The Big 5, the Mountain West, and NDSU

[JMB]

I am not an NDSU to FBS guy. I enjoy what we are doing now and let the chips fall where they may. But as I was thinking about this week, it occurred to me that NDSU may have some work to do.

IF the rumblings come to be, and the FBS splits and the Big 5 take their ball and leave, I think most of us feel that NDSU should be in that second level of football. And although we feel like we could field a competitive team but what about the institution? Think about it guys, Wyoming just took our coach because we couldn't compete financially. If the split happens, these guys will be our peers, not a level up. We just got our lunch money taken by one of our possible future competitors. I think we got some work to do.

[unbison]

I am not an NDSU to FBS guy. I enjoy what we are doing now and let the chips fall where they may. But as I was thinking about this week, it occurred to me that NDSU may have some work to do.

IF the rumblings come to be, and the FBS splits and the Big 5 take their ball and leave, I think most of us feel that NDSU should be in that second level of football. And although we feel like we could field a competitive team but what about the institution? Think about it guys, Wyoming just took our coach because we couldn't compete financially. If the split happens, these guys will be our peers, not a level up. We just got our lunch money taken by one of our possible future competitors. I think we got some work to do.
if that happens wyoming won't share in the bcs money and peers we will b

[JMB]

if that happens wyoming won't share in the bcs money and peers we will b

Does much BCS money flow down to them? I honestly don't know.

[gumby013]

Does much BCS money flow down to them? I honestly don't know.

BCS money is peanuts compared to TV contract money. Mountain West TV contract is crap compared to the Big 5.

[Putz]

Does much BCS money flow down to them? I honestly don't know.

And what happens with their bigger salaries if they don't receive that money?

[NDSUstudent]

BCS money is peanuts compared to TV contract money. Mountain West TV contract is crap compared to the Big 5.

BCS/Playoff money does flow down to them. Not sure on the amounts though.

[gumby013]

BCS/Playoff money does flow down to them. Not sure on the amounts though.

BCS game payouts are about $17M, but get split up between conference teams.

TV contract payouts are $20+ per school for the Big 5. The SEC will be at around $30M each for the upcoming year for TV alone.

The Mountain West TV contract I think ends up being about $1.2M per member.

[JMB]

So the BCS kicks in about 1.5 million. Hey it pays for a coach. Is that only happen if Boise St. gets there?

[WYOBISONMAN]

The State of Wyoming kicks a lot into the athletc department.

[Bisonwinagn]

TV contracts are the big money maker. Each team in the Big ten received $25M from the Big Ten network last year. Kinda nice I would say.

[unbison]

BCS money is peanuts compared to TV contract money. Mountain West TV contract is crap compared to the Big 5.
Aha but much better then mvfc tv contract

[reformedUNDfan]

Does much BCS money flow down to them? I honestly don't know.

its 90 million split ~50 ways in the next contract.

[870XPRS]

They are the only 4 year school in the state. Nd spreads their money all over the place........6 four year schools.

[JMB]

They are the only 4 year school in the state. Nd spreads their money all over the place........6 four year schools.

That's a legitimate excuse, but still the reality of the situation is that someday we may be in the same level of college football as the lower level fbs teams, right now from budget comparison we are not competitive.

[silkamilkamonico]

That's a legitimate excuse, but still the reality of the situation is that someday we may be in the same level of college football as the lower level fbs teams, right now from budget comparison we are not competitive.

If that day ever comes in our current situation. We will either need to be on that third tier or deal with the fact that we just cant compete on a comparative resource level as those others.

Not much you can do when your expense is far greater than what you can possibly bring in.

[NDSUstudent]

If this tier thing happens budgets might be changing a bit.

With that said if you look at the MAC or Sun Belt NDSU isn't that far off if you look at budgets.

[El_Chapo]

Watching the mountain west media coverage right now, so this is relevant, not trying to start a holy war.

Bohl is still a charmer, mentioning NDSU a lot in interviews.


Question for you all: where would NDSU finish in this preseason poll.

MWC Media Poll:

Mountain:
Boise St
Utah St
CSU
Wyoming
New Mexico
Air Force

I'd say 3rd, what say you.

[ZHerd]

Watching the mountain west media coverage right now, so this is relevant, not trying to start a holy war.

Bohl is still a charmer, mentioning NDSU a lot in interviews.


Question for you all: where would NDSU finish in this preseason poll.

MWC Media Poll:

Mountain:
Boise St
Utah St
CSU
Wyoming
New Mexico
Air Force

I'd say 3rd, what say you.

Imo, this years NDSU team is pretty much unpredictable. Too many question marks. As a fan makes it both scary and exciting.

[56BISON73]

I am not an NDSU to FBS guy. I enjoy what we are doing now and let the chips fall where they may. But as I was thinking about this week, it occurred to me that NDSU may have some work to do.

IF the rumblings come to be, and the FBS splits and the Big 5 take their ball and leave, I think most of us feel that NDSU should be in that second level of football. And although we feel like we could field a competitive team but what about the institution? Think about it guys, Wyoming just took our coach because we couldn't compete financially. If the split happens, these guys will be our peers, not a level up. We just got our lunch money taken by one of our possible future competitors. I think we got some work to do.

You are correct. We did lose our coach. But by moving up how does that change anything? It doesnt unless NDSU figures out a way to bring in an additional 10 million a year EVERY YEAR.

[NDSU1980]

Watching the mountain west media coverage right now, so this is relevant, not trying to start a holy war.

Bohl is still a charmer, mentioning NDSU a lot in interviews.


Question for you all: where would NDSU finish in this preseason poll.

MWC Media Poll:

Mountain:
Boise St
Utah St
CSU
Wyoming
New Mexico
Air Force

I'd say 3rd, what say you.I'd say first in the Missouri Valley Football Conference is better. We'll go FBS when the time comes and not before. Who wants to be third?

[344Johnson]

I'd say first in the Missouri Valley Football Conference is better. We'll go FBS when the time comes and not before. Who wants to be third?

Are you saying winning the valley is tougher or am I misreading this?

[Hammersmith]

Are you saying winning the valley is tougher or am I misreading this?

You're misreading. Winning the Valley means a conference championship, an autobid to the tourney, a likely top-4 seed in the tourney, and a probable deep run in the tourney. A third place in the MWC means a lower tier bowl game and that's it. That was his point.

[JMB]

You are correct. We did lose our coach. But by moving up how does that change anything? It doesnt unless NDSU figures out a way to bring in an additional 10 million a year EVERY YEAR.

I still agree as I did when I wrote it orginally. Having a good record at FCS and being ready for the next level are too entirely different discussions.

[HerdBot]

We could never compete dollar wise vs the big 5 but 10 million more per year would put us on the top of the mac conference and would pull us to Wyomings current level. The question is could we raise the money?

We can obviously do more with less but we MUST increase coaches salaries to protect the program

[BisonNation11]

We could never compete dollar wise vs the big 5 but 10 million more per year would put us on the top of the mac conference and would pull us to Wyomings current level. The question is could we raise the money?

