FBS and money

[westnodak93bison]

Can anyone find a balance sheet for an athletic department like Boise State, UNLV or a Western Kentucky type program. Would be interested in seeing all the costs and revenues.

[ZHerd]

Can anyone find a balance sheet for an athletic department like Boise State, UNLV or a Western Kentucky type program. Would be interested in seeing all the costs and revenues.

At least we can cross the "paint the field blue" expenditure off of our potential expenditures list

[bisonaudit]

Can anyone find a balance sheet for an athletic department like Boise State, UNLV or a Western Kentucky type program. Would be interested in seeing all the costs and revenues.

What you want is an income statement rather than a balance sheet. Boise State's athletic budget is around $33 million. About 3/4 of that is generated by the athletic department. The rest of it comes from student fees, state and institutional support.

[CAS4127]

What you want is an income statement rather than a balance sheet. Boise State's athletic budget is around $33 million. About 3/4 of that is generated by the athletic department. The rest of it comes from student fees, state and institutional support.

Well, a balance sheet will normally include debits and credits, but I am by no means an accountant.


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[westnodak93bison]

What you want is an income statement rather than a balance sheet. Boise State's athletic budget is around $33 million. About 3/4 of that is generated by the athletic department. The rest of it comes from student fees, state and institutional support.

Ok. I'm no accountant but I'd like to see what they have and compare it to NDSU if that info is available. I couldn't find much doing a google search.

[bisonaudit]

Accounting crib sheet:

debit = left
credit = right

That's it. They're literally the names of the columns.

Balance sheet: shows the financial position at a given point in time, what you own and what you owe. Assets = Liabilities + Equity
Income statement: shows financial results over a period of time. Revenues - Expenses = Income

[CAS4127]

Accounting crib sheet:

debit = left
credit = right

That's it. They're literally the names of the columns.

Balance sheet: shows the financial position at a given point in time, what you own and what you owe. Assets = Liabilities + Equity
Income statement: shows financial results over a period of time. Revenues - Expenses = Income

Balance sheet at end of fiscal year for $100 Alex.


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[bisonaudit]

http://www.prairiebizmag.com/event/article/id/16327/

[westnodak93bison]

http://www.prairiebizmag.com/event/article/id/16327/

There you go. Charge the NDSU students an extra $1k each per year and we go FBS.

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[Billings]

Here ya go

Latest here is for 2011. I know Wyo's is up $3 million from that number for 2011 to about $30 million for 2014

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-14/ncaa-college-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1

[westnodak93bison]

Here ya go

Latest here is for 2011. I know Wyo's is up $3 million from that number for 2011 to about $30 million for 2014

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-14/ncaa-college-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1

Yeah, I saw that info before. I'm more interested in seeing the dirty details that make up "revenues" and "expenses". Would be cool to see what a next tier athletic program generates in ticket sales, tv contracts, concessions, sports wear etc....plus expenses like travel broke down by sport, compensation of all athletic dept employees etc.

[Billings]

Yeah, I saw that info before. I'm more interested in seeing the dirty details that make up "revenues" and "expenses". Would be cool to see what a next tier athletic program generates in ticket sales, tv contracts, concessions, sports wear etc....plus expenses like travel broke down by sport, compensation of all athletic dept employees etc.


this one is a bit better by sport but does not break out the revenue the way you want

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/index.aspx

[NDSU1980]

For those who think FBS is the Land of Milk and Honey, read this story. FSU lost a half million this year on their bowl game, for the second year in a row.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201404/florida-state-posts-initial-500000-loss-national-championship-trip

[bisonaudit]

For those who think FBS is the Land of Milk and Honey, read this story. FSU lost a half million this year on their bowl game, for the second year in a row.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201404/florida-state-posts-initial-500000-loss-national-championship-trip

What a fucking joke. That supposed loss is before their allocation of ACC bowl revenue.

[CAS4127]

What a fucking joke. That supposed loss is before their allocation of ACC bowl revenue.

That, and the research/investigation was done by some braindead politician!

[BisonNeil]

What a fucking joke. That supposed loss is before their allocation of ACC bowl revenue.
The point is still valid however. Bowl games are a scam and when a team is in a lower tier league like the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt when there is only one or two teams in a bowl, universities lose money. Keep drinking the koolaid. But keep in mind that sugar kills.

[NDSU92]

The point is still valid however. Bowl games are a scam and when a team is in a lower tier league like the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt when there is only one or two teams in a bowl, universities lose money. Keep drinking the koolaid. But keep in mind that sugar kills.

LOL come on. Yes the Sun Belt only had two teams last year. The MAC had 5 and CUSA had 6. FBS schools don't lose money because of bowls. And if they do, they make up the money by increased exposure. If they didn't, they wouldn't be FBS.

[bisonaudit]

The point is still valid however. Bowl games are a scam and when a team is in a lower tier league like the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt when there is only one or two teams in a bowl, universities lose money. Keep drinking the koolaid. But keep in mind that sugar kills.

Bowl games are a scam, but not because FSU "lost money" going to one. There are plenty of actual reasons why they're a scam, we don't need fake ones that also include FSU football crying poor.

[marenlee]

I hate to defend the FBS. But in this case, they'll end up making much more money than they lost in this trip. All this was really counting was their travel costs and having to eat unsold tickets.

[BisonNeil]

Keep drinking the koolaid.

Plenty has been written over the years about bowl games and how much money teams lose, especially in the non-BCS bowls. If you think a shit bowl that pays NDSU $900,000 is going to be a cash cow for the athletic department, you are absolutely smoking something you shouldn't be.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-09-28/bcs-bowl-games-cost-some-schools/50582512/1

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/2013/12/22/Bowl-games-a-win-lose-situation.html

[El_Chapo]

anyone seen this article?

http://www.crimsonandcreammachine.com/2014/7/3/5867137/the-big-twelves-worst-scheduled-football-games-in-2014

10 worst scheduled FBS v FCS games on 2014


8. August 30th North Dakota State at Iowa State: Oh man. Did we not learn anything from Kansas State last season? The Bison are the defending Championship Subdivision champions and are used to pulling upsets. The good news for the Cyclones is that NDSU quarterback Brock Jensen has moved on to the NFL.

[Bison 4 Life]

I'm not sure what this is supposed to say.

[kab1one]

LOL come on. Yes the Sun Belt only had two teams last year. The MAC had 5 and CUSA had 6. FBS schools don't lose money because of bowls. And if they do, they make up the money by increased exposure. If they didn't, they wouldn't be FBS.

Problem with "increased exposure" is no cash is involved, it doesn't pay any bills. Its a perceived benefit. For example, every time NDSU score or helmet is on ESPN, its worth $1,000 if they were to pay for the same advertising. It doesn't mean that NDSU is getting $1,000 in cash.

The bowl system if you read into it is pretty bad for the lower tier schools. U of Minnesota in accepting the game in Houston commits to a set amount of face value tickets. They in turn try to sell them to the alumni. This almost always leads to a deficit for the school in the bowl, as games are not sold out, the schools are stuck with tickets and fans can buy the same tickets on the street for 10 cents on the dollar. The school then also incurs all the cots of taking the team (and band) to the game. Often times additional hundreds of thousands of cost.

The fact Minnesota gets cash from the BCS pay out since Wisconsin is a mutual exclusive payment that comes from conference affiliation. Schools from conferences that don't get that payment are going to lose money on a bowl.

[El_Chapo]

I'm not sure what this is supposed to say.

whats wrong with you? I posted a Valid link of a BIG 12 worst Fcs games of 2014 thread. what do you think it says?

[Bison 4 Life]

whats wrong with you? I posted a Valid link of a BIG 12 worst Fcs games of 2014 thread. what do you think it says?

What does it have to do with FBS and money. Unless you want this one in the hall of shame too.


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[kab1one]

Pretty good article on the U of M going to a bowl game. States they don't lose money.

http://www.mndaily.com/2012/12/04/university-could-lose-money-bowl-game


But its because of the BCS dollars that makes it work.

[El_Chapo]

I didnt know where to put the FBS vs FCS link, sorry bison4lifemoderator

kabl1one good work I know where your heart lies

Minnesota will receive $1.5 million from the Big Ten’s bowl revenues to cover bowl game expenses such as hotel, transportation, food and travel, athletics spokesman Garry Bowman said.

You'd think you can turn a profit by having a smart logistic's manager

[Bison 4 Life]

Of the AP top 25 last year, ZERO schools were from the MWC, MAC, Sun Belt, or Conference USA.

tell me there isn't an artificial ceiling.


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[kab1one]

I didnt know where to put the FBS vs FCS link, sorry bison4lifemoderator

kabl1one good work I know where your heart lies

Minnesota will receive $1.5 million from the Big Ten’s bowl revenues to cover bowl game expenses such as hotel, transportation, food and travel, athletics spokesman Garry Bowman said.

You'd think you can turn a profit by having a smart logistic's manager

When you have to buy 12,000 tickets at 75/each. That is $900k. PLus you have to send the team and band and admin. That will be $300,000. All of a sudden you are in break even mode. IF you are MWC and don't have a BSC payment to subsidize you, and you make the bowl game in Detroit, you are a cash basis operations, if you have to sell 12,000 tickets at face, when there are 20k tickets on the secondary market cheaper, its hard to sell the packages. The bowl game is not a money maker.

[El_Chapo]

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/12/bowl_money_101_ncaa_audit_show.html

NCAA audit: Every football conference made money on 2012-13 bowls


"The perception is out there that schools are losing money going to bowl games and the reality is that's not true," said Wright Waters, executive director of the Football Bowls Association. "Bowls strike deals with conferences, and there very well may be issues that conferences are not giving them a big enough allowance to go to the bowl. But at the end of the day, the conferences are still distributing money at the end of the year."

Bowl Payout / Expenses

MAC $15,700,213 $4,108,580
Independents $7,872,485 $5,874,842
C-USA $7,020,983 $5,465,101
Sun Belt $6,850,200 $2,359,094
WAC $6,160,133 $1,059,173
Mountain West $5,709,267 $3,441,389

[NDSU1980]

So one FBS post gets moved to the Hall of Shame, and for good reason, and the FBS trolls just resurrect another one. Reminds me of the snake of ancient Greek mythology, every time you cut off a head, it simply grew 2 more. Real classy people who are demanding we go off half cocked into the FBS void.

[Bison 4 Life]

So one FBS post gets moved to the Hall of Shame, and for good reason, and the FBS trolls just resurrect another one. Reminds me of the snake of ancient Greek mythology, every time you cut off a head, it simply grew 2 more. Real classy people who are demanding we go off half cocked into the FBS void.

It was a lot better when his ban was enforced, wasn't it?


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[BisonTeacher]

So one FBS post gets moved to the Hall of Shame, and for good reason, and the FBS trolls just resurrect another one. Reminds me of the snake of ancient Greek mythology, every time you cut off a head, it simply grew 2 more. Real classy people who are demanding we go off half cocked into the FBS void.

At least they didnt start a new one.

I believe you are referring to a hydra.

[MNLonghorn10]

So one FBS post gets moved to the Hall of Shame, and for good reason, and the FBS trolls just resurrect another one. Reminds me of the snake of ancient Greek mythology, every time you cut off a head, it simply grew 2 more. Real classy people who are demanding we go off half cocked into the FBS void.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEmS11bSHhY&feature=kp

[BisonTeacher]

How long before this one gets locked?

[MNLonghorn10]

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/12/bowl_money_101_ncaa_audit_show.html

NCAA audit: Every football conference made money on 2012-13 bowls


"The perception is out there that schools are losing money going to bowl games and the reality is that's not true," said Wright Waters, executive director of the Football Bowls Association. "Bowls strike deals with conferences, and there very well may be issues that conferences are not giving them a big enough allowance to go to the bowl. But at the end of the day, the conferences are still distributing money at the end of the year."

Bowl Payout / Expenses

MAC $15,700,213 $4,108,580
Independents $7,872,485 $5,874,842
C-USA $7,020,983 $5,465,101
Sun Belt $6,850,200 $2,359,094
WAC $6,160,133 $1,059,173
Mountain West $5,709,267 $3,441,389

Thats a lot of money to be earned...and look at us wet our pants over a measly FBS paycheck+win on top of it one time a year.


appreciate the article chapo...its compelling as hell. Should make some people here think otherwise.

[El_Chapo]

cmon people, kabl1one and I are having a great conversation here with real facts, Great profit numbers have been posted, im sorry I saw an article about Big 12 FCS games from 3 days ago! and posted it in a relevant thread.

please, if you hate el chapo, please take a number at the prison door.

if 1980 doesnt post that message, this thread could stay on topic. Appreciate the help bisonville.

[MNLonghorn10]

Exactly...he hates fbs threads..yet whines in them to us about them.


Continue on gents.


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[Bison 4 Life]

Exactly...he hates fbs threads..yet whines in them to us about them.


Continue on gents.


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http://www.troll.me/images/the-trolling-is-strong/the-troll-is-strong-in-this-one-thumb.jpg

[NDSU1980]

How long before this one gets locked?

Probably not long. Guess what asshat gave me a red? I'd say guess what gay asshat gave me a red, but you seem to like those guys for some reason.

[Bison 4 Life]

Probably not long. Guess what asshat gave me a red? I'd say guess what gay asshat gave me a red, but you seem to like those guys for some reason.

Me too. I guess we shouldn't expect much from a typical t-shirt fan. Saw a ton of them back in Columbus, slightly fewer here but nonetheless.

Probably couldn't even get into college.

