Why we should be concerned this time around.

[2011BisonAlumni]

2011 and 2012 YSU and Indiana State losses were flukes in many ways. This is the first time since 2010 that I saw a team line up and play NDSU and just beat them down physically. The offensive play is a major problem.

1.) Offensive play calling. Horrible. Not imagination or guts at all.
2.) QB play. Has been getting progressively worse.
3.) Offensive line. Too many penalties and were physically dominated in this game.

WIU exposed this team and other teams who have a decent defense know how to beat us. Line the box, stop the run, and make Polasek/Carson Wentz beat you.

[NDSUstudent]

To quote Mike Tice..."Calm down...enjoy the season."

It is just one game and you are making a lot of it. Trend or mirage, we'll find out over the next two weeks. This isn't last year's team, they aren't invincible. Should have lost to WIU but we bounced back nicely from that. Hoping to see a similar response from this debacle against MSU.

[aces1180]

2011 and 2012 YSU and Indiana State losses were flukes in many ways. This is the first time since 2010 that I saw a team line up and play NDSU and just beat them down physically. The offensive play is a major problem.

1.) Offensive play calling. Horrible. Not imagination or guts at all.
2.) QB play. Has been getting progressively worse.
3.) Offensive line. Too many penalties and were physically dominated in this game.

WIU exposed this team and other teams who have a decent defense know how to beat us. Line the box, stop the run, and make Polasek/Carson Wentz beat you.

No...Shouldn;t you be trolling SS.com?

[2011BisonAlumni]

Said it before all year. The only way NDSU gets beat is a team that can play our style of football and beat us at our own game.

You can almost be assured UNI will be placed on our side of the bracket if we both win out.

[Hail bison]

2011 and 2012 YSU and Indiana State losses were flukes in many ways. This is the first time since 2010 that I saw a team line up and play NDSU and just beat them down physically. The offensive play is a major problem.

1.) Offensive play calling. Horrible. Not imagination or guts at all.
2.) QB play. Has been getting progressively worse.
3.) Offensive line. Too many penalties and were physically dominated in this game.

WIU exposed this team and other teams who have a decent defense know how to beat us. Line the box, stop the run, and make Polasek/Carson Wentz beat you.

Why don't you go back to egriz and talk shit about ND douchebag.

[CentennialBison]

2011 and 2012 YSU and Indiana State losses were flukes in many ways. This is the first time since 2010 that I saw a team line up and play NDSU and just beat them down physically. The offensive play is a major problem.

1.) Offensive play calling. Horrible. Not imagination or guts at all.
2.) QB play. Has been getting progressively worse.
3.) Offensive line. Too many penalties and were physically dominated in this game.

WIU exposed this team and other teams who have a decent defense know how to beat us. Line the box, stop the run, and make Polasek/Carson Wentz beat you.
It isn't that the O line is weak. The problem is teams know what play we are going to run. Stacking the box against us works because we will still try to run the same play. Even last years team didn't run plays like this, we were imaginative and kept opponents from selling out. Majority of the plays we are running
- Carson rolls to the right on play action
- RB tries to run through the middle
- Long ball usually to one of the corners
Add to this our insistence on always running on 1st and 2nd downs and trying to save our ass on the 3rd down by throwing. If a layman like me could figure this out, so can other teams.

[stevdock]

People he's right. The writing has been on the wall all season minus Iowa St. Tonight we just played someone who could put an entire game together. We got out-coached and out-played. Now the question that needs to be answered is, do we have the same resolve of past champion teams? We'll find out next week.

[HerdBot]

Not concerned.

1) pick in the red zone
2) settled for field goal in red zone
3) Darius Anderson fumble
4) 50 yard kick return allowed
5) wentz missing Vraa twice

If only a few things like that don't happen it's a different game.

The last TD was a run blitz and we guessed wrong
can't make that many mistakes vs a great team.

Well be ok

[bisonmike2]

We should be concerned because this coaching staff has zero balls. This game was lost when they decided to go for the fg on 4th and short on the 3. Play to win the game, don't play to not lose.

[Hail bison]

We should be concerned because this coaching staff has zero balls. This game was lost when they decided to go for the fg on 4th and short on the 3. Play to win the game, don't play to not lose.

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[Elvis was a Bison]

2011 and 2012 YSU and Indiana State losses were flukes in many ways. This is the first time since 2010 that I saw a team line up and play NDSU and just beat them down physically. The offensive play is a major problem.

1.) Offensive play calling. Horrible. Not imagination or guts at all.
2.) QB play. Has been getting progressively worse.
3.) Offensive line. Too many penalties and were physically dominated in this game.

WIU exposed this team and other teams who have a decent defense know how to beat us. Line the box, stop the run, and make Polasek/Carson Wentz beat you.

I call bullshit. Put an officiating crew on the field like the one we had with the Jacks and it's a whole different game. Your 3 "reasons" don't hold water!!! We'll be just fine next week and for the rest of the season.....

[aces1180]

We should be concerned because this coaching staff has zero balls. This game was lost when they decided to go for the fg on 4th and short on the 3. Play to win the game, don't play to not lose.

Nope...That's complete bullshit...Our coaches made a decision, but they are 9 and fucking 1. What happens if we don't get it on 4th and 1? Or if Carson doesn't throw a shitty pass for an INT? Or if Darius doesn't fumble? NDSU lost today. It's not the end of the world.

[2011BisonAlumni]

I call bullshit. Put an officiating crew on the field like the one we had with the Jacks and it's a whole different game. Your 3 "reasons" don't hold water!!! We'll be just fine next week and for the rest of the season.....

The officiating was fine today. They called the right calls. Phil said on the radio that he thought they officiated a good game.

[bisonmike2]

Nope...That's complete bullshit...Our coaches made a decision, but they are 9 and fucking 1. What happens if we don't get it on 4th and 1? Or if Carson doesn't throw a shitty pass for an INT? Or if Darius doesn't fumble? NDSU lost today. It's not the end of the world.

We had a return to the 12. We have to score a td there because we were doing jack shit offensively. A fg there was giving up. Show some balls, tell your offense you are scoring a td or else.

[bisonaudit]

Nope...That's complete bullshit...Our coaches made a decision, but they are 9 and fucking 1. What happens if we don't get it on 4th and 1? Or if Carson doesn't throw a shitty pass for an INT? Or if Darius doesn't fumble? NDSU lost today. It's not the end of the world.

what happens if we don't get it on 4th and 1? You just saw it on UNI's previous possession. That's what happens.

[Elvis was a Bison]

The officiating was fine today. They called the right calls. Phil said on the radio that he thought they officiated a good game.

That's what he said last week when they let them play football, too!

[2011BisonAlumni]

That's what he said last week when they let them play football, too!

I would put officiating as the last possible reason for getting beat.

Pretty simple. When you get beat by 20 points, officiating is not your reason for getting beat.

[aces1180]

We had a return to the 12. We have to score a td there because we were.doing jack shit offensively. A fg.there was giving up. Show some balls, tell your offense you are scoring a td or else.

A FG makes it a one score game...If the Bison don't give up a huge return on the impending kick-off and shut UNI down, its a different ballgame.

Our players did not look good today. I think its the wakeup call they need.

[stevdock]

That's what he said last week when they let them play football, too!

Problem today was most of the penalties were just stupid penalties. Illegal formation, false starts, encroachment. Almost every penalty was completely obvious and no reason not to throw them.

[MNLonghorn10]

We should be concerned because this coaching staff has zero balls. This game was lost when they decided to go for the fg on 4th and short on the 3. Play to win the game, don't play to not lose.

I thought the same. I think gettin a TD there instead of 3 puts a huge fire under the team. Very weak call not to go for it

[NDSUstudent]

A FG makes it a one score game...If the Bison don't give up a huge return on the impending kick-off and shut UNI down, its a different ballgame.

Our players did not look good today. I think its the wakeup call they need.

The team needed a spark, we needed six. Sometimes you gotta roll the dice and throw the book away.

I hope coach K takes a different look at things after this week.

[Elvis was a Bison]

Reread my 1st post. No where do I say we lost because of officiating. But, a crew that does not allow continuity or flow for either side, can skew the outcome of a game, and that's what happened today...

[aces1180]

The team needed a spark, we needed six. Sometimes you gotta roll the dice and throw the book away.

I hope coach K takes a different look at things after this week.

They wanted six but didn't need six. Either way, they would have needed a TD to tie or take the lead. If the D plays like they would have normally played, thing are different. NDSU wins as a team, but also loses as a team.

[TransAmBison]

A FG makes it a one score game...If the Bison don't give up a huge return on the impending kick-off and shut UNI down, its a different ballgame.

Our players did not look good today. I think its the wakeup call they need.Players and coaches. I really think the streak was weighing on all of them otherwise they would not have to preach the win the next play stuff. They were playing scared to a degree in my opinion. I'm hoping this centers them. I was concerned about them being undefeated going into the playoffs. Don't get me wrong, I didn't want them to lose, but this can be used as a positive. This will force them into looking into new plays...so if we encounter the same stout kind of defense again we may have new plays in the arsenal. I expect the o-line to take this personal. I expect the seniors to take over. I believe Klieman will take control.

Again hats of to UNI, but I'm glad to be a Bison. December will be ours. They had their superbowl. We will have ours.

[MAKBison]

execution was poor today, QB play was poor today, play calling was real poor today.

Am I concerned...nope! it the same issues popup next week then yes!

[CaBisonFan]

Who would have taken 9-1 at this point of the season before it started? I know...tough loss...but 11-1 is possible still, along with a strong playoff placement.

[2011BisonAlumni]

execution was poor today, QB play was poor today, play calling was real poor today.

Am I concerned...nope! it the same issues popup next week then yes!

It isn't like this is the first time these issues have came up though.

Montana. WIU. Weber. UNI.

Every other game we have played this year, we have had the same issues.

[thundarsdaddy]

Players and coaches. I really think the streak was weighing on all of them otherwise they would not have to preach the win the next play stuff. They were playing scared to a degree in my opinion. I'm hoping this centers them. I was concerned about them being undefeated going into the playoffs. Don't get me wrong, I didn't want them to lose, but this can be used as a positive. This will force them into looking into new plays...so if we encounter the same stout kind of defense again we may have new plays in the arsenal. I expect the o-line to take this personal. I expect the seniors to take over. I believe Klieman will take control.

Again hats of to UNI, but I'm glad to be a Bison. December will be ours. They had their superbowl. We will have ours.


