WWC and Big12 combining?

[tony]

Just a rumor (as far as I know) but an interesting one.

[Hammersmith]

Just a rumor (as far as I know) but an interesting one.

Boy, some people just don't read the board. Who do you think you are creating duplicate threads?

http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?35102-Big-12-WWC-Merger


:fight: :biggrin:

[Bisonwinagn]

Very very old news!!!

[tony]

OOops.

In my defense, I'm still catching up from vacation.

[SamsRams]

OOops.

In my defense, I'm still catching up from vacation.
You should follow bisonation on twitter, had that awhile ago.

NDSU is a lock and I believe sdsu is also. Everyone else is up in the air. Big12 not a fan of UVU

[tony]

You should follow bisonation on twitter, had that awhile ago.

NDSU is a lock and I believe sdsu is also. Everyone else is up in the air. Big12 not a fan of UVU

T'weren't no interwebs for me on this vacation... except in some very limited cases.

However, I just saw a tweet saying NDSU and SDSU are a-going to the XII.

[MAKBison]

You should follow bisonation on twitter, had that awhile ago.

NDSU is a lock and I believe sdsu is also. Everyone else is up in the air. Big12 not a fan of UVU

So this is all but done?

[SamsRams]

So this is all but done?
Yes NDSU will be in the Big 12 in wrestling next year

[BYZEN]

Hey, isn't there an FBS thread for this????:biggrin::hide:

[MAKBison]

Yes NDSU will be in the Big 12 in wrestling next year

Longtime coming it seems like this was talked about as far back as 05

[BYZEN]

I was sort of expecting an announcement at Nationals.

[MAKBison]

Will SDSU by included or is it just NDSU and....

I thought I heard 4 teams

[HerdBot]

Will SDSU by included or is it just NDSU and....

I thought I heard 4 teams
Rumor both us and the bunnies. Not sure on the others. Now if we could just get into the big 12 in football :)

[BYZEN]

Offer was to NDSU, SDSU, Air Force, Wyoming, UNC and Utah Valley (reading the OSU and ISU boards not sure they were really happy with the thought of UVU but they came with the rest of us).

[Christopher Moen]

It will be all six teams of the WWC that will merge with the Big-12. Here's some more information regarding the merger (http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2015/March/07/Oklahoma-State-powers-to-championship-at-Big-12-tournament)


The other big question, one that has accompanied the Big 12 Championships the last several seasons, concerns the league’s future. Will there be a Big 12-Western Wrestling Conference merger or some other plan for a qualifier starting in 2016? Coaches made it clear that an announcement is forthcoming.

“We should be a 10-team conference next year,” Jackson said after Saturday’s first session. “We will have affiliate members in wrestling and it will be the Western Wrestling Conference. We will have all six of those teams join our conference. I think the Ts are being crossed and the Is are being dotted.”

Historically, the Big 12 has been among the NCAA’s best – the conference, including the old Big Eight, owns 49 of the 84 NCAA title trophies awarded. Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, and Iowa State have produced a combined 77 Olympians.


What remains a mystery to me, is if the PAC-12 coaches can convince their AD's and PAC-12 Administrators that they need to be a part of this merger. If they don't, their conference will now risk dropping in status compared to the other wrestling conferences. Right now, they are better than the WWC and arguably better than the Big-12. Those two combined will bypass them immediately and become the second best conference, only behind the Big-10.

[Bisonwinagn]

The Pac12 is not better than the WWC if you look at the number of qualifiers. They both had 19. I don't think there was even a ranked team from that conference this year:

QUALIFIER ALLOCATIONS FOR 2014 NCAA DI WRESTLING CHAMPIONSHIPS
Conference 125 133 141 149 157 165 174 184 197 285 Total
Atlantic Coast Conference 3 3 4 3 2 3 5 2 2 2 29
Big Ten Conference 5 12 8 7 8 8 10 10 9 9 86
Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association 3 3 5 3 7 4 2 5 6 5 43
Eastern Wrestling League 2 2 1 3 2 1 1 2 1 2 17
Mid-American Conference 2 1 3 5 3 4 3 2 6 4 33
Pacific-12 Conference 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 1 1 19
Southern Conference 2 1 1 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 14
West Regional 5 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 19
TOTAL QUALIFIERS 24 25 25 27 27 25 26 26 28 27 260

[onbison09]

If you go by Intermat, Oregon State is ranked 23rd. No WWC teams ranked.