We can obviously do more with less but we MUST increase coaches salaries to protect the program

Fire inflation, save coaches!

[reformedUNDfan]

step by step.

[tjbison]

We could never compete dollar wise vs the big 5 but 10 million more per year would put us on the top of the mac conference and would pull us to Wyomings current level. The question is could we raise the money?

We can obviously do more with less but we MUST increase coaches salaries to protect the program

I want nothing to with being compared to Wyoming at its current level.......

[ZHerd]

I know some (ok maybe one) have let their desire be well known for NDSU to join the mountain west. I was just reading on a MWC teams forum and it was mentioned that of the 12 teams only Air Force has a coach who has been there 4 years or more. That seems like insane turnover. Is that a normal rate of turnover for FBS conferences? If not, I don't know if I would want to join into that kind of instability

[reformedUNDfan]

I know some (ok maybe one) have let their desire be well known for NDSU to join the mountain west. I was just reading on a MWC teams forum and it was mentioned that of the 12 teams only Air Force has a coach who has been there 4 years or more. That seems like insane turnover. Is that a normal rate of turnover for FBS conferences? If not, I don't know if I would want to join into that kind of instability

three long tenured coaches recently left jobs at Boise state, Fresno state, and Nevada.

[ZHerd]

three long tenured coaches recently left jobs at Boise state, Fresno state, and Nevada.

Ok so it fairly coincidental. I knew about Petersen but have not followed the other two schools much.

[SamsRams]

I know some (ok maybe one) have let their desire be well known for NDSU to join the mountain west. I was just reading on a MWC teams forum and it was mentioned that of the 12 teams only Air Force has a coach who has been there 4 years or more. That seems like insane turnover. Is that a normal rate of turnover for FBS conferences? If not, I don't know if I would want to join into that kind of instability
Typical MWC fans. they dont understand football or math. Hauck is entering year 5 at UNLV

[El_Chapo]

7999

NDSU record in Mountain West would be 11-1 according to FCS analyst Steve Pugh (who has a computer program with Sagarin/Massey)

a picture says a thousand words

[El_Chapo]

I did some research:

NDSU to Mountain West: TV deal pays $1.6 million to each school. CFP money pays $5 million to each school. March madness $1.5 million to each. NDSU = $8 million more in revenue

Lets do this already

[southcliffbison]

I did some research:

NDSU to Mountain West: TV deal pays $1.6 million to each school. CFP money pays $5 million to each school. March madness $1.5 million to each. NDSU = $8 million more in revenue

Lets do this already

Man, you're forgetting the GoDaddy.com/Meinicke CarCare bowl invite. Gee Whiz, Chappie. Bump this thread when a G5 school is included in the CFP.

[unbison]

I did some research:

NDSU to Mountain West: TV deal pays $1.6 million to each school. CFP money pays $5 million to each school. March madness $1.5 million to each. NDSU = $8 million more in revenue

Lets do this already
8million isn’t enough
Most competitive teams in the mountain west have athletic budgets in the mid 40 million range
With donor support in the 10 million range
Your math as usual isn’t very good

[Professor Chaos]

I did some research:

NDSU to Mountain West: TV deal pays $1.6 million to each school. CFP money pays $5 million to each school. March madness $1.5 million to each. NDSU = $8 million more in revenue

Lets do this already
Where is this $5M number from the CFP coming from? Unless NDSU actually makes a New Years 6 Bowl that's part of the CFP they just get the scraps that are shared amongst the G5 conference which, while significant are nowhere near $5M annually. Last year the entire CUSA (14 teams) got $13.9M to share from the CFP. The Notre Dame got $2.9M. No team in the MWC is sniffing close to $5M from the CFP.

https://amp-usatoday-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/952646001

[Honeybooboo]

Where is this $5M number from the CFP coming from? Unless NDSU actually makes a New Years 6 Bowl that's part of the CFP they just get the scraps that are shared amongst the G5 conference which, while significant are nowhere near $5M annually. Last year the entire CUSA (14 teams) got $13.9M to share from the CFP. The Notre Dame got $2.9M. No team in the MWC is sniffing close to $5M from the CFP.

https://amp-usatoday-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/952646001

Dont give lakes facts, it wont matter

[JMB]

I saw this thread this morning and thought, "Great who the hell started another thread about this discussion?" Then I realized it was me...... Three years ago.

[BattleBorn]

8136

Can someone point out where "allowed to have an opinion on FBS" sits on this chart before I comment further? Thanks.

[bisonmike2]

8136

Can someone point out where "allowed to have an opinion on FBS" sits on this chart before I comment further? Thanks.

It's actually not on that chart. It's to the right of "Full Scholarship" and the donation level is $200 million. That would cover a 35,000 seat new stadium, a practice facility, increased travel cost and the increases in scholarships in both the football program and matching title 9 sports.

[Bison 4 Life]

8136

Can someone point out where "allowed to have an opinion on FBS" sits on this chart before I comment further? Thanks.

Don't worry. All the 30k millionaires who don't donate a dime are never afraid to express their opinion.

[KNOW IT ALL]

Don't worry. All the 30k millionaires who don't donate a dime are never afraid to express their opinion.

Yep, because anybody that has any opinion about the "possibility" of going up knows nothing about the future state of the Bison?? AND guess who will be the first HOMER to waive his banner when NDSU does eventually move up? YOU!, and your 30K millionaire buddies who own the Bison :fight:

[KNOW IT ALL]

If you would have asked me 3 years ago about moving up I would have said "NO", Today I would say "Maybe" it is something NDSU should keep on the table moving forward. Look at some of the competition the Bison have faced in the FCS playoffs the past few years, San Diego?, Go thru the list of teams that made the field? If JMU should move up in the near future there aren't a lot of schools out there to compete for a title, other than MVFC teams. I mean really Sam Houston is a perennial power, Did you watch that game?

[bisonmike2]

If you would have asked me 3 years ago about moving up I would have said "NO", Today I would say "Maybe" it is something NDSU should keep on the table moving forward. Look at some of the competition the Bison have faced in the FCS playoffs the past few years, San Diego?, Go thru the list of teams that made the field? If JMU should move up in the near future there aren't a lot of schools out there to compete for a title, other than MVFC teams. I mean really Sam Houston is a perennial power, Did you watch that game?

I think I'm in the same boat. I wasn't for a FBS move at first but now we are in the championship game 6 of 7 years and there are really only 1 or 2 teams that can challenge us. I do think the only way it's fiscally possible is to have the MVFC move up to FBS with us, I just don't think that's viable for most of the institutions.

[tjbison]

I think I'm in the same boat. I wasn't for a FBS move at first but now we are in the championship game 6 of 7 years and there are really only 1 or 2 teams that can challenge us. I do think the only way it's fiscally possible is to have the MVFC move up to FBS with us, I just don't think that's viable for most of the institutions.

and the fact they CAN'T, NCAA has a mandate that conferences cannot move up as a whole. I'm sure it could be asked for a waiver but ISU-B, WIU, SIU for sure couldn't do it, hell SDSU and USD probably cant

[KNOW IT ALL]

We also beat a NON Scholarship team in the SECOND round of the playoffs. The fact is, there is some really poor competition in the FCS, I know the team I see on Gate City Field on Saturdays is capable of better and doesn't appear to be slowing down. Im not saying FCS isn't a good fit, but, im not naïve enough to think were not FBS capable as a program, community, region. Larimie Wyoming??? Really?