[El_Chapo]

Well Kabl1one and I are private messaging since it seems like this thread will be ruined by HaterNation

[Tatanka]

I'm more than a little sad to see a legitimate discussion ruined by people pushing an agenda. In this case, the legitimate discussion isn't what you think it might be.
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[Elvis was a Bison]

Hello. Hello.....Tony?, Wyo? Road? Bueller? Bueller?....... Anyone?......Anyone?

[El_Chapo]

anyone seen this article?

http://www.crimsonandcreammachine.com/2014/7/3/5867137/the-big-twelves-worst-scheduled-football-games-in-2014

10 worst scheduled FBS v FCS games on 2014


8. August 30th North Dakota State at Iowa State: Oh man. Did we not learn anything from Kansas State last season? The Bison are the defending Championship Subdivision champions and are used to pulling upsets. The good news for the Cyclones is that NDSU quarterback Brock Jensen has moved on to the NFL.

Feel free to move my original "relevant" post above if you want to. Thank you

[Bisonator98]

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/12/bowl_money_101_ncaa_audit_show.html

NCAA audit: Every football conference made money on 2012-13 bowls


"The perception is out there that schools are losing money going to bowl games and the reality is that's not true," said Wright Waters, executive director of the Football Bowls Association. "Bowls strike deals with conferences, and there very well may be issues that conferences are not giving them a big enough allowance to go to the bowl. But at the end of the day, the conferences are still distributing money at the end of the year."

Bowl Payout / Expenses

MAC $15,700,213 $4,108,580
Independents $7,872,485 $5,874,842
C-USA $7,020,983 $5,465,101
Sun Belt $6,850,200 $2,359,094
WAC $6,160,133 $1,059,173
Mountain West $5,709,267 $3,441,389

So how do the conferences split the bowl money revenue? I'm sure each does it differently but even so you take those numbers and subtract the expenses from the payouts and divide among 10-14 schools per conference it don't amount to a whole hell of a lot!

[CAS4127]

So how do the conferences split the bowl money revenue? I'm sure each does it differently but even so you take those numbers and subtract the expenses from the payouts and divide among 10-14 schools per conference it don't amount to a whole hell of a lot!

Really? Not what Lhorn claims above.

That's a lot of money!!!!


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[BisoninNWMN]

So how do the conferences split the bowl money revenue? I'm sure each does it differently but even so you take those numbers and subtract the expenses from the payouts and divide among 10-14 schools per conference it don't amount to a whole hell of a lot!

This here.

Gophers couldn't sell all of their tickets for their bowl game.

This year's Frisco game had at least 90-95% Bison fans. Wonder how many we would get to a bowl game? 5k? 10k? More?

[El_Chapo]

If NDSU played in the Orange Bowl in Florida in January there would be 20,000-25,000+

[BisoninNWMN]

If NDSU played in the Orange Bowl in Florida in January there would be 20,000-25,000+


If NDSU ever played in Florida in January, I would be there!!!

[td577]

There is really only one way this is going down. If there becomes a Division 4, everyone left out and FCS will form the new Division 1. They will utilize the existing FCS playoff system and it will become the true second tier, not the pseudo second tier and real third tier it is now. The schools like Georgia Southern will have spent a lot of money to be right back where they started. NDSU will be in the position to only expand up to where they need to. We will look like the true winners and true planners in the entire deal. So in the meantime the budgets can get thrown out and everyone can sit back and wait for Division 4. It will happen, it is just a matter of when.

[56BISON73]

There is really only one way this is going down. If there becomes a Division 4, everyone left out and FCS will form the new Division 1. They will utilize the existing FCS playoff system and it will become the true second tier, not the pseudo second tier and real third tier it is now. The schools like Georgia Southern will have spent a lot of money to be right back where they started. NDSU will be in the position to only expand up to where they need to. We will look like the true winners and true planners in the entire deal. So in the meantime the budgets can get thrown out and everyone can sit back and wait for Division 4. It will happen, it is just a matter of when.

No use jumping to a conference that might be in shambles after the realignment. Just a waste of money and resources . Just think where we would be if the wac attack yahoos had there way.

[El_Chapo]

Boise went from WAC to MWC right?

[td577]

No use jumping to a conference that might be in shambles after the realignment. Just a waste of money and resources . Just think where we would be if the wac attack yahoos had there way.

Exactly. When the realignment happens, those left over will be looking for who is left with the most stability and center around those programs. Because of its tradition and shrewd decision making, NDSU will be looked at as a leader. I feel NDSU will finally be in a position to not only be in an all sports conference, but will be one of the major players with a lot of say how that conference develops. Any premature movement now strips any leverage a future realignment will bring this institution.

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[unbison]

If NDSU played in the Orange Bowl in Florida in January there would be 20,000-25,000+
How many mac or Mwc teams have done this?
Well it looks like one....In almost 70 years of playing that game

[El_Chapo]

Or since 2007 in the most famous fiesta bowl ever?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=H1O7U5e_JIOxyASdhIKgBQ&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DBhuHuFbIFy4%26feature%3Dkp&cd=1&ved=0CB8QyCkwAA&usg=AFQjCNE5m1RzcEU7SwdAI9aceSLLaRUL3Q

[unbison]

You said orange bowl like it's a possibilty.... All the stars lined up for a mac team they put them in they got destroyed won't happen again

[Bisonator98]

There is really only one way this is going down. If there becomes a Division 4, everyone left out and FCS will form the new Division 1. They will utilize the existing FCS playoff system and it will become the true second tier, not the pseudo second tier and real third tier it is now. The schools like Georgia Southern will have spent a lot of money to be right back where they started. NDSU will be in the position to only expand up to where they need to. We will look like the true winners and true planners in the entire deal. So in the meantime the budgets can get thrown out and everyone can sit back and wait for Division 4. It will happen, it is just a matter of when.

This could happen but what if it doesn't? I mean if I was a P5 school why would I want to merge with FCS? Wouldn't they still feel above that even though they are on a sinking ship? They don't seem to want to add teams now why would they if a split happens?

[HerdBot]

cmon people, kabl1one and I are having a great conversation here with real facts, Great profit numbers have been posted, im sorry I saw an article about Big 12 FCS games from 3 days ago! and posted it in a relevant thread.

please, if you hate el chapo, please take a number at the prison door.

if 1980 doesnt post that message, this thread could stay on topic. Appreciate the help bisonville.

I enjoy the discussion. People get kind of pissy but it's because the care. Don't lock it! Lak, I mean El Chapo keep the discussion interesting. Why cant we just disagree without the rudeness

Besides WTF else is there to talk about in July

[Bisonator98]

I enjoy the discussion. People get kind of pissy but it's because the care. Don't lock it! Lak, I mean El Chapo keep the discussion interesting. Why cant we just disagree without the rudeness

Besides WTF else is there to talk about in July

Exactly. If people don't want to discuss then stop reading the thread.

[td577]

This could happen but what if it doesn't? I mean if I was a P5 school why would I want to merge with FCS? Wouldn't they still feel above that even though they are on a sinking ship? They don't seem to want to add teams now why would they if a split happens?

P5 schools will be D4, they aren't of any concern. That is the issue of realignment. They want away from the macs and wacs. It is the leftovers who will be trying to fill division 1 with who is left and FCS. FCS won't move as a division unless they are the ones who absorb the leftovers, not the other way around. It's already established.

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[Bisonator98]

P5 schools will be D4, they aren't of any concern. That is the issue of realignment. They want away from the macs and wacs. It is the leftovers who will be trying to fill division 1 with who is left and FCS. FCS won't move as a division unless they are the ones who absorb the leftovers, not the other way around. It's already established.

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Sorry I meant G5. Why would they have to fill anything?

[td577]

Sorry I meant G5. Why would they have to fill anything?

I think the NCAA would do everything it could to discourage 6 divisions.

The other side to all this is that the P5 won't work number wise without bringing a handful of g5 schools with. Then the g5 conferences will be fighting for NDSU.

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[Bisonator98]

I think the NCAA would do everything it could to discourage 6 divisions.

The other side to all this is that the P5 won't work number wise without bringing a handful of g5 schools with. Then the g5 conferences will be fighting for NDSU.

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The problem is these clowns don't want good schools with quality programs they want TV markets.

[MNLonghorn10]

Let's not post anything fbs worthy. I want to see how lively shitheads like 1980, b4l, nwmn and hail bison keep this place busy.

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[El_Chapo]

Deal. We can meet big daddy Kane at CF

[56BISON73]

Let's not post anything fbs worthy. I want to see how lively shitheads like 1980, b4l, nwmn and hail bison keep this place busy.

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Worthy? You first. :biggrin:

[ZHerd]

Deal. We can meet big daddy Kane at CF

You called him candy Kane and I think it hurt his feelings. He has given you the silent treatment

[Hail bison]

Worthy? You first. :biggrin:

At least you're not a shithead

[kab1one]

Thats a lot of money to be earned...and look at us wet our pants over a measly FBS paycheck+win on top of it one time a year.


appreciate the article chapo...its compelling as hell. Should make some people here think otherwise.

I actually find this article fascinating. I am a believer that schools generally lost money on the bowl games. But this appears that the schools make money. I will grant that premise. I will assume it is correct.

But look at mountain west revenue versus expenses. The revenues exceeded costs by 2.3 million. I will round to 2.4 million. Assume the positive cash is split evenly 2.4 million divided by 12 conference members or $200,000 per team.

So all things being equal, if NDSU was a MWC member, the move to FBS generates $200,000 from the bowl game. What is the cost of this? 22 mens FB scholarships and 22 women scholarships. What is a scholarship cost? 25,000 per year.

So we spend 1.1 million in additional scholarships to get a split of MWC net proceeds of $200,000.


I make the comment that all things being equal, since there has been no clear showing of new revenue sources with an FBS move. We already sell out the games. I don't know how much more revenue an FBS tv contract is worth. ND TV market isn't going to generate a big increase in TV revenue.

[Bison 4 Life]

At least you're not a shithead

Man. If that's what being a shithead is, I'm perfectly fine with that.

MNtshirtfan's derping is what took down the other thread, why not this one?


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[MNLonghorn10]

I actually find this article fascinating. I am a believer that schools generally lost money on the bowl games. But this appears that the schools make money. I will grant that premise. I will assume it is correct.

But look at mountain west revenue versus expenses. The revenues exceeded costs by 2.3 million. I will round to 2.4 million. Assume the positive cash is split evenly 2.4 million divided by 12 conference members or $200,000 per team.

So all things being equal, if NDSU was a MWC member, the move to FBS generates $200,000 from the bowl game. What is the cost of this? 22 mens FB scholarships and 22 women scholarships. What is a scholarship cost? 25,000 per year.

So we spend 1.1 million in additional scholarships to get a split of MWC net proceeds of $200,000.


I make the comment that all things being equal, since there has been no clear showing of new revenue sources with an FBS move. We already sell out the games. I don't know how much more revenue an FBS tv contract is worth. ND TV market isn't going to generate a big increase in TV revenue.
OK i have to go back on my word. You see how Hail and B4L added absolutely nothing to this thread. Get the fuck out. Please.


back on topic. I agree. TV contracts have got to be in the millions, no matter if your tuesday night wednesday night or whatever. I would think that would make up for loss ticket sales for a bowl game.

[kab1one]

OK i have to go back on my word. You see how Hail and B4L added absolutely nothing to this thread. Get the fuck out. Please.


back on topic. I agree. TV contracts have got to be in the millions, no matter if your tuesday night wednesday night or whatever. I would think that would make up for loss ticket sales for a bowl game.

Google knows all.

Team Current payout Possible payout
Air Force $300,000 $1.8 million
Boise State $1.1 million $2.1 million
Colorado State $0 $1 million
Fresno State $300,000 $1.8 million
Hawaii $0 $0
Nevada $300,000 $2.3 million
New Mexico $0 $1 million
San Diego State $300,000 $1.3 million
San Jose State $300,000 $.1.8 million
UNLV $0 $1.5 million
Utah State $300,000 $800,000
Wyoming $0 $1 million

These were the 2013 numbers for the MWC from ESPN. It was based on number of games televised.

Here is the article. http://www.mwcconnection.com/football-5/2013/9/2/4683428/revisiting-the-mountain-west-tv-deal-plus-payouts

I don't understand if there is additional CBS money as well. That comment regarding CBS is hard to understand.

[El_Chapo]

Would people stop with the "Tuesday or Wednesday" night games?
There was like 6 of them so every 4th year you might get 1 of those at home and that's ONLY the MAC so quit with that.

Yes NDSU with a FSN connection & Statewide TV would increase Mountain West TV reach and bring in revenues. Splitting up NCAA basketball money is the big revenue, like $2-3 million a year

[NDSUstudent]

Google knows all.

Team Current payout Possible payout
Air Force $300,000 $1.8 million
Boise State $1.1 million $2.1 million
Colorado State $0 $1 million
Fresno State $300,000 $1.8 million
Hawaii $0 $0
Nevada $300,000 $2.3 million
New Mexico $0 $1 million
San Diego State $300,000 $1.3 million
San Jose State $300,000 $.1.8 million
UNLV $0 $1.5 million
Utah State $300,000 $800,000
Wyoming $0 $1 million

These were the 2013 numbers for the MWC from ESPN. It was based on number of games televised.

Here is the article. http://www.mwcconnection.com/football-5/2013/9/2/4683428/revisiting-the-mountain-west-tv-deal-plus-payouts

I don't understand if there is additional CBS money as well. That comment regarding CBS is hard to understand.

The MWC has TV deals with three separate networks. ESPN, CBS and Root Sports, so there would be more money that is unaccounted for.

