11/17: At Iowa

[NDSUstudent]

Lets try to regroup after a tough game against Texas. Iowa is a solid team but not Texas...will be another very tough road game though.

Tip is at 7 p.m. game is on ESPN3

[El_Chapo]

ah yea, another Big opponent game we cant watch!

[CAS4127]

ah yea, another Big opponent game we cant watch, smoke us!

FYPFU!


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[marenlee]

ah yea, another Big opponent game we cant watch!

That YOU can't watch :D. I'll be parking my happy ass in front of the TV watching myself.

[B. b. bison]

That YOU can't watch :D. I'll be parking my happy ass in front of the TV watching myself.

I believe El_Chapo was using the royal we (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we).

[BisoninNWMN]

ah yea, another Big opponent game we cant watch!


Drive down and watch it you whiner!

[El_Chapo]

I'm done with Iowa after last 2 trips, boring bar scenes, boring towns, total pud, I'm sure Iowa city is even worse

[NDSUFan_Sav]

I'm done with Iowa after last 2 trips, boring bar scenes, boring towns, total pud, I'm sure Iowa city is even worse

Actually Iowa City is a fun college town, just what you like to relive. Come back up from the border El_Guapo.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

and here come the negative basketball people once again like last year and boy were they ever wrong last year.

Not sure if I'm a fan back to back games on the road like this.

[BisoninNWMN]

Actually Iowa City is a fun college town, just what you like to relive. Come back up from the border El_Guapo.


This here.

Great college town.

[BisoninNWMN]

Actually Iowa City is a fun college town, just what you like to relive. Come back up from the border El_Guapo.


This here.

Great college town.

** Took my daughter a couple of times to tour the U of Iowa and I would have went there for school just by looking at their student rec center....wow, that is a very impressive facility.

[North Side]

So what does Iowa's basketball team look like this year?

[westnodak93bison]

I'm done with Iowa after last 2 trips, boring bar scenes, boring towns, total pud, I'm sure Iowa city is even worse
But there is corn every where. What more do you want

[344Johnson]

But there is corn every where. What more do you want

Needs more rainforest

[56BISON73]

Actually Iowa City is a fun college town, just what you like to relive. Come back up from the border El_Guapo.

He speaks with forked tongue. Last time we were at UNI he had been at the Iowa -MN game and he raved about the game day atmosphere and parties..:facepalm2:

[NDSUstudent]

So what does Iowa's basketball team look like this year?

Probable NCAA tournament team, upper middle of the pack in the B1G.

Lost some good seniors but still have Aaron White at Forward. Good team, well coached with solid depth. Not quite the same beast as Texas but a very challenging game nonetheless.

[natstar1]

So what does Iowa's basketball team look like this year?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24753333/-15-college-basketball-conference-preview-big-ten

Man, I know the Hawkeyes absolutely tripped into the asphalt at the end of last season, but looking at who comes back, it's impossible for me not to keep Fran McCaffery's team in the top four of this league. This is not a popular stance. But I think Aaron White is the second-toughest matchup at forward in the conference to Kaminsky. Adam Woodbury is undervalued by everyone outside of the league. Jarrod Uthoff made big strides last year and will likely continue that ascent this season. And Peter Jok, if he can stop getting into trouble with the law, will be a fine role player. Oh, and there's problem-in-the-paint Gabriel Olaseni. Deepest front court in the conference right here. The Hawkeyes were second in the Big Ten in offensive efficiency last season. Mike Gessell is back at the point. Anything below 20 wins would be a supreme letdown.

[bisonfan08]

I did see Bulldog Tap post on Facebook they have ESPN3 and will have the game on tonight. I think I can get it at home since I have Midco internet but just thought I'd share the info. Gonna be a very tough game again for our guys, definitely not as tough as Texas but for a team still figuring things out definitely not an ideal matchup. If we keep it close for a while and under 20 overall I'll definitely be happy.

[El_Chapo]

funny the big ten network wont add this, even on an alternative station on direct tv. booo

[bruinbison]

Starting line-up for Iowa with last season's stats (very tall front-line).......
They were 20-13 (9-9) last season, 13-4 at home
Leading scorer was Roy Devyn Marble (SR) at 17.0, 3 starters return (bold)

G - 6' 2" Anthony Clemmons - JR - 2.4 ppg, 1.7 apg
G - 6' 2' Mike Gesell - JR - 7.8 ppg, 3.9 apg, 31% 3fg% (offered by Nebraska)
F - 6' 9" Jarod Uthoff - JR - 7.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 42% 3fg%
F - 6' 9" Aaron White - SR - 12.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg
C - 7' 1" Adam Woodbury - SR - 5.7 ppg, 3.9 rpg (offered by Minnesota)

And off the bench 6' 10" SR Gabriel Olaseni, 6.5 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.3 bpg
and 6' 5" JR Josh Oglesby - 6.6 ppg, 40.3% 3fg%

[StL Bison Fan]

For your reading pleasure...

@NDSUmbb: It's game day! The Gene Taylor Showdown is on ESPN3 at 7 tonight! http://t.co/zl3Oreio8v

[Kujava23]

Once a Bison, Always a Bison----Gene Taylor might be wearing Black & Gold tonight but he will be rooting for the Bison---at least on the INSIDE

[Kujava23]

So what does Iowa's basketball team look like this year?

They have two small guards who can shot it and front court is 6'9 SF who can shoot 6'9 PF who is very active and was a ALL-BIG TEN team last year and a 7'0 C who keeps improving

Bison will have to REBOUND better tonight than Friday night; Also need a better start
AJ Jacobson guarantee will have a better game!
Need some points in the paint tonight, especially early to open things up on the perimeter

[El_Chapo]

Man I want to be surprised with a good NDSU effort tonight!

[Mr. Burgundy]

another match up I absolutely hate, but nothing like I hated the Texas matchup. We are a solid not special Summit team this year with this amount of youth. Playing high major length is scary at this point. I would love to not embarass ourselves like we did at Texas. Can we compete and grind out a tough game? If they can shring the game and shock me going into the 2nd half, I would be thrilled. Bottom line, at NDSU if you lose...you lose. We don't tweet that we barely lost to a team that hung with Kentucky.....we don't do that. If you lose, you lose. Last year we made the round of 32. That needs to remain the goal, and this team needs to get some swagger and depth in a hurry. I do really like the young, but the two kids that signed a LOI last week....damn they have me excited. Would love to see Paul Miller continue to impress. The stage doesn't seem to big for him.

[North Side]

Paul Miller seems like a future stud shoots like Felt but brings a lot more to the table than Felt.

[bisonpride4ever]

So Miller is going to play tonight? I had heard his injury was kinda bad and that he might miss some time.


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[HoopsBison]

So Miller is going to play tonight? I had heard his injury was kinda bad and that he might miss some time.


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Hes playing.

[bisonpride4ever]

Sweet


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[NDSUstudent]

For those that do not have ESPN3 wiziwig has some streams available...http://forum.wiziwig.eu/threads/92343-Week-2-NCAA-Men-s-Basketball-2014-15-Streaming-amp-Discussion

[El_Chapo]

HERE WE GO!!! WHO HATES IOWA??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvDMNM1HbiQ

[ndsubison1]

quick 5 second call on brown...

[NDSUstudent]

Under 16 media TO....Iowa leads 9-4

[HerdBot]

Same shit. Our guards are mediocre shooters

[unbison]

Same shit. Our guards are mediocre shooters

We start out cold on the road and your already having a fit wtf

[ndsubison1]

this team needs to attack, attack, attack.

[NDSUstudent]

Miller in the game!

[bisonpride4ever]

We've been able to get to the rim some but can't make anything. Dupree needs to get it together He's been erratic so far to start the year.


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[unbison]

quick 5 second call on brown...

Only get three in the lane;)

[HerdBot]

We start out cold on the road and your already having a fit wtf

We always start out cold. These guys cannot shoot. Havent knocked down a single shot

[El_Chapo]

down 13-7 /

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Nice kickout from Werner and 3 by AJ

[HerdBot]

Finally that's what we need. Now play some defense and rebound

[El_Chapo]

13-20 iowa

we sticking with them, need defensive stops.

[unbison]

We cant have miller gaurding uthoff

[NDSUFan_Sav]

We cant have miller gaurding uthoff
Not at all

[ZHerd]

Need a steal iowa is hot right now

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Love the hustle from Brown!