[tjbison]

We also beat a NON Scholarship team in the SECOND round of the playoffs. The fact is, there is some really poor competition in the FCS, I know the team I see on Gate City Field on Saturdays is capable of better and doesn't appear to be slowing down. Im not saying FCS isn't a good fit, but, im not naïve enough to think were not FBS capable as a program, community, region. Larimie Wyoming??? Really?

Wyoming gets every dollar the state has for Higher ed, its THE only university in the state, ND has 11 yes 11 freaking institutions. Without State backed money Wyoming is NOT in the FBS hell many schools are not in the FBS spending that money

NDSU like it or not is going to be at the second level for a Long long time, now what in the future will the second level consist of? Who knows but I predict the P5 if they make the playoff larger will not include the G5 and they will start to crumble as their over inflated TV contracts diminish with ESPN hemorrhaging they wont pay that for football that people care about the same as FCS. Out side the FBS top 25 games people do not get pumped to watch Wyoming and New Mexico play at 11pm Eastern time.

its a tough spot for NDSU to be, just take a look east GSU, APPy, and people forget Old Dominion was on track to be a kick ass FCS school and they haven't really don't anything in FBS, Coastal Carolina?? they wont be anything al this is my opinion

[Professor Chaos]

We also beat a NON Scholarship team in the SECOND round of the playoffs. The fact is, there is some really poor competition in the FCS, I know the team I see on Gate City Field on Saturdays is capable of better and doesn't appear to be slowing down. Im not saying FCS isn't a good fit, but, im not naïve enough to think were not FBS capable as a program, community, region. Larimie Wyoming??? Really?
Wyoming is a tiny state in terms of population just like ND but they also don't have like 27 other four year public universities slurping up higher ed funding and anchoring the flagship.

[tjbison]

Wyoming is a tiny state in terms of population just like ND but they also don't have like 27 other four year public universities slurping up higher ed funding and anchoring the flagship.

Yep,

State of Wyoming 585,501 - 1 University
State of ND - 757,952 - 11 Universities
State of SD - 865,454 - 6 Universities
State of MT - 1.03 Mil - 16 universities
State of MN - 5.55 Mil - 37 State Institutions

ND is just nuts with higher ed

[Christopher Moen]

Yep,

State of Wyoming 585,501 - 1 University
State of ND - 757,952 - 11 Universities
State of SD - 865,454 - 6 Universities
State of MT - 1.03 Mil - 16 universities
State of MN - 5.55 Mil - 37 State Institutions

ND is just nuts with higher ed

Don't forget with MN, that there is just one DI school and is a highly taxed state (https://www.forbes.com/pictures/emeg45ehhij/no-43-minnesota/#4a6ee60b6ff9), and therefore, has a lot more higher education funds.

North Dakota, on the other hand, is a lot more tax-friendly (https://www.forbes.com/pictures/emeg45ehhij/no-18-north-dakota/#5d51bc494115) with a low population. It amazingly ridiculous to have that many higher education institutions.

[tjbison]

Don't forget with MN, that there is just one DI school and is a highly taxed state (https://www.forbes.com/pictures/emeg45ehhij/no-43-minnesota/#4a6ee60b6ff9), and therefore, has a lot more higher education funds.

North Dakota, on the other hand, is a lot more tax-friendly (https://www.forbes.com/pictures/emeg45ehhij/no-18-north-dakota/#5d51bc494115) with a low population. It amazingly ridiculous to have that many higher education institutions.

correct, I was just showing overall Higher Ed for DI it would be:

1 - WY
2 - ND
2 - SD
2 - MT
1 - MN

[KNOW IT ALL]

I would agree with the earlier take in regard to a big change coming in the college Football landscape. Over saturation of sports on tv as a whole is starting to swing the pendulum the other way. ESPN and its financial woes is a great barometer. Oddly enough, the P5 football schools will run off with a Tier one system, leaving all other D1 Schools to fend for themselves. At that time we will probably see another D1AA for all other schools, none P5. "The wheel on the bus goes round and round, round and round". Leaving us with P5 and D1AA, no FCS.

[KC Bison]

But, but, but, you're forgetting all those DI hockey schools in Minnesota. After all, I've been told by a number of people that hackey is as important as football.

[23Bison]

So we’re not going fbs?

[runtheoption]

Yep,

State of Wyoming 585,501 - 1 University
State of ND - 757,952 - 11 Universities


That's pretty misleading.

If you are going to count Bismarck State College, NDSCS, Williston State, Dakota College at Bottineau, and Lake Region State College as part of North Dakota's "11 universities," then you should also count the 7 community colleges in Wyoming, and change their number to "8 Universities."

Either way, there is too much constitutionally mandated higher ED in North Dakota.

[BisonTeacher]

CFP money pays $5 million to each school.

= Hush money. ie....you'll never sniff a championship...but heres some money to keep quiet about it.

[Bison 4 Life]

I did some research:

NDSU to Mountain West: TV deal pays $1.6 million to each school. CFP money pays $5 million to each school. March madness $1.5 million to each. NDSU = $8 million more in revenue

Lets do this already

You know FBS teams have much more diligent compliance departments.

[MankatoBison]

You know FBS teams have much more diligent compliance departments.

hahaha nice

[bruinbison]

I did some research:

NDSU to Mountain West: TV deal pays $1.6 million to each school. CFP money pays $5 million to each school. March madness $1.5 million to each. NDSU = $8 million more in revenue

Lets do this already

Could you please provide some links to recent articles that show any Mountain West Conference interest in expanding with NDSU.
Am genuinely interested in seeing these and you must be be aware of them from your research.

[UND-92]

I did some research:

NDSU to Mountain West: TV deal pays $1.6 million to each school. CFP money pays $5 million to each school. March madness $1.5 million to each. NDSU = $8 million more in revenue

Lets do this already

Is the $1.5M from March Madness guaranteed or is that just for the team(s) that make it? What do UND/NDSU get from March Madness if the play or don't play?

[UND-92]

After looking at the Mountain West Website. Once again Geography seems to be the biggest sticking point. I see no way the teams in the MW conference will want to travel to Fargo ND. the MVFC is really the best spot for any of the Dakota schools, Geographically speaking, and I don't see that changing in the near future.

[Christopher Moen]

After looking at the Mountain West Website. Once again Geography seems to be the biggest sticking point. I see no way the teams in the MW conference will want to travel to Fargo ND. the MVFC is really the best spot for any of the Dakota schools, Geographically speaking, and I don't see that changing in the near future.

In my conversation with them last year about the upcoming Iowa game during a luncheon, they showed absolutely no interest in adding NDSU. They viewed us as a cute school though, which is probably more than how they viewed the other Dakota schools.