^^^^ THIS!
AS TAB said, they played almost scared at times, I call it playing STIFF, with too much on their minds. Coaches did the same thing. To quote a certain NFL'er...RELAX. Bison will be fine after a week of focus. I'd hate to be Mo. State right now!

[Elvis was a Bison]

It isn't like this is the first time these issues have came up though.

Montana. WIU. Weber. UNI.

Every other game we have played this year, we have had the same issues.

Well, you obviously think that you are an expert at seeing the problem... Now what's your expert answer to solving it??

[HerdBot]

We should be concerned because this coaching staff has zero balls. This game was lost when they decided to go for the fg on 4th and short on the 3. Play to win the game, don't play to not lose.

Totally disagree. If we don't make it, it's a 2 possession game. Of course when our kick return coverage chokes on a porno cock on the following kickoff and gives then a field goal...

[scbison91]

Players and coaches. I really think the streak was weighing on all of them otherwise they would not have to preach the win the next play stuff. They were playing scared to a degree in my opinion. I'm hoping this centers them. I was concerned about them being undefeated going into the playoffs. Don't get me wrong, I didn't want them to lose, but this can be used as a positive. This will force them into looking into new plays...so if we encounter the same stout kind of defense again we may have new plays in the arsenal. I expect the o-line to take this personal. I expect the seniors to take over. I believe Klieman will take control.

Again hats of to UNI, but I'm glad to be a Bison. December will be ours. They had their superbowl. We will have ours. Usually learn more from losses than wins.. pretty confident we fininish 11-1 and 1 or 2 seed.

[MAKBison]

True, but It seems to me other than play calling it seemed we were playing real tight. CW seemed to be pressing most of the game and when he did make nice throws the TE let him down. CW had some huge wholes he could have ran in as well. I just wonder how hurt he is from last week. Seems like something was in his head....Maybe it was the foot, maybe UNI maybe the streak..not sure.


Perhaps the bounce back next week, perhaps they slide.....as the wise man said....we will see




It isn't like this is the first time these issues have came up though.

Montana. WIU. Weber. UNI.

Every other game we have played this year, we have had the same issues.

[semobison]

It is not that we lost, it is how we lost! They NDSU'd us! I hope this is a wake up call for the players and staff. Next up, Missouri State, on the road, need to play well next week!

[CalBison97]

^^^^ THIS!
AS TAB said, they played almost scared at times, I call it playing STIFF, with too much on their minds. Coaches did the same thing. To quote a certain NFL'er...RELAX. Bison will be fine after a week of focus. I'd hate to be Mo. State right now!

What's concerning is why in the world would an undefeated and 3-time defending champ play anyone scared? If Iowa St. didn't scare them why would UNI?

[loudsilverado]

I'm not worried at all. I think it was good to get the loss out of the way, it was bound to happen. I'm glad it didn't happen in the playoffs. UNI played great today, congrats to them.

[bisonaudit]

Totally disagree. If we don't make it, it's a 2 possession game. Of course when our kick return coverage chokes on a porno cock on the following kickoff and gives then a field goal...

You need a 7 and that's your best chance to get it. If you don't succeed they get the ball on the 3. Show some faith in your offensive and defensive players. Go for it.

[bisonmike2]

On a scale of 1-10, how hard was Schempf when he was writing the headline that NDSU's streak was over. I say it was at 11.

[2011BisonAlumni]

I'm not worried at all. I think it was good to get the loss out of the way, it was bound to happen. I'm glad it didn't happen in the playoffs. UNI played great today, congrats to them.

A loss bound to happen? Maybe, but I don't think any Bison fan saw a 24-3 physical beat down loss coming.

[Hail bison]

Totally disagree. If we don't make it, it's a 2 possession game. Of course when our kick return coverage chokes on a porno cock on the following kickoff and gives then a field goal...

You are obsessed with porno cock.

[stevdock]

You need a 7 and that's your best chance to get it. If you don't succeed they get the ball on the 3. Show some faith in but your offensive and defensive players. Go for it.

The o-line had 3 quarters to instill that confidence and our backs had to scramble to get every last yard.

[TransAmBison]

What's concerning is why in the world would an undefeated and 3-time defending champ play anyone scared? If Iowa St. didn't scare them why would UNI?Why? Because they know the streak will end sometime...and they were getting scared to face that loss. Why else would they play just to win the next play? They were getting concerned about too many things and not just playing football. You don't think this streak was on all their minds? Now that's gone...along with the fresh, bitter taste of defeat. I expect another tough game next week. I also expect us to be very dangerous come playoff time.

[Hail bison]

A loss bound to happen? Maybe, but I don't think any Bison fan saw a 24-3 physical beat down loss coming.

I'm quite certain you are obsessed with porno cock too

[bisonaudit]

The o-line had 3 quarters to instill that confidence and our backs had to scramble to get every last yard.

That's some pretty inspiring stuff. Makes me want to play for you.

Also, the math. It's not a close decision.

[CaBisonFan]

John Wooden said (and wrote) that their 88-game winning streak really became a burden. It felt like they were playing 'not to lose.' They got the loss and then rolled...

[HerdBot]

You need a 7 and that's your best chance to get it. If you don't succeed they get the ball on the 3. Show some faith in but your offensive and defensive players. Go for it.

You dont need 7 there. You need 3. How do have faith when you were 1 of 12 on 3rd down. Clearly we weren't moving the football. You take points when you have a chance. I blame it on the kick return coverage on the following kickoff. They lost the game right there when they gave them the field goal back. Bottom line is if you come out of there with zero, the games over. (Unfortunately the kick coverage made it zero )

[Loud and Proud Bison fan]

Atleast Urban Meyer goes for it on 4th and 1 on the goal line.

[Hail bison]

How do have faith when you were 1 of 12 on 3rd down. Clearly we weren't moving the football. You take points when you have a chance. I blame it on the kick return coverage on the following kickoff. They lost the game right there when they gave them the field goal back. Bottom line is if you come out of there with zero, the games over. (Unfortunately the kick coverage made it zero )

The kick return coverage sucked porno cock?

[bisonaudit]

How do have faith when you were 1 of 12 on 3rd down. Clearly we weren't moving the football. You take points when you have a chance. I blame it on the kick return coverage on the following kickoff. They lost the game right there when they gave them the field goal back. Bottom line is if you come out of there with zero, the games over.

We weren't moving the ball so the thing to do is not try for 7 when you're not going to get any closer and instead leave yourself, by your own choice, needing to move the ball farther, later in the game? Don't get it.

[thundarsdaddy]

John Wooden said (and wrote) that their 88-game winning streak really became a burden. It felt like they were playing 'not to lose.' They got the loss and then rolled...

Wow!
I was starting to feel old, because I recall that streak, even though I was only 14 or so, then you posted about it right here!...lol

Soooo true! Roll ON BISON!

[tony]

We weren't moving the ball so the thing to do is not try for 7 when you're not going to get any closer and instead leave yourself, by your own choice, needing to move the ball farther, later in the game? Don't get it.

I didn't like the call. If NDSU goes for it, then they are setting themselves up to win. Don't go for it is playing to tie.

That said, not going for it is about #99 on the list of things to be concerned about because going for it or not is totally in NDSU's control.

If they played tomorrow, NDSU could go for it.

I'm not so sure that if they played tomorrow that NDSU could block Williams, tackle Johnson, or hit open receivers. Maybe they could, maybe they couldn't. But they'd have to play a heckuva better to get it done.

[2011BisonAlumni]

We weren't moving the ball so the thing to do is not try for 7 when you're not going to get any closer and instead leave yourself, by your own choice, needing to move the ball farther, later in the game? Don't get it.

Okay. So we score 7 and make it 10-7. UNI gets the kickoff and runs it back, kicks the field goal and makes it 13-7.

We still didn't move the ball. We still get beat.

[HerdBot]

The kick return coverage sucked porno cock?

Sequence.

Bison score field goal. It's a 1 score game.

Bison kickoff coverage allows a 55 yard return.

3 plays later UNI is in field goal range.

[NDSUstudent]

Okay. So we score 7 and make it 10-7. UNI gets the kickoff and runs it back, kicks the field goal and makes it 13-7.

We still didn't move the ball. We still get beat.

Not really, we hold them to a field goal and it is a one possession game. We could get another field goal and make it a 3 point game or get a TD for the lead.

That was Klieman's shot to bring some life into the team.

[bisonaudit]

Okay. So we score 7 and make it 10-7. UNI gets the kickoff and runs it back, kicks the field goal and makes it 13-7.

We still didn't move the ball. We still get beat.

so, if we'd have known they were going to score 3 on their next possession that's an argument for what? Kicking a FG or throwing a white towel down on the 50 shaking hands and going home?

[HerdBot]

We weren't moving the ball so the thing to do is not try for 7 when you're not going to get any closer and instead leave yourself, by your own choice, needing to move the ball farther, later in the game? Don't get it.

The 3 or 7 are irrelevant. You need 2 scores. You don't pass on an easy one. You just don't allow a 55 yard kick retuen. Hold them inside the 30. Make a stop and get the ball back and you suddenly are 1 TD away from a tie game with momentum.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Can anyone tell me when the last time NDSU was held to under 50 yards rushing in a game?

[CalBison97]

Okay. So we score 7 and make it 10-7. UNI gets the kickoff and runs it back, kicks the field goal and makes it 13-7.

We still didn't move the ball. We still get beat.

We get 7:
Bison offense and Panther Def knows they can get in endzone.
Panther offense tightens up knowing they are 1 play from being behind.
Bison Defense feels momentum, turns it up a notch.

We get 3:
Bison offense and Panther Def knows if we can't get in from 1 we may never get in, Panthers retain momentum, game over.

[bisonaudit]

The 3 or 7 are irrelevant. You need 2 scores. You don't pass on an easy one. You just don't allow a 55 yard kick retuen. Hold them inside the 30. Make a stop and get the ball back and you suddenly are 1 TD away from a tie game with momentum.

It is relevant. You need both to tie or 2 7s to win. The order matters. And you were on the doorstep. You could have taken a shot at 3 later from the 30 if you needed to.

[NDSUstudent]

Klieman coached not to lose and then he coached not to get blown out.

It wasn't exactly confidence inspiring coaching. That said he is a young coach, I hope he reflects on it and gets better. This can be a good loss if we grow from it and get better.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Klieman coached not to lose and then he coached not to get blown out.