[Christopher Moen]

The Pac12 is not better than the WWC if you look at the number of qualifiers. They both had 19. I don't think there was even a ranked team from that conference this year:

QUALIFIER ALLOCATIONS FOR 2014 NCAA DI WRESTLING CHAMPIONSHIPS
Conference 125 133 141 149 157 165 174 184 197 285 Total
Atlantic Coast Conference 3 3 4 3 2 3 5 2 2 2 29
Big Ten Conference 5 12 8 7 8 8 10 10 9 9 86
Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association 3 3 5 3 7 4 2 5 6 5 43
Eastern Wrestling League 2 2 1 3 2 1 1 2 1 2 17
Mid-American Conference 2 1 3 5 3 4 3 2 6 4 33
Pacific-12 Conference 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 1 1 19
Southern Conference 2 1 1 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 14
West Regional 5 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 19
TOTAL QUALIFIERS 24 25 25 27 27 25 26 26 28 27 260


Keep in mind, the Big-12 got 0 qualifying allocations this year, and I would have a hard time ranking any conferences stronger than them outside the Big-10 and maybe the EIWA. I don't think the qualifying allocation total is the best way to measure the strength of a conference. I prefer to measure a conference's strength based on their total amount of All-Americans per team ratio.

Just compare the six teams each between the PAC-12 and the WWC:

Arizona State, Boise State, CSU-Bakersfield, Cal Poly, Oregon State and Stanford vs. NDSU, SDSU, UNC, USAFA, UVU and Wyoming.

Although the PAC-12 isn't strong this year, I'm pretty sure they will still have more All-Americans in two weeks than the WWC. Last year their conference edged us 2 to 1.

Here's the breakdown from 2014:

Big-10: 34 AA
Big-12: 11 AA
EIWA: 10 AA
ACC: 9 AA
MAC: 8 AA
EWL: 3 AA
SoCon: 2 AA
PAC-12: 2 AA
WWC: 1 AA

[tjbison]

instant recruiting bump, good for the program

how does our coaches salaries compare to OSU, ISU OKSU etc

[HerdBot]

I turned on Fox Sports North today and they had the Big12 Conference Championship on. Another benefit of being in a bigger name conference. Exposure.

[onbison09]

Keep in mind, the Big-12 got 0 qualifying allocations this year, and I would have a hard time ranking any conferences stronger than them outside the Big-10 and maybe the EIWA. I don't think the qualifying allocation total is the best way to measure the strength of a conference. I prefer to measure a conference's strength based on their total amount of All-Americans per team ratio.

Just compare the six teams each between the PAC-12 and the WWC:

Arizona State, Boise State, CSU-Bakersfield, Cal Poly, Oregon State and Stanford vs. NDSU, SDSU, UNC, USAFA, UVU and Wyoming.

Although the PAC-12 isn't strong this year, I'm pretty sure they will still have more All-Americans in two weeks than the WWC. Last year their conference edged us 2 to 1.

Here's the breakdown from 2014:

Big-10: 34 AA
Big-12: 11 AA
EIWA: 10 AA
ACC: 9 AA
MAC: 8 AA
EWL: 3 AA
SoCon: 2 AA
PAC-12: 2 AA
WWC: 1 AA
Well, is 2 versus 1 really that big of a gap? 2 to 1 sure, but that sounds like a HUGE gap. It's really not.

[RadioBison]

Each Big12 school had a finalist this year, with 3 champions and 1 runner-up. Next year could be a rough one.

[tjbison]

Each Big12 school had a finalist this year, with 3 champions and 1 runner-up. Next year could be a rough one.

Will only lift the program higher imo

[Mr Meaty]

Will only lift the program higher imo

Correct, if you want to be the best you have to beat the best. If you are not pushing yourself you are falling down. Onward and upward.

[Tatanka]

Iron sharpens iron. Bring on the competition.
Sent from somewhere on teh intarwebs.

[Big Bird]

At the NDSU social at NCAAs Jack Maughan said its a done deal and it'll be announced soon (I think he said in April). Can't wait to see Ok St in Fargo every other year.

[Bisonwinagn]

I would be curious if UNI will come back now? It seem like a logical fit for them. Also would Missouri be let back in. This would easily be the 2nd best conference in the country.

[tjbison]

I would be curious if UNI will come back now? It seem like a logical fit for them. Also would Missouri be let back in. This would easily be the 2nd best conference in the country.