[ZHerd]

That was a nice drive by AJ

[NDSUstudent]

We look better. Need to keep scrapping.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

2 great charges on D

[El_Chapo]

20-27

after Miller hits a 3 and Carlin with a nice drive fake for 2.

[NDSUstudent]

Nice move by Carlin.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Nice hustle on the loose ball but need to pick up the shooter

[marenlee]

Like what I'm seeing. A few bad breaks on shots early. But much improved over Friday.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Very dumb turnover by Dupree

[El_Chapo]

Williston State transfer Dickerson with a dunk. iowa up 31-22

Carlin forces 1 up, instead of a easy pass to kading for a dunk.. *SIGH*

[marenlee]

Dupree is still a wildcard at times.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Big difference on rebounding tonight

[marenlee]

I can't say I have ever seen anyone hustle like Brown.

[El_Chapo]

theres your first "bisons" call.

lots of touchy fouls against ndsu. let them play in the big 10 they usually do!

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Carlin second guessed his shot, take it right away when your set

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Starting to rush things, just need to settle down

[El_Chapo]

which coach is the 1 with zero coaching experience? the guy with the tie and glasses sitting next to richman?

[westnodak93bison]

Why are kids so reluctant to take a 6-8 ft jump shot off the glass on a fast break when playing taller and more athletic teams? Do they enjoy taking tough contested shots that are often blocked?

[El_Chapo]

iowa on 8-0 run.. cmon ndsu, gotta close out this last 2 minutes!!


iowa fan sleeping under the basket in yellow... lol

[NDSUstudent]

Not enough size and depth in the front court to battle with a team like this.

[El_Chapo]

so who's redshirting?

trey miller= hurt.

showalter, wesenburg?


Dupree with a stupid turnover, then stupid foul. cmon man!!


down 17 at half. uufffda

[bisonpride4ever]

They need to stop giving up their dribble so soon. It's making them make tougher passes and shots than they need to.


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[NDSUFan_Sav]

Not enough size and depth in the front court to battle with a team like this.
Or rush things causing mental mistakes

[NDSUstudent]

Rough night from Carlin...

[bisonpride4ever]

Dupree is tits on a bull


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[The Lost Dutchman]

Rough night from Carlin...

Rough 2 games for Carlin, wondering how much patience Dave will have until he gets moved to the bench.

[HerdBot]

Dupree is tits on a bull


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No shit. Could have been last shot 12 point gam3... instead it's a 17 point game. What a huge fuck up

[HoopsBison]

Young squad, going to be nights like this. Keep battling and gain some momentum for this weekend.

[North Side]

Carlin needs some time on the bench ... and Dex hasn't helped much either.... If this was last years team we be down 5 or winning right now.. These feels like the Notre Dame game last year

[NDSUstudent]

Rough 2 games for Carlin, wondering how much patience Dave will have until he gets moved to the bench.

I would like him more in a sixth man role, use him as energy off the bench and of course to back up LA.

[NDSUstudent]

Carlin needs some time on the bench ... and Dex hasn't helped much either.... If this was last years team we be down 5 or winning right now.. These feels like the Notre Dame game last year

Well Dex is completely overmatched against this front court. Not a good match up for him.

[unbison]

Best lineupnwas our starting 5 they obviously cant play all 40 but id look for a heavy dose of that to come

[ndsubison1]

Only get three in the lane;)

the ref gave the 5 call not lane violation

[El_Chapo]

Young squad, going to be nights like this. Keep battling and gain some momentum for this weekend.

I don't want morale victories, this should be an elite mid major program, reloading.

[HoopsBison]

I don't want morale victories, this should be an elite mid major program, reloading.
Ok.......... we all do.

[El_Chapo]

and we down 20.:facepalm::facepalm:

[ndsubison1]

Brown is 2/10

[ZHerd]

They need to stop giving up their dribble so soon. It's making them make tougher passes and shots than they need to.


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This combined with lots of turnovers, trouble getting into any offensive rhythm and this team looks like 2010 though I still think this group has more ability.

[ZHerd]

I don't want morale victories, this should be an elite mid major program, reloading.

We are currently moving out of a highschool stadium...reality

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Very dumb mistakes

[NDSUstudent]

Bad...bad...start to the second half.

[bisonpride4ever]

Do they even practice pressure situations? Any ball pressure on Dupree and he folds up like a card table.


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[NDSUFan_Sav]

My dude Ron Hunter and Co is on ESPNU @ ISU

[NDSUstudent]

This is worse than the Texas game...Richman has a ton of work to do.

[North Side]

Iowa doesn't impress me.... our team is just playing that poor.... O well... its just hard to watch kids learn

[El_Chapo]

and we down 20.:facepalm::facepalm:

make that 30.

[El_Chapo]

Football viewing (58)
Basketball viewing (61)

YES!! we are a basketball school!!

[bisonpride4ever]

We can't make a basket but we make up for it by not getting back defensively.


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[North Side]

Do we have an offensive play? Does that exist? LA calls something out and some screens are made and people run around to get open? Cuz I haven't seen it

[NDSUFan_Sav]

This is worse than the Texas game...Richman has a ton of work to do.
First 12 mins looked way better the rest is worse, mistakes after mistakes. Guys forcing bad shots and giving them open looks.

[ndsubison1]

My dude Ron Hunter and Co is on ESPNU @ ISU

might have to turn to that one soon

[NDSUFan_Sav]

They're starting to get every call, size doesn't hurt their case

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Been over 10 mins without a point, Wtf?

[bisonpride4ever]

No FG's in almost 10 minutes. Can Keller play basketball?


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[El_Chapo]

7 minutes.... we get our first basket... thank you paul miller

play by play guy "look at that iowa guy work the glass"

HE PUSHED OFF WERNER!! #idiots.

[BFKasper14]

We may finish 7 or 8 in the conference this year. This is pitiful...

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Good game to watch so far

[bisonpride4ever]

9-41 shooting......


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[coldspot]

our offense has ZERO imagination or creativity.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

might have to turn to that one soon


Good game to watch so far
Forgot to quote it

[El_Chapo]

Do we have an offensive play? Does that exist? LA calls something out and some screens are made and people run around to get open? Cuz I haven't seen it

So nothing has changed since Saul?

[HerdBot]

After watchimg this game I feel worse about the team than the last game. I'm already losing interest and we haven't even played a game at home. Seriously after watching this shit, UND is going to kick our ass. Were that bad.

[El_Chapo]

herdbot.. .we don't measure anything vs them. get a clue steve!

[NDSUstudent]

This is embarrassing. Nothing else to say really, just brutal.

[ndsubison1]

Forgot to quote it

GSU has Kevin Ware too. Hunters son could be a lottery pick in two years

[bisonpride4ever]

This game is like watching the Globetrotters Vs the Generals but instead of wacky and silly antics they've been replaced by sad and tragic play.


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[NDSUFan_Sav]

Miller is gonna be one of the best shooters ever at NDSU

[HerdBot]

herdbot.. .we don't measure anything vs them. get a clue steve!

Even our worst team in the D1 era would have had some kind of moral victory. We cant compete only a moron drinking Kool aid would think otherwise. Were like a D2 team. This is a horse shit team. We won't even go 500 in the Summit. In fact I'll be shocked if we beat UND.

[NDSUstudent]

Miller is gonna be one of the best shooters ever at NDSU

Agreed, our lone bright spot. Kid can play.

[El_Chapo]

back 2 back 3's by LA.

shut up STEVE!

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Even our worst team in the D1 era would have had some kind of moral victory. We look like a D2 team. This is a horse shit team. We won't even go 500 in the Summit. In fact I'll be shocked if we beat UND.
Shut up already

[NDSUstudent]

This team is going to get better, we are at rock bottom right now but with so much youth there is only one way we can go.

[NDSUDude]

Even our worst team in the D1 era would have had some kind of moral victory. We cant compete only a moron drinking Kool aid would think otherwise. Were like a D2 team. This is a horse shit team. We won't even go 500 in the Summit. In fact I'll be shocked if we beat UND.

If we can't beat UND with a good team, aka last two years, no way this team can.

[NDSUstudent]

If we can't beat UND with a good team, aka last two years, no way this team can.

Didn't we beat UND in the dome...I think we did. Beat them down twice.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Umkc beat Mizzou and led KSU at the half and down 3 nown14 left of the game

[BYZEN]

If we can't beat UND with a good team, aka last two years, no way this team can.

