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AKBison
09-04-2013, 05:37 PM
Tyler (Not Kevin) Lockett had 7 receptions for 113 yards with one of those catches going for 57 yards and a TD. The guy is a legit reciever with All Big XII talent. Would like to hear some technical thoughts on his performance by some of the defensive guru's here.

MNLonghorn10
09-04-2013, 05:39 PM
B-... probably in the d range if it wasn't for the pick

CaBisonFan
09-04-2013, 05:48 PM
Anyone notice how CJ Smith did out there?

devin45k
09-04-2013, 06:00 PM
I would say C+ to B- range. The pick definitely helped. Lockett is a big time receiver but I don't think Williams particularly helped his draft stock.

jarhead
09-04-2013, 06:02 PM
The receiver's name is Tyler, his dad is Kevin. In reality, Marcus didn't do too badly. We were in a cover 2 D to prevent the deep ball and, with the ex-
ception of the TD, Marcus kept Tyler in front of him and restricted his yards after catch very well. It's worth mentioning again that Tyler is mentioned asthe second best pro prospect from KSU in next year's draft (if he declares). He is a 4.47 guy and is on the watch list for best return specialist this year ( a
shoutout to our coaching staff and kick return team for removing kick returns as a weapon). I'm including a couple quick links for Tyler's draft potential,
both of which have him in the top 30 WRs and another which lists him in the top 20 underclassmen WRs.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/8/21/4643598/2014-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-rankings
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=109859&draftyear=2015&genpos=WR
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1525652-college-footballs-top-prospects-for-the-2014-nfl-draft/page/19

Bison Dan
09-04-2013, 06:25 PM
The receiver's name is Tyler, his dad is Kevin. In reality, Marcus didn't do too badly. We were in a cover 2 D to prevent the deep ball and, with the ex-
ception of the TD, Marcus kept Tyler in front of him and restricted his yards after catch very well. It's worth mentioning again that Tyler is mentioned asthe second best pro prospect from KSU in next year's draft (if he declares). He is a 4.47 guy and is on the watch list for best return specialist this year ( a
shoutout to our coaching staff and kick return team for removing kick returns as a weapon). I'm including a couple quick links for Tyler's draft potential,
both of which have him in the top 30 WRs and another which lists him in the top 20 underclassmen WRs.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/8/21/4643598/2014-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-rankingshttp://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=109859&draftyear=2015&genpos=WR
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1525652-college-footballs-top-prospects-for-the-2014-nfl-draft/page/19He did very well. Did you notice how many times Waters had to go to his 2 or 3 option as Lockett was covered. In the second half we got to Waters a few times and those were coverage sacks. D did great.

jarhead
09-04-2013, 06:35 PM
I've been spending a lot of time looking at the 2014 draft and Marcus is all over the place depending on who you follow. He's as high as 88 overall on a
Bleacher Report mock from this spring to #233 overall on CBS and #150 on Draft Tek. I've been more concerned with hs run defense and I thought he did
well the other night, along with everybody else. This "D" really plays well together, a testament to the players but also to Bohl, Klieman and the assistantsI don't remember CJ's name coming up so I'm guessing his play was stellar.

tony
09-04-2013, 06:47 PM
I've been spending a lot of time looking at the 2014 draft and Marcus is all over the place depending on who you follow. He's as high as 88 overall on a
Bleacher Report mock from this spring to #233 overall on CBS and #150 on Draft Tek. I've been more concerned with hs run defense and I thought he did
well the other night, along with everybody else. This "D" really plays well together, a testament to the players but also to Bohl, Klieman and the assistantsI don't remember CJ's name coming up so I'm guessing his play was stellar.

Thought Williams was outstanding in run support. I'm pretty sure that I saw CJ Smith get blocked by a pulling guard or something and make an outstanding play to get a hand on the runner's ankle and trip him up. He really stuck his nose in there.

OrygunBison
09-04-2013, 06:57 PM
I thought he played B+ at corner. (Sheesh, guys. C is average and I certainly don't think he played average.) He let one bad pass beat him. We were also focused on making Water, rather than Hubert, beat us. ...and it worked. Sometimes the right assignment at corner means that he's giving up a few yards here and there.

What I particularly liked from MWill, however, was that I saw him wrap up some tackles very well. I don't ever wanna see that thing that he tried to do on GSU's Swope again. If he can nail that every time, he'll do well on Sundays for some time.

westnodak93bison
09-04-2013, 06:59 PM
What happened on Lockett's TD? Was the safety supposed to help over the top?