I thought I read they were working on the PAC-12 to join also

[Christopher Moen]

I thought I read they were working on the PAC-12 to join also

I've mentioned this in the past. The opinion I got from the PAC-12 coaches I talked to was that they felt the were going to be left on an island if they weren't involved. Since the PAC-12 schools already compete with most of the WWC and Big-12 schools each year, might as well make it a big conference. Apparently the administrators in the PAC-12 aren't as enthused as the coaches to merge with the other conferences.

Another big question that will need to be answered is which conference is Fresno State joining if the there isn't a full merger. PAC-12 for seven teams, or the Big-12 to make it 11 teams? Before the program was dropped, they were suppose to part of the WWC, so either conference make sense for them.

In regards to Northern Iowa, it will be interesting as I doubt the MAC would want a good to leave and make their conference weaker.

[Gladiator Dad]

I would be curious if UNI will come back now? It seem like a logical fit for them. Also would Missouri be let back in. This would easily be the 2nd best conference in the country.

Coach Smith at Mizzou hasn't said anything about wanting to leave the MAC that I've heard publicly anyway. I have a few friends that are MIzzou Alumni and they haven't heard anything about leaving the MAC anytime soon.

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

This is great news for the program.

Will NDSU now be considered big time like the undies, you know, because of the hockies?

[tjbison]

This is great news for the program.

Will NDSU now be considered big time like the undies, you know, because of the hockies?

no...the might hockies was left out of the B1G

we actually get to affiliate and market a program under the Big 12 name.....huge difference

[Tatanka]

Big announcement tomorrow per NDSU Athletics Twitter....

Big Announcement

There's a special announcement coming tmrw! A special event coming that you won't want to miss... http://t.co/rPPsEaGd3G

[Christopher Moen]

Big announcement tomorrow per NDSU Athletics Twitter....

Big Announcement

There's a special announcement coming tmrw! A special event coming that you won't want to miss... http://t.co/rPPsEaGd3G

https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrferfb9vS1qkcdbwo1_400.gif

[AKBison]

Why would the Big XII want UVU? Wouldn't they be a better fit for The PAC 12 with Boise State?

[RadioBison]

Why would the Big XII want UVU? Wouldn't they be a better fit for The PAC 12 with Boise State?

I doubt the Big XII really wants any of us. I think it would be rotten for five of the WWC teams to merge and leave the other team hanging.

[AKBison]

Well want might be the wrong word. But in terms of geography and recruiting, the Salt Lake metro has way more in common with Boise, Fresno, Bakersfield and the rest of the PAC 12 then it does with the Big 12.

[HerdBot]

So we get to put a giant Big12 logo in the SHAC. May confuse some basketball recruits. Probably not a bad thing!

May take a while to get used to but what's our logo?

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1718591/big12_logo.jpg

Or this one?

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/618740403699716a2945cec1ad48eb983872275a/c=109-15-520-247&r=x1803&c=3200x1800/local/-/media/IAGroup/DesMoines/2014/09/07/1410132998000-big12logo.jpg

[Tatanka]

So we get to put a giant Big12 logo in the SHAC. May confuse some basketball recruits. Probably not a bad thing!

May take a while to get used to but what's our logo?

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1718591/big12_logo.jpg

Or this one?

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/618740403699716a2945cec1ad48eb983872275a/c=109-15-520-247&r=x1803&c=3200x1800/local/-/media/IAGroup/DesMoines/2014/09/07/1410132998000-big12logo.jpg


:facepalm:

[tjbison]

So we get to put a giant Big12 logo in the SHAC. May confuse some basketball recruits. Probably not a bad thing!

May take a while to get used to but what's our logo?

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1718591/big12_logo.jpg

Or this one?

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/618740403699716a2945cec1ad48eb983872275a/c=109-15-520-247&r=x1803&c=3200x1800/local/-/media/IAGroup/DesMoines/2014/09/07/1410132998000-big12logo.jpg

I hope we are recruiting Basketball and other athletes smarter than that!!

If they come in and think we are a B12 school all around we have other problems, its a great thing but lets be realistic its not FB or BBall its a single sport in wrestling and like hockey wrestling isnt a huge draw i bet most die hard sports fans couldnt tell you only a few actual B12 schools have wrestling

[HerdBot]

I hope we are recruiting Basketball and other athletes smarter than that!!