It wasn't exactly confidence inspiring coaching. That said he is a young coach, I hope he reflects on it and gets better. This can be a good loss if we grow from it and get better.

I don't think there is ever such a thing as a good loss. You play to win the game. You don't play to get beat and then grow from it.

[Hail bison]

Can anyone tell me when the last time NDSU was held to under 50 yards rushing in a game?

Would you just shut the fuck up! They played a horseshit game. The last time the bison lost, they played like shit. Brock was fucking terrible. It happens

[NDSUstudent]

I don't think there is ever such a thing as a good loss. You play to win the game. You don't play to get beat and then grow from it.

If you learn from your mistakes and grow as a team, a loss can be a good thing. Like others have said, how this team responds will be telling.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Would you just shut the fuck up! They played a horseshit game. The last time the bison lost, they played like shit. Brock was fucking terrible. It happens

Why are you swearing? i just asked a question. Either answer it or ignore it.

[westnodak93bison]

Klieman coached not to lose and then he coached not to get blown out.

It wasn't exactly confidence inspiring coaching. That said he is a young coach, I hope he reflects on it and gets better. This can be a good loss if we grow from it and get better.
Yep. Next week will tell the story. Will we bounce back or go into a funk. The way we lost is very concerning. Seemed like the players were sleep walking.

[HerdBot]

Would you just shut the fuck up! They played a horseshit game. The last time the bison lost, they played like shit. Brock was fucking terrible. It happens

Edit. Responded to wrong post
Dude take some pills. The sky is falling. Start a fire x save y thread. I was a 7 point game after 3

[Hail bison]

Dude take some pills. The sky is falling. Start a fire x save y thread. I was a 7 point game after 3

Huh????????

[HerdBot]

Huh????????

Wrong response to wrong person. Sorry

[Hail bison]

Wrong response to wrong person. Sorry

Well that sucks porno cock:) Don't take me too serious.

[silkamilkamonico]

LMAO at everything about this thread.

[semobison]

I don't think there is ever such a thing as a good loss. You play to win the game. You don't play to get beat and then grow from it.

No, losing is never a good thing but losing today is better than losing in December or early January. Even though I do think today was the perfect storm for a Bison loss (every thing that could go wrong did go wrong) my continued concern is about the O-line play. The last time we have been dominated like that up front was in the 10 sack game in this same building in 09 or 10. That has been and still is our biggest concern!

[westnodak93bison]

LMAO at everything about this thread.
Explain please.

[56BISON73]

After listening to the game and Phils commentary I would say UNI gave us an old fashioned butt kicking. Pretty simple. No excuses.

[tjamz]

Didn't read the rest of the thread, but here is my take. Two teams (TWO TEAMS) in the history of FCS/AA football have put together perfect seasons. Two. Does the loss absolutely suck? Yes. Horribly. But how the team reacts to being beat down is a far better indicator of their character than continually winning. Perfection is hard to attain and even harder to maintain. UNI beat us. Squarely. Either we learn from our mistakes/situation or we fail to adjust. The fact that we lost should add fuel to the fire for the athletes on the team. As cliche as it sounds losing might be the best thing that happened to us.

[silkamilkamonico]

Explain please.

We got outplayed for the first time since I can't even remember how long ago and we should somehow be "concerned"?

[Hail bison]

After listening to the game and Phils commentary I would say UNI gave us an old fashioned butt kicking. Pretty simple. No excuses.

Are you concerned or is this just one of those games?

[silkamilkamonico]

I think you turn to concerning if it's somewhat of a pattern but nothing about today was consistent with how NDSU has been playing even this year.

Even the playcalling went from bad to absolutebrutal today.

[56BISON73]

Are you concerned or is this just one of those games?

Ive been concerned all year with the offensive line play and the play calling.

[1st&TennBison]

Not really, we hold them to a field goal and it is a one possession game. We could get another field goal and make it a 3 point game or get a TD for the lead.

That was Klieman's shot to bring some life into the team.
Either way, if the best team in the country can't move the ball in that situation and score a TD you just know the game is over. So with the way the game was going at that point you have to send a message to the team that they are going to cowboy up and get the TD and turn the game around. Playing it safe at that point just wasn't going to send a message to the team, the chance to show the team that the coach had confidence in them and give them an emotional boost was lost. Even if this game was a perfect storm of events for UNI to win, it was still a chess match that Farley won.

[westnodak93bison]

After listening to the game and Phils commentary I would say UNI gave us an old fashioned butt kicking. Pretty simple. No excuses.
56, I agree. But, the players and coaches have some explaining to do. NOBODY would say UNI is more talented as a whole than NDSU. You can pat the opponent on the back but the Bison didn't show up and perform to their potential. UNI is not a good team and their record proves it. They played to their potential and we played poorly.

[scbison91]

Didn't read the rest of the thread, but here is my take. Two teams (TWO TEAMS) in the history of FCS/AA football have put together perfect seasons. Two. Does the loss absolutely suck? Yes. Horribly. But how the team reacts to being beat down is a far better indicator of their character than continually winning. Perfection is hard to attain and even harder to maintain. UNI beat us. Squarely. Either we learn from our mistakes/situation or we fail to adjust. The fact that we lost should add fuel to the fire for the athletes on the team. As cliche as it sounds losing might be the best thing that happened to us. Kleinman did say at the beginning of the season there would adversity since it is a young team and since it took 10 games into to really have adversity, I am not too concerned.. I have a feeling Carson will be coming home tonight and watching film to the wee hours of monring and Dudzik will be tweeting out next week that they are focused and hungry for Saturday.

[scbison91]

56, I agree. But, the players and coaches have some explaining to do. NOBODY would say UNI is more talented as a whole than NDSU. You can pat the opponent on the back but the Bison didn't show up and perform to their potential. UNI is not a good team and their record proves it. They played to their potential and we played poorly. They aer pretty good team. Lost 8 to Iowa, 3 to Hawaii, 1 to ISU-b and 3 to SDSU..

[westnodak93bison]

They aer pretty good team. Lost 8 to Iowa, 3 to Hawaii, 1 to ISU-b and 3 to SDSU..
Whatever. IA is not good. They lost to the Clowns and got destroyed by the Goophs. We played so bad its embarrassing. Sugar coat it all you want. We sucked today and it isn't because UNI is great.

[Bison03]

Lost to a good team, got outplayed, simple as that. Need to refocus and learn and come out hungry and not want to feel like they did leaving the field.

[89MTBISON]

As has been the case all year, we get our opponents best. Today we played our worst game by far, and lost. UNI played phenomenal, they will lose one if their last two and miss the playoffs. Will be intersesting to see how we respond next week. Are we championship caliber or not?

[aces1180]

Kleinman did say at the beginning of the season there would adversity since it is a young team and since it took 10 games into to really have adversity, I am not too concerned.. I have a feeling Carson will be coming home tonight and watching film to the wee hours of monring and Dudzik will be tweeting out next week that they are focused and hungry for Saturday.




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scbison91
@dremartinjr If you read bisonville, they think season is over. bunch of losers.
11/8/14, 7:38 PM (https://twitter.com/scbison91/status/531259444215427072)

[aces1180]

Whatever. IA is not good. They lost to the Clowns and got destroyed by the Goophs. We played so bad its embarrassing. Sugar coat it all you want. We sucked today and it isn't because UNI is great.

Time to go FBS.

[westnodak93bison]

Time to go FBS.
Agree......

[Scooter1]

Let's face it. The offense sucked today. I don't know why, but they weren't on their game. The defense finally wore out at the end. So we got beat on the road by a team that had us on the ropes last season in the Fargodome... Jesus Christ, we got outplayed on one Saturday, some of you guys just kill me. Do whatever you need to do, change your tampons and get over it. Oregon, Alabama, Ohio St, Arizona St, Baylor, all have a loss this year... F'n man up. The sky isn't falling. You lost on the road. Bound to happen when you don't play well.

[semobison]

56, I agree. But, the players and coaches have some explaining to do. NOBODY would say UNI is more talented as a whole than NDSU. You can pat the opponent on the back but the Bison didn't show up and perform to their potential. UNI is not a good team and their record proves it. They played to their potential and we played poorly.

Wow! Is that all you do is look at a teams record and say they must not be good. I warned people, UNI came into this game with the conference top rushing D and also lead in sacks. Their defense won the game for them tonight, best we have seen in a long time!! And I agree with 56, our O-line has been a concern most all season. We will learn a lot more about our team the next couple of week!

[scbison91]

Let's face it. The offense sucked today. I don't know why, but they weren't on their game. The defense finally wore out at the end. So we got beat on the road by a team that had us on the ropes last season in the Fargodome... Jesus Christ, we got outplayed on one Saturday, some of you guys just kill me. Do whatever you need to do, change your tampons and get over it. Oregon, Alabama, Ohio St, Arizona St, Baylor, all have a loss this year... F'n man up. The sky isn't falling. You lost on the road. Bound to happen when you don't play well. LSU got beat by Auburn 41-7 a few weeks ago, and now LSU has a chance to win SEC West and go to playoffs..

[Bisonator98]

I think everyone needs to relax and have a beer or 30. Seriously we played absolutely horrific but UNI has a great defense and special teams. They out coached us and out played us today at their house in front of their fans. I have confidence our team will bounce back and be even better for it. They'll respond next week at MSU.

[td577]

Are you concerned or is this just one of those games?

My take is that it is just one of those game. A perfect storm. Everything we started doing something right, a penalty would kill momentum. Their defense watched tape and put guys exactly where we have been running plays the entire season. Just like every other game this year, the flats were there for FBs and TEs the entire game and we went there like three times. UNI was crashing hard on run plays and clogging up the middle. They were leaving the DEs home a little more than other teams, but instead of bouncing out, Crockett and Frazier were biting on purple funneling them to the middle. Their CBs were more physical then we have seen and were fighting through blocks and slowing down bubble screens, so they were thrown out of the playbook early even though when Crockett was out there, he was taking a CB three yards downfield with him when they tried to tackle him. We all saw the post route was there the whole game, but Wentz missed a couple and didn't try again.

The one part of the game where NDSU was doing it the right way the whole game was actually hurting them. When Carson started scrambling, his receivers did the right thing by coming back to him, but UNI was fronting the receivers. We should have adjusted and have receivers turn and let Carson go over the top. I just think his confidence about throwing the ball past ten yards was totally shot today. That needs to get fixed.

