CBS Ratings of Schools for Recruiting

[KC Bison]

128

1
North Dakota State (http://ndsu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
21 (http://ndsu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.03
55.49
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/266997-266997?View=Detailed)


129
-3
Hawaii (http://hawaii.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)

15 (http://hawaii.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.04
43.93
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/266989-266989?View=Detailed)


130

Illinois State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/174/5_13965.gif" title="Illinois State" width="25" /> Illinois State)

9 (http://illinoisstate.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.65
32.30
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267054-267054?View=Detailed)


131
1
South Dakota State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/179/5_13971.gif" title="South Dakota State" width="25" /> South Dakota State)

11 (http://sdstate.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
72.56
27.83
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267063-267063?View=Detailed)


132
-1
Northern Iowa (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/178/5_13970.gif" title="Northern Iowa" width="25" /> Northern Iowa)

7 (http://uni.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.90
26.97
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267012-267012?View=Detailed)


133
2
Western Illinois (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/181/5_13973.gif" title="Western Illinois" width="25" /> Western Illinois)

3 (http://wiu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
2
78.04
24.06
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267018-267018?View=Detailed)


134
-1
Youngstown State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/182/5_13974.gif" title="Youngstown State" width="25" /> Youngstown State)

6 (http://ysu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.56
21.25
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267019-267019?View=Detailed)


135
-1
Southern Illinois (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/180/5_13972.gif" title="Southern Illinois" width="25" /> Southern Illinois)

8 (http://siu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
0
72.28
18.12
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267064-267064?View=Detailed)


136

Indiana State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/175/5_13966.gif" title="Indiana State" width="25" /> Indiana State)

4 (http://indianastate.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.25
13.00
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267022-267022?View=Detailed)


137

UAB (http://uab.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)

3 (http://uab.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
0
0.00
0.00
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267061-267061?View=Detailed)

[KC Bison]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/25043183/national-signing-day-biggest-movers-in-the-recruiting-rankings

It was difficult to add verbage to the first post without messing up the table. Interesting to see what CBS thought. This is the bottom of the list with no UN_ in sight.
I know the 2nd 3rd and 4th columns are the 5-star, 4-star, and 3-star players with the last column being their overall rating of the entire recruiting class. I didn't see any FCS teams above us and I see our point total is nearly double all the other MV schools.

[natstar1]

click "edit" and it's pretty easy to figure out from there.

[NDSU1980]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/25043183/national-signing-day-biggest-movers-in-the-recruiting-rankings

It was difficult to add verbage to the first post without messing up the table. Interesting to see what CBS thought. This is the bottom of the list with no UN_ in sight.
I know the 2nd 3rd and 4th columns are the 5-star, 4-star, and 3-star players with the last column being their overall rating of the entire recruiting class. I didn't see any FCS teams above us and I see our point total is nearly double all the other MV schools.
So it looks like the only FCS schools to get rated were from the MVFC?

[MrSnuffleupagus]

So it looks like the only FCS schools to get rated were from the MVFC?

Are there any other FCS schools that matter?

boooooom

[Bisonator98]

Does anyone remember where our 2009 and 2010 classes came in on these rankings? I'd like to know how accurate these types of rankings are in 3-4 years.

[dmksioux]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/25043183/national-signing-day-biggest-movers-in-the-recruiting-rankings

It was difficult to add verbage to the first post without messing up the table. Interesting to see what CBS thought. This is the bottom of the list with no UN_ in sight.
I know the 2nd 3rd and 4th columns are the 5-star, 4-star, and 3-star players with the last column being their overall rating of the entire recruiting class. I didn't see any FCS teams above us and I see our point total is nearly double all the other MV schools.

So as someone mentioned, the only FCS schools ranked were MVFC schools for whatever reason. Congrats on beating one FBS school in recruiting...

[Bison Loaf]

So as someone mentioned, the only FCS schools ranked were MVFC schools for whatever reason. Congrats on beating one FBS school in recruiting...

Wait for it.....wait for it........

[Bison 4 Life]

So as someone mentioned, the only FCS schools ranked were MVFC schools for whatever reason. Congrats on beating one FBS school in recruiting...