If they come in and think we are a B12 school all around we have other problems, its a great thing but lets be realistic its not FB or BBall its a single sport in wrestling and like hockey wrestling isnt a huge draw i bet most die hard sports fans couldnt tell you only a few actual B12 schools have wrestling

I didn't think I actually had to say purple on that one

[larson311]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrferfb9vS1qkcdbwo1_400.gif

The announcement is Gus Bradley coming to speak...

[Christopher Moen]

The announcement is Gus Bradley coming to speak...

That's worth being excited for too as Gus is an awesome person to be around. Great dude with a great outlook on life.

[Bisonwinagn]

The announcement is Gus Bradley coming to speak...

That was seriously the big announcement? What a fricken joke!! Is he going to drink water too while he speaks or is that coming later?

[BlueBisonRock]

That was seriously the big announcement? What a fricken joke!! Is he going to drink water too while he speaks or is that coming later?

:facepalm:

[NDSUstudent]

OK State's coach confirms it per Dom Izzo...

https://twitter.com/DomIzzoWDAY/status/584020517717434368

OSU article...

http://www.ocolly.com/sports/article_91f937c0-d976-11e4-9029-b38259aa2c03.html

[bisonmike2]

Does this mean we get to be annoying like the Sue fans used to be when there were in the WCHA with real schools?

"Oh yeah, well we play with the big boys. We're in a conference with Michigan and Minnesota and Wisconsin!"

But seriously, this is great news for the wrestling program.

[Bison03]

Does this mean we get to be annoying like the Sue fans used to be when there were in the WCHA with real schools?

"Oh yeah, well we play with the big boys. We're in a conference with Michigan and Minnesota and Wisconsin!"

But seriously, this is great news for the wrestling program.

Yep, seems only fair that we can brag up OUR fellow conferance mates as well. Only difference is that all the prgrams in the conference are all DI.

[Christopher Moen]

Yep, seems only fair that we can brag up OUR fellow conferance mates as well. Only difference is that all the prgrams in the conference are all DI.

Between Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Iowa State, I believe the Big 12 has the most combined NCAA Titles.

John Smith, Kevin Jackson, Mark Cody and Sammie Henson are all great coaches and will be fun competing against. They're also good people.

Definitely a huge opportunity for NDSU!

[A1pigskin]

Read The Forum, there is an article about moving to Big 12. Could this be the start of something bigger to come sometime in the near future?

[Tatanka]

Read The Forum, there is an article about moving to Big 12. Could this be the start of something bigger to come sometime in the near future?


Gentlemen, rest your sphincters. Let's not get carried away.

[BYZEN]

Gentlemen, rest your sphincters. Let's not get carried away.

TOO LATE I think I may have already wet myself...:facepalm2:

http://www.inforum.com/sports/bison/3714423-ndsu-heading-big-12-which-sport

[Bison Loaf]

TOO LATE I think I may have already wet myself...:facepalm2:

http://www.inforum.com/sports/bison/3714423-ndsu-heading-big-12-which-sport

Amatuer! I'm STILL cleaning up from the last two soilings from GameDay.

[Vet70]

Read The Forum, there is an article about moving to Big 12. Could this be the start of something bigger to come sometime in the near future?

Let's move up to FBS----there I said it.

[tjbison]

Read The Forum, there is an article about moving to Big 12. Could this be the start of something bigger to come sometime in the near future?

no..........

[VirginiaBison]

Camel's nose under the tent??????

[North Side]

honestly i think this means our athletic directer will at least have contact with those Big 12 school for other sports scheduling. It can't hurt.

[BisBison]

honestly i think this means our athletic directer will at least have contact with those Big 12 school for other sports scheduling. It can't hurt.
I used to think the same thing about the MVC when we got into the Valley for football. That hasn't worked out for us (at least not yet).

[NDSUstudent]

Well basketball coaches set their own schedule. AD's handle/oversee football scheduling, so I guess it might help. We scheduled KU because GT talked to their AD at NCAA basketball tournament in Minneapolis in 2009.

Would love to see an NDSU football game vs OU or OSU.

[BYZEN]

Well basketball coaches set their own schedule. AD's handle/oversee football scheduling, so I guess it might help. We scheduled KU because GT talked to their AD at NCAA basketball tournament in Minneapolis in 2009.

Would love to see an NDSU football game vs OU or OSU.

Stop this talk before I wet myself again would you...:rofl:

[Gladiator Dad]

I know that we all expected to see an "Official Announcement" by now but don't loose heart that this isn't going to actually happen. Here are a few things that ensure me that the merger is going through.