Butt this year we be playing on teh hockey rink so they be wearing the skates...NO?

[HerdBot]

Shut up already

Keep drinking the Kool aid. Look to next year. This is like watching ndsu football vs a pioneer league team. Sadly were the pioneer league team. We need to ditch the small 3 guard lineup and play a young big because we need some resemblance of an inside game. If you can't shoot as a guard no business playing them. It's all about building for next year

[NDSUstudent]

Keep drinking the Kool aid. Look to next year. This is like watching ndsu football vs a pioneer league team. Sadly were the pioneer league team. We need to ditch the small 3 guard lineup and play a big because we need some resemblance of an inside game. It's all about building for next year

Not enough depth to do that. This lineup will work against teams not loaded with front court depth and talent. Against these teams it is a horrible match up.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Keep drinking the Kool aid. Look to next year. This is like watching ndsu football vs a pioneer league team. Sadly were the pioneer league team. We need to ditch the small 3 guard lineup and play a young big because we need some resemblance of an inside game. It's all about building for next year
You obviously don't know basketball. Also what kool aid you speak of? Did I say we will easily win the summit? Did I say we are a good team? We are young as hell playing Texas and now Iowa which is not an easy task.

[bisonsupporter]

Keep drinking the Kool aid. Look to next year. This is like watching ndsu football vs a pioneer league team. Sadly were the pioneer league team. We need to ditch the small 3 guard lineup and play a young big because we need some resemblance of an inside game. If you can't shoot as a guard no business playing them. It's all about building for next year

I agree, Dupree isn't showing me starter quality. Why not put Werner in for Dupree? LA and Miller are it for offense right now. It's early, against 2 Top 25 teams but have to shoot better period. Being home Friday hopefully gets the o going.

[bisonpride4ever]

Can't wait til the next few games. Playing the #10 and a BiG14 team that's just outside the top25 isn't going to tell us much as far as what this team will be like.


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[ndsubison1]

Keep drinking the Kool aid. Look to next year. This is like watching ndsu football vs a pioneer league team. Sadly were the pioneer league team. We need to ditch the small 3 guard lineup and play a young big because we need some resemblance of an inside game. If you can't shoot as a guard no business playing them. It's all about building for next year

First two games vs top 25 teams one of them top 10. Get a clue.

[NDSUstudent]

Can't wait til the next few games. Playing the #10 and a BiG14 team that's just outside the top25 isn't going to tell us much as far as what this team will be like.


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Yep, this weekend will tell us a lot about this team.

[NDSUDude]

I stand corrected. But the loss last year was bad enough to count as two.

[BisBison]

What are we shooting 12%? This is terrible. Even on open looks we're shooting like we think it's going to get blocked.

[HoopsBison]

What are we shooting 12%? This is terrible. Even on open looks we're shooting like we think it's going to get blocked.

26% rough day shooting for sure.

[El_Chapo]

If we can't beat UND with a good team, aka last two years, no way this team can.

would you fools shut up about this. its ridiculous.

WE MEASURE OURSELVES IN NCAA BIDS and SUMMIT TITLE CHAMPIONSHIPS> PERIOD. That's the mid major life.

[HerdBot]

Umkc beat Mizzou and led KSU at the half and down 3 nown14 left of the game

And we lose by basically infinity. Heck the fab 5 were good enough to not only compete when they were young but even spring the occasionql upset. They never used it as an excuse.

[HerdBot]

would you fools shut up about this. its ridiculous.

WE MEASURE OURSELVES IN NCAA BIDS and SUMMIT TITLE CHAMPIONSHIPS> PERIOD. That's the mid major life.

The only thing that is ridiculous is you and the performance of our basketball team.

[NDSUstudent]

And we lose by basically infinity. Heck the fab 5 were good enough to not only compete when they were young but even spring the occasionql upset. They never used it as an excuse.

The fab 5 is a bit different. For one they had a massive JUCO transfer named Andre Smith and also they all redshirted. We are running true freshman out there against ranked high major teams.

As great as that fab 5 team was early on they still got whopped up on K-State, lost 82-56. Even they had games like this.

This team needs time to grow and figure things out. Excited to see what happens this weekend...this team needs to shake these games off and get off to a solid start at home.

[HoopsBison]

The only thing that is ridiculous is you and the performance of our basketball team.

Gabe settle down. Yeah we are young and struggled against the big boys. We have a ton of turnover, we have some bad luck with 2 guys having to hang it up because of injuries and are no longer on the roster. All that turns in a young roster. There is talent on this team but they need to play together. There are going to be nights like this, it just the way it is. If it makes you feel better to beat up this young squad then by all means go ahead.


Friday we get Kennesaw State, a team that was terrible last season and is predicted to finish in the bottom half of the Atlantic Sun. We will learn much more about this team this weekend.

[Strommer10]

This team only has 3 upperclassmen on the ENTIRE roster. We might be the youngest team in the entire country, if not we are close to it. Some people on here need some perspective about this year's team. The vast majority of mid-majors would struggle with the opening two games on NDSU's schedule.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

The only thing that is ridiculous is you and the performance of our basketball team.
Not true the thing thats worse is how your acting. 2 top 25 teams with this young squad doesn't surprise me how we looked. It will take time to get things going not gonna happen vs Texas or Iowa.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

And we lose by basically infinity. Heck the fab 5 were good enough to not only compete when they were young but even spring the occasionql upset. They never used it as an excuse.
And they also lost many games they shouldn't have

[CAS4127]

And they also lost many games they shouldn't have

Nothing new with Bison MBB.

Pile on now.


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[NDSUFan_Sav]

Nothing new with Bison MBB.

Pile on now.


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Come on dude you and many others ragged on this team last year and how'd that turn out?

[CAS4127]

Come on dude you and many others ragged on this team last year and how'd that turn out?

Like I said--pile on.



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[coldspot]

Dupree and Jacobson combine 2/19. yuck

[marenlee]

7 freshmen. That is all.

[NDSU92]

This team only has 3 upperclassmen on the ENTIRE roster. We might be the youngest team in the entire country, if not we are close to it. Some people on here need some perspective about this year's team. The vast majority of mid-majors would struggle with the opening two games on NDSU's schedule.

+++ This, and we're probably the shortest team as well. Were these outcomes not expected going into this year? The last team that a lot of the guys on our roster played had the words "high school" on the end of it, can't really fault them for not keeping pace in a ranked high major game.

[HerdBot]

I agree, Dupree isn't showing me starter quality. Why not put Werner in for Dupree? LA and Miller are it for offense right now. It's early, against 2 Top 25 teams but have to shoot better period. Being home Friday hopefully gets the o going.

Dupree and AJ are both major liabilities right now.

Dupree should be coming off the bench. He's not starter material yet. Not even close. Miller has shown he can score against big time opponents and can flat out shoot. I would do anything to get another big guy in because we need size and it's quite obvious this season will be nothing more than a learning/development process. I would even pull a redshirt to do it because next year we will suck without a big

[CAS4127]

7 freshmen. That is all.

Certainly not dissing on you, but question is: Y is it this way with NDSU MBB?! Y can't we get to point where we reload instead of rebuild?

Don't give one eff what some say--NDSU MBB has always been this way. ZERO tradition or consistentency--even when D2.


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[MontBison]

Any reason why we don't try and grab a few juco players just to get more even clases down the road. Seems like we're content on being competitive for 2 years and then get our asses handed to us for the following 3 to 4 because were so young

[NDSU92]

Certainly not dissing on you, but question is: Y is it this way with NDSU MBB?! Y can't we get to point where we reload instead of rebuild?

Don't give one eff what some say--NDSU MBB has always been this way. ZERO tradition or consistentency--even when D2.


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Things will get better with the SHACK. To compare any program in any sport at any collegiate level to our football team's success is extremely unfair. Could our basketball team be more consistent year in and year out? Yes, but it will get much better with the new facilities.

[CAS4127]

Things will get better with the SHACK. To compare any program in any sport at any collegiate level to our football team's success is extremely unfair. Could our basketball team be more consistent year in and year out? Yes, but it will get much better with the new facilities.

I really hope so.


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[NDSU92]

Any reason why we don't try and grab a few juco players just to get more even clases down the road. Seems like we're content on being competitive for 2 years and then get our asses handed to us for the following 3 to 4 because were so young

From what I've heard from people on here is that Saul's philosophy was that it was better to be really good for two out of four years and have a better chance at a tourney run than to be mediocre all four. Could be wrong though, no idea if Richman will keep that philosophy.