[UND-92]

In 2017 MWC had I team in March Madness, Nevada, play 1 game. So the Conference receives $1.71MM paid to the conference (over a 6 year period). Not sure how the conference splits that up. So the $1.5 MM quoted above is false.

[HerdThat!]

After looking at the Mountain West Website. Once again Geography seems to be the biggest sticking point. I see no way the teams in the MW conference will want to travel to Fargo ND. the MVFC is really the best spot for any of the Dakota schools, Geographically speaking, and I don't see that changing in the near future.

A few years IIRC Hawaii was going to or strongly considering dropping their athletics programs- is that something they are still considering??

[Herd]

I hear a lot of people (FBS fan bases) say that NDSU has no interest in moving up. I disagree with that statement in general. The official word from NDSU is “we are happy where we are.” Well dah, what are they supposed to say. That’s the only words you’ll hear officially until there’s a formal agreement in place. I trust NDSU is watching their situation closely.

[westnodak93bison]

How is Hawaii in the Mountain West if they are concerned about geography? Who is their basketball travel partner? San Diego State or Guam Community College?

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[marenlee]

How is Hawaii in the Mountain West if they are concerned about geography? Who is their basketball travel partner? San Diego State or Guam Community College?

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Hawaii is in the MW for football only. They are in the Big West for all others. Which still doesn’t change a thing since there are no other major athletics besides UH here. UH does have a healthy local following and I have not heard any rumblings about dropping athletics.


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[tjbison]

How is Hawaii in the Mountain West if they are concerned about geography? Who is their basketball travel partner? San Diego State or Guam Community College?

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LOL, I was talking this over with a friend of mine in Nevada, he said NDSU would be a good add but its to far away so I brought up Hawaii, and he said.."shit everyone forgets about them hell your right"

[El_Chapo]

travel? yea it's called planes. Fargo to Denver. Fargo to Vegas not that complicated folks!!

my numbers came from mountain west website, Google probably has it to.

NDSU needs to go AFTER the mountain west... solicit them! instead of this passive business. no one gets anywhere in life being passive. Fargo is a big city now, time to grow up and stretch these legs. get a new teammakers executive and get the ball rolling. heck at Frisco there should be people from teammakers walking around with empty barrels and filling them with cash from the tailgating

[KNOW IT ALL]

Im not sure Hawaii is a great example, Ive always wondered why Hawaii doesn't play all its games at home. What a great destination for schools to travel (non-conference). NDSU should look into that one. Play early in the year with a cup cake at home on the backside. Not a bad recruiting tool either. :)

[imabison]

Im not sure Hawaii is a great example, Ive always wondered why Hawaii doesn't play all its games at home. What a great destination for schools to travel (non-conference). NDSU should look into that one. Play early in the year with a cup cake at home on the backside. Not a bad recruiting tool either. :)

I once heard about 5 years ago that teams going to Hawaii typically lose their next game in more than something like 90% of the cases. At that time people felt it would be a curse for NDSU to go to Hawaii depending on the end of season record.

[thunderingherd]

I assume the Mountain West views adding NDSU about the same as the MVC looking at adding northwest Missouri state. both powerhouses in their division of football.

[devin45k]

Mountain West would probably want NDSU over Hawaii in the long run. There is no way it will happen with the stadium we have right now.

[Gary Hansen]

I think UNI played Hawaii a couple years ago. I remember them talking about the travel week. Sounded brutal. I have also heard that Hawaii at times will travel to the continental US for a game and stay the week for another away game. Then they would travel back to Hawaii. Not sure how true that is. Sounds like a nightmare.

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

Mountain West would probably want NDSU over Hawaii in the long run. There is no way it will happen with the stadium we have right now.

And it won't happen when the time comes when we have trouble filling even 3/4 of the stadium, if that. This championship run isn't going to last forever, and I remember going to games as a kid in the early 2000's. Lots of empty seats. What would be the point in building a 40k capacity stadium and then when we have a 3-8 year or whatever, we can barely fill 20k in the stadium? I'm more then fine at where were at now instead of playing for some worthless bowl game.

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

Mountain West would probably want NDSU over Hawaii in the long run. There is no way it will happen with the stadium we have right now.

And it won't happen when the time comes when we have trouble filling even 3/4 of the stadium, if that. This championship run isn't going to last forever, and I remember going to games as a kid in the early 2000's. Lots of empty seats. What would be the point in building a 40k capacity stadium and then when we have a 3-8 year or whatever, we can barely fill 20k in the stadium? I'm more then fine at where were at now instead of playing for some worthless bowl game.

[bisonaudit]

I think UNI played Hawaii a couple years ago. I remember them talking about the travel week. Sounded brutal. I have also heard that Hawaii at times will travel to the continental US for a game and stay the week for another away game. Then they would travel back to Hawaii. Not sure how true that is. Sounds like a nightmare.

Seems like staying on the mainland would be the smart approach. Eagles stayed on West coast when they had consecutive Pacific time zone games a few weeks ago. I recall the 49ers doing so for eastern time zone games in the past as well.

[BraxtonT]

[QUOTE=#1BISONFAN ASHLEY;1254483]And it won't happen when the time comes when we have trouble filling even 3/4 of the stadium, if that. This championship run isn't going to last forever, and I remember going to games as a kid in the early 2000's. Lots of empty seats. What would be the point in building a 40k capacity stadium and then when we have a 3-8 year or whatever, we can barely fill 20k in the stadium? I'm more then fine at where were at now instead of playing for some worthless bowl game. QUOTE]

Other than a disastrous coaching hire when Klieman leaves, IMO, there is nothing to support this doomsday prediction. The FCS is a collection of schools that are generally more interested in the sport of basketball. NDSU is a football first school that offers FCOA as a major incentive. There are very few schools in the FCS that emphasize football the way NDSU does. With Ga. Southern, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, etc... leaving, the only saving grace in staying in this division is the MVFC provides great, competitive games.

[MankatoBison]

And it won't happen when the time comes when we have trouble filling even 3/4 of the stadium, if that. This championship run isn't going to last forever, and I remember going to games as a kid in the early 2000's. Lots of empty seats. What would be the point in building a 40k capacity stadium and then when we have a 3-8 year or whatever, we can barely fill 20k in the stadium? I'm more then fine at where were at now instead of playing for some worthless bowl game.



Other than a disastrous coaching hire when Klieman leaves, IMO, there is nothing to support this doomsday prediction. The FCS is a collection of schools that are generally more interested in the sport of basketball. NDSU is a football first school that offers FCOA as a major incentive. There are very few schools in the FCS that emphasize football the way NDSU does. With Ga. Southern, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, etc... leaving, the only saving grace in staying in this division is the MVFC provides great, competitive games.[/QUOTE]

We don't "have trouble filling 3/4 of the stadium which would equal only 14,025 people. That is not the issue. we FLIP OUT when we only fill 91% of the stadium like we did for Wofford with 17,000 people (and that is exclusively on the students not general fans). I don't know what the overall demand is for tix, but when your entire regular season sells out in 7 minutes for nearly a decade in a row- you officially have more demand then supply so your point on "barely filling 3/4 of the stadium" is a gross exaggeration. I don't think 40k would be appropriate but we could more than likely use 25-30 fairly well

I would be SHOCKED if we were to become irrelevant in the FM area. We have such an advantage amongst our peers at our level that we will be top1-5 teams for a good, good chunk of time. People need to stop pretending that we're on the brink of irrelevancy in the FCS.