[kab1one]

Would people stop with the "Tuesday or Wednesday" night games?
There was like 6 of them so every 4th year you might get 1 of those at home and that's ONLY the MAC so quit with that.

Yes NDSU with a FSN connection & Statewide TV would increase Mountain West TV reach and bring in revenues. Splitting up NCAA basketball money is the big revenue, like $2-3 million a year

The attached is the type of document that has been asked for on this and other forums.

Has anyone done a study on cost to move up and what are the new revenues. This piece is interesting in that its about a school moving down from FBS and what the potential loss revenues would be.

The reason that makes it even more interested is the school that it relates too is Wyoming. It is 5 years old, so take that with a grain of salt.

http://www.uwyo.edu/accreditation/_files/docs/03_athletics_div_1a_response.pdf

Although it shows net addiitional revenues as an FBS school, I would ask, why the additional corporate sponsorships as FBS versus FCS, they give no rationale for that, and the other is in NDSU case, if FBS football, I believe we need more womens' scholarships, so that cost needs to be adding in.

If you do adjust for these two items it gets close to a push.

[kab1one]

The MWC has TV deals with three separate networks. ESPN, CBS and Root Sports, so there would be more money that is unaccounted for.

So that makes sense. If Wyoming doesn't get on ESPN, they would get $1 million from CBS.

THat is there TV. Boise State with more exposure could get 3 million.

[kab1one]

So that makes sense. If Wyoming doesn't get on ESPN, they would get $1 million from CBS.

THat is there TV. Boise State with more exposure could get 3 million.

MWC Deal. Includes both basket ball and Football. So about 1.5 million per year.
Brett McMurphy of ESPN reports that the Mountain West Conference is putting the final touches on a seven-year deal that should total about $18 million annually and about $116 million in all. Media rights will belong to both CBS (broadcast entirely on the CBS Sports Network) and ESPN. In total, 22 football games and 25 men's basketball games will be broadcast on ESPN, with six of those games being Boise State home football games.

[kab1one]

Good article of another school that much be having the same chat board discussion.
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/sports/college/ud/2014/04/24/tresolini-time-come-delaware-move-fbs/8125459/

[El_Chapo]

Straight Cash Homey

[BisoninNWMN]

Let's not post anything fbs worthy. I want to see how lively shitheads like 1980, b4l, nwmn and hail bison keep this place busy.

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I'm a pro-FBS supporter genius.

It is a good discussion.....w/o you in it.

[Bisonator98]

The attached is the type of document that has been asked for on this and other forums.

Has anyone done a study on cost to move up and what are the new revenues. This piece is interesting in that its about a school moving down from FBS and what the potential loss revenues would be.

The reason that makes it even more interested is the school that it relates too is Wyoming. It is 5 years old, so take that with a grain of salt.

http://www.uwyo.edu/accreditation/_files/docs/03_athletics_div_1a_response.pdf

Although it shows net addiitional revenues as an FBS school, I would ask, why the additional corporate sponsorships as FBS versus FCS, they give no rationale for that, and the other is in NDSU case, if FBS football, I believe we need more womens' scholarships, so that cost needs to be adding in.

If you do adjust for these two items it gets close to a push.

Thanks for that link. That's an interesting read. My question is what would those numbers look like for 2013-2014 since as you mentioned it's 5 years old and a lot can change from year to year. Also what's NDSU's average scholarship cost?

[kab1one]

Thanks for that link. That's an interesting read. My question is what would those numbers look like for 2013-2014 since as you mentioned it's 5 years old and a lot can change from year to year. Also what's NDSU's average scholarship cost?

More recent overview of James Madison review of moving to FBS. I am looking for the actual study they mention.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2013/10/21/should-james-madison-university-move-to-fbs/

[kab1one]

More recent overview of James Madison review of moving to FBS. I am looking for the actual study they mention.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2013/10/21/should-james-madison-university-move-to-fbs/

One more from James Madison. So they really don't know what is going to happen. This guy questions many of the variables in the James Madison report.

http://www.breezejmu.org/opinion/article_f7cf3e0a-4fed-11e3-a5d3-001a4bcf6878.html

Probably a pretty good summary. Its a crap shoot in regards to what is going to happen. You can try to project revenues and expenses all you want, but until it happens, you really don't know.

[El_Chapo]

if GSU, APPY ST, JMU all go, my gosh the FCS will be watered down. just look at the preseason top 20 poll, half of those schools are unrecognizable. There lies the problem imho

Georgia Southern's AD & president

Tom Kleinlein, the athletic director at Georgia Southern, says it doesn't matter.

"Go ask someone 100 miles from Statesboro how many national championships we won at the FCS level," he said. "No one knows."

Kleinlein pointed out that the lowest-rated bowl games still routinely garner higher ratings than the FCS national championship game.

Last season, only one bowl game was watched by fewer viewers than the FCS national championship game: the 2013 Heart of Dallas Bowl featuring Purdue against Oklahoma State. That game averaged 943,000 viewers, while the FCS championship game averaged 1.1 million.




So why reclassify?

"For me, at the end of the day, it's the exposure for our university and growing our university," said Kleinlein, referencing the increased opportunities to play other FBS schools and garner more television coverage.

Kleinlein said it's also not a decision rooted solely in football.

"For us, we're pretty good in some of our other sports. These other sports are constantly having to fight the battle of whether they're a Division I school because of the labeling and association of FBS football." There's also the concern that schools from the power conferences may no longer schedule FCS schools, a practice disappearing already in the Big Ten, eliminating hundreds of thousands (and sometimes more than a million) in revenue annually earned through guarantees. In addition, guarantees are generally larger for FBS schools than FCS.

Jeff Schemmel, a former athletic director and currently managing director of the college division at JMI Sports, thinks with the playoff on the horizon, now is the time to make the move up, because every conference in FBS will be making more money.

"The money is getting so big from the playoffs now it's clearly -- especially for a school with a budget of $7-8 million -- it's going to be a pretty nice little bump for those guys," Schemmel said.

[Bisonator98]

if GSU, APPY ST, JMU all go, my gosh the FCS will be watered down. just look at the preseason top 20 poll, half of those schools are unrecognizable. There lies the problem imho

JMU isn't going, at least not yet. GSU & App State are chasing dreams that are going to bring down their programs IMO. Their location is a real killer unlike a Boise State or NDSU they are surrounded by established FBS programs.

I'm way more concerned with the UM, MSU, UD type schools myself.

[Bison 4 Life]

Like I said. Ask the folks in Columbus about Akron, Toledo, and Youngstown. '

They are all the same to them. This "highest level" stuff is a fantasy. You can ignore that point all you want but it's true.

[kab1one]

Like I said. Ask the folks in Columbus about Akron, Toledo, and Youngstown. '

They are all the same to them. This "highest level" stuff is a fantasy. You can ignore that point all you want but it's true.

But are you comparing apples to apples when talking about Georgia Southern and App State's move up? Aside from FCS football what have you ever heard from these two schools? Zero, so they needed FBS football to get attention. As discussed on the other board, NDSU and the state has had more national media attention due to a litany of items. Football, Basketball, Softball, baseball, oil, LPGA golf and Fargo being trendy.

The question is with this back ground does FBS give NDSU and ND any more attention then it really gets. El Chapo, you are a worldly travel, how much do anyone know about ND outside of this trade area? How much do we know about App state and Georgia Southern? Nothing. So the FBS exposure for these schools has not helped in my opinion.

Being the top player in the smaller pond right now is probably generating more national attention than an FBS position for UMass, App State or Georgia state.

[gotts]

But are you comparing apples to apples when talking about Georgia Southern and App State's move up? Aside from FCS football what have you ever heard from these two schools? Zero, so they needed FBS football to get attention. As discussed on the other board, NDSU and the state has had more national media attention due to a litany of items. Football, Basketball, Softball, baseball, oil, LPGA golf and Fargo being trendy.

The question is with this back ground does FBS give NDSU and ND any more attention then it really gets. El Chapo, you are a worldly travel, how much do anyone know about ND outside of this trade area? How much do we know about App state and Georgia Southern? Nothing. So the FBS exposure for these schools has not helped in my opinion.

Being the top player in the smaller pond right now is probably generating more national attention than an FBS position for UMass, App State or Georgia state.

I very much agree with the bolded above.

[MNLonghorn10]

Why should we care what buckeye fans, of all people, think?

They're known to having the worst fans in all of the bcs. Lol.



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[Mayville Bison]

I actually find this article fascinating. I am a believer that schools generally lost money on the bowl games. But this appears that the schools make money. I will grant that premise. I will assume it is correct.

But look at mountain west revenue versus expenses. The revenues exceeded costs by 2.3 million. I will round to 2.4 million. Assume the positive cash is split evenly 2.4 million divided by 12 conference members or $200,000 per team.

So all things being equal, if NDSU was a MWC member, the move to FBS generates $200,000 from the bowl game. What is the cost of this? 22 mens FB scholarships and 22 women scholarships. What is a scholarship cost? 25,000 per year.

So we spend 1.1 million in additional scholarships to get a split of MWC net proceeds of $200,000.


I make the comment that all things being equal, since there has been no clear showing of new revenue sources with an FBS move. We already sell out the games. I don't know how much more revenue an FBS tv contract is worth. ND TV market isn't going to generate a big increase in TV revenue.

The article appears to be misleading as it appears the "Bowl Payout Received" isn't for the individual bowl games - that is the overall payout for the entire year. If you look at just the bowl games themselves, you don't see the same return.

Look at the WAC to see what I mean. They had 2 teams make a bowl game (Utah State and San Jose State). This netted them $236k in revenue (assuming a 50/50 split) or $118k/team. The article shows the WAC received $6M over the year. Assuming both teams spent more than $118k to go to their bowl games (article is showing $530k), Louisiana Tech at 9-3 that year made more money by not attending a bowl game.

[El_Chapo]

Bison 4 life and Kab1one.

Those schools that you deem "dont get anymore exposure nationally" are smack in the middle of Ohio & Georgia & West Virginia. Lots of other FBS schools around them.


NDSU has Minnesota Gophers and Wyoming to West and Wisconsin to East. NDSU is truly a Boise State in this model, not a GSU or APPY st. You need to understand that.

[Bison 4 Life]

Why should we care what buckeye fans, of all people, think?

They're known to having the worst fans in all of the bcs. Lol.



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Like I said, a bunch of t shirt fans but at least they actually ARE at the top level. That is reserved for less than 80 teams.


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[MNLonghorn10]

Like I said, a bunch of t shirt fans but at least they actually ARE at the top level. That is reserved for less than 80 teams.


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Fuck em. Shitstains of the college football landscape.



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[Bisonator98]

But are you comparing apples to apples when talking about Georgia Southern and App State's move up? Aside from FCS football what have you ever heard from these two schools? Zero, so they needed FBS football to get attention. As discussed on the other board, NDSU and the state has had more national media attention due to a litany of items. Football, Basketball, Softball, baseball, oil, LPGA golf and Fargo being trendy.

The question is with this back ground does FBS give NDSU and ND any more attention then it really gets. El Chapo, you are a worldly travel, how much do anyone know about ND outside of this trade area? How much do we know about App state and Georgia Southern? Nothing. So the FBS exposure for these schools has not helped in my opinion.

Being the top player in the smaller pond right now is probably generating more national attention than an FBS position for UMass, App State or Georgia state.

I agree but at some point you reach a ceiling. Is that exposure going to still be here in 5-10 years even if we keep winning at the FCS level? Like the old saying you're either green and growing or yellow and dying! Much like the move from D2 to FCS when is the right time? IMO we waited way too long last time.

[kab1one]

Bison 4 life and Kab1one.

Those schools that you deem "dont get anymore exposure nationally" are smack in the middle of Ohio & Georgia & West Virginia. Lots of other FBS schools around them.


NDSU has Minnesota Gophers and Wyoming to West and Wisconsin to East. NDSU is truly a Boise State in this model, not a GSU or APPY st. You need to understand that.


And you need to understand Fargo isn't Boise.

[El_Chapo]

the population of Boise at the 2010 Census was 205,671/
you're right if we take the DMA. however Boise is isolated like Fargo is. Thats what I meant kind sir.

[kab1one]

I agree but at some point you reach a ceiling. Is that exposure going to still be here in 5-10 years even if we keep winning at the FCS level? Like the old saying you're either green and growing or yellow and dying! Much like the move from D2 to FCS when is the right time? IMO we waited way too long last time.

I agree totally. As I noted, whether we realize it or not, these are the good old days. I have never seen this state get as much attention as we have. We are the cool kid on the block and its a cycle. There will be a new hot property somewhere and we will be old news.

Does FBS keep us in the forefront? I don't know, it gives us something to talk about during the summer.

[CAS4127]

I'll withhold judgment on the move until I see where the money to do so is for sure going to come from. Right now, it appears the 3 people promoting the move here don't even donate to TM's and haven't alluded to the fact that they will if we declare a move up. And the donations should start at declaration/transition time, not after we get there.

Show your support. Actaully, be sure to email the new AD that you are not yet a TM but you will become one the moment it is announced that NDSU is "exploring" the idea of move up.

In short, you guys might have more cred if you were current TM's actually.

[TransAmBison]

I'll withhold judgment on the move until I see where the money to do so is for sure going to come from. Right now, it appears the 3 people promoting the move here don't even donate to TM's and haven't alluded to the fact that they will if we declare a move up. And the donations should start at declaration/transition time, not after we get there.