Trying to find out which UND recruits had competing FCS offers. Do you have a recruiting website or is your information important enough to be on a national site?

Asking for a friend.

[KC Bison]

I noticed on the Jack site that they had signed two players that we had offered but they had lost 8 to us that apparently they had offered.

[tony]

NDSU uses a Chip rating for recruiting classes rather than a Star rating.

[Vet70]

Trying to find out which UND recruits had competing FCS offers. Do you have a recruiting website or is your information important enough to be on a national site?

Asking for a friend.



If I understand your question correctly check out post #7785 on the UN_ smack thread.

[Vet70]

128

1
North Dakota State (http://ndsu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
21 (http://ndsu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.03
55.49
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/266997-266997?View=Detailed)


129
-3
Hawaii (http://hawaii.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)

15 (http://hawaii.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.04
43.93
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/266989-266989?View=Detailed)


130

Illinois State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/174/5_13965.gif" title="Illinois State" width="25" /> Illinois State)

9 (http://illinoisstate.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.65
32.30
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267054-267054?View=Detailed)


131
1
South Dakota State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/179/5_13971.gif" title="South Dakota State" width="25" /> South Dakota State)

11 (http://sdstate.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
72.56
27.83
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267063-267063?View=Detailed)


132
-1
Northern Iowa (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/178/5_13970.gif" title="Northern Iowa" width="25" /> Northern Iowa)

7 (http://uni.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.90
26.97
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267012-267012?View=Detailed)


133
2
Western Illinois (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/181/5_13973.gif" title="Western Illinois" width="25" /> Western Illinois)

3 (http://wiu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
2
78.04
24.06
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267018-267018?View=Detailed)


134
-1
Youngstown State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/182/5_13974.gif" title="Youngstown State" width="25" /> Youngstown State)

6 (http://ysu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.56
21.25
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267019-267019?View=Detailed)


135
-1
Southern Illinois (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/180/5_13972.gif" title="Southern Illinois" width="25" /> Southern Illinois)

8 (http://siu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
0
72.28
18.12
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267064-267064?View=Detailed)


136

Indiana State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/175/5_13966.gif" title="Indiana State" width="25" /> Indiana State)

4 (http://indianastate.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.25
13.00
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267022-267022?View=Detailed)


137

UAB (http://uab.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)

3 (http://uab.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
0
0.00
0.00
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267061-267061?View=Detailed)



Thanks for the useful information---I asked the question on another thread and all I was shown was four trophies of some kind.

[marenlee]

I believe this list was from 247sports as I saw the same one on their site. 247 is one of the few sites that has an "NDSU page." But take the list with a grain of salt, hardly anyone pays attention to the recruits we go after. IMO our recruits our much better than many of teams ahead of us.

[3Putt]

So it looks like the only FCS schools to get rated were from the MVFC?

It looks like there is some info on other schools if you want to guess at the URL. For instance:

Montana, ranked 161: http://montana.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits
Eastern Washington, ranked 205: http://ewu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits

[Kermit]

Thanks for the useful information---I asked the question on another thread and all I was shown was four trophies of some kind.

It appears that this is just a calculation based on star-ratings and that only ratings of 3-stars or above are considered. To make a long story short, this system will be next to useless for evaluating the recruiting classes of FCS programs, because very few 3-star recruits sign with FCS schools. All of the other recruits are assigned the same value--zero.

There is no valid way to compare FCS recruiting classes on National Signing Day because nobody (literally) has evaluated enough FCS recruits from enough different schools. The situation at the FBS level is only slightly better despite the various pseudo-scientific recruiting industry websites and pundits.

[Vet70]

It appears that this is just a calculation based on star-ratings and that only ratings of 3-stars or above are considered. To make a long story short, this system will be next to useless for evaluating the recruiting classes of FCS programs, because very few 3-star recruits sign with FCS schools. All of the other recruits are assigned the same value--zero.

There is no valid way to compare FCS recruiting classes on National Signing Day because nobody (literally) has evaluated enough FCS recruits from enough different schools. The situation at the FBS level is only slightly better despite the various pseudo-scientific recruiting industry websites and pundits.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Green1]

NDSU uses a Chip rating for recruiting classes rather than a Star rating.