[NDSUstudent]

Certainly not dissing on you, but question is: Y is it this way with NDSU MBB?! Y can't we get to point where we reload instead of rebuild?

Don't give one eff what some say--NDSU MBB has always been this way. ZERO tradition or consistentency--even when D2.


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Facilities have been an issue, obviously. You want success, you need to back that up and we finally are investing in that area. I think that will help a lot.

[unbison]

Certainly not dissing on you, but question is: Y is it this way with NDSU MBB?! Y can't we get to point where we reload instead of rebuild?

Don't give one eff what some say--NDSU MBB has always been this way. ZERO tradition or consistentency--even when D2.


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What would happen if the football team opened at baylor followed by a game at say florida? That would be similar to what this young team with 7 freshman and a new coach just did
..... thats preseason number 10 and number twenty something

[CAS4127]

Facilities have been an issue, obviously. You want success, you need to back that up and we finally are investing in that area. I think that will help a lot.

Ummm, I have, to the time of taking away from savings for my little girl's college fund. Can you or others say the same?


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[CAS4127]

What would happen if the football team opened at baylor followed by a game at say florida? That would be similar to what this young team with 7 freshman and a new coach just did
..... thats preseason number 10 and number twenty something

We'd be more competitive and likely beat Florida.

Next question please?!


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[bisonranch]

We've been fortunate with the success we've had with the BSA. My high school gym had nicer seats than that place...20 years ago.

[unbison]

And as far as reloading are we right now reloading.... yes.... how long was the gap 20 years was that reloading?

[CAS4127]

Ummm, I have, to the tune of taking away from savings for my little girl's college fund. Can you or others say the same?


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[unbison]

We'd be more competitive and likely beat Florida.

Next question please?!


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Good one;) we have played kansas state a year after they werw really good....some of the worst gopher teams ever colorado state first game new coach kansas same story

[CAS4127]

What would happen if the football team opened at baylor followed by a game at say florida? That would be similar to what this young team with 7 freshman and a new coach just did
..... thats preseason number 10 and number twenty something

And you didn't answer the question. Y are we always in that position?!

I'll hang up and listen to the BS.


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[NDSUstudent]

Ummm, I have, to the time of taking away from savings for my little girl's college fund. Can you or others say the same?


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I am not saying you haven't given anything, I am saying what we had was garbage and we are replacing it with something much better. Thanks to everyone who has given so generously. The BSA put us at a huge disadvantage, just a terrible facility and especially terrible for basketball. With the SHAC we have will have an advantage over some schools in the region, no more excuses.

[unbison]

And you didn't answer the question. Y are we always in that position?!

I'll hang up and listen to the BS.


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Thats life in mid major basketball... the bs is the shit you are typing

[MontBison]

From what I've heard from people on here is that Saul's philosophy was that it was better to be really good for two out of four years and have a better chance at a tourney run than to be mediocre all four. Could be wrong though, no idea if Richman will keep that philosophy.

I think we could consistently be a little better than mediocre every year with a juco here and there. With that said I'd rather have a chance every year as opposed to no shot in hell for 3 and then an above average chance one year. Let's face it one of these years where we have everything riding on it we aren't gonna make the tourney and when that happens the tune will have to change.

[ZHerd]

Many high major teams likely start 0-2 with our schedule. This is one of the most brutal opening schedules I have seen any NDSU team endure and with a group of players who don't know how to play ball with each other yet. Look how badly an experienced NDSU team struggled last season vs San Diego St. and why would we think this was going to be any different? I sat down tonight relaxed and eating whatever i could find, expecting a 30 pt blowout simply watching to see glimmers of future hope. Last years team that struggled its last game, took it to smaller competition. Ill be worried if the next couple games are 30pt slobber knocker losses but not until then.

[CAS4127]

Thats life in mid major basketball... the bs is the shit you are typing

And that was life in D2--LOL at your position. Indefensible, but whatever. Ride on...


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[CAS4127]

I think we could consistently be a little better than mediocre every year with a juco here and there. With that said I'd rather have a chance every year as opposed to no shot in hell for 3 and then an above average chance one year. Let's face it one of these years where we have everything riding on it we aren't gonna make the tourney and when that happens the tune will have to change.

Well stated--Need a 'tude change with BISON MBB!

And unbison beats me up when I say stuff like this, but loves on Chapo. Lmfao!!


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[The Lost Dutchman]

Having a big man who you can dump it into opens things up so much. NDSU needs a big man with post up ability in the worst way.

[NDSUstudent]

Having a big man who you can dump it into opens things up so much. NDSU needs a big man with post up ability in the worst way.

Sadly, I am not sure we will see that until next year.

[unbison]

Well stated--Need a 'tude change with BISON MBB!

And unbison beats me up when I say stuff like this, but loves on Chapo. Lmfao!!


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What the fuck are you talking about? You better read my posts to chapo .... your opinion and facts are not very close if you are gonna say i love on chapo.... your posts in basketball have never been positive.... not last year as ndsu had its best team ever reality has escaped you

[CAS4127]

What the fuck are you talking about? You better read my posts to chapo .... your opinion and facts are not very close if you are gonna say i love on chapo.... your posts in basketball have never been positive.... not last year as ndsu had its best team ever reality has escaped you

Last year?!

You would do well as a UND fan!

LAST YEAR? And we made a big run the 3 years before that, right?!

BUT NATE WOLTERS!! Got it!!


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[unbison]

Hello hello reality called

[El_Chapo]

NDSU should have a mo fo JUCO pipeline to NDSCS I've been saying it for 8 years with richman here but whateve's I'm a breck guy like Slick Vico and been hatin' on wahp since they stole taco john's from breck...

Dudes you ALL can shut up. WE MISS MARSHALL that's the problem period end of story

[North Side]

NDSU should have a mo fo JUCO pipeline to NDSCS I've been saying it for 8 years with richman here but whateve's I'm a breck guy like Slick Vico and been hatin' on wahp since they stole taco john's from breck...

Dudes you ALL can shut up. WE MISS MARSHALL that's the problem period end of story

End of story? I think the movie was called WE ARE MARSHALL... or maybe you were going for Forgetting Marshall Bjorklund.

[silkamilkamonico]

I couldn't watch much after 7 min into the 2nd half.

We are so empty inside right now it isn't even funny. We have our shooting guard from last season starting at power forward this year - that's how empty we are.

The biggest thing I am looking for is how much we develop over the course of the year. I just worry the bigs won't come along like we need them too and it will force a guy like Brown to play out of position ll year which is going to put him behind his development for next year.

[Strommer10]

We've been fortunate with the success we've had with the BSA. My high school gym had nicer seats than that place...20 years ago.
Bet it had nicer locker rooms and maybe training rooms too. There's a reason why Saul never took recruits to see those areas of the BSA. The new SHAC will completely change the atmosphere/attitude of this program. Saul/Tim and this program did an amazing job considering what they had.

[natstar1]

From what I've heard from people on here is that Saul's philosophy was that it was better to be really good for two out of four years and have a better chance at a tourney run than to be mediocre all four. Could be wrong though, no idea if Richman will keep that philosophy.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but how do you do that?

[ndsubison1]

Recruiting will get better with the SHAC. The Bsa cost us some decent recruits. We have two big guys next year in Miller and Geu. They look to be the real deal. Miller and Jacobson should be a pretty good duo within time. Hopefully Wesenberg, Eliason, Trey, and Showakter can develop into something as well.

As far as this season get these young guys more game experience and hopefully we can be a competitive team in conference. As long as they are improving as season goes along is what I want.

[silkamilkamonico]

How many Millers will we have on this team? I'm going to have a hard time figuring which one is which.

[ZHerd]

How many Millers will we have on this team? I'm going to have a hard time figuring which one is which.

Big, medium, and small

[BisoninNWMN]

Sadly, I am not sure we will see that until next year.


Post play will be our "Achilles heel" IMO this year.

Shooting 26.9% is not going to win many games.

[THEsocalledfan]

Post play will be our "Achilles heel" IMO this year.

Shooting 26.9% is not going to win many games.

Bjorklund, IMHO, is what really made NDSU go last year. Having a true inside game was key. It opened up everything. NDSU has to find a legit post.

[El_Chapo]

Silk. Kory Brown isn't a shooting guard.