Not saying we should jump to FBS but to say that we just don't have the demand for more tickets/seats, and feign that our fan base has "recency bias" as far as their passion is concerned.

[VirginiaBison]

NDSU could have been in the Idaho Harvest Potato Bowl on the blue field playing Coach Bohl and the Cowboys today....., but's stuck playing for another National Championship in Frisco instead. No 1,800 mile drive to TX. And season over today. More time for recruiting. :hide:

Wonder how tailgating is at the Harvest Potato Bowl. Traditions!

[Honeybooboo]

NDSU could have been in the Idaho Harvest Potato Bowl on the blue field playing Coach Bohl and the Cowboys today....., but's stuck playing for another National Championship in Frisco instead. No 1,800 mile drive to TX. And season over today. More time for recruiting. :hide:

Wonder how tailgating is at the Harvest Potato Bowl. Traditions!

you see the crowd? I bet there were all of 6K there, so all of Western Wyoming made it

[natstar1]

We don't "have trouble filling 3/4 of the stadium which would equal only 14,025 people. That is not the issue. we FLIP OUT when we only fill 91% of the stadium like we did for Wofford with 17,000 people (and that is exclusively on the students not general fans). I don't know what the overall demand is for tix, but when your entire regular season sells out in 7 minutes for nearly a decade in a row- you officially have more demand then supply so your point on "barely filling 3/4 of the stadium" is a gross exaggeration. I don't think 40k would be appropriate but we could more than likely use 25-30 fairly well

I'm curious to see how many fans would show up if we're in the MW with a 6-2, 5-3 record with no chance of a conference championship and the game is a Thursday night game or late Saturday night game.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think part of the allure now is every game matters. A win or a loss will affect your playoff positioning.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Well we didn't even sell out a win or go home playoff game this year. And I thought the demand was yyyyyyyuuuuuuugggggeeeee!!!!!!!

[Twentysix]

I'm curious to see how many fans would show up if we're in the MW with a 6-2, 5-3 record with no chance of a conference championship and the game is a Thursday night game or late Saturday night game.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think part of the allure now is every game matters. A win or a loss will affect your playoff positioning.

Probably a lot.

[CaBisonFan]

Well we didn't even sell out a win or go home playoff game this year. And I thought the demand was yyyyyyyuuuuuuugggggeeeee!!!!!!!I wonder if some fans just decided to stay home because getting tickets can be difficult...and I suppose, expensive. Especially during the holiday season. In other words..."why even try to get tickets...it's on espn...let's stay home and enjoy good seats."

[GSUsTALON]

Watching the mountain west media coverage right now, so this is relevant, not trying to start a holy war.

Bohl is still a charmer, mentioning NDSU a lot in interviews.


Question for you all: where would NDSU finish in this preseason poll.

MWC Media Poll:

Mountain:
Boise St
Utah St
CSU
Wyoming
New Mexico
Air Force

I'd say 3rd, what say you.

You'd start at 3rd but end up 2nd or 1st! IMO

[56BISON73]

I'm curious to see how many fans would show up if we're in the MW with a 6-2, 5-3 record with no chance of a conference championship and the game is a Thursday night game or late Saturday night game.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think part of the allure now is every game matters. A win or a loss will affect your playoff positioning.

How many would travel for the away games? After the first two years the novelty is going to wear off.

[GSUsTALON]

How many would travel for the away games? After the first two years the novelty is going to wear off.

How many NDSU fans travel now?

[GSUsTALON]

I'm curious to see how many fans would show up if we're in the MW with a 6-2, 5-3 record with no chance of a conference championship and the game is a Thursday night game or late Saturday night game.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think part of the allure now is every game matters. A win or a loss will affect your playoff positioning.

IF NDSU were 6-2 or 5-3 in FCS would it affect your home attendance?

[56BISON73]

How many NDSU fans travel now?

Depend on where its at. Ive been to games where there is 2-3k. Others may be 500. A lot more mile in the MWC and the WAC. Our fans will show up in numbers to an away game on the coast once a year. But 4-5? If its with in 2-3 hours we will show up in force if there are tickets to be had.

[56BISON73]

IF NDSU were 6-2 or 5-3 in FCS would it affect your home attendance?

Not much.........

[Christopher Moen]

Depend on where its at. Ive been to games where there is 2-3k. Others may be 500. A lot more mile in the MWC and the WAC. Our fans will show up in numbers to an away game on the coast once a year. But 4-5? If its with in 2-3 hours we will show up in force if there are tickets to be had.

Personally for me, getting to the away games would be much easier with USAFA, CSU, Wyoming and New Mexico being fairly short drives. With that said, I'm not sure the MW office would be too happy allowing a FCS school in their conference and having them dominate fairly quick. It would prove that they are not at the same level as the elite P5 schools as they want to believe.

[scottietohottie]

Well we could get rid of Lee Timmerman pretty easy with every away game starting after his bedtime.

[StL Bison Fan]

How many NDSU fans travel now?

Sometimes more of us than home team fans.
Illinois state for sure. Indiana state also.
Outside the stadium at siu more of them. Inside, more of us.

[Honeybooboo]

Personally for me, getting to the away games would be much easier with USAFA, CSU, Wyoming and New Mexico being fairly short drives. With that said, I'm not sure the MW office would be too happy allowing a FCS school in their conference and having them dominate fairly quick. It would prove that they are not at the same level as the elite P5 schools as they want to believe.

MWC has a pretty inflated picture of themselves that's for sure

[westnodak93bison]

MWC has a pretty inflated picture of themselves that's for sureThe are FBS

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[Christopher Moen]

The are FBS

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True, but in reality most of their teams are not much better than the teams in the MVFC.

Their budgets, however, are much better.


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[El_Chapo]

How many would travel for the away games? After the first two years the novelty is going to wear off.

kind of like sdsu? there was only 1200 bison fans therr this year . NDSU vs a Power 5 team in a bowl game would be amazing

[bruinbison]

Quote Originally Posted by El_Chapo View Post
I did some research:

NDSU to Mountain West: TV deal pays $1.6 million to each school. CFP money pays $5 million to each school. March madness $1.5 million to each. NDSU = $8 million more in revenue

Lets do this already





Could you please provide some links to recent articles that show any Mountain West Conference interest in expanding with NDSU.
Am genuinely interested in seeing these and you must be be aware of them from your research.

Bump......

[CaBisonFan]

The only two footprints that make any sense for travel are the Big 10 West and the Big 12. This is for both the teams and the fans. Not holding my breath.

[BlueBisonRock]

The only two footprints that make any sense for travel are the Big 10 West and the Big 12. This is for both the teams and the fans. Not holding my breath.