It was one of the few games we have seen where our opponent do what we expected them to do in the first half but were quick to adjust with us . We even had some plays that were called that looked pretty good against UNI selling out against the run. But, and here is the huge but, uni also adjusted with us because we adjust the same way every game. Eventually if you set someone up the same way 9 times in a row, you will get burned. It is like we can't adjust a third time in any game. Part of that is some of these guys only having 9 games together. I think we have been spoiled with teams that had seen so many different looks, they could bring up an old plan and run with it on the fly. Right now we have two plans. One is the first half where we show a certain style of play and the second is the one that beats the defense ready for the first one. So far, everyone has been trying the same thing against us because it has kept a lot of teams in the game until the second half. UNI seemed ready to go along with that, had some adjustments ready to go when we adjusted, and guessed right more than not. The perfect storm. Our offense was flustered, appeared to be very undisciplined because they were flustered, and obviously, they don't work with silent counts that often. There were no two play calls going up to the line of scrimmage. Wentz wasn't killing anything. Either he wasn't reading the defense, reading them incorrectly, or we scrapped our offense going up with two plays. Up until now, he has been very comfortable seeing what is in front of him, reading enough to know a play won't work, and killing to the second play. There could be a lot of reasons. I think he was seeing things he hadn't seen before.

The good new is now our offense has seen some new ways teams are going to defend them. If UNI was a one or two loss team with a playoff spot intact, maybe the Bison doesn't even see all of that today. UNI is playing for their season with every game now. They threw the kitchen sink at our offense and a lot of times it worked. I think Wentz and our offense is smart enough that with some prep, it won't happen again. Now someone has to come up with something else. You want your team to see every possible way other teams might try to beat you during the season. It is the only way your QB and offense will gain the knowledge and experience necessary to beat those systems in the future. Next week, they will see someone else try to mimic what UNI did, so they will see it again.

I am not worried about our defense. They were on the field way too much and way too quickly between series today. When our offense gets back into a rhythm, those issues will take care of themselves. I really didn't see anything that UNI did that exposed some great weakness in our defense. Our corners can still cover, our lineman can still put pressure on a QB (even when they are tackled most of the game), and our LBers were all over the field making plays. The only really bad thing I could point out is that I wish they would have caught a couple of those passes that hit them in the hands. But if they had great hands, they would be on offense. Oh, and Johnson is a beast but we all knew that going into the game.

It is just one of those games where we were out coached and out played because their coaches put their guys in great positions to make plays. Now we have one of those games where in the future, the coaches can pull the offense aside and say remember what UNI tried to do to us, these are the plays that beat that.

[89MTBISON]

Villanova lost last week fell three spots, ISUr lost they fell 5 spots, CAA/Big Sky bias? How far do we fall? To 3 or 4?

[North Side]

Carson had some really bad over throws all season and it finally hurt us with a loss.

[Bisonator98]

Villanova lost last week fell three spots, ISUr lost they fell 5 spots, CAA/Big Sky bias? How far do we fall? To 3 or 4?

I'd say 2-3 but who knows. Just win out and we will get a top 2 seed.

[HerdBot]

Wow the comments suprise me. Have we suddenly become a different team? Did we win all these games with smoke and mirrors? It's football. We played terrible and made a ton of mistakes yet it was only a 7 point game at the end of 3 despite a horrible offensive game and some bad kick coverage. The entire UNI offense for 3 quarters was our shitty offense and bad field position, and a kick coverage. At the end we wore out. Were still the same team. We just need to shore up the offense and kickoff coverage. Nobody expected us to go undefeated. The 2011 and 2012 teams didn't go undefeated.

[HerdBot]

My take is that it is just one of those game. A perfect storm. Everything we started doing something right, a penalty would kill momentum. Their defense watched tape and put guys exactly where we have been running plays the entire season. Just like every other game this year, the flats were there for FBs and TEs the entire game and we went there like three times. UNI was crashing hard on run plays and clogging up the middle. They were leaving the DEs home a little more than other teams, but instead of bouncing out, Crockett and Frazier were biting on purple funneling them to the middle. Their CBs were more physical then we have seen and were fighting through blocks and slowing down bubble screens, so they were thrown out of the playbook early even though when Crockett was out there, he was taking a CB three yards downfield with him when they tried to tackle him. We all saw the post route was there the whole game, but Wentz missed a couple and didn't try again.

The one part of the game where NDSU was doing it the right way the whole game was actually hurting them. When Carson started scrambling, his receivers did the right thing by coming back to him, but UNI was fronting the receivers. We should have adjusted and have receivers turn and let Carson go over the top. I just think his confidence about throwing the ball past ten yards was totally shot today. That needs to get fixed.

It was one of the few games we have seen where our opponent do what we expected them to do in the first half but were quick to adjust with us . We even had some plays that were called that looked pretty good against UNI selling out against the run. But, and here is the huge but, uni also adjusted with us because we adjust the same way every game. Eventually if you set someone up the same way 9 times in a row, you will get burned. It is like we can't adjust a third time in any game. Part of that is some of these guys only having 9 games together. I think we have been spoiled with teams that had seen so many different looks, they could bring up an old plan and run with it on the fly. Right now we have two plans. One is the first half where we show a certain style of play and the second is the one that beats the defense ready for the first one. So far, everyone has been trying the same thing against us because it has kept a lot of teams in the game until the second half. UNI seemed ready to go along with that, had some adjustments ready to go when we adjusted, and guessed right more than not. The perfect storm. Our offense was flustered, appeared to be very undisciplined because they were flustered, and obviously, they don't work with silent counts that often. There were no two play calls going up to the line of scrimmage. Wentz wasn't killing anything. Either he wasn't reading the defense, reading them incorrectly, or we scrapped our offense going up with two plays. Up until now, he has been very comfortable seeing what is in front of him, reading enough to know a play won't work, and killing to the second play. There could be a lot of reasons. I think he was seeing things he hadn't seen before.

The good new is now our offense has seen some new ways teams are going to defend them. If UNI was a one or two loss team with a playoff spot intact, maybe the Bison doesn't even see all of that today. UNI is playing for their season with every game now. They threw the kitchen sink at our offense and a lot of times it worked. I think Wentz and our offense is smart enough that with some prep, it won't happen again. Now someone has to come up with something else. You want your team to see every possible way other teams might try to beat you during the season. It is the only way your QB and offense will gain the knowledge and experience necessary to beat those systems in the future. Next week, they will see someone else try to mimic what UNI did, so they will see it again.

I am not worried about our defense. They were on the field way too much and way too quickly between series today. When our offense gets back into a rhythm, those issues will take care of themselves. I really didn't see anything that UNI did that exposed some great weakness in our defense. Our corners can still cover, our lineman can still put pressure on a QB (even when they are tackled most of the game), and our LBers were all over the field making plays. The only really bad thing I could point out is that I wish they would have caught a couple of those passes that hit them in the hands. But if they had great hands, they would be on offense. Oh, and Johnson is a beast but we all knew that going into the game.

It is just one of those games where we were out coached and out played because their coaches put their guys in great positions to make plays. Now we have one of those games where in the future, the coaches can pull the offense aside and say remember what UNI tried to do to us, these are the plays that beat that.

This ^^
We were out coached for sure. They knew exactly what we were going to do. They even snuffed out the screen (duh it quit working like it did back in 2012) and halfback pass. We got out coached big time and the players failed to adjust.

it a learning moment

[missingnumber7]

I didn't get to watch much because I had a game today, but I did listen to the whole second half and watch the 4th quarter and there is one specific thing that concerns me. The appearance of the procedural penalties, especially the Illegal formation penalties in the 4th. Other than that, people have just forgotten what a loss feels like. I know that this sucks, but a loss to a legit team and not Mo St or YSU to end the season is not a terrible thing, if the coaches figure something out and the players get what they need to out of it and come back with a fire and drive to finish what they started.

I have full confidence that this was more of a pressure and fault game than a glaring weakness issue. Heal up, take it to the Bears, come home and freeze out the penguins and then roll through the playoffs.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Wow the comments suprise me. Have we suddenly become a different team? Did we win all these games with smoke and mirrors? It's football. We played terrible and made a ton of mistakes yet it was only a 7 point game at the end of 3 despite a horrible offensive game and some bad kick coverage. The entire UNI offense for 3 quarters was our shitty offense and bad field position, and a kick coverage. At the end we wore out. Were still the same team. We just need to shore up the offense and kickoff coverage. Nobody expected us to go undefeated. The 2011 and 2012 teams didn't go undefeated.

Those other two losses were so much different than this one. 2012 versus ISU, NDSU had more first downs, yards, time of possession etc etc. We gave them 17 points off of turnovers, two being pick 6's. The 2011 loss versus Youngstown state also had some bad turnovers. Bottom line is that in those two games, we played horrible but still only lost by 3 points and were in the position to win the game.

Did we make some bad mistakes in this one? Yes, but this is the first time since 2010 that I honestly did not think NDSU was as good as the other team. They dominated us on both sides of the ball.

If we play them in the playoffs, I am not confident we win. Those 2012 and 2011 Youngstown and ISU teams would have been blown out of the water had a rematch taken place.

[344Johnson]

UNI looked like a better team.

Just be happy it was now and not in December.

[Bisonator98]

UNI looked like the better team last year too. Don't matter it's over time to move on. If we get them in the PO's hopefully it's in Fargo or Frisco!

[td577]

This ^^
We were out coached for sure. They knew exactly what we were going to do. They even snuffed out the screen (duh it quit working like it did back in 2012) and halfback pass. We got out coached big time and the players failed to adjust.

it a learning moment

A big time learning moment. Like I said, now the coaches and players have seen another way they can be stopped. Hopefully, it just adds the proper motivation to figure out how to move the ball against that defense because they will see it again. It worked today so other coaches will try the same things UNI did. After we take that apart, someone will try something else. I just hope this young offense has now seen enough different defenses, schemes, and positioning to start immediately identifying how to move the ball right now instead of Monday. There aren't too many Mondays left that will really matter. For these guys it adds to their institutional knowledge of the game. It will be much easier in the future when they see something for everyone to get pulled aside and have a reference point. Remember what school X tried to do. We now know how to beat that.

[2011BisonAlumni]

A big time learning moment. Like I said, now the coaches and players have seen another way they can be stopped. Hopefully, it just adds the proper motivation to figure out how to move the ball against that defense because they will see it again. It worked today so other coaches will try the same things UNI did. After we take that apart, someone will try something else. I just hope this young offense has now seen enough different defenses, schemes, and positioning to start immediately identifying how to move the ball right now instead of Monday. There aren't too many Mondays left that will really matter. For these guys it adds to their institutional knowledge of the game. It will be much easier in the future when they see something for everyone to get pulled aside and have a reference point. Remember what school X tried to do. We now know how to beat that.

