDSU and punched himself in the nuts. :)
Last sentence=impossible

[Tatanka]

Last sentence=impossible


Oh, he has nuts. Brains are in question.

[Hammersmith]

NDSU Development Foundation is probably buying up land all around campus, but I doubt that they are getting the kind of leverage that WSC's Foundation is getting because obviously that foundation didn't put $19.5 million into the project. That means that this project involved a mix of funding sources that I doubt NDSU's DF could ever dream about. Not to mention that the project is on campus. Two words: Socialism.

I say audit the crap out of it because it would be absolutely hilarious if Bob Skarphol took a swing at NDSU and punched himself in the nuts. :)

but oil

your argument is invalid



It's a sh-tty reason, but it's what someone would get if they pressed it.

[Tatanka]

but oil

your argument is invalid



It's a sh-tty reason, but it's what someone would get if they pressed it.


Sad. totally true.

[Rockbear99]

Oh, he has nuts. Brains are in question.

Well If He has any brains if you kick him in the nuts you are only a few inches away from where his head is.

[Rockbear99]

I would also love to be the RD/RA of that dorm in KS. Maybe time to come out of retirement

[UTH]

Well If He has any brains if you kick him in the nuts you are only a few inches away from where his head is.

Is this how we get the term "shit-for-brains"?

[Bison 4 Life]

I drove by it yesterday. That is a snappy looking building.