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NorthernBison
09-04-2013, 06:59 PM
If you watch the long TD, you'll see that he bit on the QB's pump fake. It wasn't the exaggerated fake that Steve Walker lived with but it was there. It's not like Lockett burned him with his speed or a great move. Marcus made a mistake jumping the route and paid dearly for it. It happens.

coloradobison
09-04-2013, 07:03 PM
looked like a double move and a qb pump fake. if they were in zone he would be looking at the qb and the pump fake would have got him to bite.

CAS4127
09-04-2013, 07:04 PM
If you watch the long TD, you'll see that he bit on the QB's pump fake. It wasn't the exaggerated fake that Steve Walker lived with but it was there. It's not like Lockett burned him with his speed or a great move. Marcus made a mistake jumping the route and paid dearly for it. It happens.

And it was a great throw, as was the one Heagle got burned on. Waters has a great arm and he throws a soft ball. All in all, I thought MWill played very well, and stuck to our gameplan of keeping stuff in front of us. Also, his tackling was noticeably better and stronger than last year, and this was against stronger/faster/quicker receivers (allegedly) than he will see the rest of the year.

HandoEX
09-04-2013, 07:07 PM
If you watch the long TD, you'll see that he bit on the QB's pump fake. It wasn't the exaggerated fake that Steve Walker lived with but it was there. It's not like Lockett burned him with his speed or a great move. Marcus made a mistake jumping the route and paid dearly for it. It happens.
Joey Harrington talked about this during the broadcast. He said that teams will game plan against top notch CBs to incorporate double moves since these CBs have a tendency to jump routes. Marcus has been burned on this type of move many times in his career. One I remember clearly was early in the Montana State game where he bit, and was burned down the sideline on a bomb, just like in the KSU game. It happens I guess.

NorthernBison
09-04-2013, 07:17 PM
Joey Harrington talked about this during the broadcast. He said that teams will game plan against top notch CBs to incorporate double moves since these CBs have a tendency to jump routes. Marcus has been burned on this type of move many times in his career. One I remember clearly was early in the Montana State game where he bit, and was burned down the sideline on a bomb, just like in the KSU game. It happens I guess.Yeah. I think the subtle pump fake like Waters did is more effective against a guy like Marcus than an obvious one.If Marcus was expecting Safety help, it wasn't there.

56BISON73
09-04-2013, 07:24 PM
And it was a great throw, as was the one Heagle got burned on. Waters has a great arm and he throws a soft ball. All in all, I thought MWill played very well, and stuck to our gameplan of keeping stuff in front of us. Also, his tackling was noticeably better and stronger than last year, and this was against stronger/faster/quicker receivers (allegedly) than he will see the rest of the year.

Yes his tackling was noticeably better as was the rest of the team. They must have worked very hard on this with the new rule changes taking effect.

Bisonator98
09-04-2013, 07:51 PM
I thought he played B+ at corner. (Sheesh, guys. C is average and I certainly don't think he played average.) He let one bad pass beat him. We were also focused on making Water, rather than Hubert, beat us. ...and it worked. Sometimes the right assignment at corner means that he's giving up a few yards here and there.

What I particularly liked from MWill, however, was that I saw him wrap up some tackles very well. I don't ever wanna see that thing that he tried to do on GSU's Swope again. If he can nail that every time, he'll do well on Sundays for some time.

Agreed. Thought he really tackled well in this game and aside from biting on the one pump fake I think he played great coverage too. I'd give him a B. Lockett's dang good.

SDBison11
09-04-2013, 08:06 PM
He played ok. Not spectacular, but the pick definitely helped as all of you indicated. However, to be a top notch cb you have to take a few risks. Jumping the fake is just one of those. Had they thrown the ball on the first move, he would have been in good shape. Perhaps he saw something from Lockett that made him think he was cutting. Not sure, but I am sure he watched enough film on him to know some of Locketts tendencies. Perhaps he gave him one look and went another way. Can't expect them to be perfect all the time.

Blair
09-04-2013, 08:58 PM
As I recall there was a blitz called on the deep pass completion. He was expecting pressure to get to the QB, and that's why he jumped the first move. Pressure did not get to the QB.

gotts
09-04-2013, 09:03 PM
I've been spending a lot of time looking at the 2014 draft and Marcus is all over the place depending on who you follow. He's as high as 88 overall on a
Bleacher Report mock from this spring to #233 overall on CBS and #150 on Draft Tek. I've been more concerned with hs run defense and I thought he did
well the other night, along with everybody else. This "D" really plays well together, a testament to the players but also to Bohl, Klieman and the assistantsI don't remember CJ's name coming up so I'm guessing his play was stellar.