Honestly, how many teams have the personal to be able to go out and execute and stop NDSU though? There really aren't as many teams as talented as UNI on their defensive line.

[northerniowadave]

Don't be too concerned. It's been since the loss at EWU that a non-Valley, FCS school has been competitive with you. You still have the formula for a fourth Natty.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Don't be too concerned. It's been since the loss at EWU that a non-Valley, FCS school has been competitive with you. You still have the formula for a fourth Natty.

Being competitive is one thing. Beating NDSU by 3 points is another. Having our offense get completely shut down and being humiliated with NDSU's worst loss since 2005?

Hard not to be concerned.

[bloodmakesthegrassgrow]

We should be concerned because this coaching staff has zero balls. This game was lost when they decided to go for the fg on 4th and short on the 3. Play to win the game, don't play to not lose.

Boy do I agree with this....and it's not the first time this year either.

[td577]

Honestly, how many teams have the personal to be able to go out and execute and stop NDSU though? There really aren't as many teams as talented as UNI on their defensive line.

I actually stayed typing that earlier. Most of the time we just line up and beat people on talent alone.

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[WYOBISONMAN]

WTF........did everyone think we would never loose? This is still a very good team. Just not at the same talent level as last year. Maybe that level of talent is what is making the play calling what it is. That being said.......our huge numbers of penalties are complete horseshit!

[2011BisonAlumni]

WTF........did everyone think we would never loose? This is still a very good team. Just not at the same talent level as last year. Maybe that level of talent is what is making the play calling what it is. That being said.......our huge numbers of penalties are complete horseshit!

I don't think it is the loss that is concerning, but the way we lost. I thought we would get beat this season, but never in my wildest dreams did I think we would get beat by three touchdowns and only score 3 points.

[HerdBot]

WTF........did everyone think we would never loose? This is still a very good team. Just not at the same talent level as last year. Maybe that level of talent is what is making the play calling what it is. That being said.......our huge numbers of penalties are complete horseshit!

People are idiotic and delusional. It was a 7 point game after 3 quarters and you'd think we are no longer able to compete.

UNI is a great team at home and as their own writer said, it was the biggest home game in UNI dome history. They played out of their minds. We played like shit. Yet it was a 7 point game to start the 4th

[2011BisonAlumni]

People are idiotic and delusional. It was a 7 point game after 3 quarters and you'd think we are no longer able to compete.

UNI is a great team at home and as their own writer said, it was the biggest home game in UNI dome history. They played out of their minds. We played like shit. Yet it was a 7 point game to start the 4th

You sound like a UND fan talking like that.

The 4th quarter is a part of the game as much as the first 3 and we were owned in the 4th quarter.

[td577]

People are idiotic and delusional. It was a 7 point game after 3 quarters and you'd think we are no longer able to compete.

UNI is a great team at home and as their own writer said, it was the biggest home game in UNI dome history. They played out of their minds. We played like shit. Yet it was a 7 point game to start the 4th

If uni doesn't win another game this year, this season is now a glowing success. Our success or failure is judged by the collective work of the entire season. That is still an indicator of where our programs are at. Today was a disappointment, but it isn't the season. They do like that big ass garage they play in.

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[WYOBISONMAN]

People are idiotic and delusional. It was a 7 point game after 3 quarters and you'd think we are no longer able to compete.

UNI is a great team at home and as their own writer said, it was the biggest home game in UNI dome history. They played out of their minds. We played like shit. Yet it was a 7 point game to start the 4th

Well, our offense has been suspect enough all season ( save Iowa State). A loss was really an eventuality. And a loss this late in the season hurts a hell of a lot more than early. People trying to rationalize how we will only drop to #2 or 3 in the polls are nuts. And a #1 seed will probably be out of the question without some help. It is great to be a Bison fan..... But you need to be a little realistic. I suspect a loss in the quarterfinals will be about where we go this year. Anything more would have me ecstatic.

[344Johnson]

People are idiotic and delusional. It was a 7 point game after 3 quarters and you'd think we are no longer able to compete.

UNI is a great team at home and as their own writer said, it was the biggest home game in UNI dome history. They played out of their minds. We played like shit. Yet it was a 7 point game to start the 4th

Bison got pushed around and dominated. Haven't seen that happen in a long time.

[HerdBot]

You sound like a UND fan talking like that.

The 4th quarter is a part of the game as much as the first 3 and we were owned in the 4th quarter.

Apparently the "other wins" were all smoke and mirrors. Overnight we became a terrible team.

We were owned in the 4th quarter because we did risky run blitzes and that's why they got a long TD run.

Our offense has NEVER been able to score quickly. Were not built that way. When your down late your kind of fucked. Cant do two 9 minute epic drives with 10 minutes. Same was true of last year's team.

Fortunately we haven't been down by 2 scores in the 4th, like ever.

[WYOBISONMAN]

Oh.... A day a loss prior to the Quarter Finals wouldn't shock me...... And if that happens...... It was still a great season.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Well, our offense has been suspect enough all season ( save Iowa State). A loss was really an eventuality. And a loss this late in the season hurts a hell of a lot more than early. People trying to rationalize how we will only drop to #2 or 3 in the polls are nuts. And a #1 seed will probably be out of the question without some help. It is great to be a Bison fan..... But you need to be a little realistic. I suspect a loss in the quarterfinals will be about where we go this year. Anything more would have me ecstatic.

Seriously?????

[WYOBISONMAN]

Seriously?????

No..... I posted that to fuck with you. Good grief. This is not last year's Bison. Thing could also get better and we take it to the house...... I just think that is not very likely.

[NDSUstudent]

Well, our offense has been suspect enough all season ( save Iowa State). A loss was really an eventuality. And a loss this late in the season hurts a hell of a lot more than early. People trying to rationalize how we will only drop to #2 or 3 in the polls are nuts. And a #1 seed will probably be out of the question without some help. It is great to be a Bison fan..... But you need to be a little realistic. I suspect a loss in the quarterfinals will be about where we go this year. Anything more would have me ecstatic.

I think you are the one in need of reality check my friend. Wow is all I can say to that post, just wow.

One loss and it is all over. The nine wins we have are for naught I guess.

[HerdBot]

Bison got pushed around and dominated. Haven't seen that happen in a long time.

Well, if you take away the pick in the red zone and the Darius Anderson fumble, the complexion of the game is completely different.

Now.. Take away the 55 yard kickoff return. Take away the horrible wentz pass to vraa which was a TD.

We didn't get dominated like people think. It's quite simple. We didn't make plays when needed and late in the game our defense was desperate and tired.

The offense is not built to overcome a 10 point deficit in 1 quarter. Wouldnt have had to do that had we not fucked up half as many things as I listed above.

[2011BisonAlumni]

No..... I posted that to fuck with you. Good grief. This is not last year's Bison. Thing could also get better and we take it to the house...... I just think that is not very likely.

I don't think there is another team in the FCS that matches up to NDSU like UNI. If we don't play them in the playoffs and get a 2 seed, I don't see another team coming into the dome and beating us.

[344Johnson]

I think you are the one in need of reality check my friend. Wow is all I can say to that post, just wow.

One loss and it is all over. The nine wins we have are for naught I guess.

It's not that they lost. It's how they lost. Physical domination

[NDSUstudent]

It's not that they lost. It's how they lost. Physical domination

If we go out and beat MSU and YSU then what?

Did we not physically dominate SDSU? SIU? ISUB? Montana? Iowa State?

[2011BisonAlumni]

If we go out and beat MSU and YSU then what?

Did we not physically dominate SDSU? SIU? ISUB? Montana? Iowa State?

If we win out and UNI wins out I am guessing there is a 99% chance the playoff committee placed UNI in NDSU's bracket.

From what I saw tonight, I think it takes a flawless game from NDSU to even have a chance at beating UNI, and I am not sure that will be a enough.

[NDSUstudent]

If we win out and UNI wins out I am guessing there is a 99% chance the playoff committee placed UNI in NDSU's bracket.

From what I saw tonight, I think it takes a flawless game from NDSU to even have a chance at beating UNI, and I am not sure that will be a enough.

The thing is, UNI will likely go to ISUR if ISUR is seeded since it is short drive away. So the committee would also have to put ISUR in our half of the bracket.

[WYOBISONMAN]

If we go out and beat MSU and YSU then what?

Did we not physically dominate SDSU? SIU? ISUB? Montana? Iowa State?

If we do that we should have some decent seeding for the playoffs.....

[Professor Chaos]

Bison got pushed around and dominated. Haven't seen that happen in a long time.
You were getting "bored" with the Bison physically dominating every team they played correct? Maybe the players were too...


If we win out and UNI wins out I am guessing there is a 99% chance the playoff committee placed UNI in NDSU's bracket.

From what I saw tonight, I think it takes a flawless game from NDSU to even have a chance at beating UNI, and I am not sure that will be a enough.
No, this UNI team lost to SDSU at home with SDSU's backup QB playing despite having a pick 6 from their defense. You saw them at their best and I don't think they'll be able to replicate that performance. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go to Carbondale next week, a place they've traditionally struggled at, and lose knocking themselves out of the playoffs entirely.

[WYOBISONMAN]

I think you are the one in need of reality check my friend. Wow is all I can say to that post, just wow.

One loss and it is all over. The nine wins we have are for naught I guess.

I sure as hell wouldn't call a run to the Quarter Finals being all over. Like I said.... Some of you need to get off that Kool-aid. We are having a good year.....

[NDSUstudent]

I sure as hell wouldn't call a run to the Quarter Finals being all over. Like I said.... Some of you need to get off that Kool-aid. We are having a good year.....

I don't see the team losing at home, they just seem to play at a different level at home. We've had plenty of road issues but at home we've been solid.

Hell Stig said the dome for us is worth a TD. That is a huge advantage. Not sure I'm drinking the kool-aid.

[td577]

No..... I posted that to fuck with you. Good grief. This is not last year's Bison. Thing could also get better and we take it to the house...... I just think that is not very likely.