Show your support. Actaully, be sure to email the new AD that you are not yet a TM but you will become one the moment it is announced that NDSU is "exploring" the idea of move up.

In short, you guys might have more cred if you were current TM's actually.++++++++++++++++++++

[BisoninNWMN]

I'll withhold judgment on the move until I see where the money to do so is for sure going to come from. Right now, it appears the 3 people promoting the move here don't even donate to TM's and haven't alluded to the fact that they will if we declare a move up. And the donations should start at declaration/transition time, not after we get there.

Show your support. Actaully, be sure to email the new AD that you are not yet a TM but you will become one the moment it is announced that NDSU is "exploring" the idea of move up.

In short, you guys might have more cred if you were current TM's actually.



Good post!!!!

[kab1one]

Good post!!!!

Making a $100 contribution to join team makers gives a person credibility how? There are many different ways to contribute to the program and university without Team Makers membership.

[NDSU1980]

Let's not post anything fbs worthy. I want to see how lively shitheads like 1980, b4l, nwmn and hail bison keep this place busy.

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I see you and El Clappo's word doesn't mean much. So much for you not talking about this. I'd say your promise to support an FBS move financially is equally bullshit. You too can run along and play. People that actually went to NDSU and graduated from there will decide our FBS fate.

[TransAmBison]

Making a $100 contribution to join team makers gives a person credibility how? There are many different ways to contribute to the program and university without Team Makers membership.It isn't being a Teammaker that gives credibility, it is the lack of that takes away credibility. There can always be exceptions...but there are always those that want to go on other people's money.

[CAS4127]

Making a $100 contribution to join team makers gives a person credibility how? There are many different ways to contribute to the program and university without Team Makers membership.

I guess for someone like you, who appears to be promoting the move up, and who not so subtley alludes to having money, donations in the 1000's of dollars is what I was assuming.

I guess I am not one of those people who expects and wants nice "stuff" but doesnt want to, nor think that I should have to, pay for it . . . but that's just me.

[Bison 4 Life]

I see you and El Clappo's word doesn't mean much. So much for you not talking about this. I'd say your promise to support an FBS move financially is equally bullshit. You too can run along and play. People that actually went to NDSU and graduated from there will decide our FBS fate.

If you got all the 30k millionaires and tshirt fans together, they could get the 20 million dollars together sometime before they die.

I mean per year.

[HerdBot]

I'll withhold judgment on the move until I see where the money to do so is for sure going to come from. Right now, it appears the 3 people promoting the move here don't even donate to TM's and haven't alluded to the fact that they will if we declare a move up. And the donations should start at declaration/transition time, not after we get there.

Show your support. Actaully, be sure to email the new AD that you are not yet a TM but you will become one the moment it is announced that NDSU is "exploring" the idea of move up.

In short, you guys might have more cred if you were current TM's actually.I agree. If you don't donate, the perception is your not as big of a supporter. In Lakes case he's obviously a supporter.

Lakes I would let the silly grudge you have with Teammakers go. The program is bigger than Simmers. In the grand scheme of things your donation won't make or break the program but it's the principle.

[Hail bison]

I agree. If you don't donate, the perception is your not as big of a supporter. In Lakes case he's obviously a supporter.

Lakes I would let the silly grudge you have with Teammakers go. The program is bigger than Simmers. In the grand scheme of things your donation won't make or break the program but it's the principle.

Very good ^^^^^

[kab1one]

I guess for someone like you, who appears to be promoting the move up, and who not so subtley alludes to having money, donations in the 1000's of dollars is what I was assuming.

I guess I am not one of those people who expects and wants nice "stuff" but doesnt want to, nor think that I should have to, pay for it . . . but that's just me.

I am no shape form or fashion am promoting the move up. I don't see the benefit today, the landscape There are to many unknowns today and until the power conferences shake out it is hard to plan for the unknown. The idea of a move up to a conference or division that make not exists is very hard to do and plan for.

But what you can do is work on other ways to grow the program. Competitively and financially. All the financial growth mechanisms that are needed to preform at a higher level can be captured today. You view the financial side growing through team makers and membership in an end all. You grow the program thought team makers. I say there are other means to grow not only the sports program, but the NDSU threshold as a hold. They go hand in hand. A strong, high profile university helps the football program as much as a strong football program helps the university. Look an hour north. The whole logo controversary has harmed the UND brand. NDSU has been the opposite, growth in academics, research, sports. It all ties in hand and hand.

So contributing to the University through other means can help the athletic programs.

At the end of the day, its the same institution and both side(s), academics, research and sports all work together to build the brand.

[CAS4127]

I am no shape form or fashion am promoting the move up. I don't see the benefit today, the landscape There are to many unknowns today and until the power conferences shake out it is hard to plan for the unknown. The idea of a move up to a conference or division that make not exists is very hard to do and plan for.

But what you can do is work on other ways to grow the program. Competitively and financially. All the financial growth mechanisms that are needed to preform at a higher level can be captured today. You view the financial side growing through team makers and membership in an end all. You grow the program thought team makers. I say there are other means to grow not only the sports program, but the NDSU threshold as a hold. They go hand in hand. A strong, high profile university helps the football program as much as a strong football program helps the university. Look an hour north. The whole logo controversary has harmed the UND brand. NDSU has been the opposite, growth in academics, research, sports. It all ties in hand and hand.

So contributing to the University through other means can help the athletic programs.

At the end of the day, its the same institution and both side(s), academics, research and sports all work together to build the brand.

Actaully, you are incorrect relative to my "views", but I agree with some of your points, and dont understand others. You see, I donate to other programs at NDSU as well, not just TM's. So, my question to you is, what's preventing you from doing that, other than not being asked personally (btw, I was never approached personally by TM's, and I would guess the vast, vast majority here on BV who are TM's were never approached personally nor wined and dined to join)?

[MNLonghorn10]

I see you and El Clappo's word doesn't mean much. So much for you not talking about this. I'd say your promise to support an FBS move financially is equally bullshit. You too can run along and play. People that actually went to NDSU and graduated from there will decide our FBS fate.

Better hire within then!

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[BisoninNWMN]

Making a $100 contribution to join team makers gives a person credibility how? There are many different ways to contribute to the program and university without Team Makers membership.



Like I said...it was a good post!

[El_Chapo]

Making a $100 contribution to join team makers gives a person credibility how? There are many different ways to contribute to the program and university without Team Makers membership.

Absolutely, I am buying basketball & football season tickets and YES i will donate and join when NDSU stops playing und in all sports based on their racism and NDSU goes FBS!

NDSU1980 "People that actually went to NDSU and graduated from there will decide our FBS fate. "

YES I did and YES i did. ^^^^

[kab1one]

Actaully, you are incorrect relative to my "views", but I agree with some of your points, and dont understand others. You see, I donate to other programs at NDSU as well, not just TM's. So, my question to you is, what's preventing you from doing that, other than not being asked personally (btw, I was never approached personally by TM's, and I would guess the vast, vast majority here on BV who are TM's were never approached personally nor wined and dined to join)?

How many times have I indicated, there are other avenues to contribute without Team Makers membership. Your view is very back and white. Join Team Makers. I participate in the Bison Open. Bring a foursome, who gets that money? I attend the Bison Bidders bowl, eat, drink and hang out. Where did the $300,000 raised that evening go?

The concept me being asked personally has actually become a talking point at from a fundraising perspective because that issue has come up time and time again amongst many alumni are not contacted. And its not being contacted for athletic department giving, but contributions as a whole. So the fact I join TM, am contacted by TM or the development foundation, college that I graduated from really isn't the issue at all. The entire process will probably be examined.

[aces1180]

Absolutely, I am buying basketball & football season tickets and YES i will donate and join when NDSU stops playing und in all sports based on their racism and NDSU goes FBS!

NDSU1980 "People that actually went to NDSU and graduated from there will decide our FBS fate. "

YES I did and YES i did. ^^^^

So you are saying never?

[TransAmBison]

Absolutely, I am buying basketball & football season tickets and YES i will donate and join when NDSU stops playing und in all sports based on their racism and NDSU goes FBS!So in other words, "Never."

[El_Chapo]

Oh you guys! your not reading the el chapo subliminal messages, do i need to send you new decoder rings?

[MNLonghorn10]

So you are saying never?


So in other words, "Never."
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[CAS4127]

How many times have I indicated, there are other avenues to contribute without Team Makers membership. Your view is very back and white. Join Team Makers. I participate in the Bison Open. Bring a foursome, who gets that money? I attend the Bison Bidders bowl, eat, drink and hang out. Where did the $300,000 raised that evening go?

The concept me being asked personally has actually become a talking point at from a fundraising perspective because that issue has come up time and time again amongst many alumni are not contacted. And its not being contacted for athletic department giving, but contributions as a whole. So the fact I join TM, am contacted by TM or the development foundation, college that I graduated from really isn't the issue at all. The entire process will probably be examined.

I guess I just don't understand the concept of needing to be contacted personally/directly if one already knows of TM's and other avenues of contributing, like the Alumni Foundation for example. It just baffles me. You know those avenues exist, yet will not take any initiative to donate?! I just don't get that way/manner of thinking.

Also, are there really alumni who don't know about TM's, the Alumni Foundation and other areas of giving to NDSU. If so, they must either be apathetic, clueless, lazy or a combination of those three things. I just don't get it.

Oh, and if you are involved in the TM golf outings and the Bidder's Bowl, which is hosted by the Alumni Foundation, why the hell are you not otherwise donating, especially when there is more of a tax deduction available AND, from what I gather from your posts, you are some sort of money manager/advisor?!

When something is just too difficult to understand/comprehend for me, I step back and tell myself there is something missing . . . and there is definitely something missing here with your story position.

[TransAmBison]

http://replygif.net/i/1419.gifIsn't it nap time? (Adults* are talking)









*Did I just call Lakes an adult?**
**Well, at least he is my elder...

[TransAmBison]

Oh you guys! your not reading the el chapo subliminal messages, do i need to send you new decoder rings?Better get me a ring :)

[kab1one]

I guess I just don't understand the concept of needing to be contacted personally/directly if one already knows of TM's and other avenues of contributing, like the Alumni Foundation for example. It just baffles me. You know those avenues exist, yet will not take any initiative to donate?! I just don't get that way/manner of thinking.

Also, are there really alumni who don't know about TM's, the Alumni Foundation and other areas of giving to NDSU. If so, they must either be apathetic, clueless, lazy or a combination of those three things. I just don't get it.

Oh, and if you are involved in the TM golf outings and the Bidder's Bowl, which is hosted by the Alumni Foundation, why the hell are you not otherwise donating, especially when there is more of a tax deduction available AND, from what I gather from your posts, you are some sort of money manager/advisor?!

When something is just too difficult to understand/comprehend for me, I step back and tell myself there is something missing . . . and there is definitely something missing here with your story position.

What you are missing, is I do contribute, donations are made, but not through Team Makers. My question and what I don't understand is why do you need to be a member of TM to be deemed a supporter? Need to know the secret handshake?

As for what I do? I structure deals. One component is tax implications. So if a deal can be done in a more tax effective manner, that is what I strive for. No different than gifting. You can gift and take your deduction and get some benefit. You can also structure a gift and get the state/federal government fund the gift with deductions/tax credits and potentially have the government fund your gift. Planning that other schools in the area seem to do much better than NDSU.

[CivilBison96]

I guess I just don't understand the concept of needing to be contacted personally/directly if one already knows of TM's and other avenues of contributing, like the Alumni Foundation for example. It just baffles me. You know those avenues exist, yet will not take any initiative to donate?! I just don't get that way/manner of thinking.

Also, are there really alumni who don't know about TM's, the Alumni Foundation and other areas of giving to NDSU. If so, they must either be apathetic, clueless, lazy or a combination of those three things. I just don't get it.

Oh, and if you are involved in the TM golf outings and the Bidder's Bowl, which is hosted by the Alumni Foundation, why the hell are you not otherwise donating, especially when there is more of a tax deduction available AND, from what I gather from your posts, you are some sort of money manager/advisor?!

When something is just too difficult to understand/comprehend for me, I step back and tell myself there is something missing . . . and there is definitely something missing here with your story position.

I can guarantee you that if you donate once on your own from that time forward that they WILL contact you personally. (this is directed at kab1one, not CAS. just used his statement to quote)

[El_Chapo]

Beyonce . . .

kab1one " As for what I do? I structure deals. One component is tax implications. So if a deal can be done in a more tax effective manner, that is what I strive for. No different than gifting. You can gift and take your deduction and get some benefit. You can also structure a gift and get the state/federal government fund the gift with deductions/tax credits and potentially have the government fund your gift. Planning that other schools in the area seem to do much better than NDSU"

sounds like Kab1one needs to be the Exec Director of Teammakers! he's got my vote

[CAS4127]

What you are missing, is I do contribute, donations are made, but not through Team Makers. My question and what I don't understand is why do you need to be a member of TM to be deemed a supporter? Need to know the secret handshake?

As for what I do? I structure deals. One component is tax implications. So if a deal can be done in a more tax effective manner, that is what I strive for. No different than gifting. You can gift and take your deduction and get some benefit. You can also structure a gift and get the state/federal government fund the gift with deductions/tax credits and potentially have the government fund your gift. Planning that other schools in the area seem to do much better than NDSU.

This is becoming a moving target, as a couple months ago you were basically bragging how wealthy you and your tailgate crew members are/were, yet were not TM's because you had not been approached personally, wined and dined, etc., whatever. I'm starting to wonder if the money really is there frankly.