LA 1
Miller 2
Kory 3
?????? 4
Kading 5

That's the best lineup. We need a 4 guy to step up. Kading needs to be aggressive. (Any football players that can help 2nd semester? ?)

[bisonsupporter]

would you fools shut up about this. its ridiculous.

WE MEASURE OURSELVES IN NCAA BIDS and SUMMIT TITLE CHAMPIONSHIPS> PERIOD. That's the mid major life.

I thought we measure ourselves in NCAA Tourney Wins not bids and Summit Title Championships?

[bisonsupporter]

Silk. Kory Brown isn't a shooting guard.

LA 1
Miller 2
Kory 3
?????? 4
Kading 5

That's the best lineup. We need a 4 guy to step up. Kading needs to be aggressive. (Any football players that can help 2nd semester? ?)

Before the season I wanted to see

LA 1
AJ 2
Brown 3
Werner 4
Kading 5

with Dupree and Miller off the bench.

[bisonfan08]

So I kind of skipped the last couple pages due to all the negativity, instead I want to focus on the positives I saw from the first game I've seen them play last night. Here's my 5 takeaways:

1. Dupree at times made blowing by great defenders look easy, the problem was when he got to the tall trees of help Iowa had he panicked and threw up garbage shots or turned the ball over. I don't believe there is a defender in the Summit that can stop him 1 on 1 so hopefully the coaching staff can coach him up on how to finish and what to look for to dish off the drive and he can become a major weapon. Right now I think he needs to be our 6th man.
2. AJ is playing like a kid who's played basketball in ND his whole life being more athletic and taller than the kids he was playing against. A rude awakening with playing against a couple of 6'9" guys to start his career, he will improve a bunch as the season goes on I truly believe that.
3. Dex actually appears to be our best threat down low right now, he's the only guy who got the ball on the block and got to the middle of the lane. He had a tough time finishing against the 7 footers but I think he could be effective in the Summit.
4. PAUL MILLER - Huge positive, this kid did not look intimidated by the stage, was not afraid to pull the trigger when open and seems to have a swagger about his game. Yes he missed badly a few times but I think as the season goes on this kid is only going to get better, he's currently our 2nd best scoring threat and I think he should be starting.
5. WE STILL HAVE LA - LA looks like he's improved his jump shot and can still do everything else he's done for the last three years, he's going to have a great year if he can stay healthy and just having him on the floor will make the other guys a little bit better.

We have one of the youngest teams in the country and played 2 of the tallest front courts (our weakness) to start the season, yes it was bad, yes it was embarrassing but the season is not over. Come this weekend against a couple of teams more on our level I think we'll find out how this team will rebound and which direction they are headed this season. I expect us to get to 2-2 this weekend and hope to see some good things. If I was coaching this team my new rotation with starters listed first and backups in parenthesis would look like this:

1. LA (Dupree)
2. Miller (Dupree, Showalter)
3. Brown (AJ)
4. Kading (Wesenberg, AJ)
5. Werner (Kading)

[silkamilkamonico]

I saw some good stuff too, I just think Iowa was so much better than us especially down low the game got away again.

LA/Dupree - I'd like to see LA dominant the ball more. The big thing we need right now is him and Dupree need to find a way to co-exist. They both need the ball to be successful and haven't figured out how to make an impact without the ball.

AJ - kids going to be good and I think the AJ we see at the end of this year will be way different than the one we're seeing right now. His shot will start falling, and he's already showing signs of getting to the rim. He's going to get to the line alot and he makes his FT's.

Brown - Really like Brown, kid works hard all the time. I wish we didn't have to move him inside, but he actually does a really good job asserting himself inside. Really good rebounder regardless of height, and our best defensive player. The big thing with him is can we find a way to keep him on the other teams best player if they are a perimeter player? He's our best on ball defender and because of our lack of height he's been guarding inside which takes away from his strengths.

Miller - Have only seen Iowa game and parts of Texas, haven't really seen much from him yet.

Inside players - Kading I think can be a guy that makes an open jumper and coms in for rebounds, but I cringe every time he gets the ball inside. I don't know what to think of Werner or Wesenberg yet.

Our next 3 games are against soft teams. Ithtink that's a good thing - we need to get AJ/Miller/Showalter/inside players as much positive playing time as possible. They all have to contribute this year or we're going to drown.

[Mr. Burgundy]

when can we get Showalter's brother to leave Wisconsin. Kid is legit, and won't see that court at Bucky. TALENTED!!! more athletic than little brother. GET MORE WISCONSIN KIDS!!!!

[HerdBot]

Having a big man who you can dump it into opens things up so much. NDSU needs a big man with post up ability in the worst way.

We said that that last year and we did nothing to address it even though we had plenty of time to find a juco. We made our own bed. Now we have to sleep in it. And if we can't recruit 1 juco big in the entire nation after we got the exposure in the big dance, that's on the coaches for failing to recruit.

[wcb_sas]

NDSU played a legitimate top 10 in the country Texas team -and- an upper B1G team in Iowa. Both with a lot of tall timber which will be the Achilles heel of any mid-major.

Additionally this team is young with most of its key performers from last year graduated and oh yeah ... its got an entirely new coaching staff. Did anyone realistically expect to win either of these games? If so, please provide whatever you're smoking. The H1 performance against Iowa was respectable. Good defenses will make good shooting look average.

This team looks to me like it can contend for a Summitt league championship. As Aaron Rodgers stated: R - E - L - A - X

[Bison03]

People using the results of us playing 2 high majors that are ranked and using that to say that will be how the whole season will go are just plain stupid. Are you kidding me??!! We didn't lose big to no name bad teams, we lost to Texas and Iowa! Last I checked that is a Big 12 and a Big 10 team! Also, we are probably the youngest team in DI basketball with 7 freshman. Have some freakin' patience with this team. Are we going to go to the NCAA tournament this year? Probably not. Are we going to lose 20 game? Also, probably not. I'm getting tired of peoples knee-jerk reactions to things. The people who are saying we will suck based on 2 games vs high majors are probably the same people who thought we weren't going to score a point after the first quarter of last weeks football game. Seriously, step away from the ledge, take a deep breath, and calm down.

[Mr. Burgundy]

I just met Gabe/Herdbot for the first time. It was interesting in his mom's basement with him in sweats petting several small cats. He is one interesting deal. I had to leave when his mom said his lunch was ready. He said he doesn't feel like we have enough depth or a big man down low. Very intersting analysis from a very interesting man.

[56BISON73]

These last two game shows how far the MBB team has to go to become relevant. It is what it is. New coach and young team.

[HoopsBison]

We said that that last year and we did nothing to address it even though we had plenty of time to find a juco. We made our own bed. Now we have to sleep in it. And if we can't recruit 1 juco big in the entire nation after we got the exposure in the big dance, that's on the coaches for failing to recruit.

The funny thing is you act like these big guys grow on trees and are super easy to get.

[silkamilkamonico]

The funny thing is you act like these big guys grow on trees and are super easy to get.

Exactly what I was thinking. Productive JuCo bigs don't grow on trees. They either go high major/high impact programs or they're Dejuan FLowers and we simply don't want them. OUr team this year has basically 2 fulltime players, a role player, and a young guy who played in minimal moments last year, 2 guys that know howto grind through a college season. There wasn't any legitimate combination of bigs/juCo's/recruits/whatever that could have come in and help us beat Texas and Iowa in the first 2 games of the season.

[Mr. Burgundy]

Quote from Tim Miles. "If you are 6'8 and can breath. You are high major. Expecting NDSU to land another Marshall is a dream. Because high major coaches will take chances on any big that can walk and talk."

Dave really likes the two kids we signed last week, and they are both 6'9. So hopefully we are on to something. Until then....we lack a back to the basket big man.

[unbison]

These last two game shows how far the MBB team has to go to become relevant. It is what it is. New coach and young team.

PL how would our football team do against the #10 team in the fbs polls

[HerdBot]

The funny thing is you act like these big guys grow on trees and are super easy to get.

when you are a high mid major team coming off of an ncaa bid and win and finsh the year with the highest ranking ever, you can find them. You just need to look. We're obviously not looking hard enough or doing a weak job of selling what we have. We may actually need to look outside of our immediate recruiting footprint. Basketball recruiting is nothing like football.

[unbison]

when you are a high mid major team coming off of an ncaa bid and win and finsh the year with the highest ranking ever, you can find them. You just need to look. We're obviously not looking hard enough or doing a weak job of selling what we have. We may actually need to look outside of our immediate recruiting footprint. Basketball recruiting is nothing like football.