I see what you did there! :rofl:

[Christopher Moen]

Does anyone remember where our 2009 and 2010 classes came in on these rankings? I'd like to know how accurate these types of rankings are in 3-4 years.

I think for the most part they are accurate as they are judging a kid's ability at the high school level through stats and camp performances. What these rankings can't take into account is whether these kids have peaked yet and if they are going to a school that can develop them into a better player (which NDSU excels at).

What I find interesting is the number of five and four-star athletes Alabama has recruited recently (#1 recruiting class the past five years) compared to the teams that have been in the Championship game the past two years (FSU, Auburn, Oregon and OSU). Makes me wonder if Sabin isn't developing his players as good as he use to prior to his stretch of BCS Titles. In other words, is he depending on them being great because they were great in high school instead of making them better.

[tony]

I think for the most part they are accurate as they are judging a kid's ability at the high school level through stats and camp performances. What these rankings can't take into account is whether these kids have peaked yet and if they are going to a school that can develop them into a better player (which NDSU excels at).

Rivals isn't scouting more than 1% of the 250,000 HS seniors who played HS football this past year - if they are even scouting that much. And if they had 100 guys evaluating kids, there's no way their ratings would be standardized. Rivals is just looking at the number and quality of offers. Hell, even if they did scout players, it's not like they're going to say, "Ohio State offered him and we didn't think he deserved a star? Well, we're sticking with the no-star." No way, the next day that kid would have three stars by his name. Then if that same kid subsequently gave a verbal to Georgia Southern, they'd drop a star.

Yes, I think that most P5 coaching staffs are good at spotting talent, but they're not evaluating 250,000 kids either. And there's the flaw in the star ratings.

If NDSU moved to the FBS tomorrow, this same class would have nothing but two and three stars. In fact, I'm surprised that Rivals isn't weighing an NDSU offer as highly as a MAC school's already... the fact that they are not is another flaw in the rating system.

[Hammerhead]

Signing day rankings are as good as NFL draft grades -- not very.

[IndyBison]

I think for the most part they are accurate as they are judging a kid's ability at the high school level through stats and camp performances. What these rankings can't take into account is whether these kids have peaked yet and if they are going to a school that can develop them into a better player (which NDSU excels at).

What I find interesting is the number of five and four-star athletes Alabama has recruited recently (#1 recruiting class the past five years) compared to the teams that have been in the Championship game the past two years (FSU, Auburn, Oregon and OSU). Makes me wonder if Sabin isn't developing his players as good as he use to prior to his stretch of BCS Titles. In other words, is he depending on them being great because they were great in high school instead of making them better.

Two interesting thoughts I've heard about the star ranking systems:

The organizations that do a lot of the rankings sponsor camps and kids who attend their camps often rank higher
Most of it is based on the schools that are actively recruiting them. If you are being recruited by Alabama you must be good so you'll get a good star ranking

If the latter is true then Alabama doesn't have a high class ranking because they get a lot of 5-star recruits. Kids become 5-star recruits because they are being recruited by Alabama and others.

I thought it was awesome that none of the starters in the Super Bowl were 5-star recruits in high school. And there were several 2-star recruits that were stars.

[NDSU1980]

It appears that this is just a calculation based on star-ratings and that only ratings of 3-stars or above are considered. To make a long story short, this system will be next to useless for evaluating the recruiting classes of FCS programs, because very few 3-star recruits sign with FCS schools. All of the other recruits are assigned the same value--zero.

There is no valid way to compare FCS recruiting classes on National Signing Day because nobody (literally) has evaluated enough FCS recruits from enough different schools. The situation at the FBS level is only slightly better despite the various pseudo-scientific recruiting industry websites and pundits.
I think you nailed it. Sounds like it's a useless rating system. I think I'll take the 4peat rating system. Works for me.