Also, you pretty much emphasized my point about a tax deduction relative to a TM donation and or Alumni Foundation ... but you participate in the golf outing and attend the Bidder's Bowl . . .

I think I am done on this subject for a while. Just too frustrating when it's obvious to me you are not coming clean on something, and, resultantly, things just don't ad up/make sense.

[CAS4127]

I can guarantee you that if you donate once on your own from that time forward that they WILL contact you personally. (this is directed at kab1one, not CAS. just used his statement to quote)

Right. Also, am I the only alumni privileged enough to get 10-15 letters a year from NDSU (not to mention emails) asking for money for this or that?!

Find that difficult to believe.

[NorthernBison]

This is becoming a moving target, as a couple months ago you were basically bragging how wealthy you and your tailgate crew members are/were, yet were not TM's because you had not been approached personally, wined and dined, etc., whatever. I'm starting to wonder if the money really is there frankly.

Also, you pretty much emphasized my point about a tax deduction relative to a TM donation and or Alumni Foundation ... but you participate in the golf outing and attend the Bidder's Bowl . . .

I think I am done on this subject for a while. Just too frustrating when it's obvious to me you are not coming clean on something, and, resultantly, things just don't ad up/make sense.

Definitely failing the smell test. You detected the tap dance too.

[TransAmBison]

This is becoming a moving target, as a couple months ago you were basically bragging how wealthy you and your tailgate crew members are/were, yet were not TM's because you had not been approached personally, wined and dined, etc., whatever. I'm starting to wonder if the money really is there frankly.

Also, you pretty much emphasized my point about a tax deduction relative to a TM donation and or Alumni Foundation ... but you participate in the golf outing and attend the Bidder's Bowl . . .

I think I am done on this subject for a while. Just too frustrating when it's obvious to me you are not coming clean on something, and, resultantly, things just don't ad up/make sense.
If you were good like those lawyers on tv you could wrap this up in an hour!

[kab1one]

This is becoming a moving target, as a couple months ago you were basically bragging how wealthy you and your tailgate crew members are/were, yet were not TM's because you had not been approached personally, wined and dined, etc., whatever. I'm starting to wonder if the money really is there frankly.

Also, you pretty much emphasized my point about a tax deduction relative to a TM donation and or Alumni Foundation ... but you participate in the golf outing and attend the Bidder's Bowl . . .

I think I am done on this subject for a while. Just too frustrating when it's obvious to me you are not coming clean on something, and, resultantly, things just don't ad up/make sense.

Actually, if you go back to the original post, it was a group of 5 alumni all about the same age, all either business owners, company presidents all probably in the same income range. The discussion turned to giving to NDSU. One of the people at the table is on the alumni board. What do we give to the university and are we Teammakers. All of tailgate, attend games, been to Fricso. The consensus, this group did not give major gifts (this is relative term, they could be comparing what they give NDSU to other organizations) but one of the items discussed at this table with NDSU fundraising. The person at the table that was on the alumni board indicated that President Buschini (spelling) just discussed this issue with board. There is an opportunity with donors that is being missed.

So the whole discussion has revolved around my joining TM and having creditlity. As I have said. NDSU students call in the fall. Mr. Smith you have given $500 a year for the past 8 years, would you give $500 more? Sure.

I get my letter from the NDSU Development foundation and send in another gift. Bison Open, Bison Bidders Bowl, all the NDSU stuff I have purchased through the years, all supports NDSU in some for or fashion. But whether its me or alumni like me there is a disconnect with NDSU funding.

And this is actually pretty easily qualified. You have UND that has an endowment 3 times the size of NDSU, and Concordia's 3/4 the size of NDSU's, NDSU is behind the curve. The brand is hot, they need to take advantage of it.

[BisonTeacher]

If you were good like those lawyers on tv you could wrap this up in an hour!

Lol...can we start calling CAS Mattlock?

[BYZEN]

If you were good like those lawyers on tv you could wrap this up in an hour!

Since you mention it, doesn't cas usually sum it up in a 15 to 30 second sound-bite? :hide:

[CAS4127]

Since you mention it, doesn't cas usually sum it up in a 15 to 30 second sound-bite? :hide:

Anyone who wears a big bird coat is guilty til proven innocent!!

How's that?!

Off to dentist now. It was either that or debating with kab1one or whatever it's called. Pretty sure there is gonna be drilling involved to, but I'm still going with it!


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[Hail bison]

Lol...can we start calling CAS Mattlock?

Mattock is not badass enough. I'd say Denny Crane

[TransAmBison]

Mattock is not badass enough. I'd say Denny CraneMore like a Saul Goodman...

[kab1one]

CAS, let me ask this question.

Does the 10-15 letters and e mails you get from NDSU lead to more giving? Whether you answer doesn't matter, it raises the question whether this is an effective means of fundraising. What do the marketing folks say 1-2% of mass mailings are responded to.

Vice versa, this approach, a phone, Mr. CAS, would you like to sit down and discuss what NDSU is planning on doing near term and long term and how you can help.

Obviously, you are in the know, you know what the university is striving to do in the near future. But a lot of people aren't. So many may get the mailings and not even consider anything. That is where other approaches are necessary.

[CAS4127]

Mattock is not badass enough. I'd say Denny Crane

Ironside Biaatches!!

I'll be on touch later Kab1.


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[roadwarrior]

I think the NDSU Development Foundation has not done enough in the past. They now have a new man in charge. Will that lead to big changes ahead? That's the big question.

I am a North Dakota resident. I will pay no state income tax this year or in any future years (unless they repeal the current law) because of the 40% tax credit given for contributions to endowment funds. There are probably not a lot of people that know about this tax credit. Example: $5,000 gift. Itemized deduction saves $1,400 on federal taxes and the ND credit saves $2,000 on state taxes. Net cost of gift: $1,600

[kab1one]

I think the NDSU Development Foundation has not done enough in the past. They now have a new man in charge. Will that lead to big changes ahead? That's the big question.

I am a North Dakota resident. I will pay no state income tax this year or in any future years (unless they repeal the current law) because of the 40% tax credit given for contributions to endowment funds. There are probably not a lot of people that know about this tax credit. Example: $5,000 gift. Itemized deduction saves $1,400 on federal taxes and the ND credit saves $2,000 on state taxes. Net cost of gift: $1,600

Let's take it a step further and gift appreciate stock. The tax on the gain, you would pay is eliminated, thus making the gift Zero in some unique cases, you actually get more than you put in.

Land, that has been owned for a long period of time has the same effect as appreciated stock.

And I think I am right on this unless they have changed it, but you have to do this endowment gift through the Development Foundation, the athletic department wasn't able to facilitate this plan. This may have changed.

[roadwarrior]

Yes, appreciated stock and land is even a better deal.

All of my non-Teammaker gifts to the athletic department have been/are being done through the Development Foundation. Amy Ruley and Jack Maughn are raising money for the athletic department, but all of those funds are directed through the foundation.

[westnodak93bison]

I think the NDSU Development Foundation has not done enough in the past. They now have a new man in charge. Will that lead to big changes ahead? That's the big question.

I am a North Dakota resident. I will pay no state income tax this year or in any future years (unless they repeal the current law) because of the 40% tax credit given for contributions to endowment funds. There are probably not a lot of people that know about this tax credit. Example: $5,000 gift. Itemized deduction saves $1,400 on federal taxes and the ND credit saves $2,000 on state taxes. Net cost of gift: $1,600
I doubt this is common knowledge but should be.

[HerdBot]

CAS, let me ask this question.

Does the 10-15 letters and e mails you get from NDSU lead to more giving? Whether you answer doesn't matter, it raises the question whether this is an effective means of fundraising. What do the marketing folks say 1-2% of mass mailings are responded to.

Vice versa, this approach, a phone, Mr. CAS, would you like to sit down and discuss what NDSU is planning on doing near term and long term and how you can help.

Obviously, you are in the know, you know what the university is striving to do in the near future. But a lot of people aren't. So many may get the mailings and not even consider anything. That is where other approaches are necessary.

1 to 2% return on Direct mail is pretty typical. Phone calls same thing. It's about creating as many touch points as possible. I think need to continue with those but try some more Web based stuff. Procure some cool videos that inspire people. Paint a picture of the future

[tjamz]

Also, are there really alumni who don't know about TM's, the Alumni Foundation and other areas of giving to NDSU. If so, they must either be apathetic, clueless, lazy or a combination of those three things. I just don't get it.

Surprisingly yes. My brother in law graduated from NDSU in 2005. Just this last weekend he and I were drinking beer with 6 of his friends (also all NDSU grads at the same time as him) and I brought up how I need to contribute to Team Makers. In unison they ALL asked me "What is Team Makers". They all knew about Alumni Foundation and some contributed to that already but most were absolutely shocked that an organization such as TM even existed when I explained what they do.

[kab1one]

I think the NDSU Development Foundation has not done enough in the past. They now have a new man in charge. Will that lead to big changes ahead? That's the big question.

I am a North Dakota resident. I will pay no state income tax this year or in any future years (unless they repeal the current law) because of the 40% tax credit given for contributions to endowment funds. There are probably not a lot of people that know about this tax credit. Example: $5,000 gift. Itemized deduction saves $1,400 on federal taxes and the ND credit saves $2,000 on state taxes. Net cost of gift: $1,600

I actually hear they want to make this plan more tax advantageous to the donor. The charities typically need donations to operate currently, and most do not have endowments set up in which only the earnings from the endowment can be used for the charitable purposes. So what you see is conflict within the organizations on how they want the money to come in. Charity want it in the general fund, donor's want the credits. So for many non profits they don't push. NDSU has the same issues. Teammakers wants the funds to fund current operations, whereas the development foundation will look to fund the growth of the endowment, which is one of their missions.

Since this not being used to the extent as originally thought, it has been proposed to actually increase the credit to entice donors to fund endowments versus current operating obligations. North Dakota has had a recent history with tax credits for charitable contributions to certain sectors that are a larger benefit than the current endowment tax credit program. Specifically the Housing Incentive fund, ND gives a 100% credit if you donate to that.

So potentially going forward, this may become a more utilized tool for both the donor and the beneficiary.

[NDSU1980]

If you were good like those lawyers on tv you could wrap this up in an hour!

But you have to consider the shifty law school that gave him his degree.

[Da Bison]

Anyone who wears a big bird coat is guilty til proven innocent!!

How's that?!

Off to dentist now. It was either that or debating with kab1one or whatever it's called. Pretty sure there is gonna be drilling involved to, but I'm still going with it!


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So you are saying you would rather have a root canal than continue debating kab1one.............:hide:

[ZHerd]

Surprisingly yes. My brother in law graduated from NDSU in 2005. Just this last weekend he and I were drinking beer with 6 of his friends (also all NDSU grads at the same time as him) and I brought up how I need to contribute to Team Makers. In unison they ALL asked me "What is Team Makers". They all knew about Alumni Foundation and some contributed to that already but most were absolutely shocked that an organization such as TM even existed when I explained what they do.

Actually not too surprising. You hear much about TM on Bisonville and word of mouth etc. but many Bison fans (people I know that go to games etc.) have never heard of Bisonville.

[BisonTeacher]

Surprisingly yes. My brother in law graduated from NDSU in 2005. Just this last weekend he and I were drinking beer with 6 of his friends (also all NDSU grads at the same time as him) and I brought up how I need to contribute to Team Makers. In unison they ALL asked me "What is Team Makers". They all knew about Alumni Foundation and some contributed to that already but most were absolutely shocked that an organization such as TM even existed when I explained what they do.

Have these people ever been to a football game? Teammakers raffle...teammakers jackets. Not know what it is i can buy. Never heard of it???? Not so much.

[tjamz]

Have these people ever been to a football game? Teammakers raffle...teammakers jackets. Not know what it is i can buy. Never heard of it???? Not so much.
Same thing I said. They knew of the 50/50 raffle but not who sponsored it. As for jackets, I don't know that I recall one. I'm sure I've seen one, just never paid attention to them to know what they look like.

And yes, they go to a fair amount of games, at least 3 or 4 per year.

[Gully]

Surprisingly yes. My brother in law graduated from NDSU in 2005. Just this last weekend he and I were drinking beer with 6 of his friends (also all NDSU grads at the same time as him) and I brought up how I need to contribute to Team Makers. In unison they ALL asked me "What is Team Makers". They all knew about Alumni Foundation and some contributed to that already but most were absolutely shocked that an organization such as TM even existed when I explained what they do.

I'm sure what you're saying is truthfull, but I just cannot understand how that could be. Within months of enrolling as a freshman at NDSU I was aware of TMs. If you have any interest in athletics, I just cannot see how you could miss hearing about TMs.

[Gully]

Yes, appreciated stock and land is even a better deal.

All of my non-Teammaker gifts to the athletic department have been/are being done through the Development Foundation. Amy Ruley and Jack Maughn are raising money for the athletic department, but all of those funds are directed through the foundation.

Great points Road. I'm sure many people are not aware of this.

[56BISON73]

Actually not too surprising. You hear much about TM on Bisonville and word of mouth etc. but many Bison fans (people I know that go to games etc.) have never heard of Bisonville.

Whats funny is when I meet some Bison fans Ive never met before I usually ask if they are on BV. Many have never heard of it. Those that have the majority thinks its mostly whack jobs plus other colorful descriptions that post there .. Players parents are very descriptive.

Considering BV represents a very small percentage of the Bison fan base it really doesnt surprise me many havent heard of BV. What does surprise me is the many fans who never heard about TM or those that have think its just for the wealthy and have no clue what it actually does.