Wowzers......

[Strommer10]

when you are a high mid major team coming off of an ncaa bid and win and finsh the year with the highest ranking ever, you can find them. You just need to look. We're obviously not looking hard enough or doing a weak job of selling what we have. We may actually need to look outside of our immediate recruiting footprint. Basketball recruiting is nothing like football.

NDSU is not a high mid-major. The Gonzaga's and Wichita State's of the world are high mid-majors. Take a look into the "basketball only" funding for those schools and compare it to NDSU. They have more money devoted to their basketball programs than we do for football, let alone basketball. To expect NDSU to be on that level consistently every year with the current situation, is naive. I think football at NDSU has skewed people's sense of reality a bit.

[silkamilkamonico]

when you are a high mid major team coming off of an ncaa bid and win and finsh the year with the highest ranking ever, you can find them. You just need to look. We're obviously not looking hard enough or doing a weak job of selling what we have. We may actually need to look outside of our immediate recruiting footprint. Basketball recruiting is nothing like football.

Not a high major.....I'm not sure why you aren't understanding this.

Summit, and all teams in it, is considered a smaller mid major confrerence.

[marenlee]

NDSU is not a high mid-major. The Gonzaga's and Wichita State's of the world are high mid-majors. Take a look into the "basketball only" funding for those schools and compare it to NDSU. They have more money devoted to their basketball programs than we do for football, let alone basketball. To expect NDSU to be on that level consistently every year with the current situation, is naive. I think football at NDSU has skewed people's sense of reality a bit.

Quoted for truth.

[NDSUstudent]

We had a high school facility up until this year, high mid major? Are people drunk? NDSU basketball is going in the right direction but it isn't like we can snap our fingers and say we have arrived. Lots of work to do, getting the SHAC built is step 1 and getting back to the dance in the next 2-3 years is step 2.

I am much more optimistic about NDSU hoops than I was after the 2009 tournament wrun, we are finally investing in the program. We are bringing in the right recruits and we have good young talent. Right now though the team just needs to focus on getting better each day.

[Bison"FANatic"]

The length they threw at us was like a bad nightmare. We won't see that very often the rest of the year. We did a great job of limiting the second chance pointsa nd offensive rebounds for how long they were. Man did some of the guys look out of control out there though, Carlin was great but he needs to settle down and finish or get the foul with consistency (1-11) and no free throws.

I will be interested to see how Dex plays against a team not filled with redwood trees. He just looked like he was playing from his chest to his head level with shots and where he grabbed rebounds. Thats not going to work and hopefully it was because of the length we were going against. Dude is a big kid but gave up his space to easily and ends up leaning off balance. The space is yours D&*%* keep it or take space from the defender. Still not sold on his play at all yet.

With Kading we saw flashes of it last year but he needs to step up and be mean, he just seemed so timid out there. We need him to find some moves and set people up and get it done inside. It doesn't have to be pretty but it has to become a option. Hopefully against non high majors we will see it but I sure would have liked to see him try it more, its not like we were on fire from the perimeter.

AJ needs to be the and one or get to the line guy. Hopefully he starts to see the lanes and openings and gets to the rim. It will make him that much more dangerous from outside.

Kory Brown was the only guy from my standpoint that didn't seem intimidated at all playing these last two games. It was like he said it is what it is and I am going to go out there and ball up, they may shove it down my throat but it is what it is. He is one of the only ones that seemed to be playing "at the rim". Against lower competition he is going to be a beast.

LA will be fine but we can't rely on him all year. If others don't step up he is going to have a long year as he will be seeing a rotation double to him all year to keep him from getting to the rim and they will try to make him a outside only shooter.

Miller is going to be interesting. If we could get a little of Felts movement without the ball out of him he could make things real interesting but for only 3 games into your freshman year. Two thumbs up from me.

[ZHerd]

As far as facing teams with length goes...Kennesaw State whom, I pretty much know nothing about, is considerably taller than us. They lost their first two games to high majors in similar fashion to us. Should be a pretty solid battle of the whipped puppies

[HerdBot]

NDSU is not a high mid-major. The Gonzaga's and Wichita State's of the world are high mid-majors. Take a look into the "basketball only" funding for those schools and compare it to NDSU. They have more money devoted to their basketball programs than we do for football, let alone basketball. To expect NDSU to be on that level consistently every year with the current situation, is naive. I think football at NDSU has skewed people's sense of reality a bit.

The average player doesn't have a clue about what our athletic budget is. We have a kick ass new facility and the name of the program is growing dramatically with 2 tournament visits and a win in the big dance. (not to mention game day) I guess when your 1 game away from the sweet 16 I consider that a high mid major. But if you want to think small time with shitty ass expectations go right ahead. Like Lakes says, we need to drop the ahh shucks attitude and think big time. Act like a D1 program. We're not D1AA in basketball. Witchita is a top ten team and they act like it. Heck they lost to Kentucky by 2 last year. That's not a mid major in my b ook

[Bison"FANatic"]

The average player doesn't have a clue about what our athletic budget is. We have a kick ass new facility and the name of the program is growing dramatically with 2 tournament visits and a win in the big dance. (not to mention game day) I guess when your 1 game away from the sweet 16 I consider that a high mid major. But if you want to think small time with shitty ass expectations go right ahead. Like Lakes says, we need to drop the ahh shucks attitude and think big time. Act like a D1 program. We're not D1AA in basketball.
Tell that to the AD when he is trying to find the money to pay the coaches.

[Bison bison]

Dude. Think big time.

[HerdBot]

Tell that to the AD when he is trying to find the money to pay the coaches.

That's his job. Figure shit out. UNI had their boosters club pay to keep their coach after they made the sweet 16 and fought Michigan State to the wire. Is UNI that far ahead of us? If they can do it, we can do it.

[NDSUstudent]

Wichita acts that way because they are a high major program. They pay their coaches massive salaries, can load up their home schedule with guarantee games, charter flights for when they travel long distances, great facility with the some of the best fans in college hoops and are in a solid established conference. Same goes for Gonzaga.

I think the SHAC will give us some new opportunities but we don't have the SHAC yet. That said my hope is that when it opens in a few years we have a kick ass team and we can build off that.

[Bison"FANatic"]

That's his job. Figure shit out. UNI had their boosters club pay to keep their coach after they made the sweet 16 and fought Michigan State to the wire. Is UNI that far ahead of us? If they can do it, we can do it.

You understand they are basically broke and are forced to play 2 fbs games to make it even sort of work, don't you.

[silkamilkamonico]

Wichita acts that way because they are a high major program. They pay their coaches massive salaries, can load up their home schedule with guarantee games, charter flights for when they travel long distances, great facility with the some of the best fans in college hoops and are in a solid established conference. Same goes for Gonzaga.

I think the SHAC will give us some new opportunities but we don't have the SHAC yet. That said my hope is that when it opens in a few years we have a kick ass team and we can build off that.

They can also show athletes great facilities, something we haven't been able to do because there hasn't been anything built - but hey, were all of a sudden a high major because we have 1 tournament win in our program history.

[silkamilkamonico]

That's his job. Figure shit out. UNI had their boosters club pay to keep their coach after they made the sweet 16 and fought Michigan State to the wire. Is UNI that far ahead of us? If they can do it, we can do it.

In basketball? Yes......"c'mon man"

[NDSUstudent]

They can also show athletes great facilities, something we haven't been able to do because there hasn't been anything built - but hey, were all of a sudden a high major because we have 1 tournament win in our program history.

Yeah, I don't think people understand how bad our basketball facilities were. If you want to use football to compare, they would similar to Indiana State or USD. A lot of people like to talk about the football team and how they have this culture of success but there is a tremendous amount of support and tools given to our football program to deliver on that culture of success. They have the best of the best in the FCS, they have earned that support but our school has also nurtured it and used success to grow.

Basketball in my opinion is just now getting some of those tools and support. That should help give us more consistent success if we have the right coaches in place. The two most underrated coaches in NDSU history by far are Tim Miles and Saul Phillips, what they did here is truly amazing. Both had plans and executed them to perfection against some very tough odds.

Lots of schools have tournament wins, they are a building block in my opinion not a signal of arrival. You haven't arrived as a high mid-major until you get to a point where you can do it consistently.