1) Interviews with Coaches like John Smith and Kevin Jackson and at the NCAA Social in the STL our very own Roger Kish along with Associate AD all saying that they expect this to happen.
2) This one might be the most telling though in that the Big XII has announced their Future Championship Venues for the upcoming season.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=106184&SPID=13152&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=210113297&DB_OEM_ID=10410

The above link will take you to the press release and in that press release it shows that the Big XII Wrestling Championships will be March 5-6, 2016 at the Sprint Center Kansas City, MO. ( On a side note: I personally like the location since it's only a 3 1/2 hour drive from the house) but you wouldn't sign a contract with a venue for a two day event for a Four (4) Team 40 Wrestler Total Tournament.

[HerdBot]

I know that we all expected to see an "Official Announcement" by now but don't loose heart that this isn't going to actually happen. Here are a few things that ensure me that the merger is going through.

1) Interviews with Coaches like John Smith and Kevin Jackson and at the NCAA Social in the STL our very own Roger Kish along with Associate AD all saying that they expect this to happen.
2) This one might be the most telling though in that the Big XII has announced their Future Championship Venues for the upcoming season.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=106184&SPID=13152&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=210113297&DB_OEM_ID=10410

The above link will take you to the press release and in that press release it shows that the Big XII Wrestling Championships will be March 5-6, 2016 at the Sprint Center Kansas City, MO. ( On a side note: I personally like the location since it's only a 3 1/2 hour drive from the house) but you wouldn't sign a contract with a venue for a two day event for a Four (4) Team 40 Wrestler Total Tournament.

The sooner we can slap a Big 12 label on the program, the better. I'm 99% confident it's a done deal.

[Christopher Moen]

The sooner we can slap a Big 12 label on the program, the better. I'm 99% confident it's a done deal.

I talked to a SDSU coach last month during breakfast at the World Team Trials in Madison, WI about the merger and from what I could gather from him was that it will probably happen soon, but the hold up is actually at their end. I didn't ask anything further about it, but hopefully whatever the issue is, it will get resolved soon.

[SamsRams]

I talked to a SDSU coach last month during breakfast at the World Team Trials in Madison, WI about the merger and from what I could gather from him was that it will probably happen soon, but the hold up is actually at their end. I didn't ask anything further about it, but hopefully whatever the issue is, it will get resolved soon.

I'm hearing Big 12 doesn't want UVU and it makes sense. Hopefully PAC-12 will take them and make things go forward faster

[HerdBot]

I'm hearing Big 12 doesn't want UVU and it makes sense. Hopefully PAC-12 will take them and make things go forward faster

Yeah they are not a Big 12 Caliber school. Can't blame them.

[Christopher Moen]

I'm hearing Big 12 doesn't want UVU and it makes sense. Hopefully PAC-12 will take them and make things go forward faster

The Pac-12 teams need to be a part of this merger. Rumors are the Oregon State AD is the one mostly preventing it from happening. Again, just all heresay from other wrestling people.

Also rumored is that Fresno State and Grand Canyon State want to be of the Big 12 merger.

[Gladiator Dad]

The Pac-12 teams need to be a part of this merger. Rumors are the Oregon State AD is the one mostly preventing it from happening. Again, just all heresay from other wrestling people.

Also rumored is that Fresno State and Grand Canyon State want to be of the Big 12 merger.

I heard while I was up in Fargo last week that the merger announcement might come as early as this week. I hope it does so schedules can start to roll out, I need to start planning my work schedule around the duals and tournys again.

As far as Fresno St & Grand Canyon joining the Big XII I have not heard anything about that but I believe that both are without conference homes so I could see this as a possibility.

[Christopher Moen]

I heard while I was up in Fargo last week that the merger announcement might come as early as this week. I hope it does so schedules can start to roll out, I need to start planning my work schedule around the duals and tournys again.

As far as Fresno St & Grand Canyon joining the Big XII I have not heard anything about that but I believe that both are without conference homes so I could see this as a possibility.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the near future, but right now, it's hard to separate the truth from speculation. In regards to Fresno State, they were originally part of the WWC before the sport got dropped, so their possible inclusion to the Big 12 makes some sense.

[Thundering Herd]

I'm 99% confident it's a done deal.make that 100%. Done deal. Bison wrestling in the Big XII. How awesome is this?