[Gully]

Whats funny is when I meet some Bison fans Ive never met before I usually ask if they are on BV. Many have never heard of it. Those that have the majority thinks its mostly whack jobs plus other colorful descriptions that post there .. Players parents are very descriptive.

Considering BV represents a very small percentage of the Bison fan base it really doesnt surprise me many havent heard of BV. What does surprise me is the many fans who never heard about TM or those that have think its just for the wealthy and have no clue what it actually does.

^^^^^^^^This

[td577]

I've been invited out by Pat for drinks to talk about expanding my TM membership and I don't even really have a job

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[td577]

About moving up. There is no need to rush anything. If realignment happens, it will be sooner rather than later. NDSU is in a perfect position to fill gaps left by working the numbers.

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[Hail bison]

Whats funny is when I meet some Bison fans Ive never met before I usually ask if they are on BV. Many have never heard of it. Those that have the majority thinks its mostly whack jobs plus other colorful descriptions that post there .. Players parents are very descriptive.

Considering BV represents a very small percentage of the Bison fan base it really doesnt surprise me many havent heard of BV. What does surprise me is the many fans who never heard about TM or those that have think its just for the wealthy and have no clue what it actually does.

I know two very wealthy men and their families who have tickets in the end zone with no dues. I asked both of them if they contribute to TM and got a blank stare. Sure they knew there was a TM, but it never occurred to them to donate. Both are there for the tailgating and socializing. Anyone here is a die hard and follows every aspect of the program closely. Many in the stands don't.

[scottietohottie]

Well I've been a die hard bison fan for a very long time and have known about tm for a long time as well because they have the good seats for season tickets. I was visiting with a former bison football player this winter and he said Scottie you must be on bv what's your name and I said wtf is bv. It totally blew my mind I love it!

[ZHerd]

Whats funny is when I meet some Bison fans Ive never met before I usually ask if they are on BV. Many have never heard of it. Those that have the majority thinks its mostly whack jobs plus other colorful descriptions that post there .. Players parents are very descriptive.

Considering BV represents a very small percentage of the Bison fan base it really doesnt surprise me many havent heard of BV. What does surprise me is the many fans who never heard about TM or those that have think its just for the wealthy and have no clue what it actually does.

Ha, ya I would never judge a fanbase by forum posters. Forums are a bit more extreme type of fan turf and often aren't hospitable places for casual fans unfamiliar with them, and new posters are often a bit naive and post things that illicit responses that leave them flustered. Bisonville isn't perfect but after having sifted through many different forums (FBS and FCS) imo this is a pretty solid forum...good info and fun fan discussion...at times. Props to SamsRams, Burgandy, Herdbot and others that actually post the meaningful team related info.

[scottietohottie]

The thing that bothers me about tm is that every bison game I go to I can see blue empty seats in tm sections while the north end zone is packed from top to bottom. Maybe tm just party harder and don't make it to game or maybe tm are just so rich they right off season tickets I don't know came here to learn. Last year at homecoming my wife didn't go to game I called her at halftime and she said is it crazy there I said shit half the dome is empty she came unglued are you even at the dam game they just said on TV it was a record crowd. I said honey there is a lot of blue seats but they must count tickets sold not who walks through door. She still thinks I was at northern all day!

[scottietohottie]

I'm not trying to offend tm people but in the north end zone I'm surrounded by alumni that aren't tm. Does anybody know what percentage of season tickets holders is also tm members for FBS schools? Will all the Iowa state fans at the game also be tm?

[56BISON73]

I'm not trying to offend tm people but in the north end zone I'm surrounded by alumni that aren't tm. Does anybody know what percentage of season tickets holders is also tm members for FBS schools? Will all the Iowa state fans at the game also be tm?

If they got their tix through NDSU then yes. If they went secondary market who knows if they are TM or not.

[scottietohottie]

I'm not asking if the bison fans are tm I know the crazy guys at away games are tm. I'm asking what is the norm for FBS schools are the Iowa state fans that have season tickets all donating extra money to athletics for their school like a bison tm would do?

[56BISON73]

I'm not asking if the bison fans are tm I know the crazy guys at away games are tm. I'm asking what is the norm for FBS schools are the Iowa state fans that have season tickets all donating extra money to athletics for their school like a bison tm would do?

Yes............. But a VERY small percentage might not have to depending on the school.

[scottietohottie]

Yes............. But a VERY small percentage might not have to depending on the school.
Thanks I guess NDSU better start working on getting more tm then if they want to go FBS.

[56BISON73]

Thanks I guess NDSU better start working on getting more tm then if they want to go FBS.

For many schools its all based on giving/priority points accumulated. For example at Iowa if you want to sit on the 50 its going to cost you 600 per seat plus the cost of season tickets. next section over 400 per seat plus. the next section 200 per seat plus. But you must have enough points first before you can try and purchase the seats.

You must also understand what the mission of TM is. Its not to fund a move to FBS. There mission is to provide scholarships to Bison student athletes.

[HerdBot]

I think we're being kind of harsh on teammakers. Bottom line is they have grown by leaps and bounds. Not only that they have helped pay for things like the new turf practice field. They are in a tough spot. They have to keep the dedicated long term donors happy while trying to grow with no tickets to sell. Is it TM'S fault we have outgrown the dome?

My only gripe is every single ticket in the dome should have some sort of teammakers dues tied to it. They should also look for other revenue streams, most notably basketball. The tailgating lot is a good starting point

[Tatanka]

My only gripe is every single ticket in the dome should have some sort of teammakers dues tied to it. They should also look for other revenue streams, most notably basketball. The tailgating lot is a good starting point


Agreed. The season ticket renewal form I received suggested they are on the path to doing just that, and IMHO they're doing it the right way.

[scottietohottie]

I'm not bashing teammakers. I just think a lot of people sitting in north end zone don't know much about it and a lot of them are alumni. I'm not but like my season tickets well enough to join tm. I also think one or two mediocre years and the north end zone will be empty again. I used to go buy tickets game day and usually get really good seats that has changed.

[56BISON73]

I think we're being kind of harsh on teammakers. Bottom line is they have grown by leaps and bounds. Not only that they have helped pay for things like the new turf practice field. They are in a tough spot. They have to keep the dedicated long term donors happy while trying to grow with no tickets to sell. Is it TM'S fault we have outgrown the dome?

My only gripe is every single ticket in the dome should have some sort of teammakers dues tied to it. They should also look for other revenue streams, most notably basketball. The tailgating lot is a good starting point

That has been proposed but a few didnt like the idea at the time. They thought it would alienate some fans. Slowly but surely you will see some price increases for the non TM sections.

[scottietohottie]

So should the none tm season ticket holders have to give their tickets up to tm on the waiting list or will they have a chance to join tm to keep tickets? When I go on line and login to ticket account I see I have some preference points but sure their are some teammakers with out tickets with more preference points then me. Who deserves tickets then? I'm probably just going to join anyways but just saying no matter what happens not going to be fair to some one just hope it's not me.

[CAS4127]

Thanks I guess NDSU better start working on getting more tm then if they want to go FBS.

AND BOOM!! This has been my point of discussion with kab1one. Support directly NDSU athletics via direct donation to TM's.


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[56BISON73]

So should the none tm season ticket holders have to give their tickets up to tm on the waiting list or will they have a chance to join tm to keep tickets? When I go on line and login to ticket account I see I have some preference points but sure their are some teammakers with out tickets with more preference points then me. Who deserves tickets then? I'm probably just going to join anyways but just saying no matter what happens not going to be fair to some one just hope it's not me.

If you already have tickets you wont be moved out just because somebody hase more points. Now Iowa just reseated everyone based on there points. Those with the most points got first pick of where they wanted to sit. Many took the 50 but and equal amount took endzone seats. I dont know if NDSU will ever do that but its always a possibility.

[HerdBot]

I'm not bashing teammakers. I just think a lot of people sitting in north end zone don't know much about it and a lot of them are alumni. I'm not but like my season tickets well enough to join tm. I also think one or two mediocre years and the north end zone will be empty again. I used to go buy tickets game day and usually get really good seats that has changed.

Tailgating has gotten so big that even with a few down seasons, demand will be high. We had high season tickets totals even following the 6-5 and 3-8 seasons. Attendance was solid in 2010 and the average was misleading with the thanksgiving week end playoff game. It's an all day event now

[scottietohottie]

Tailgating has gotten so big that even with a few down seasons, demand will be high. We had high season tickets totals even following the 6-5 and 3-8 seasons. Attendance was solid in 2010 and the average was misleading with the thanksgiving week end playoff game. It's an all day event now

I've had season tickets since 08 so I know there is some demand for tickets but there is also a lot of people that tailgate that have no intention of going to the game. I've had an extra ticket a time or to and couldn't find anyone in tailgate crew to use it they would rather keep drinking. When I log on to my ticket account it says I'm 4721 out of 49950. Does this mean that there is 49950 people trying to get tickets and don't you have to buy two tickets at a time? If so the fargodome should be expanded to hold 80,000! Can you join tm through ticket account it says donations on the site but couldn't figure out how to donate?

[Gully]

If you already have tickets you wont be moved out just because somebody hase more points. Now Iowa just reseated everyone based on there points. Those with the most points got first pick of where they wanted to sit. Many took the 50 but and equal amount took endzone seats. I dont know if NDSU will ever do that but its always a possibility.

NDSU did this when they moved into the dome. I'm not sure if they will do it again or not but there are some people sitting within a few feet of each other paying drastically different amount.

[roadwarrior]

When I log on to my ticket account it says I'm 4721 out of 49950. Does this mean that there is 49950 people trying to get tickets and don't you have to buy two tickets at a time?

This means that there have been 49,950 accounts set up on their ticketing system over years and years of use. Many are duplicates of the same person, since people forget they established an account previously. The 4721 indicates where you stand on the priority points list.

[thundarsdaddy]

This means that there have been 49,950 accounts set up on their ticketing system over years and years of use. Many are duplicates of the same person, since people forget they established an account previously. The 4721 indicates where you stand on the priority points list.

BINGO...there there are many duplicates, I only know this because we had issues a number of years ago trying to access our account online. So when we were in Fargo one time I stopped by NDSU and sat for an hour with a staffer who was working on these issues. He got frustrated and simply gave up, and we set up a new account for us. Then he had issues trying to re-allocate the priority points, I told him dont bother..its no biggie, since we have had season tickets since 2006. They finally got it resolved a couple years ago, so as RoadWarrior alluded to that 49950 number is suspect.

[Trumpster]

It would be nice if they cut off that 49950 to those who have greater than X priority points (even if it was just 1 point). It's annoying that you have no idea how many points it will actually take to get season tickets.

[HerdBot]

It would be nice if they cut off that 49950 to those who have greater than X priority points (even if it was just 1 point). It's annoying that you have no idea how many points it will actually take to get season tickets.

There's a calculater thst shows how much you will go up but if you don't know how many you need it's not helpful. I think I'm in the 2000's

[Bison"FANatic"]

[QUOTE=56BISON73;880367 I dont know if NDSU will ever do that but its always a possibility.[/QUOTE]

I hope we don't come to this anytime soon. A big part of the game for us has been getting to know the people around us and we all have become good friends and it makes the game day experience that much more exciting. Yes it would get back to that point in a new spot but we really enjoy the people around us. Now they may think otherwise of me though:):)

[NorthernBison]

Fundraising is too large and complicated to deal with in a short post. Nobody wants to read a book.

A move to FBS requires two different types of funding increases. The single large gift contributions for infrastructure are easier to sell.

The increase in ANNUAL giving is the toughest nut to crack. When you leave the city limits of the major cities in the state, very few people have NDSU very high on their priority lists for giving. Church and Community are typically at the top and I don't see that changing.

Food for thought: the Dance Team kerfufle should be a warning about expectations.

It's pretty clear that it all occurred because of major sponsors getting toes stepped on. I understand their concerns but I also question what their expectations are. Multiply their contributions by a factor of X in an FBS move and tell me what changes.

You are either going to ask more people to contribute or ask them to contribute a hell of a lot more. The conflicts are obvious.

[Hammerhead]

According to The Oregonian, Oregon and Oregon State lost money playing in bowl games last year.

Oregon Ducks won the Alamo Bowl but were left with $689,000 financial loss
http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2014/06/oregon_ducks_won_the_alamo_bow.html

Oregon State Beavers' Hawaii Bowl appearance left nearly $170,000 financial loss
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/06/oregon_state_beavers_hawaii_bo.html

[El_Chapo]

but they MORE than made up for those small losses with March Madness money and incoming FBS playoff money and TV contracts and Exposure and Marketing and schmoozing boosters at these bowl games.

none of you guys really "GET IT" do you. smdh.

[kab1one]

but they MORE than made up for those small losses with March Madness money and incoming FBS playoff money and TV contracts and Exposure and Marketing and schmoozing boosters at these bowl games.

none of you guys really "GET IT" do you. smdh.

You are combining too much together. In NDSU case, they are already getting NCAA money, that isn't going to go up with an FBS football move. What you adding to the equation is potential money losing game.

[El_Chapo]

not really, all those higher "MONEY REVENUES" would come BECAUSE of a move to FBS.

what does the mvfc and summit give us? Patty V and Tom D wouldn't know how to raise revenue for a conference if they were handed a blank check.

[56BISON73]

not really, all those higher "MONEY REVENUES" would come BECAUSE of a move to FBS.

what does the mvfc and summit give us? Patty V and Tom D wouldn't know how to raise revenue for a conference if they were handed a blank check.

So you are betting on the come and not facts. This is your business model/plan?