I don't know if another championship is going to happen this year but I do know the 2011 and 2012 teams weren't the 2013 team either. In fact, I remember the talk in 2010 being wait until 2013 because that will be the year we win it. Since then we have shown that we don't have to be the best team every Saturday to win, even though three times now we have lost since EWU. We do know there are probably only a very small handful of schools that could possibly beat us if we do play our best. So really the question is, can this team put together a six game stretch where it can play its best football, now that we have gotten through 10 games with some ups and downs?

There is no question, the defense is the best in the country in fcs. Statistically they prove it in the toughest fcs conference in the country. On the field, we see it. Today was the closet to an all out blowout we have seen in a long time. It took a complete team effort for that scoreboard to look that bad. The chances of everything going that bad and the defense not giving this team a chance to win again, is very remote. Maybe we were just due for a blowout, it happens to everyone else.

So we are beatable. So is everyone else. We also saw it took the absolute best game possibly any uni team has played in a very long time to do it. I am not sure what you trying to do. Inject reality? The reality is this is still one of the best programs in the country. Maybe you are just a little bit pissed off because the Bison lost today and channeling a lot of energy into making sure your misery has company. The reality is both teams still only get to put 11 guys on the field at a time. There is only a handful of guys I would consider in FCS as our QB over Wentz. A couple of guys I would take over Vraa or Crockett. Our TE crew is probably the best in the country. These guys are all on this team. In fact, just those guys I mentioned, there aren't too many schools, regardless of level, who wouldn't take them. So we have the talent. Our coaches have won before, so we have the coaches.

What indicator is there that we can't win a couple of payoff games, in our dome, against painfully inferior teams to get the last four standing? Then, at that point, that we completely lack the capacity to possibly win a couple more? I would be willing to bet that any other team in fcs were told they could pick either uni or NDSU to face tomorrow in a game, 99% would pick uni. Maybe make the choice NDSU or the field and the percentage drops to 95%.

If we are to lose again, it will require an effort greater than uni's today. They have to have all the same attributes happen. Great positioning, crazy crowd atmosphere, wierd bounces, and a long list of things that are uncharacteristic of a Bison football team. The odds are not in their favor.

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[scbison91]

I don't think there is another team in the FCS that matches up to NDSU like UNI. If we don't play them in the playoffs and get a 2 seed, I don't see another team coming into the dome and beating us. and if we play them in the farog dome, it will be opposite outcome and play out same way with UNI making a alot of mistakes and not being able check at line because of the noise.. we win 23-3

[SoCalBison]

Today was all about pattern. Everything that we're bitching about here was a huge concern at several points in previous games. Play calling, penalties, Carson throwing with no touch, kicking field goals when you've got a good chance to keep a drive alive or score a TD. UNI had our number and exploited those holes. Someone else here said that UNI was the only team that matches us so well. Today, there was no match. They were better coached, mentally prepared, and physically ready. We were not.

[RonMexico]

They wanted six but didn't need six. Either way, they would have needed a TD to tie or take the lead. If the D plays like they would have normally played, thing are different. NDSU wins as a team, but also loses as a team.

But with the way the offense was playing that day, what were your chances of getting that close to the endzone again? And it wasn't 4th and goal..it was 4th and less than a yard. They didn't need to score, they just needed one more yard for a new set of downs.

[CalBison97]

and if we play them in the farog dome, it will be opposite outcome and play out same way with UNI making a alot of mistakes and not being able check at line because of the noise.. we win 23-3

UNI isn't intimidated by our dome. They led 23-10 in the 4th last year before losing Farley and Johnson. No way we beat UNI at home if we don't make improvements in many facets. I am shocked at how poorly our offense played, despite the playcalling.


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[BisonFan13]

I agree with the original post. They have not put a complete game together all season. The defense is good but the offense and special teams at times has work to do. I'm also starting to wonder how accurate Wentz is. The last two or three games he's had wide open receivers that he's missed. I'm a little more concerned than most Bison fans too. I hope this loss helps. Like a couple of you said, we will find out next week.

[scottietohottie]

You can only ride the coattails of Craig Bohl for so long.

[BisonTeacher]

Everyone seems really concerned about not going on 4th down near the end zone. We got points there and it was late and a one possession game after the fg.

Im more concerned about not going on 4th and 1 from the 40 early in the game. We punted into the endzone and they got the ball on the 20. Dumb IMO.

[bisonaudit]

Everyone seems really concerned about not going on 4th down near the end zone. We got points there and it was late and a one possession game after the fg.

Im more concerned about not going on 4th and 1 from the 40 early in the game. We punted into the endzone and they got the ball on the 20. Dumb IMO.

They were both bad decisions for the same reasons.

[thundarsdaddy]

IN staying with the original theme here of, "should we be concerned...", I will say a legitimate YES.
Personally I am very optimistic about this Bison team, but I am "concerned" that in order for the Bison to regain their focus", I do think offensively, we need to be "less predictable", any this goes beyon simply play calling.
While as a fan I LOVE the aspect that the Bison rolls over opponents in the second half, especially in the 4'th quarter. But in the last few games, either home or away, I have started to wonder about our "focus" on offensive in the first half?
Without writing book, on play selection by the Bison in the first half of games this year, the bottom line is the Bison offensive play itself, AND coaches stating the fact that the Bison want to "soften" the opposing defense up by passing a lot more, and running more "trick" type payed such as end-arounds etc. and even the beloved "inside screen" that the Bison of past years has used as a DAGGER in winning games and championships, so much so that the defense(pick your opposing teams name here) knows what to look for?
Telegraphing our plays is bad enough, but telegraphing our offensive philosophy, has only allowed defenses, to look a game film and do what UNI did to us? THey looked at formations we run, found tendencies, and in a lot of cases, they knew what plays were coming before the ball was snapped! Add to that, even though Carson had tons of time to stay in the pocket looking for a receiver, either the coverage was too good, or he simplydidnt see open receivers.
Either way, the Bison focus, might want to think about coming out NOT trying to soften up the opposing defense with passing when they dont expect us, running trick plays, but maybe lets establish that Herd Mentality, by running the football, mostly, getting on the scoreboard early, and not wait till the second half to dominate? Why not do it early!
Go Bison, and like I said once already...I feel bad for Mo. State as they are gonna be hurting next saturday night!

[THEsocalledfan]

Can we all agree that Bisonville is a lot more interesting after a loss?

[Tatanka]

Can we all agree that Bisonville is a lot more interesting after a loss?


I would choose several words other than "interesting".

[scottietohottie]

It will be interesting to see if this team can turn it around or just poop out three more losses.

[GFBison]

For some Bison fans this was the first time to experience a Bison loss. Her older brothers hadn't seen one either. Now they know everyone can have a set back.

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[Hail bison]

If we win out and UNI wins out I am guessing there is a 99% chance the playoff committee placed UNI in NDSU's bracket.

From what I saw tonight, I think it takes a flawless game from NDSU to even have a chance at beating UNI, and I am not sure that will be a enough.

Good, bring them on. You think they can beat us twice in one year? You are afraid of UNI. I doubt our players will be if we meet them in the playoffs. I'd say they would love to meet UNI again.

[CalBison97]

Good, bring them on. You think they can beat us twice in one year? You are afraid of UNI. I doubt our players will be if we meet them in the playoffs. I'd say they would love to meet UNI again.

They just clocked us by 3 tds. They can absolutely beat us again no matter where it is played.


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[Hail bison]

They just clocked us by 3 tds. They can absolutely beat us again no matter where it is played.


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It's damn hard to beat a good team twice in one year. You make a good point, but don't forget the team we have here

[CalBison97]

It's damn hard to beat a good team twice in one year. You make a good point, but don't forget the team we have here

No doubt, but it IS possible. Nothing I saw yesterday gives me 100% confidence we win just because it's at home.


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[td577]

It will be interesting to see if this team can turn it around or just poop out three more losses.

Yeah, because those other 9 teams would beaten NDSU had they come after this game.

When does the silly hyperbole actually begin? Because posters like this one with the Bohl comment and pooping losses is no where near the level I expected coming off yesterday's loss. As disappointing as the loss was, comments like this Scottie child are no where near meeting any level of thoughtful anything. Drive by trolling at its worse.

Please come up with better material or don't come at all.

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[HerdBot]

Yeah, because those other 9 teams would beaten NDSU had they come after this game.

When does the silly hyperbole actually begin? Because posters like this one with the Bohl comment and pooping losses is no where near the level I expected coming off yesterday's loss. As disappointing as the loss was, comments like this Scottie child are no where near meeting any level of thoughtful anything. Drive by trolling at its worse.

Please come up with better material or don't come at all.

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People are idiotic. Nuff said.

[Hail bison]

No doubt, but it IS possible. Nothing I saw yesterday gives me 100% confidence we win just because it's at home.


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For sure. They were very impressive

[THEsocalledfan]

I would choose several words other than "interesting".
Are you even reading this thread? Get out the popcorn and enjoy the entertainment. It is like the old Jerry Springer Show!

[FFBison]

Good, bring them on. You think they can beat us twice in one year? You are afraid of UNI. I doubt our players will be if we meet them in the playoffs. I'd say they would love to meet UNI again.

The funny thing with UNI is that they could turn around and lose their final game of the year vs MoSt. Very unpredictable team. Roster always full of talent, but can't always put it together for a full season. But they can play up to anyone when they want to. I'd rather not play any conference teams in the playoffs, but that's unlikely to happen. UNI in the dome in December would be exciting but I'd rather have Bethune-Cookman, McNeese St, EWU. Teams that don't know us very well.

But...I'll agree, they aren't going to beat us twice!

[td577]

No doubt, but it IS possible. Nothing I saw yesterday gives me 100% confidence we win just because it's at home.


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I agree with you. There is nothing in yesterday's game that gives me 100% confidence we win just because it's at home. If we are going to be a championship level team, which I think we are very well capable of, some things have to happen differently then yesterday.

1. You need to match the level of play of your opponent: UNI is playing for their playoff lives or at least making sure their season has been capped off with one totally awesome win. Everything going into the game should have led anyone to believe uni was intense and very well prepared. They said it many times. They have shown it in the past they treat NDSU different then anyone else. UNI had all but said of all the games on their schedule, this was the only one circled. With those factors in place, our team should have a feeling the game is going to be a little different then the other ones on the schedule. I am not sure you can preach this is another game when the other team isn't complying with the same standard.