How about this mock... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1625806-2014-nfl-mock-draft-mapping-out-1st-round-landing-spots-for-college-stars

Umm, yeah... I know the author claims it's technically not a mock, but I think he might have Marcus valued a little high.

CAS4127
09-04-2013, 09:07 PM
As I recall there was a blitz called on the deep pass completion. He was expecting pressure to get to the QB, and that's why he jumped the first move. Pressure did not get to the QB.

Not sure on that, but if there was a blitz called, MWill was likey in man or "underman" coverage, not zone coverage--at least not normally. I have not seen the replay, so I can't tell you. If in either man or underman, he might be expecting safety help, but he has to know it won't necessarily be there.

BisonHorns
09-04-2013, 09:10 PM
Marcus was hitting hard and that is all I care about. He gave up passes for short yardage but that is going to happen if you are following the coach's game plan. The big one slipped away from him but he broke even in that department because he stole one from them.

jarhead
09-04-2013, 09:17 PM
This is looking like a deep CB class and I'd be very surprised if Marcus goes before the middle of the 3rd rd. I really believe CB is the hardest position to
play and Marcus is the best CB I have ever seen at NDSU (with apologies to Tyrone and a few others).

bisonsupporter
09-04-2013, 09:42 PM
This is looking like a deep CB class and I'd be very surprised if Marcus goes before the middle of the 3rd rd. I really believe CB is the hardest position to
play and Marcus is the best CB I have ever seen at NDSU (with apologies to Tyrone and a few others).

This will hurt MWill. Before the season started CBS Sports had MWill ranked as a 3-4 rounder. Now they have him as 6-7 rounder.

jarhead
09-04-2013, 10:49 PM
This will hurt MWill. Before the season started CBS Sports had MWill ranked as a 3-4 rounder. Now they have him as 6-7 rounder.

I'm not really sure of this, but it seems like CBS's early player rankings only include seniors and the juniors that are first round picks. As the year pro-
gresses, they seem to add underclassmen whose stock is rising. Early on, Tahj Boyd seemed to be the consensus #2 QB but now Brett Hundley is getting
some of their love. Mariota is also climbing as it begins to look like he'll declare. Not sure if Marcus is moving down as underclassmen become more vis-
able, but that would make sense.

CAS4127
09-04-2013, 11:25 PM
It is kinda early for anyone to be predicting anything relative to the draft, but that's just my opinion of course.


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A1pigskin
09-05-2013, 12:14 AM
Joey Harrington talked about this during the broadcast. He said that teams will game plan against top notch CBs to incorporate double moves since these CBs have a tendency to jump routes. Marcus has been burned on this type of move many times in his career. One I remember clearly was early in the Montana State game where he bit, and was burned down the sideline on a bomb, just like in the KSU game. It happens I guess.

I expect other teams will see this on tape and try to run the play.

GOBISON123
09-05-2013, 12:38 AM
Marcus Williams frustrates me, drives me to the edge. I see a lot of potential in this kid. He absolutely destroyed Tyler Lockett on one play where both were toe-toe and went down on the end zone. That play was simply amazing. He could have done the same thing on Tyler Lockett TD pass but somehow let it slip.

1998braves64
09-05-2013, 03:47 AM
I think both Heagle and Wiiliams TD plays NDSU was blitzing so they probably were thinking that Waters wouldn't have enough time to do a pump fake play. Harrington (I think...) said he likes to see CB take a chance to jump a route and play aggressive and didn't fault him too badly for it... Unless I remember that completely wrong.
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Tatanka
09-05-2013, 04:00 AM
I think both Heagle and Wiiliams TD plays NDSU was blitzing so they probably were thinking that Waters wouldn't have enough time to do a pump fake play. Harrington (I think...) said he likes to see CB take a chance to jump a route and play aggressive and didn't fault him too badly for it... Unless I remember that completely wrong.

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I believe you are correct. Both times the receivers had time for a double move and the bison d was a split second away from waters.





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ndsubison1
09-05-2013, 07:12 AM
This is looking like a deep CB class and I'd be very surprised if Marcus goes before the middle of the 3rd rd. I really believe CB is the hardest position to
play and Marcus is the best CB I have ever seen at NDSU (with apologies to Tyrone and a few others).

very deep. roby at ohio state (watch video of him, very similar to MWill but a lil better. funny thing is he is also #1), purifoy & roberson-florida, oregon corner, everett A&M, also a lot of good corners in the Big XII