[Hail bison]

but they MORE than made up for those small losses with March Madness money and incoming FBS playoff money and TV contracts and Exposure and Marketing and schmoozing boosters at these bowl games.

none of you guys really "GET IT" do you. smdh.

689k is not a small loss

[BisonNation11]

but they MORE than made up for those small losses with March Madness money and incoming FBS playoff money and TV contracts and Exposure and Marketing and schmoozing boosters at these bowl games.

none of you guys really "GET IT" do you. smdh.

Because March Madness is a guarantee ever year...
And every school will get playoff money because 4 teams make it...
TV contracts are a guarantee in every conference...
Exposure equals no real money...
Marketing doesn't guarantee money...
Schmoozing just gets your lips brown, which is the only guarantee there...

I see where all this money would be rolling in by the truck load.

[roadwarrior]

Maybe before we spend all this money we don't have for an FBS move, we should first raise the money needed for:

1 - paying off the locker room improvements in the Fargodome
2 - paying for the SHAC

[Gully]

The Oregon schools would have made money on the bowl games but they didn't ask their rich fans to join their booster club. Therefore these fans donated to the school, but the money went to the fine arts and entomology departments. This is further proof that we should hire the man with two first names and move to NAIA. <not purple but not real>

[ZHerd]

So you are betting on the come and not facts. This is your business model/plan?

We will follow the Oregon model and find us our own Phil Knight to toss us an occasional 100million. You should design a line of shoes.

[BlueBisonRock]

So you are betting on the come and not facts. This is your business model/plan?


We will follow the Oregon model and find us our own Phil Knight to toss us an occasional 100million. You should design a line of shoes.

Or ... a line of Gourmet Sausages.

[unbison]

You are combining too much together. In NDSU case, they are already getting NCAA money, that isn't going to go up with an FBS football move. What you adding to the equation is potential money losing game.
We would get more March madness money in most fbs football conferences because of multiple teams in the dance

[ZHerd]

Or ... a line of Gourmet Sausages.

Especially if organic with no nitrites or corn syrup...plus that doesn't support Iowa

[El_Chapo]

We would get more March madness money in most fbs football conferences because of multiple teams in the dance

And Bingo was his Name-o

[NorthernBison]

We would get more March madness money in most fbs football conferences because of multiple teams in the dance

Yes we would. Are any of those conferences remotely interested in us? I'm thinking not. I could be wrong but, an occasional contender for the Summit Title doesn't strike me as a big target.

[tony]

Yes we would. Are any of those conferences remotely interested in us? I'm thinking not. I could be wrong but, an occasional contender for the Summit Title doesn't strike me as a big target.

It's a strange thing that the closer people live to NDSU, the less they seem to realize the impression that the athletic department has been made in the college sporting world. I attribute that to the culture of the Upper Plains (self-effacement, lack of self confidence, and the aversion to the spotlight.)

The Bison have made a significant impression across the country. Combine insane television ratings, more signature wins than all the other schools that have moved to DI in the same time-frame combined, fans who travel extraordinarily well, and a growing university in a booming state and you have something that looks like a sound investment to a lot of people.

[gumby013]

It's a strange thing that the closer people live to NDSU, the less they seem to realize the impression that the athletic department has been made in the college sporting world. I attribute that to the culture of the Upper Plains (self-effacement, lack of self confidence, and the aversion to the spotlight.)

The Bison have made a significant impression across the country. Combine insane television ratings, more signature wins than all the other schools that have moved to DI in the same time-frame combined, fans who travel extraordinarily well, and a growing university in a booming state and you have something that looks like a sound investment to a lot of people.

People know NDSU all over the country now. I am stopped by random people all the time when traveling and sporting my Bison hat. I had chats with two toll booth attendants in Ohio and Indiana last week while moving all my stuff back to Fargo from NY/NJ.

They know us.

[El_Chapo]

It's a strange thing that the closer people live to NDSU, the less they seem to realize the impression that the athletic department has been made in the college sporting world. I attribute that to the culture of the Upper Plains (self-effacement, lack of self confidence, and the aversion to the spotlight.)

The Bison have made a significant impression across the country. Combine insane television ratings, more signature wins than all the other schools that have moved to DI in the same time-frame combined, fans who travel extraordinarily well, and a growing university in a booming state and you have something that looks like a sound investment to a lot of people.


and the TRUTH shall set you FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kab1one]

It's a strange thing that the closer people live to NDSU, the less they seem to realize the impression that the athletic department has been made in the college sporting world. I attribute that to the culture of the Upper Plains (self-effacement, lack of self confidence, and the aversion to the spotlight.)

The Bison have made a significant impression across the country. Combine insane television ratings, more signature wins than all the other schools that have moved to DI in the same time-frame combined, fans who travel extraordinarily well, and a growing university in a booming state and you have something that looks like a sound investment to a lot of people.

You are out east correct? Aside from what you follow, how much do you see/hear about ND? New York Times, New Yorker, other national publications, have brought a lot of attention to ND, but in some groups that I have hosted in Bakken, DC, Atlanta and Texas groups, they are oblivious of the state and what it has to offer.

So I agree that ND has had a tremendous amount of exposure, but I also wonder, how much the rest of the nation notices.

[HerdBot]

Maybe before we spend all this money we don't have for an FBS move, we should first raise the money needed for:

1 - paying off the locker room improvements in the Fargodome
2 - paying for the SHAC

What's sad is the average Joe thinks they are paid for. Kind of tough to make new plans until those are taken care of. How much left is there to raise?

[Bisonator98]

Maybe before we spend all this money we don't have for an FBS move, we should first raise the money needed for:

1 - paying off the locker room improvements in the Fargodome
2 - paying for the SHAC

I thought all of the funding had to be in place before construction could begin, no?

[kab1one]

I thought all of the funding had to be in place before construction could begin, no?

They still need to raise about $6 million on the SHAC, Development Foundation just guaranteed the last $6 million.

[BadlandsBison]

It's a strange thing that the closer people live to NDSU, the less they seem to realize the impression that the athletic department has been made in the college sporting world. I attribute that to the culture of the Upper Plains (self-effacement, lack of self confidence, and the aversion to the spotlight.)

The Bison have made a significant impression across the country. Combine insane television ratings, more signature wins than all the other schools that have moved to DI in the same time-frame combined, fans who travel extraordinarily well, and a growing university in a booming state and you have something that looks like a sound investment to a lot of people.
You forgot to say we are passive aggressive! That's what is holding us back

[kab1one]

More "FARGO" Television Show Press

2014 Emmy Awards: 'Game of Thrones,' 'Fargo' lead nominations

Game of Thrones had 19, Fargo 18.

[Bisonator98]

They still need to raise about $6 million on the SHAC, Development Foundation just guaranteed the last $6 million.

So the funding is in place. It's just coming from the Development Foundation.

[roadwarrior]

So the funding is in place. It's just coming from the Development Foundation.

Yeah, the funding is in place. But the money hasn't been raised yet.

[Bison"FANatic"]

So the funding is in place. It's just coming from the Development Foundation.


No the development foundation does not want to foot the 6 million bill. They just said they would if fund raising falls short. I do not think they would be happy one bit if they had to though. It was that or wait for till the rest of the 6 million was in place to start construction. In the beginning is sucks funding had to be in place before construction started especially since interest rates were so low but in the end not having any debt wrapped around the throat of the Athletic department will be very very nice.

[HerdBot]

So the funding is in place. It's just coming from the Development Foundation.

Yes but the next 6 million we raise is already spent

[Hail bison]

I've heard the discussion about the need for locker room improvements at the dome but thought this was something down the road. Did I miss something?

[kab1one]

Yes but the next 6 million we raise is already spent

Not necessarily, the Athletic Department or the Foundation has to raise an additional earmarked for the SHAC.

So if something gives a gift to NDSU, it may or may not go towards the SHAC.

I would assume, the Development Foundation is on the hook for the last $6 million of the project, so they and the Athletic Department will have a couple of years to raise.

[Bisonator98]

I guess I'm confused, isn't the Edge Campaign what we are talking about and I thought there was way more then $6 million in those funds.

[tony]

You are out east correct? Aside from what you follow, how much do you see/hear about ND? New York Times, New Yorker, other national publications, have brought a lot of attention to ND, but in some groups that I have hosted in Bakken, DC, Atlanta and Texas groups, they are oblivious of the state and what it has to offer.

So I agree that ND has had a tremendous amount of exposure, but I also wonder, how much the rest of the nation notices.

Yeah, I live out east. I don't get the NY Times but I have seen a lot of articles about North Dakota and a couple about NDSU athletics, and some about Fargo... all glowing. The Economist, an international publication, has run an impressive number of articles on North Dakota, the Bakken, and Fargo too. WSJ is about the same.

I'm sure that there are a ton of decision-makers don't know about North Dakota. The world is a big place with an infinite number of places to invest money. The college sports world is a lot smaller pond and NDSU has made some pretty big waves in it.

BTW, that said, I'm not saying NDSU needs to get into an FBS conference to validate the self-worth of sports fans, but if the goal is a bigger athletic presence the number of people you have to impress is very small (most of whom work in sports television.)

[kab1one]

I guess I'm confused, isn't the Edge Campaign what we are talking about and I thought there was way more then $6 million in those funds.


I believe the SHAC was a $41 million project, they have raised or have pledge $35 million. They could not begin work until all money was raise. So the NDSU Development Foundation voted to guarantee the last $6 million of the project so they could move forward. The foundation in turn will attempt to raise this money versus take from existing sources (which I don't know what they would be).

So as Herdbot said, it was a mechanism to get the construction started now and give more time to raise the money.

[kab1one]

Yeah, I live out east. I don't get the NY Times but I have seen a lot of articles about North Dakota and a couple about NDSU athletics, and some about Fargo... all glowing. The Economist, an international publication, has run an impressive number of articles on North Dakota, the Bakken, and Fargo too. WSJ is about the same.

I'm sure that there are a ton of decision-makers don't know about North Dakota. The world is a big place with an infinite number of places to invest money. The college sports world is a lot smaller pond and NDSU has made some pretty big waves in it.

BTW, that said, I'm not saying NDSU needs to get into an FBS conference to validate the self-worth of sports fans, but if the goal is a bigger athletic presence the number of people you have to impress is very small (most of whom work in sports television.)

ANd its no different than us not knowing what is going on outside of this market. NDSU athletics is just one of many items driving the ND brand right now. The Fargo TV show, again with 18 emmy awards only helps the exposure.

[kab1one]

Yeah, I live out east. I don't get the NY Times but I have seen a lot of articles about North Dakota and a couple about NDSU athletics, and some about Fargo... all glowing. The Economist, an international publication, has run an impressive number of articles on North Dakota, the Bakken, and Fargo too. WSJ is about the same.

I'm sure that there are a ton of decision-makers don't know about North Dakota. The world is a big place with an infinite number of places to invest money. The college sports world is a lot smaller pond and NDSU has made some pretty big waves in it.

BTW, that said, I'm not saying NDSU needs to get into an FBS conference to validate the self-worth of sports fans, but if the goal is a bigger athletic presence the number of people you have to impress is very small (most of whom work in sports television.)

Just sent you the New Yorker Article.

[HerdBot]

I've heard the discussion about the need for locker room improvements at the dome but thought this was something down the road. Did I miss something?

I could be wrong but the costs of the locker room upgrades we did a few years ago still haven't been paid for since they are built into the funding for the SHAC. And yes it's taken so long to raise the money, the new locker rooms are no longer new.

[El_Chapo]

Who are we gonna lose to seriously? half these games will be done by halftime.

Sat. 8/30/2014 Iowa State They SUCK
Sat. 9/6/2014 Weber State brutal
Sat. 9/13/2014 Incarnate Word D2
Sat. 9/20/2014 Montana average team missing players
Sat. 10/4/2014 * Western Illinois D2
Sat. 10/11/2014 * Southern Illinois we always dominate
Sat. 10/18/2014 * Indiana State D2 50-10?
Sat. 10/25/2014 * South Dakota D2 50-10?
Sat. 11/1/2014 * South Dakota State we wont lose at home
Sat. 11/8/2014 * Northern Iowa tough game
Sat. 11/15/2014 * Missouri State . easy win
Sat. 11/22/2014 * Youngstown State easy win
Who are we going to lose to on this fcs schedule? seriously.

its time to get a NEW AD with aspirations to take NDSU FBS and be a marketing/PR man and start fundraising like a big time college program. lets get some straight cash homey!

[TransAmBison]

Who are we gonna lose to seriously? half these games will be done by halftime.

Sat. 8/30/2014 Iowa State They SUCK
Sat. 9/6/2014 Weber State brutal
Sat. 9/13/2014 Incarnate Word D2
Sat. 9/20/2014 Montana average team missing players
Sat. 10/4/2014 * Western Illinois D2
Sat. 10/11/2014 * Southern Illinois we always dominate
Sat. 10/18/2014 * Indiana State D2 50-10?
Sat. 10/25/2014 * South Dakota D2 50-10?
Sat. 11/1/2014 * South Dakota State we wont lose at home
Sat. 11/8/2014 * Northern Iowa tough game
Sat. 11/15/2014 * Missouri State . easy win
Sat. 11/22/2014 * Youngstown State easy win
Who are we going to lose to on this fcs schedule? seriously.

its time to get a NEW AD with aspirations to take NDSU FBS and be a marketing/PR man and start fundraising like a big time college program. lets get some straight cash homey!
We always dominate Southern Illinois? We must have seen different games. Last year is the only year I can think of where we pulled away.

[Bisonator98]

Who are we gonna lose to seriously? half these games will be done by halftime.