[SamsRams]

It looks like there is some info on other schools if you want to guess at the URL. For instance:

Montana, ranked 161: http://montana.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits
Eastern Washington, ranked 205: http://ewu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits

We really are spoiled that Rivals and especially 247 give me the time of day and update NDSU recruits. Freaking Monatana has 2 listed. NDSU around 20 listed

[BisonNeil]

It appears that this is just a calculation based on star-ratings and that only ratings of 3-stars or above are considered. To make a long story short, this system will be next to useless for evaluating the recruiting classes of FCS programs, because very few 3-star recruits sign with FCS schools. All of the other recruits are assigned the same value--zero.

There is no valid way to compare FCS recruiting classes on National Signing Day because nobody (literally) has evaluated enough FCS recruits from enough different schools. The situation at the FBS level is only slightly better despite the various pseudo-scientific recruiting industry websites and pundits.

I don't think that is true, at least that isn't how I understand how Rivals and Scout work. They do have 2 star players and if you are listed you are given a defacto 1 star for calculation purposes. The only no stars are the players not listed. If you are right than the numbers are just shit made up and I don't think that is true. The Bison have quite a few players listed on these web sites, other teams not so much. I think my understanding of how it works explains why the Valley teams are all higher because more lower rated kids get listed here than elsewhere due to the sheer high numbers elsewhere.

[SoCalBison]

Interesting. #128 for our recruiting and #32 in Sagarin. We must be doing something right.

[tony]

Interesting. #128 for our recruiting and #32 in Sagarin. We must be doing something right.

Or rating sites are doing something wrong. :)

[HerdBot]

128

1
North Dakota State (http://ndsu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
21 (http://ndsu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.03
55.49
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/266997-266997?View=Detailed)


129
-3
Hawaii (http://hawaii.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)

15 (http://hawaii.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.04
43.93
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/266989-266989?View=Detailed)


130

Illinois State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/174/5_13965.gif" title="Illinois State" width="25" /> Illinois State)

9 (http://illinoisstate.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.65
32.30
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267054-267054?View=Detailed)


131
1
South Dakota State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/179/5_13971.gif" title="South Dakota State" width="25" /> South Dakota State)

11 (http://sdstate.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
72.56
27.83
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267063-267063?View=Detailed)


132
-1
Northern Iowa (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/178/5_13970.gif" title="Northern Iowa" width="25" /> Northern Iowa)

7 (http://uni.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.90
26.97
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267012-267012?View=Detailed)


133
2
Western Illinois (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/181/5_13973.gif" title="Western Illinois" width="25" /> Western Illinois)

3 (http://wiu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
2
78.04
24.06
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267018-267018?View=Detailed)


134
-1
Youngstown State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/182/5_13974.gif" title="Youngstown State" width="25" /> Youngstown State)

6 (http://ysu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.56
21.25
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267019-267019?View=Detailed)


135
-1
Southern Illinois (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/180/5_13972.gif" title="Southern Illinois" width="25" /> Southern Illinois)

8 (http://siu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
0
72.28
18.12
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267064-267064?View=Detailed)


136

Indiana State (http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/College/175/5_13966.gif" title="Indiana State" width="25" /> Indiana State)

4 (http://indianastate.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
1
73.25
13.00
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267022-267022?View=Detailed)


137

UAB (http://uab.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)

3 (http://uab.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits)
0
0
0
0.00
0.00
▼ (http://247sports.com/InstitutionRanking/267061-267061?View=Detailed)



All the MVFC teams had solid classes but the ratings are silly, even comparing at the FCS level. Example. The running back Michael Daniels who we didn't offer not did anyone else in the MVFC has 3 stars and then Demaris Purifoy who was one of the most highly sought after player in the conference has zero stars. Bruce Anderson had zero stars and he had like 5 FBS offers. Just that alone really messes with the ratings but when you consider Jaxson Brown who had like 7 offers and Big Ten walk on offers gets zero stars.. And how did I guess we beat all the regional rivals pretty badly in head to head but we know that. Who cares what rankings say. Offers matter. Stars mean nothing unless your five and getting a pat on the back from your kindergarden teacher.

[thebootfitter]

Signing day rankings are as good as NFL draft grades -- not very.
Here's how I expressed this sentiment over on AGS:

High school star ratings : college performance :: College players' draft stock : NFL performance