2. When everything else is going wrong, there needs to be faster recognition of those things going right: Our TEs and FBs were open in the flat and if we are a WCO, then there should be no problem going full WCO on anyone. We seemed to either continue to try forcing things that usually work against other teams, like the inside runs (this isn't the first time this has been the case) or going completely out of anyone's comfort zone and pushing further down the field. I would have been fine with simplifying our offense, going to a pro style two back set, and our receivers taking d-backs deeper while our TEs and FBs exploiting the flats. I have seen us do this before, so it wouldn't be asking our offense to try new plays, just staying in an offense that might have a greater chance for success.

3. Even if we have a great defense, we don't need to continue to ask them to do everything: Two plays especially stand out that were derived from completely knowing our defense can be counted on. The fourth and 1 at the 40 where we ended up with a 20 yard net punt earlier in the game. If you are saying we are going to punt because we feel our defense can help us flip the field, then go that one step further and say we can get the less than one yard necessary for a first down, continue to rest our defense, or if we fail, our defense is good enough to bail us out of that situation anyways. You can have it both ways, but punting is the only option that insures the defense has to bail you out. The other play was the punt block try that turned into roughing the punter. Instead of forcing a blocked punt, it was effectively a turnover by giving them a first down. Granted, the defense did step up and get the ball back on the next play, but I am starting to wonder if we have ever pulled off a blocked punt and if we have, has it been worth it vs. the multiple times we have roughed the kicker over the past few years. Can we start meeting the punter at a point in the field if we are going to try that to minimize the roughing call if we miss the ball? Or will this always be an all or nothing play? We have obviously not mastered the punt block to any point where we actually block a punt, so maybe it is a choice we start to not make.

There needs to come a point in games like this where everyone can stop and say the other team is doing nothing we expected. Since that is the case, we are still the better team and we can overcome this by doing X, Y, and Z. I think a lot of the problems here lie in that we don't have X,Y, and Z in place yet. I think we are much closer to being able to make those adjustments because if we aren't learning from games like yesterday, then it is time to start bringing in the chaplain to start praying teams will better conform to how we want them to perform rather than how they want to.

[semobison]

The funny thing with UNI is that they could turn around and lose their final game of the year vs MoSt. Very unpredictable team. Roster always full of talent, but can't always put it together for a full season. But they can play up to anyone when they want to. I'd rather not play any conference teams in the playoffs, but that's unlikely to happen. UNI in the dome in December would be exciting but I'd rather have Bethune-Cookman, McNeese St, EWU. Teams that don't know us very well.

But...I'll agree, they aren't going to beat us twice!

Another funny thing about UNI is that they have to go to Carbondale this week where they have not won since 1996. It will be interesting to see if the Panthers have a Bison hangover next Saturday!

[HerdBot]

For sure. They were very impressive

They were impressive. Any win over UNI is going to be very hard. But I see no reason why we couldn't beat them.... or lose to them again. They are not a good matchup for us. I guarantee next time we play them we won't make as many mistakes as we did this time.

[Hail bison]

They were impressive. Any win over UNI is going to be very hard. But I see no reason why we couldn't beat them.... or lose to them again. They are not a good matchup for us. I guarantee next time we play them we won't make as many mistakes as we did this time.

Calbison is right. Nothing is 100% but some (not you) seem to fear UNI. I was not at the game, but it looked like the ISUb loss on TV. The team was just off and UNI played with fire. Come on people

[tjamz]

People are idiotic and delusional. It was a 7 point game after 3 quarters and you'd think we are no longer able to compete.

UNI is a great team at home and as their own writer said, it was the biggest home game in UNI dome history. They played out of their minds. We played like shit. Yet it was a 7 point game to start the 4th
Exactly. We lost, it sucks, improve, move on.

[THEsocalledfan]

While I am not happy about the loss, it was bound to happen. This is not the 2013 Bison. Carson had an off day. Last time a QB played that poor was Brock against Indiana St. Yet, that same QB is one of the biggest legend in NDSU history. Point is off games happen to the best QB's.

My biggest concern was how the offensive line got pushed around on running plays. That was very concerning to me and I'd suspect that even though it is late in the season, it might be time for a couple butt kicking practices of the ones versus the ones to get folks back to the basics.

[VanClubPres]

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[A1pigskin]

Exactly. We lost, it sucks, improve, move on.

Yep. Bison won 2 championships with one loss.

[CaBisonFan]

We were more than concerned the last two times we lost.

[stevdock]

I sure hope that we learned enough from yesterday to not see that result the rest of the season. I was most disappointed with execution (that has some to do with UNI) and intensity/competitiveness. Now let's see an answer and destroy MSU for the first time? since we joined the Valley. If we don't destroy them, I am still concerned about this team moving forward.

[LongLostAlum]

No doubt, but it IS possible. Nothing I saw yesterday gives me 100% confidence we win just because it's at home.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt took a nail-biter come from behind effort to beat them 24-23 last year. So yeah, it's not like we have some major home field advantage over them.

[HerdBot]

It took a nail-biter come from behind effort to beat them 24-23 last year. So yeah, it's not like we have some major home field advantage over them.

Very true. Although we fumbled that game away. The difference is last year's team was more talented and experienced so they could overcome the turnovers

[GOBISON123]

UNI playoffs is a big payback

[heffray]

Yep. Bison won 2 championships with one loss.

I'm not sure if it's been said on here or not, but is anyone else concerned with how our coaches will prepare our players after this loss? In the first 2 years of the 3-peat, the coaches did a phenomenal job helping our players bounce back, evidenced by the championships. This is a new coaching staff and I think that will make a difference in that realm. I am interested to see how it works out.

[BisoninNWMN]

Have not even read this thread.

To answer the title of this thread: NO!


UNI was better yesterday. Wouldn't surprise me if they lay an egg at Carbondale this week.

[Hail bison]

I'm not sure if it's been said on here or not, but is anyone else concerned with how our coaches will prepare our players after this loss? In the first 2 years of the 3-peat, the coaches did a phenomenal job helping our players bounce back, evidenced by the championships. This is a new coaching staff and I think that will make a difference in that realm. I am interested to see how it works out.

And the seniors will need to lead

[heffray]

And the seniors will need to lead

That definitely would help, yes.

[Hammerhead]

And the seniors will need to lead

The seniors are the only players who have had to deal with a long trip back to Fargo after a loss.

[HerdBot]

I'm not sure if it's been said on here or not, but is anyone else concerned with how our coaches will prepare our players after this loss? In the first 2 years of the 3-peat, the coaches did a phenomenal job helping our players bounce back, evidenced by the championships. This is a new coaching staff and I think that will make a difference in that realm. I am interested to see how it works out.

No I'm not concerned even a little bit. Maybe they should get advice from Bisonville.com. We are all experts here.

[stevdock]

The seniors are the only players who have had to deal with a long trip back to Fargo after a loss.

Now that's something to think about right there. Isn't it more so the only redshirt freshman that got to go along with to EWU??

[NDSUstudent]

Now that's something to think about right there. Isn't it more so the only redshirt freshman that got to go along with to EWU??

Them and kevin Vaadeland

[BraxtonT]

Them and kevin Vaadeland

Better add Colten Heagle to the list, as he was a true freshman on that team.

Did the redshirts travel to Cheney?

[56BISON73]

UNI playoffs is a big payback


Seriously---use your brain on this one. You want to avoid them if you REALLY want to
make it to Frisco. Play them in Frisco fine.

[ZHerd]

Seriously---use your brain on this one. You want to avoid them if you REALLY want to
make it to Frisco. Play them in Frisco fine.

Agreed, thinking we are going to come in all mad and trounce them is just stupid. Maybe I'm weird but I would much rather lose in the playoffs than lose a championship game. I don't like being permanently remembered as a trophy. I think I came to this mentality by being afraid of seeing the Vikes become the first winless 5 Super Bowl loss team

[56BISON73]

Agreed, thinking we are going to come in all mad and trounce them is just stupid. Maybe I'm weird but I would much rather lose in the playoffs than lose a championship game. I don't like being permanently remembered as a trophy. I think I came to this mentality by being afraid of seeing the Vikes become the first winless 5 Super Bowl loss team

I dont look at the Natty in terms of winning and losing at this moment in time. it all about the opportunity to be in the GAME to decide whether you win or lose.

[ZHerd]

I dont look at the Natty in terms of winning and losing at this moment in time. it all about the opportunity to be in the GAME to decide whether you win or lose.

To clarify: I dont care to see a team back their way in or luck their way in (like the 2001 Vikes almost did), but want them there with that chance if they look legit (1998 and 2009 Vikes) Right now I just want to see a strong finish with a confident, hungry team going into the playoffs

[Hail bison]

I dont look at the Natty in terms of winning and losing at this moment in time. it all about the opportunity to be in the GAME to decide whether you win or lose.

I'm confused. You seem to be saying UNI is a superior team? It's one game that our team didn't show up for.

[56BISON73]

Right now I just want to see a strong finish with a confident, hungry team going into the playoffs

Oh I agree. My comments were in regard to your natty comment. We have much work to do before we think about frisco.

[ZHerd]

Oh I agree. My comments were in regard to your natty comment. We have much work to do before we think about frisco.

I know, see my late added clarification above

[Prime Power]

Just watched the game on dvr. If I noticed the mistakes, I am sure the coaches noticed the mistakes on plays. Hopefully they got it out of their system and correct them. Wentz is my biggest worry, missed a lot of open guys not only on his throws but also just seeing that they were wide open. The guy had all day to throw and was a statue back there.

[344Johnson]

I'm confused. You seem to be saying UNI is a superior team? It's one game that our team didn't show up for.

I don't think NDSU "didn't show up," I think they lost a game because the other team looked better.

[56BISON73]

I'm confused. You seem to be saying UNI is a superior team? It's one game that our team didn't show up for.

Where in that post did I mention UNI? But if you want to get to the rat killing ---UNI was superior. Not lucky but superior. We just didnt get beat we got our ass handed to us. So far this year I have heard we didnt show up or came out flat etc etc how many times?
You come out flat the # 1 team in the nation should keep it close. You dont lose by 3 TDS. That isnt flat. Thats an ass kicking.
I am not even upset we lost as I figured we might drop two this year. I am upset on HOW we lost. One the coaches didnt give the team the tools they needed to succeed as in game plan ,schemes , making adjustments etc. The players got beat physically and they made a tremendous amount of mental errors right out of the box. Thats on them. UNI NDSUd NDSU.

[Hail bison]

I don't think NDSU "didn't show up," I think they lost a game because the other team looked better.

I think you are near orgasm at this defeat. You've posted the same basic comment several times now in the last 24 hours. You didn't give two fucks about Bison football prior to this game, but now you are in awe of UNI. So the drama now makes it interesting?