Sat. 8/30/2014 Iowa State They SUCK
Sat. 9/6/2014 Weber State brutal
Sat. 9/13/2014 Incarnate Word D2
Sat. 9/20/2014 Montana average team missing players
Sat. 10/4/2014 * Western Illinois D2
Sat. 10/11/2014 * Southern Illinois we always dominate
Sat. 10/18/2014 * Indiana State D2 50-10?
Sat. 10/25/2014 * South Dakota D2 50-10?
Sat. 11/1/2014 * South Dakota State we wont lose at home
Sat. 11/8/2014 * Northern Iowa tough game
Sat. 11/15/2014 * Missouri State . easy win
Sat. 11/22/2014 * Youngstown State easy win
Who are we going to lose to on this fcs schedule? seriously.

its time to get a NEW AD with aspirations to take NDSU FBS and be a marketing/PR man and start fundraising like a big time college program. lets get some straight cash homey!
I know your trolling but how about ISU, UM, SIU, SDSU or UNI? Heck we always struggle with Missouri State! You seem to forget that this years team is not last years team. Do you even remember 2008, 9 or 10???

[ZHerd]

Who are we gonna lose to seriously? half these games will be done by halftime.

Sat. 8/30/2014 Iowa State They SUCK
Sat. 9/6/2014 Weber State brutal
Sat. 9/13/2014 Incarnate Word D2
Sat. 9/20/2014 Montana average team missing players
Sat. 10/4/2014 * Western Illinois D2
Sat. 10/11/2014 * Southern Illinois we always dominate
Sat. 10/18/2014 * Indiana State D2 50-10?
Sat. 10/25/2014 * South Dakota D2 50-10?
Sat. 11/1/2014 * South Dakota State we wont lose at home
Sat. 11/8/2014 * Northern Iowa tough game
Sat. 11/15/2014 * Missouri State . easy win
Sat. 11/22/2014 * Youngstown State easy win
Who are we going to lose to on this fcs schedule? seriously.

its time to get a NEW AD with aspirations to take NDSU FBS and be a marketing/PR man and start fundraising like a big time college program. lets get some straight cash homey!

And I wouldn't be shocked to see us lose several of the above games. You mistakenly assume NDSU and all opponents will be at last years level.

[HerdBot]

Who are we gonna lose to seriously? half these games will be done by halftime.

Sat. 8/30/2014 Iowa State They SUCK
Sat. 9/6/2014 Weber State brutal
Sat. 9/13/2014 Incarnate Word D2
Sat. 9/20/2014 Montana average team missing players
Sat. 10/4/2014 * Western Illinois D2
Sat. 10/11/2014 * Southern Illinois we always dominate
Sat. 10/18/2014 * Indiana State D2 50-10?
Sat. 10/25/2014 * South Dakota D2 50-10?
Sat. 11/1/2014 * South Dakota State we wont lose at home
Sat. 11/8/2014 * Northern Iowa tough game
Sat. 11/15/2014 * Missouri State . easy win
Sat. 11/22/2014 * Youngstown State easy win
Who are we going to lose to on this fcs schedule? seriously.

its time to get a NEW AD with aspirations to take NDSU FBS and be a marketing/PR man and start fundraising like a big time college program. lets get some straight cash homey!


Serious? Every team looks at us as their biggest game.

Youngstown- possible loss
Missouri State - we always play poorly on the road there.
UNI - tough road game
SDSU - always a tough game
USD - on the road where they were 3-3, lost 2 games by 5 points and beat UNI on the road. Joe Glenns 3rd year is starting to see an impact
Indiana State - last time they played in Fargo they won
SIU - always a tough game
WIU - we're 2-2 vs them since joining the MVC and it's on the road
Montana - serious if you can't get excited for this game there's no hope
Weber - probably easy
Incarnate World - cupcake
Iowa State - serious if you can't get pumped up for an FBS game, why move to the FBS?

Wyomings schedule
Montana - if you call it a cupcake for us, it's a cupcake for them
Airforce - 2-11 last year
@oregon - awesome game
Florida Atlantic - horrible team
@Michigan State - awesome game
@Hawaii - horrible team, 1-11 last year
San Jose State - decent game, 6-6 last year, blown out by the Gophers last year too
@Colorado State LOL
@Fresno State good game
Utah State - historically they have been horrible with a recent resurgence
Boise - awesome
@New Mexico horribe

That's 2 awesome games, both on the road. Both blowouts.
Boise at home. Utah State and San Jose State should be good games.
That's 3 good home games, 4 if you count Montana.
Road schedule is better

We have 4 good home games too. SIU, Youngstown, SDSU, and Montana. We have Iowa State which is a prime time game.

I really dont' see a major difference in the schedule minus the easy wins for Oregon and Michigan State.

[MNLonghorn10]

I know your trolling but how about ISU, UM, SIU, SDSU or UNI? Heck we always struggle with Missouri State! You seem to forget that this years team is not last years team. Do you even remember 2008, 9 or 10???

Let's be real..ndsu hasn't struggled with Missouri state since 3-0

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[Bisonator98]

Let's be real..ndsu hasn't struggled with Missouri state since 3-0

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Well we weren't exactly dominating them last year until their QB got hurt and the 2012 game (21-17) was closer then you seem to recall.

[HerdBot]

Let's be real..ndsu hasn't struggled with Missouri state since 3-0

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This is a new team. 2010 - 3 zip game. 2012 - Pick six game. Even last year it was 24-20 through most of the 3rd

[MNLonghorn10]

This is a new team. 2010 - 3 zip game. 2012 - Pick six game. Even last year it was 24-20 through most of the 3rd

Who cares what the score in the third was last year. ndsu could've picked a #

..and outside of brocks horrible game in 12..that game wasn't ever in doubt. Missouri state should never scare you

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[Bisonator98]

Who cares what the score in the third was last year. ndsu could've picked a #

..and outside of brocks horrible game in 12..that game wasn't ever in doubt. Missouri state should never scare you

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http://youtu.be/ss2hULhXf04

[MNLonghorn10]

http://youtu.be/ss2hULhXf04

Bahaha...hope Missouri state doesn't prevent you from sleeping

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[El_Chapo]

Who cares what the score in the third was last year. ndsu could've picked a #

..and outside of brocks horrible game in 12..that game wasn't ever in doubt. Missouri state should never scare you

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Longhorn NDSU is 43-2 . Brocks 2 Pick 6's = 44-1 DJ's Fumble = 45-0.

NDSU is 45-0 the last 3 years, how the heck can people not see that we have already dominated this division and need a fbs challenge.

[Bisonator98]

Longhorn NDSU is 43-2 . Brocks 2 Pick 6's = 44-1 DJ's Fumble = 45-0.

NDSU is 45-0 the last 3 years, how the heck can people not see that we have already dominated this division and need a fbs challenge.

If you 2 weren't so obnoxious with your posts you'd probably be getting somewhere. The last 3 years don't mean shit about this year! Just stop with the dominated bullshit already. Go frickin bug some other teams boards if that's all you got. You completely kill a decent thread discussion with your over the top bullshit!

[EC8CH]

Longhorn NDSU is 43-2 . Brocks 2 Pick 6's = 44-1 DJ's Fumble = 45-0.

NDSU is 45-0 the last 3 years, how the heck can people not see that we have already dominated this division and need a fbs challenge.

And there are also some FCS games NDSU won by the skin of their teeth the past three years. Georgia Southern and UNI just to name the most obvious. How do those figure into that fantasy 45-0 record?

[HerdBot]

Bahaha...hope Missouri state doesn't prevent you from sleeping

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In 2010 I didn't sleep because they almost knocked us out of the playoffs and certainly cost us a bye week

[HerdBot]

Longhorn NDSU is 43-2 . Brocks 2 Pick 6's = 44-1 DJ's Fumble = 45-0.

NDSU is 45-0 the last 3 years, how the heck can people not see that we have already dominated this division and need a fbs challenge.

Because this year's team while very talented hasn't even won a game yet much yet four peated or as you so eloquently put it in a different post fifteen peated. In the history of modern college football, no team has ever four peat before. Not once. To win the Championship you need home field adamage and with all the changes we could start slowly. We have a new qb, 5 new o lineman, all new dine, and more. And the competition is ramping up their talent

[MNLonghorn10]

In 2010 I didn't sleep because they almost knocked us out of the playoffs and certainly cost us a bye week
I think it turned out alright for ndsu in the long run..still not a reason to be afraid of a perennial last place team

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[MNLonghorn10]

If you 2 weren't so obnoxious with your posts you'd probably be getting somewhere. The last 3 years don't mean shit about this year! Just stop with the dominated bullshit already. Go frickin bug some other teams boards if that's all you got. You completely kill a decent thread discussion with your over the top bullshit!

It seems to me that you're throwing a fit because someone isn't agreeing with you.

Why do you do that? Continue the convo like a man.


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[Bisonator98]

It seems to me that you're throwing a fit because someone isn't agreeing with you.

Why do you do that? Continue the convo like a man.


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No simply stating why you 2 get so much flack. Your bullshit is old and tiresome. Who the fuck said we were afraid of anyone? I simply said we didn't dominate. Apparently your definition of dominate is different then mine and most others!

[El_Chapo]

2 words "SCORE BOARD"

[BisonTeacher]

2 words "SCORE BOARD BUS"


Fixed it for you.

[MNLonghorn10]

No simply stating why you 2 get so much flack. Your bullshit is old and tiresome. Who the fuck said we were afraid of anyone? I simply said we didn't dominate. Apparently your definition of dominate is different then mine and most others!
Ok and? I was quoting herdbot and stating msu shouldn't be on the list of games that will be tough and that ndsu will win again.


Then your blood pressure rose for whatever reason.

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[EC8CH]

Longhorn NDSU is 43-2 . Brocks 2 Pick 6's = 44-1 DJ's Fumble = 45-0.

NDSU is 45-0 the last 3 years, how the heck can people not see that we have already dominated this division and need a fbs challenge.


2 words "SCORE BOARD"

2 words "HIP OCRIT"

[Bisonator98]

Ok and? I was quoting herdbot and stating msu shouldn't be on the list of games that will be tough and that ndsu will win again.


Then your blood pressure rose for whatever reason.

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[El_Chapo]

Huh? All I care about is "winning" ndsu should easily be 45-0.
But back to focus of this thread. Money!

I'm thinking a new AD with a FBS vision will cultivate the donating he will be at teammakers and will come up with great promotions for ndsu fundraisers this is gonna be exciting! !

[CAS4127]

Huh? All I care about is "winning" ndsu should easily be 45-0.
But back to focus of this thread. Money!

I'm thinking a new AD with a FBS vision will cultivate the donating he will be at teammakers and will come up with great promotions for ndsu fundraisers this is gonna be exciting! !

Should I give the new AD your cell number, or is there a better number for him to reach you at?!

Also, can you text me Lhorn's cell number so I can get that to the new AD too?

Might as well get me Kab1one's number as well . . .

Hell, I might just start a new thread: "Non-Teammakers: Input your contact information here!". And then I will email a direct link to the new AD.

Wala!!-->direct personal contact brokered by CAS!!

[56BISON73]

Huh? All I care about is "winning" ndsu should easily be 45-0.
But back to focus of this thread. Money!

I'm thinking a new AD with a FBS vision will cultivate the donating he will be at teammakers and will come up with great promotions for ndsu fundraisers this is gonna be exciting! !

Then donate. You crying about money is getting real old when you dont donate. Pretty hypocritical.

[Bison 4 Life]

Then donate. You crying about money is getting real old when you dont donate. Pretty hypocritical.

Give him a break. When you're a 30k millionaire all your money has to be spent looking like you have a lot more.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Then donate. You crying about money is getting real old when you dont donate. Pretty hypocritical.

especially when the amount of money needed won't be a one time donation. It is going to have to be for year after year after year after year after year, uh oh a down year or two, doesn't matter the donation is still needed year after year after year.

[kab1one]

Should I give the new AD your cell number, or is there a better number for him to reach you at?!

Also, can you text me Lhorn's cell number so I can get that to the new AD too?

Might as well get me Kab1one's number as well . . .

Hell, I might just start a new thread: "Non-Teammakers: Input your contact information here!". And then I will email a direct link to the new AD.

Wala!!-->direct personal contact brokered by CAS!!
Where in TM mission is it to raise FBS money? Its scholarships. And you can do scholarships many ways. So TM isn't the end all you make it out to be.

[CAS4127]

Where in TM mission is it to raise FBS money? Its scholarships. And you can do scholarships many ways. So TM isn't the end all you make it out to be.

We need 22 more for the move . . .

Should I sign you up for a full scholly level annual donation, or where ya at?!

[EC8CH]

Huh? All I care about is "winning" ndsu should easily be 45-0.


Easily 45-0 or just as easily 40-4 without a championship in 2012.

Last year I agree that NDSU was impressively dominant over the FCS competition, but the two prior year's championships were won against stiff competition. Your lust to move up to the FBS is making you exaggerate NDSU's success in the FCS which is quite frankly absurd.

[BisonTeacher]

Easily 45-0 or just as easily 40-4 without a championship in 2012.

Last year I agree that NDSU was impressively dominant over the FCS competition, but the two prior year's championships were won against stiff competition. Your lust to move up to the FBS is making you exaggerate NDSU's success in the FCS which is quite frankly absurd.

El chapo no exagerato! How dare you sir!

[Bison"FANatic"]

Then donate.

I did see a donation from Land O Lakes though. :):) Forget his own county or state he is a whole land now. :):)