This ^^^^^!

[Christopher Moen]

The only two footprints that make any sense for travel are the Big 10 West and the Big 12. This is for both the teams and the fans. Not holding my breath.

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[Twentysix]

In 2017 MWC had I team in March Madness, Nevada, play 1 game. So the Conference receives $1.71MM paid to the conference (over a 6 year period). Not sure how the conference splits that up. So the $1.5 MM quoted above is false.They have one team play at least 1 game every year, some years they have 2 teams, some years they win some games. All of this equals more cash. They take in a lot more than the summit for CBB. However, they don't take in enough money from this to make the kind of difference ndsu would need. Also it's super shitty to spend mbb money on football imo.

Also you should assume all of the numbers are made up unless he posts articles.

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[KNOW IT ALL]

The only two footprints that make any sense for travel are the Big 10 West and the Big 12. This is for both the teams and the fans. Not holding my breath.

Agreed, NDSU football could fit in at the Big 10 west level of play and recruit, develop and compete. Any other sport??? BBall is a different athlete, The Gophers may have some talent this year but over the past 20 years they struggle to attract good BBall recruits. Can you imagine NDSU trying to bring Big 10 BBall talent to Fargo? Will Not Happen!!! IF NDSU had D1 Hockey it might be a fit, again, Will Not Happen!!! . Football without any other competitive sport "Will Not Happen". Big 10 network money isn't coming to a one sport U.

[Twentysix]

Agreed, NDSU football could fit in at the Big 10 west level of play and recruit, develop and compete. Any other sport??? BBall is a different athlete, The Gophers may have some talent this year but over the past 20 years they struggle to attract good BBall recruits. Can you imagine NDSU trying to bring Big 10 BBall talent to Fargo? Will Not Happen!!! IF NDSU had D1 Hockey it might be a fit, again, Will Not Happen!!! . Football without any other competitive sport "Will Not Happen". Big 10 network money isn't coming to a one sport U.Sadly the sports are irrelevant. Academics are the first impassable bar for the B1G. Market is second. Quality of non football sports doesn't even matter because of the other things that make it impossible.

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[devin45k]

Nothing will happen with the stadium we have. I don't see that situation changing anytime in the near future

[Twentysix]

The only real route to big time fb for NDSU is MWC to Big XII. And that's going to take decades and progress and money and luck.


The B1G will never happen because of academics. We could win every single mbb wbb softball and football NC for 10 years straight and have a 50,000 seat indoor football stadium that we sell out every game and the B1G will still be completely uninterested. They are the public ivy league and we aren't worthy. That's the reality no matter how much it sucks to hear. The big XII on the other hand has much more lax academics.

Also, NDSUs academic profile has sadly gone backwards slightly in the last year, after gaining tons of ground over the last 15 years.

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[BamaBison1]

I think a good goal would be giving ourselves the ability to make the decision rather than having it made for us due to inadequate facilities or funding. DII went downhill pretty quickly around the time when we left, and getting caught up in a similar situation would not be a good thing. A giant new stadium probably doesn't make sense right now, but there are some Fargodome expansion options that would get us close to Montana's seating and keep us moving forward.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

^ Both posts (26 and Bama) are spot on. Sit tight, keep growing the ‘Bizon’ brand, and try to expand the Fargo Dome a bit. That’s all we can do. If CSU is unworthy of the Big XII right now, NDSU has a ways to go to even get a whiff. Keep making the most of what we have. And after watching some of these lesser bowl games, I don’t want anything to do with the MAC. MACtion is gross …

Also have to try to stop the bleeding academically. NDSU lost several good faculty these past few years to other schools. It appears nobody had a plan for when oil tanked and earmarks disappeared, and the limiting-by-design structure of ND Higher Ed is becoming painfully obvious. Visionary leadership on this front – especially research – is AWOL at NDSU right now, and that’s a big part of the equation.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Nothing will happen with the stadium we have. I don't see that situation changing anytime in the near future

I think the original Dome plans had like 30k seats. Man that would have been sweet.

[RonMexico]

you see the crowd? I bet there were all of 6K there, so all of Western Wyoming made it

6,000 people...Wow...bet that was an incredible environment....much better than 17,000 and a natty on the line. I mean they were playing for the Idaho Potato Harvest Bowl championship in front of 6,000 people. That's something to tell the grand-kids about.

[RonMexico]

The are FBS

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And their teams have about as good a chance of playing in the FBS title game as NDSU currently does.

[westnodak93bison]

And their teams have about as good a chance of playing in the FBS title game as NDSU currently does.But they are fbs

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[Bisonator98]

UCF goes 13-0 and wins the Chic-Fil-A Peach Bowl, beating a team that beat both Georgia and Alabama and gets to put this in their trophy case: http://www.ajc.com/rf/image_large/Pub/p7/AJC/2016/12/21/Images/pbowl.jpg

Meanwhile 2 teams from the SEC with those losses to Auburn get to play for the Championship again. The CFP is a sham.

[CalBison97]

UCF goes 13-0 and wins the Chic-Fil-A Peach Bowl, beating a team that beat both Georgia and Alabama and gets to put this in their trophy case: http://www.ajc.com/rf/image_large/Pub/p7/AJC/2016/12/21/Images/pbowl.jpg

Meanwhile 2 teams from the SEC with those losses to Auburn get to play for the Championship again. The CFP is a sham.

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[IndyBison]

Talked to a friend of mine who lives in Atlanta and is involved with game operations. He was around the teams all week and at the game. He said UCF was all in for the game while Auburn was going through the motions. They were less than enthused about returning to the site where they lost the conference championship a couple weeks earlier. The UCF section was full and the Auburn section had several open sections of seats. The school/conference bought up several seats so it would remain a sellout. Even with that, Auburn was close to tying the game at the end. He's a very knowledgeable football coach and he guessed UCF would maybe be in the middle of the SEC at best. In his opinion they had no business being in the playoff.

This doesn't say a lot about the current bowl system either. That was a NYE6 bowl and a top SEC team wasn't overly excited playing in it. The more players who bow out of playing in major bowl games also lessens their value. I only heard of a couple this year, but I'm sure there were more.

[ZHerd]

Talked to a friend of mine who lives in Atlanta and is involved with game operations. He was around the teams all week and at the game. He said UCF was all in for the game while Auburn was going through the motions. They were less than enthused about returning to the site where they lost the conference championship a couple weeks earlier. The UCF section was full and the Auburn section had several open sections of seats. The school/conference bought up several seats so it would remain a sellout. Even with that, Auburn was close to tying the game at the end. He's a very knowledgeable football coach and he guessed UCF would maybe be in the middle of the SEC at best. In his opinion they had no business being in the playoff.

This doesn't say a lot about the current bowl system either. That was a NYE6 bowl and a top SEC team wasn't overly excited playing in it. The more players who bow out of playing in major bowl games also lessens their value. I only heard of a couple this year, but I'm sure there were more.