[Hail bison]

Where in that post did I mention UNI? But if you want to get to the rat killing ---UNI was superior. Not lucky but superior. We just didnt get beat we got our ass handed to us. So far this year I have heard we didnt show up or came out flat etc etc how many times?
You come out flat the # 1 team in the nation should keep it close. You dont lose by 3 TDS. That isnt flat. Thats an ass kicking.
I am not even upset we lost as I figured we might drop two this year. I am upset on HOW we lost. One the coaches didnt give the team the tools they needed to succeed as in game plan ,schemes , making adjustments etc. The players got beat physically and they made a tremendous amount of mental errors right out of the box. Thats on them. UNI NDSUd NDSU.

I meant to reply to your post #175 where you directly referenced not wanting to play UNI. They were clearly superior yesterday. I share your concerns but I believe it's more about our team needing to correct things than UNI being a dominant force. Are we that far off?

[344Johnson]

I think you are near orgasm at this defeat. You've posted the same basic comment several times now in the last 24 hours. You didn't give two fucks about Bison football prior to this game, but now you are in awe of UNI. So the drama now makes it interesting?

You are bitter about how the game went. That's okay. I'm not too happy about how ND played against Arizona St either. Not too pleased about the Steelers game today either.

I'm not in awe of UNI. I was impressed with how they shut the Herd down, and didn't blink. If they played again, I'd be very surprised to see it go like that again. I think it would be fun to see how NDSU would respond to how that first game went.

Unfortunately, I'll doubt they'll play again. UNI has a way of shitting the bed or maybe they'll run into a team that is better than them.

[56BISON73]

I meant to reply to your post #175 where you directly referenced not wanting to play UNI. They were clearly superior yesterday. I share your concerns but I believe it's more about our team needing to correct things than UNI being a dominant force. Are we that far off?

UNI came to play. Did you see their intensity? As a player I would want another shot at them. As a fan I dont want to see them again. PERIOD!! They may be peaking at the right time. This next week will be interesting to see how they can play after all the hype of last week.

When your oline is getting knocked in to you own backfield thats being dominated.

[Hail bison]

You are bitter about how the game went. That's okay. I'm not too happy about how ND played against Arizona St either. Not too pleased about the Steelers game today either.

I'm not in awe of UNI. I was impressed with how they shut the Herd down, and didn't blink. If they played again, I'd be very surprised to see it go like that again. I think it would be fun to see how NDSU would respond to how that first game went.

Unfortunately, I'll doubt they'll play again. UNI has a way of shitting the bed or maybe they'll run into a team that is better than them.

We can definitely agree on your last statement. I see a loss for them against SIU. And yes, I am bitter about this loss. I wish you were too.

[Bisonville GasMan]

We can definitely agree on your last statement. I see a loss for them against SIU. And yes, I am bitter about this loss. I wish you were too.

I was there in that 'sewage-treatment-plant-looking dome' with some Iowa friends that had also gone with us to see their Iowa State Cyclones receive a beat down from NDSU back in August...my friend said we didn't even look like the same team that beat ISU. So, I am not so much bitter about a loss, but I am bitter about the way we lost. It was really f-ugly to be there in person and see that game.

Let's hope we re group and play some better football from now on...Go Bison!

[Hail bison]

UNI came to play. Did you see their intensity? As a player I would want another shot at them. As a fan I dont want to see them again. PERIOD!! They may be peaking at the right time. This next week will be interesting to see how they can play after all the hype of last week.

When your oline is getting knocked in to you own backfield thats being dominated.

They kicked our ass, no doubt. They were intense and better prepared. Having said that, our team played like shit. You can't credit UNI for all that poor play. Wentz had a bad game and the o line was terrible. We were out coached.

[unbison]

They kicked our ass, no doubt. They were intense and better prepared. Having said that, our team played like shit. You can't credit UNI for all that poor play. Wentz had a bad game and the o line was terrible. We were out coached.
As a matter of fact yes you can credit uni for being better on that day and quit with finger pointing as it never fixes a thing

[The_Sicatoka]

We were out coached.

Allow me to raise a point counter to that: I thought UNI was setting themselves up to hand the game back to NDSU.

First, the fake FG instead of going up two scores into the intermission? Wha-the ... Crypt Keeper shouldv'e put points on board in my mind.

Next, the inability of UNI to punch in a TD in the second half (until the end). When it went 16-3 I looked at the time left and said to myself that I'd seen this before: NDSU sitting within two scores and getting the ball in the last 20 or so minutes of a game. I was (sorry NDSU fans) cursing the UNI decision on the fake FG (as it should've been 19-3 at that point). As it turns out, UNI stood up to the challenge.

[Hail bison]

As a matter of fact yes you can credit uni for being better on that day and quit with finger pointing as it never fixes a thing

I said you can't give UNI ALL the credit. Go back and read. They were better Saturday but our offense played like shit. I wasn't there but I've watched the game twice. You can't give UNI all the credit for that. I'm still on the Carson/klieman/polasek bandwagon but I see no reason not to point a finger. These aren't high school kids. If you read, I was having a discussion with PL and that's the first post I've "finger pointed". If you want to express your anger at someone being critical of the team/coaches, don't single me out. I'm way down the fucking list. Btw, I'm not overly concerned, unlike some people.

[bisonmike2]

Maybe it's been said earlier in the thread, I apologize if this is a repeat thought, but what's concerning to me is that this was a thorough defeat. The past losses we could point to a specific play here or there that changes the game. Youngstown State game, DJ dropped the ball in the open as he was running in for a score. ISU game, any one of Brocks picks makes this difference. This game didn't have 1 play. We were crushed. Physically dominated. That's why I'm concerned.

[BisonNation11]

I guess I would agree and disagree all at the same time. Granted there wasn't really one or two moments that really changed the game, it was a lot of little moments. Beck missing a pick. Heagle missing a pick. Wentz missing two over the middle for TD's. Kick/Punt coverage. Missed FG. Fail of 4th down play in the red zone. Dropped passes. I'm sure I'm missing some more. To me, this game came down to the little things and we didn't do them correctly and we didn't get the ball to bounce our way this game. Tons of credit to UNI for doing all the little things needed to win.

[semobison]

Maybe it's been said earlier in the thread, I apologize if this is a repeat thought, but what's concerning to me is that this was a thorough defeat. The past losses we could point to a specific play here or there that changes the game. Youngstown State game, DJ dropped the ball in the open as he was running in for a score. ISU game, any one of Brocks picks makes this difference. This game didn't have 1 play. We were crushed. Physically dominated. That's why I'm concerned.

Yep, football games are won in the trenches and our O-line was dominated in the run game. I am worried about Missouri State. O-line needs to show up big next week!

[ndsubison1]

NDSU one of the choices for "Biggest Disappointment" this weekend. Go to the 4th main poll... http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls

[missingnumber7]

We were more than concerned the last two times we lost.

It can't have been to terribly concerning, bisonville didn't crash.

[bisonp]

Well, I'm not going to read through all 200 posts so if am repeating what has already been said I apologize.

------Whoops, double post, that was unintentional lol.------

[bisonp]

Well, I'm not going to read through all 200 posts so if am repeating what has already been said I apologize.

Am I Disappointed? Sure. Concerned? Not really. People seem to forget that this run was a once-in-a-lifetime thing. The best ever in the history of FCS. Seasons like last year are the exception, not the rule. We had a lot of luck along the way. Great play from great teams, sure, but a lot of stuff went our way.

Maybe we'll lose again, maybe we won't win a title this year. That doesn't mean the program is in trouble. Nobody stays on top forever. This is still a great team and a great program. They still have a lot of good talent coming up. They should be a contender for years to come.

[ndsubison1]

I like how we lose one game and everybody (Non Bison fans) say: "The run is over." And some UNI fans saying on their board how they will take over Minneapolis recruiting now.

[SDbison]

Maybe it's been said earlier in the thread, I apologize if this is a repeat thought, but what's concerning to me is that this was a thorough defeat. The past losses we could point to a specific play here or there that changes the game. Youngstown State game, DJ dropped the ball in the open as he was running in for a score. ISU game, any one of Brocks picks makes this difference. This game didn't have 1 play. We were crushed. Physically dominated. That's why I'm concerned. Great point and I agree 100%. I still think NDSU's iffy offense will get them in trouble and it's a combination of the offensive line underperforming, WR's not getting open, Wentz still learning and Polisek's ineffective gameplan. Polisek is starting to make Vigen look like a genious. As I have long preached, the offense leaning on the defense to win the game will eventually result in a fail. Time for the offense to step up and play like the #1 team in the nation.

[Hammerhead]

It can't have been to terribly concerning, bisonville didn't crash.

No, but it was very slow when I tried posting comments shortly after the game ended.

[missingnumber7]

No, but it was very slow when I tried posting comments shortly after the game ended.

At least Tony didn't have to shut the site down until we could behave like adults.

If he did that the site would never be up

[CyPanth]

I was there in that 'sewage-treatment-plant-looking dome' with some Iowa friends that had also gone with us to see their Iowa State Cyclones receive a beat down from NDSU back in August...my friend said we didn't even look like the same team that beat ISU. So, I am not so much bitter about a loss, but I am bitter about the way we lost. It was really f-ugly to be there in person and see that game.

Let's hope we re group and play some better football from now on...Go Bison!


As a dual ISU/UNI fan, I was wondering the same thing. Your offense, especially your line, was so strong in Ames, but couldn't do much against UNI. Of course, maybe that is just a statement of comparison of the Iowa State and UNI d-lines.

On the postgame interview, Farley said they had a really bad practice on Thursday and he was afraid of what might happen. Then, they put together a great game plan and executed well. I never thought that you guys wouldn't be able to move the ball or throw the ball. And I doubt if it happens again. I wouldn't want to face you guys next week!

[Bisonville GasMan]

As a dual ISU/UNI fan, I was wondering the same thing. Your offense, especially your line, was so strong in Ames, but couldn't do much against UNI. Of course, maybe that is just a statement of comparison of the Iowa State and UNI d-lines.

On the postgame interview, Farley said they had a really bad practice on Thursday and he was afraid of what might happen. Then, they put together a great game plan and executed well. I never thought that you guys wouldn't be able to move the ball or throw the ball. And I doubt if it happens again. I wouldn't want to face you guys next week!

Well...I knew that you guys could beat us, but really didn't imagine that ugly of a loss down there...good luck the rest of the year.