[acf2]

Wichita State pays their head coach $1.75 million.
Gonzaga: $1.2 million

[NDSUstudent]

Wichita State pays their head coach $1.75 million.
Gonzaga: $1.2 million
I think UNI is what 500-600k?

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[acf2]

I think UNI is what 500-600k?

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Yeah, just checked. Its currently $550,000 with an annual increase of $25,000.

[HerdBot]

Wichita acts that way because they are a high major program. They pay their coaches massive salaries, can load up their home schedule with guarantee games, charter flights for when they travel long distances, great facility with the some of the best fans in college hoops and are in a solid established conference. Same goes for Gonzaga.

I think the SHAC will give us some new opportunities but we don't have the SHAC yet. That said my hope is that when it opens in a few years we have a kick ass team and we can build off that.

I was responding to the poster who said Wichita was a high mid major. I contend they are a major

[HerdBot]

In basketball? Yes......"c'mon man"

You think like a man with a small tucked in sack and no vision. Think like a man with balls. If we are going to be a basketball school we need to figure out how to pony up the cash and pay the coaches. Otherwise might as well be content on being ar the same level as UND and add hockey which none of us want. The lack of goals and vision by the fan base can be very small time. We should be paying our basketball coach more than football if we want to be competitive. How? Put together a plan. Thats how shit gets done

[bisonpride4ever]

I guess when your 1 game away from the sweet 16 I consider that a high mid major.

So using this logic, Hampton, Mercer, Bucknell, Siena, East Tennessee St. Norfolk St, Austin Peay, Drexel, etc must be all high mid Major programs as well since they have once been one game from the sweet sixteen.





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[HerdBot]

So using this logic, Hampton, Mercer, Bucknell, Siena, East Tennessee St. Norfolk St, Austin Peay, Drexel, etc must be all high mid Major programs as well since they have once been one game from the sweet sixteen.





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They've all been a D1 basketball program much longer than we have. Were closer to being a high mid major than a low mid major. Of course half on this board (not you necessarily) would be content just being mediocre for 3 out of 4 years because ah shucks were North Dakota and we can't do any better. I expect more. No reason we can't duplicate and improve on what we've done now that we have facilities and made somewhat of a name for ourselves

[HerdBot]

You understand they are basically broke and are forced to play 2 fbs games to make it even sort of work, don't you.

The boosters fund it. Not the general fund. They aren't broke because the boosters pay the salary with money they raised above the scholarships. They are broke because the state cut funding.

[bisonpride4ever]

I'm just saying yeah we won a game but until it becomes something we do on the reg or teams in our conference start to do it on the reg, low mid major is what we are. The SHAC is a good start towards getting to that goal.


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[ZHerd]

I think UNI is what 500-600k?

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If we are able to start selling out once the construction is complete, what kind of revenue would the new arena be pulling in in net? I read in Forbes that Lousville rakes in 12 million in ticket sales alone and I think their BBall program brings in like 39 million (it was that or 29). Im not saying that should be us but using them as an example. I know we are considered a football school, but I would love to see us be both, and if football did desire to go FBS in the future, how big of a boost would it be to NDSU's athletic budget over the long haul to focus more on basketball? Or would it actually turn into a budget drain? Can one sport financially boost the other and if so which is the wiser investment?

[56BISON73]

They've all been a D1 basketball program much longer than we have. Were closer to being a high mid major than a low mid major. Of course half on this board (not you necessarily) would be content just being mediocre for 3 out of 4 years because ah shucks were North Dakota and we can't do any better. I expect more. No reason we can't duplicate and improve on what we've done now that we have facilities and made somewhat of a name for ourselves

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[HerdBot]

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If you actually disagree with that statement you are either

1) just looking to argue
2) an idiot
3) small time thinker

I would vote #1 since your not an idiot or a small time thinker

[56BISON73]

If you actually disagree with that statement you are either

1) just looking to argue
2) an idiot
3) small time thinker

I would vote #1 since your not an idiot or a small time thinker

After reading a couple of your condescending comments to a few people I thought I would throw it back at you.:biggrin:

[HerdBot]

If we are able to start selling out once the construction is complete, what kind of revenue would the new arena be pulling in in net? I read in Forbes that Lousville rakes in 12 million in ticket sales alone and I think their BBall program brings in like 39 million (it was that or 29). Im not saying that should be us but using them as an example. I know we are considered a football school, but I would love to see us be both, and if football did desire to go FBS in the future, how big of a boost would it be to NDSU's athletic budget over the long haul to focus more on basketball? Or would it actually turn into a budget drain? Can one sport financially boost the other and if so which is the wiser investment?

With the dome sold out with very few seats to sell to donors, basket ball is where all the money is at. With a new arena there is a ton of potential for teammakers revenue. Another good deal with basketball is we own the shac so we don't have to give much of the revenue to the dome

If football is maxed and we ain't gonna make any money from women's sports or track and field... has to be basketball

[HerdBot]

After reading a couple of your condescending comments to a few people I thought I would throw it back at you.:biggrin:

Ok i admit I've been kind of a douche bag but hey it gets exciting around here after 2 ass whoopings. I guess I expected more. Others say its the way it's supposed to be. I say screw that we can do better. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle with less douche bag comments

[56BISON73]

Ok i admit I've been kind of a douche bag but hey it gets exciting around here after 2 ass whoopings. I guess I expected more. Others say its the way it's supposed to be. I say screw that we can do better. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle with less douche bag comments

:cheers::bow:

[Bisonator98]

I didn't have high expectations this season anyway. New coaching staff, young team, lost a ton of talent and experience from last year, to expect this year to be anywhere close to last year was unrealistic IMO. I'm simply hoping for steady improvement over the season and maybe a shot at a run in the Summit tourney.

[HerdBot]

I didn't have high expectations this season anyway. New coaching staff, young team, lost a ton of talent and experience from last year, to expect this year to be anywhere close to last year was unrealistic IMO. I'm simply hoping for steady improvement over the season and maybe a shot at a run in the Summit tourney.

I didn't have much of expectation either but I did expect we could at least not completely embarrass ourselves and get our ass totally throttled like we were Minot State. I mean expecting it to be a game at halftime seems like low standars. These games were over within 10 minutes. We flat out can't compete. I don't recall any time since moving to D1 that we haven't been able to at least show some flashes and fight.

At this point my expectations are to find out who can play and hope we can peak during the Summit League tournament and if were lucky catch fire and win a game or make it to the Summit Championship game. Winning it would be a dream scenario. Then it would be the inevitable 30 point ass whooping but we would have some momentum going into next year with some experience.

Need to figure out who can play. I'm still not convinced AJ or Dupree are ready. (someday maybe) Worst shooting percentage I have ever seen. Dupree is 1 of 7 from the free throw line and his strength is driving to the basket. Is it actually possible for a college guard to shoot 1 for 7 from free throws? Heck I bet my 90 year old grand mother could knock down at least 2 free throws out of 7. Looked at the stats and LA only has 1 assist over 2 games. He's shooting excellent but I don't blame him for not passing to Dupree or AJ :rofl: They aint feelin it! Quietley Werner is 1 of 7 on the year too and Kaeding is 2 of 9! Cant believe we were one of the best shooting teams in the nation last year. Need to give Miller and Wesenberg some more time. They have proven they can actually hit shots.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

We'd be more competitive and likely beat Florida.

Next question please?!


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Likely???? Hahahahaha wow just wow And herbot is talking bout our koolaid drinking?

[CAS4127]

Likely???? Hahahahaha wow just wow And herbot is talking bout our koolaid drinking?

Sav--Florida is not very good this year. Also, the gap between top 25 FBS compared to one of the best FCS teams is much smaller than between big dogs in D1 BB and low major D1 BB.

Not wanting to argue but I'll stand by my post.

Go Bison!


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[CAS4127]

Double post

[Mr. Burgundy]

Herdbot's grandma and Kentucky are high major.

[westnodak93bison]

I just met Gabe/Herdbot for the first time. It was interesting in his mom's basement with him in sweats petting several small cats. He is one interesting deal. I had to leave when his mom said his lunch was ready. He said he doesn't feel like we have enough depth or a big man down low. Very intersting analysis from a very interesting man.