That kind of conjecture, accurate or not, is, or at least should be completely worthless. Even an 8 team playoff would make a huge difference. These things need to be proven in playoffs, not by conjecture and/or computers

[El_Chapo]

Mountain West is BACK!!
Mountain West “aggressively exploring” options to play 8-game fall season, culminating w/Dec. 19 MW title game, sources told

@Stadium

. This would allow league to be eligible for NY6 bowls. Not all schools might play w/Hawaii, Fresno & Air Force biggest unknowns for full season

[El_Chapo]

Could MWC replace NDSU for 1 year waiver to fill in for (hawaii, fresno or air force?)

[kab1one]

Could MWC replace NDSU for 1 year waiver to fill in for (hawaii, fresno or air force?)

I will give you credit.

You aren't a quitter.

[THEsocalledfan]

Could MWC replace NDSU for 1 year waiver to fill in for (hawaii, fresno or air force?)

I'll tell you what, that is a solid idea. If there is a year the NCAA would grant a crazy waiver like this, this is the year.

[CalBison97]

This assumes NDSU wants to play. We seem to be content with a single game.

[gumby013]

Get your foot in the door.

[SomeBeach]

Mountain West is BACK!!
Mountain West “aggressively exploring” options to play 8-game fall season, culminating w/Dec. 19 MW title game, sources told

@Stadium

. This would allow league to be eligible for NY6 bowls. Not all schools might play w/Hawaii, Fresno & Air Force biggest unknowns for full season

Of course, that would be wonderful for NDSU. But we can't just call the NCAA and demand accommodation.

Why would the MWC and its members want to do this? So a team they see as inferior (FCS) could come in and potentially slap around the majority of its teams, and possibly take a bowl bid from them? Not gonna happen.

[THEsocalledfan]

Of course, that would be wonderful for NDSU. But we can't just call the NCAA and demand accommodation.

Why would the MWC and its members want to do this? So a team they see as inferior (FCS) could come in and potentially slap around the majority of its teams, and possibly take a bowl bid from them? Not gonna happen.

They have trouble filling conference schedules.....that is the best aruegment. Your points are strong, however.

[TAILG8R]

Plus like I said last time old chapo brought up a similar idea, what happens to the relationship between ndsu and the mvfc or fcs for that matter. What happens next year when the FBS doesn't want us or we don't want to move up and we've burned all the bridges?

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[Bison bison]

A game in front of 30 people in logan utah? Where do we sign up?

[THEsocalledfan]

Plus like I said last time old chapo brought up a similar idea, what happens to the relationship between ndsu and the mvfc or fcs for that matter. What happens next year when the FBS doesn't want us or we don't want to move up and we've burned all the bridges?

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Torch away. FCS are pud losers.

[NDSUstudent]

Plus like I said last time old chapo brought up a similar idea, what happens to the relationship between ndsu and the mvfc or fcs for that matter. What happens next year when the FBS doesn't want us or we don't want to move up and we've burned all the bridges?

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If we did that our FCS days would be over but this idea is about as far fetched as the fantasies from Siouxvolley on SS.com.

[TAILG8R]

If we did that our FCS days would be over but this idea is about as far fetched as the fantasies from Siouxvolley on SS.com.

Totally agree just trying to bring some sane discussion to an idea that's as looney as bugs and daffy.

[marenlee]

I started playing NCAA Football 14 on the Xbox 360 again recently. I replaced San Jose State with NDSU. A guy can dream?

[Rock]

Plus like I said last time old chapo brought up a similar idea, what happens to the relationship between ndsu and the mvfc or fcs for that matter. What happens next year when the FBS doesn't want us or we don't want to move up and we've burned all the bridges?

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NDSU is the MVFC/FCS- not sure how or why they would not see this as a benefit to improve their image. Be like the FCS being upset NDSU scheduled Oregon.

Beyond that- at what point does NDSU act somewhat upset that the MVFC isn't playing when the Big Ten is?... Yeah yeah, spring schedule (minus a decent number of our seniors). NDSU just flames back that they did it for them. Good for NDSU recruiting as well- that they care about football, not being pushed around, and care about their players.

[El_Chapo]

I started playing NCAA Football 14 on the Xbox 360 again recently. I replaced San Jose State with NDSU. A guy can dream?

funny on the MWC board, that's been mentioned a few times. Just replace SJSU w NDSU asap.


sorry, this isn't a far fetched idea, NDSU has Cred right now and a marketing gorilla in Trey Lance/Dillon Randunz that could be utilized to HELP created revenue for this university that is hemorrhaging revenue now

[123Gobison]

Only when people have ambition in life anything of significance can be achieved. Currently we have an administration that is very bad. They are just riding on the coat tails of a very successful Football program. Student enrollment is down (http://ndsuspectrum.com/enrollment-rates-fall-first-year-student-rates-rise/). No FBS games on schedule. No interest in moving to D1 level where exposure and opportunities are bigger and better. Currently the only thing we have is a very successful Football program, largely due to a bunch of highly motivated and outstanding 18-20 year olds and Football coaches. The top management is just lazy , overfed and very uninspiring.

[SlickVic]

Only when people have ambition in life anything of significance can be achieved. Currently we have an administration that is very bad. They are just riding on the coat tails of a very successful Football program. Student enrollment is down (http://ndsuspectrum.com/enrollment-rates-fall-first-year-student-rates-rise/). No FBS games on schedule. No interest in moving to D1 level where exposure and opportunities are bigger and better. Currently the only thing we have is a very successful Football program, largely due to a bunch of highly motivated and outstanding 18-20 year olds and Football coaches. The top management is just lazy , overfed and very uninspiring.

get the waiver-----------------NOW!!!!!

[El_Chapo]

Only when people have ambition in life anything of significance can be achieved. Currently we have an administration that is very bad. They are just riding on the coat tails of a very successful Football program. Student enrollment is down (http://ndsuspectrum.com/enrollment-rates-fall-first-year-student-rates-rise/). No FBS games on schedule. No interest in moving to D1 level where exposure and opportunities are bigger and better. Currently the only thing we have is a very successful Football program, largely due to a bunch of highly motivated and outstanding 18-20 year olds and Football coaches. The top management is just lazy , overfed and very uninspiring.

Reality slapping the face.

elevating NDSU by using the football program as a springboard was what elevated NDSU in the 1st place paging Joe Chapman/Gene Taylor

[Snowgoose]

I agree we needed to try harder to play some FBS games. We needed to play at least 3 games this fall. It would have been unbelievable to play an independent type schedule this year. I have not been onboard to jumping unless it makes total logical sense, but we clearly are not an FCS program. Although, I lived thru the 90's as a fan and we went backwards thanks to D2 taking away scholarships and FCS is headed clearly in that direction right now.