Burgundy is just pissed herbot's mom didnt have meatloaf.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bMs04JK0BQ

[silkamilkamonico]

You think like a man with a small tucked in sack and no vision. Think like a man with balls. If we are going to be a basketball school we need to figure out how to pony up the cash and pay the coaches. Otherwise might as well be content on being ar the same level as UND and add hockey which none of us want. The lack of goals and vision by the fan base can be very small time. We should be paying our basketball coach more than football if we want to be competitive. How? Put together a plan. Thats how shit gets done

You're clueless. You have to earn that. It isn't given to you after 1 tournament win. You have to earn that.

LMAO at your theory of "we are special because we have 1 tournament win".

[HerdBot]

You're clueless. You have to earn that. It isn't given to you after 1 tournament win. You have to earn that.

LMAO at your theory of "we are special because we have 1 tournament win".

Are you the "gotta earn it" UNI troll? You sure sound like him.

[wcb_sas]

when you are a high mid major team coming off of an ncaa bid and win and finsh the year with the highest ranking ever, you can find them. You just need to look. We're obviously not looking hard enough or doing a weak job of selling what we have. We may actually need to look outside of our immediate recruiting footprint. Basketball recruiting is nothing like football.

Disagree ... talented post players are extremely hard to find. Finding kids outside of NDSU's natural recruiting region generally means you are taking a chance on an under-the-radar "developmental" kind of player or transfer (JUCO or otherwise). In region you are likely battling with not only the Dakota schools but UNO, Drake, UNI, Creighton ... Look at the top 20 high school players in Wisconsin this year. 5 kids 6'8" or taller ... 3 are high major recruits the other two are San Jose State and Drake. That's it. I'm sure Minnesota has similar type numbers.

1 Diamond Stone Dominican 6'10" PF
2 Henry Ellenson Rice Lake 6'10" PF Marquette
3 Matt Heldt Neenah 6'10" PF/C Marquette
4 Brevin Pritzl De Pere 6'4" WG Wisconsin
5 Nick Noskowiak Sun Prairie 6'2" G Marquette
6 Billy Wampler Regis 6'6" WF Drake
7 Cody Schwartz West De Pere 6'8" WF/PF San Jose State
8 Levi Bradley Milwaukee Pius XI 6'7" WF Northern Illinois
9 Nick McGlynn Stoughton 6'8" PF Drake
10 Jaylen Key Homestead 6'7" WF Northern Illinois
11 Brandon Key West Allis Central 5'11" PG
12 Dallas Polk-Hilliard Milwaukee Messmer 6'5" WF
13 Kyle Monroe Ashwaubenon 6'5" WF Michigan Tech (DII)
14 Dee Woods Racine Horlick 6'2" PG
15 Mason Domask Waupun 6'3" WG Winona State (DII)
16 James Gollon Stevens Point Pacelli 6'5" G
17 Miles Sigh Whitefish Bay 6'2" PG
18 Rodney Scales Neenah 6'7" PF
19 Garrison Goode Dominican 6'7" F
20 James Batemon Milwaukee Riverside 6'1" PG

[Bison Bridge Guy]

#1 Kentucky beat #5 Kansas 72-40 last night. Anyone can have a bad night and get blown out. (I know, we've been blown out twice, but just wanted to offer some perspective to the gloom and doom.)

[56BISON73]

I'm just saying yeah we won a game but until it becomes something we do on the reg or teams in our conference start to do it on the reg, low mid major is what we are. The SHAC is a good start towards getting to that goal.


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I think you're on the money.

[HerdBot]

Disagree ... talented post players are extremely hard to find. Finding kids outside of NDSU's natural recruiting region generally means you are taking a chance on an under-the-radar "developmental" kind of player or transfer (JUCO or otherwise). In region you are likely battling with not only the Dakota schools but UNO, Drake, UNI, Creighton ... Look at the top 20 high school players in Wisconsin this year. 5 kids 6'8" or taller ... 3 are high major recruits the other two are San Jose State and Drake. That's it. I'm sure Minnesota has similar type numbers.

1 Diamond Stone Dominican 6'10" PF
2 Henry Ellenson Rice Lake 6'10" PF Marquette
3 Matt Heldt Neenah 6'10" PF/C Marquette
4 Brevin Pritzl De Pere 6'4" WG Wisconsin
5 Nick Noskowiak Sun Prairie 6'2" G Marquette
6 Billy Wampler Regis 6'6" WF Drake
7 Cody Schwartz West De Pere 6'8" WF/PF San Jose State
8 Levi Bradley Milwaukee Pius XI 6'7" WF Northern Illinois
9 Nick McGlynn Stoughton 6'8" PF Drake
10 Jaylen Key Homestead 6'7" WF Northern Illinois
11 Brandon Key West Allis Central 5'11" PG
12 Dallas Polk-Hilliard Milwaukee Messmer 6'5" WF
13 Kyle Monroe Ashwaubenon 6'5" WF Michigan Tech (DII)
14 Dee Woods Racine Horlick 6'2" PG
15 Mason Domask Waupun 6'3" WG Winona State (DII)
16 James Gollon Stevens Point Pacelli 6'5" G
17 Miles Sigh Whitefish Bay 6'2" PG
18 Rodney Scales Neenah 6'7" PF
19 Garrison Goode Dominican 6'7" F
20 James Batemon Milwaukee Riverside 6'1" PG

I hear what your saying and point we'll taken but if you can't find them in Wisconsin, ND, SD, or Minnesota there are 46 other states or JUCOs

The ND, SD, MN, and WI deal works for football but not entirely for basketball. You can fill most of your roster from those states but you need bigs your going to get the leftovers out of those states.

To me the bigs are like corners, running backs, and receivers. Generally speaking you have to go outside your footprint to get them or take a risk on a kid with academic issues like Marcus or Crock. (that worked out beautifully for everyone )

Trayvon and Braun were from Iowa and Oregon. Brown and LA are from Illinois. You have to go far sometimes for basketball. 1 player can make a world of difference and not everyone will develop into a Ben Woodside or Nate Wolters.

Just my two cents

[silkamilkamonico]

I hear what your saying and point we'll taken but if you can't find them in Wisconsin, ND, SD, or Minnesota there are 46 other states or JUCOs

The ND, SD, MN, and WI deal works for football but not entirely for basketball. You can fill most of your roster from those states but you need bigs your going to get the leftovers out of those states.

To me the bigs are like corners, running backs, and receivers. Generally speaking you have to go outside your footprint to get them or take a risk on a kid with academic issues like Marcus or Crock. (that worked out beautifully for everyone )

Trayvon and Braun were from Iowa and Oregon. Brown and LA are from Illinois. You have to go far sometimes for basketball. 1 player can make a world of difference and not everyone will develop into a Ben Woodside or Nate Wolters.

Just my two cents

How many JuCo bigs do you think go D1 every year? Like you said, it is nothing like recruiting for football, nothing at all. We have 2 quality bigs coming in next year so recruiting is not a problem. We missed on recruiting bigs 2 seasons ago, because the bigs we were after wanted to go to a place and play right away, and they weren't getting any playing time over Bjorklund, Wright, Aaberg as seniors. We had a season we missed. Big deal, the football team has had missed season too. In fact the football team had about 20 missed seasons before they were able to even host a playoff game.

[natstar1]

You think like a man with a small tucked in sack and no vision. Think like a man with balls. If we are going to be a basketball school we need to figure out how to pony up the cash and pay the coaches. Otherwise might as well be content on being ar the same level as UND and add hockey which none of us want. The lack of goals and vision by the fan base can be very small time. We should be paying our basketball coach more than football if we want to be competitive. How? Put together a plan. Thats how shit gets done

who's to say we haven't had a plan?

[goldenshower]

Here's a plan Herdbot:

Strictly recruit 5* kids
Sign these 5* kids
Win national titles...

There is the plan, now shit can get done!

[HerdBot]

Here's a plan Herdbot:

Strictly recruit 5* kids
Sign these 5* kids
Win national titles...

There is the plan, now shit can get done!

STFU before I give you a golden shower but I suppose you would like that.

BTW the plan should be to raise coaching salaries so we don't lose coaches to teams like Ohio (well a proven coach at least, Richmond hasn't even won a game yet and lost both by 70 points) and recruit bigs and jucos outside of our little recruiting area which doesn't have enough talent left over from majors. And putting the product on TV would help although this current version of the team I wouldn't want to put on TV.

[natstar1]

How do you know they don't have a plan to do that?

[El_Chapo]

PL how would our football team do against the #10 team in the fbs polls

How the heck does he say NDSU basketball isn't relevant?? THEY GOT MORE PRESS IN 1 WIN THEN 3 years of football titles!