[El_Chapo]

I agree we needed to try harder to play some FBS games. We needed to play at least 3 games this fall. It would have been unbelievable to play an independent type schedule this year. I have not been onboard to jumping unless it makes total logical sense, but we clearly are not an FCS program. Although, I lived thru the 90's as a fan and we went backwards thanks to D2 taking away scholarships and FCS is headed clearly in that direction right now.

this is what i'm fearing as well, with covid as an excuse, alot of fcs programs will be hurting (they already were and are!) so what a perfect time to decrease scholarships grrr

[HerdBot]

I agree we needed to try harder to play some FBS games. We needed to play at least 3 games this fall. It would have been unbelievable to play an independent type schedule this year. I have not been onboard to jumping unless it makes total logical sense, but we clearly are not an FCS program. Although, I lived thru the 90's as a fan and we went backwards thanks to D2 taking away scholarships and FCS is headed clearly in that direction right now.

Yep I'm starting to jump on the bandwagon of moving up. We are clearly not an FCS program anymore. FCS teams don't beat Iowa or K State.

[Kevin]

Let's crowd source a budget and pay these FBS pansies to play us in their house. Think about the press from that? FCS school pays FBS school for road game. Beats them by double digits. This is once in a century like opportunity.

National brand over night.

[El_Chapo]

Let's crowd source a budget and pay these FBS pansies to play us in their house. Think about the press from that? FCS school pays FBS school for road game. Beats them by double digits. This is once in a century like opportunity.

National brand over night.

exactly. take a risk, think outside the box.

Whore yourself out

[Honeybooboo]

exactly. take a risk, think outside the box.

Whore yourself out

What's the benefit?

[CalBison97]

What's the benefit?

Watching Trey Lance play in a bison uniform more than one final time.

[THEsocalledfan]

What's the benefit?

Actually playing games. If teams can't afford to play now due to testing, it will be the same in the Spring. We are like the kids following the pied piper forgetting we are nothing like most of those other pud loser schools.

[bisonaudit]

Actually playing games. If teams can't afford to play now due to testing, it will be the same in the Spring. We are like the kids following the pied piper forgetting we are nothing like most of those other pud loser schools.

Maybe we’ll get our shit together and cheap, fast antigen tests will actually be broadly available in 5 months.

[NDSU92]

Maybe we’ll get our shit together and cheap, fast antigen tests will actually be broadly available in 5 months.

Or vaccines, or better information on how fragile non-bubble leagues are

[Bisonwinagn]

Maybe we’ll get our shit together and cheap, fast antigen tests will actually be broadly available in 5 months.

Or just forget about testing and move on with life. I don't recall everyone being tested for the flu. It's a complete waste of time and money.

[bisonaudit]

Or vaccines, or better information on how fragile non-bubble leagues are

Or all of that. There isn't one single magic bullet that is going to do the trick.

[bisonaudit]

Or just forget about testing and move on with life. I don't recall everyone being tested for the flu. It's a complete waste of time and money.

COVID isn't the flu. It's more deadly in the short run and we know next to nothing about long-term risks.

[El_Chapo]

NDSU has the program in place to make a jump now. in 5 years we might look back and wish we jumped. just like I wish we jumped in 2013.

[THEsocalledfan]

Maybe we’ll get our shit together and cheap, fast antigen tests will actually be broadly available in 5 months.

Already are. And these pud losers still aren't playing.

[Honeybooboo]

Watching Trey Lance play in a bison uniform more than one final time.


Actually playing games. If teams can't afford to play now due to testing, it will be the same in the Spring. We are like the kids following the pied piper forgetting we are nothing like most of those other pud loser schools.


I thought he was thinking NDSU playing them would help secure an FBS spot, which it wouldn't, I agree with you guys

[El_Chapo]

Mountain west is BACK!!

[Snowgoose]

Mountain west is BACK!!

Everyone is coming back. Even MN high school football is back. Everybody but us. This is a virus to take seriously as I have a close friend in the ICU, but at the same time it has little to no effect on young people and our lives need to move forward. There was what I thought was a great interview with the LSU coach on 60 minutes and they are taking it seriously but at the same time lots of their players have had it and have had almost no symptoms. Time to play games and start life again.

[southcliffbison]

Everyone is coming back. Even MN high school football is back. Everybody but us. This is a virus to take seriously as I have a close friend in the ICU, but at the same time it has little to no effect on young people and our lives need to move forward. There was what I thought was a great interview with the LSU coach on 60 minutes and they are taking it seriously but at the same time lots of their players have had it and have had almost no symptoms. Time to play games and start life again.

How dare you go against the conventional wisdom !!! How dare you !!!

[THEsocalledfan]

Everyone is coming back. Even MN high school football is back. Everybody but us. This is a virus to take seriously as I have a close friend in the ICU, but at the same time it has little to no effect on young people and our lives need to move forward. There was what I thought was a great interview with the LSU coach on 60 minutes and they are taking it seriously but at the same time lots of their players have had it and have had almost no symptoms. Time to play games and start life again.

I simply don't get it. If they are worried about being blamed for a super spreader event, simply play two road games if you can find them.

[Kevin]

We will look back on this (in)decision to not play as a terrible decision.

Even worse by the fact that it could have been a defining moment for the program. A chance to grow a booming brand and position for the next step up.

[THEsocalledfan]

Folks, keep sending polite emails to Mr. Larson. At some point, he'll put down the sniffing glue.

[Kevin]

Folks, keep sending polite emails to Mr. Larson. At some point, he'll put down the sniffing glue.


No. Won't work.

Instead sign my petition to make Lakes AD.

[THEsocalledfan]

No. Won't work.

Instead sign my petition to make Lakes AD.

Hey, that was my idea!

[Kevin]

Hey, that was my idea!

My entire business model is around stealing and improving* smarter people's ideas. So take it as a compliment.



*improving via cheaper/less reliable parts and offshore labor

[southcliffbison]

Hey, that was my idea!

Yes, TSCF said that a month ago. C'mon guys !!

[El_Chapo]

Man NDSU could of been a trendsetter

[Twincitybizon]

Actually playing games. If teams can't afford to play now due to testing, it will be the same in the Spring. We are like the kids following the pied piper forgetting we are nothing like most of those other pud loser schools.

I'm not an expert but I believe they approved a 5 $ test semi recently so costs may actually have come down

[IndyBison]

I'm not an expert but I believe they approved a 5 $ test semi recently so costs may actually have come downI would be very leary the accuracy of cheap tests. This is very complex, scientific work being done by the companies developing them. There's a difference between a $5 test and a test that costs you $5 because someone else is underwriting the costs.

Fast
Quality
Cheap

You can get 2 of the 3 but never all 3

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[Twincitybizon]

I would be very leary the accuracy of cheap tests. This is very complex, scientific work being done by the companies developing them. There's a difference between a $5 test and a test that costs you $5 because someone else is underwriting the costs.

Fast
Quality
Cheap

You can get 2 of the 3 but never all 3

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I get you're applying common sense here, but it sounds like you have as much expertise as any other layperson. Here is a link to the product including info on accuracy.

https://abbott.mediaroom.com/2020-08-26-Abbotts-Fast-5-15-Minute-Easy-to-Use-COVID-19-Antigen-Test-Receives-FDA-Emergency-Use-Authorization-Mobile-App-Displays-Test-Results-to-Help-Our-Return-to-Daily-Life-Ramping-Production-to-50-Million-Tests-a-Month